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 Author Thread: Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform
Posted: 11/24/2009 6:15:12 AM

Amendments " bribes" have been made to bills for years this is the way business is done it's is and has been the nornmal way of doing business, why are you concerned now or have you always been concerned?


Always.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 112 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/24/2009 3:50:35 AM
No personal attack intended, Earl. It is merely an observation, not necesarily of people on these forum, but in general.

Cult has several definitions, and I believe this one fits my use of the term:


a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.



I do not blindly follow anyone and take personal offence at being included in any cult, I was suspended for 28 days for less then your personal attack on me


You were not "included in any cult" a cult has several definitions other than what you are limiting it too. Again, it was not a personal attack, reread the post, apply the above definition. Example being, if I join the Rolling Stones fan club and we all meet somewhere and discuss the band in a positive light, argue that they can do no wrong (when obviously they have made many misteps), and generally accept no criticism of them as being valid, we are by definition a cult of followers.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform
Posted: 11/24/2009 3:34:49 AM

So its a bribe if a legal representative of the people looks for compensation for his/her state but it's not a bribe if lobbyist buy a representatives vote?


And I stated that where exacty? Yeah, it's a bribe, but it's not tax dollars doing it. Not much better, but still.......
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform
Posted: 11/24/2009 3:22:37 AM

It's a bribe when it is spending done in someone elses district. Its just your share of the federal pie when its done in yours.


When you hold out a vote to get money, it's a bribe no matter what state it is. It's only those who benefit in the given state that try to call it a piece of the pie.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 110 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/24/2009 3:10:31 AM

Guess the only thing that has changed under President Obama's Administration is that they are more honest then previous administrations about reporting the numbers of americans unemployed


I think the only thing that has changed under Obama's administration is his cult of followers blind devotion to him when he has clearly shown incompetence and a staunch willingness to continue politics as usual while during his campaign he promised anything and everything but that.

The administration changed the numbers because they got caught lying on their stats, nothing more, nothing less.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 38 (view)
 
New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death.
Posted: 11/22/2009 6:09:57 PM

He who sows the winds,.........


Har, har. C'mon tranquillo, why is it the outrage that is being spewed over a stupid biblical quote or praying to "God" for someone to die doesn't seem to carry over toward someone's verbal threat to physically murder someone. The libs get all up in arms over wishing or praying to a God who many don't even believe in (and even if he does exist, he doesn't seem to involve himself in American politics very often), but death threats get brushed off? Liberal flawed thinking reaches a new low.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/22/2009 5:48:39 PM

Oh I see


Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but in the posts previous to the one where you made the above statement, you were making an apples to oranges comparison. The two areas were you claim jobs "saved or created" have nothing to do with the stimulus bill, no matter how you try to paint it, and those were extensions of the previous adminstrations doing. I didn't agree with them then and I don't agree with them now. See, I live in an area that is becoming completely destitute because GM did close it's plant here. A truck plant that employed basically the whole town that sprang around it over the years. So possibly overall the auto bailout did save some jobs, but obviously didn't here. But I guess all the 53 year old men working at Rally's, McDonald's, and Sonic are considered saved jobs by this administration. Sorry if I don't agree. I doubt they do either.

And the real truth will be weather the few "saved" jobs for the automakers last, now that the clunkers program is over. I've never gotten so many letters from dealers basically begging me to buy a new car in my life. Their lots are full of cars, but not buyers.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 82 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/22/2009 4:39:58 PM

I see millions of jobs saved,are you blind,Millions and millions would be unemployed had the banking industry gone bust and the major Car manufacturers gone out of business.


Only one problem. Neither of those were the stimulus bill. Those were separate bailouts that cost even more money. We're talking about jobs created or saved by the stimulus bill.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 35 (view)
 
New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death.
Posted: 11/22/2009 4:04:50 PM

And MyFOXPhoenix reported that the sermon, which has drawn widespread attention, led to death threats against the pastor.


Looks to me as if the "right wing religious zealots" aren't the only ones with death on their minds. I think there is a difference between wishing it and threatening it.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Lou Dobbs quit because of left wing hatred.
Posted: 11/21/2009 8:50:46 AM
Yeah, as you scroll down toward the bottom, in a section called "Faces and Places". Not at the top in "Most Popular Stories".

Hey, they gotta do something to keep the libs coming back, right? You can't be number one all the time without a little bone throwing here and there.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/21/2009 8:42:04 AM

Basically, you are telling me what I am saying, instead of asking for clarification, and you are wrong.


Actually, my intention was to put a question mark at the end of that sentence, and I goofed. My apologies.


Nowhere in anything I've posted have I said that Obama will never have to accept responsibility for 'detrimental contributions'.


No, but the insinuation was there and open to debate.


My point--which I thought was rather obvious--is that those who disparage Obama are hypocrites if they are the same people who excused Bush by saying, 'He didn't have the correct information.' 'His lie was inadvertent.'


But nonetheless a lie, right? As was Bush's. And Bush has been no given no slack on the matter, not even 5 years later, so why should Obama? I would really like to see a sensible reason why he should be given any.


Saying that Obama lied about the numbers that the states sent to him, while at the same time excusing Bush for the WMD boner is hypocritical.


I have never given Bush free passes, I disagreed with a lot of what he did, and I have never given him one in the above instance either. But I also didn't see every move Bush making digging us deeper in a hole. He may have created the hole, but he did it with the help of a democratic majority House and Senate, to which he played appeaser, and that same basic group of people with the help of Obama have taken that hole, and are proceeeding to turn it into a crater of massive proportions.


Got it?


Oooh, how vicious. Tsk tsk. It's just a friendly little discussion we're having here, right?
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Lou Dobbs quit because of left wing hatred.
Posted: 11/21/2009 7:59:35 AM
From the lib bible:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/fox-news-dominates-3q-200_n_304260.html

and looking around the HuffPo site, I noticed one of the most popular stories on it was titled "Megan Fox wears underwear and lifts her leg above her head." I bet there is some real journalistic integrity going on there. I kinda see why Lou wanted out of left wing news. Talk about equating yourself with the National Enquirer.

But getting the highest ratings, across the board, in every time slot, to every age group? Yeah, real polarizing. I guess the next spin will be only right wing religious zealots watch the cable news stations.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 50 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 7:47:59 PM

As long as lies are spread about Obama, as long as you continue to post flawed disinformation as truth, as long as everything Obama inherited is blamed on Obama, we are going to continue to stink up the room with the rotting corpse of George W. Bush, and we will continue to fling his foul defecation back onto your side of the yard.



So basically you are saying, Obama will never have to accept responsibility for any detrimental contributions to any part of the countries woes. That's rich.

But, I'll bet if somehow all the ills of our country were to magically disappear tomorrow he'd take full credit and the dems would give it to him even though "he couldn't possibly have had time to fix it all".
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 6:10:09 PM

From and outsiders perspective I would say Obama is far better than Bush, especially the job he is doing repairing the reasons why most of the world hates America.


Wonderful, we are loved by most of the world, yet we're all facing unemployment. Now I feel so much better. Obama better stop worrying about how the rest of the world feels and start worrying about how the citizens who voted for him feels. When 20% of our population is unemployed, I can pretty much assure you they aren't going to give a rat's patootie what the world thinks.

I think when America gets back on it's feet we should tell the rest of the "world that
hates us" to go find aid elsewhere.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/20/2009 4:18:04 AM

He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006. That number assumes illegal immigrants are 30% less productive than other workers.

"If anything we need more immigrants coming into the country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring," he said.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm


First look at the date of this article. What was unemplyment at then? I think the picture might be a little different now that unemployment is 10.2 (probably higher). But let's asume for a minute it isn't. Does anyone else think maybe a few American citizens might be able to do a few of the jobs making up this percentage of GDP?

With unemployment at 10.2 does anyone else think we need more illegal (they always seem to forget that word) immigrants coming into the country? I think $428 billion might help our situation a bit (as long as Obama and the dems keep their Midas in reverse hands off of it). But I seriously doubt there is anything near that amount being contributed by illegals, then or (especially) now. To the U.S.A. anyway.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Actress Heather Graham star of PoliticalAction Campaign
Posted: 11/18/2009 3:48:55 PM
Back on topic, I heard they were trying to get a big name singer to do a theme song for it, but the idea was scrapped when they all refused to sing "mmmm--mmmm Barrack Hussein Obama".
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 385 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/18/2009 3:39:40 PM

Someone once told me that when the president is out of town his polls usually stabilize or go up. This was supposed to be due to him not being in DC and/or being in the American eye so much.


It's because he isn't sitting behind a desk signing our tax dollars away. Although BIden's motorcade is trying to make up for the lack of spending. They should make announcements of departure so the public can get off the roads.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 383 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/18/2009 3:18:07 PM

Quite frankly I think its refreshing to see him out of that 50 to 55% range he has been stuck in for months on end


You should change your name to "I'm ever the optimist". You should know I care little about polls by my lack of posts in this thread, but to see one like this is amusing. Qunnipiac pollers ARE probably slitting their wrists over this. What number does it have to get to before you start to admit maybe this guy isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread? 40? 30? 20? Or will you still be making excuses and denials then?
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Actress Heather Graham star of PoliticalAction Campaign
Posted: 11/18/2009 3:10:04 PM

the rebate checks during the Bush administration where expressly for the purpose of economic stimulus


Hey, be fair now, Obama is sending out checks too, but you had to help get him elected to get those.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 381 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/18/2009 2:38:21 PM
*shock, horror*

The new Quinnipiac poll says:

November 18, 2009 - Obama Approval Dips Below 50% For First Time, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds;



http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1397


Aren't they supposed to be in the tank for Obama?
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Obama Warns About Double Dip Recession
Posted: 11/18/2009 2:21:52 PM

Sure. It's a lot better than last year.


You CANNOT be saying this with a straight face. This is utter denial of the facts.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/17/2009 8:28:19 PM

Which indicators are you referencing?


The only ones I can go on. His own words. In discussions with Mexican President Felipe Calderon this past April. In speechs made after the Joe Wilson debacle a month or so ago. He isn't that secretive about his intentions.



Welcome back.


Thanks. I never really left, just seem to be a few more people that see things the way I do here these days, so no need to overstate the cases being made.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/17/2009 7:30:58 PM

BTW do you know what President Bush wanted to do about the 12,000,000 illegal immigrants? I wonder how 12,000,000 jobs would look in our economy about now


What does O-holy one want to do? Give them amnesty from all indicators. Just what we need and perfect timing as usual.

Nice try at deflecting attention away from another of the Obama administration lies though.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 67 (view)
 
P.P.& Rapists
Posted: 11/14/2009 12:22:45 PM

* 30-40% of victims are abused by a family member.
* Another 50% are abused by someone outside of the family whom they know and trust.
* Approximately 40% are abused by older or larger children whom they know.
* Therefore, only 10% are abused by strangers.



Okay, anyone else see some flaws here? How can there be 120-130% of abuse victims? Or are the 40% abused by other (older & larger) children included in that 50% stat given above it? I doubt that is true is so. Somebody is making s**t up.


OT:

I say we shouldn't give 'em the death penalty either. They should be put in a cell with a big burly guy (or 3) and given exactly the same treatment they gave to the kids they abused. All day every day. Until they take their own lives.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Obama wants his war options changed
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:12:10 PM

. . . and made us a debtor country to China. . . and ruined the economy. .


And Obama has already doubled anything Bush did in less than a year. But somehow it's okay when he does it.


As far as the Afghanistan war goes, I thought he was all for this war before he suddenly turned against it. I guess when no channels are broadcasting running death tolls and bi-hourly reports of the horrific travesties befalling our troops, he can take as much time as he wants to decide what to do.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 341 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/10/2009 9:05:50 PM
From the same tpmdc article:


The last time the GOP was this bad in CNN's polling was in December 1998, in the heat of the impeachment battles, when they were at 31%-57%.



And what happened in 2000? Republicans came back and trounced the dems across the board.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
WHY NOT THE TRUTH ?????
Posted: 11/10/2009 8:23:50 PM

liars should be removed


Then why aren't you screaming for Obama to be removed? According to politifact he has quite a few more lies than the guy you are chastising in this thread.

Or does Obama get a free pass on lying like he does everything else?
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Another Joe To Be Proud Of - Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:58:42 PM

Pretty important words there.


Agreed. Then why were 40 on your side worried about it? If you read the whole piece, which was written around 3 hours ago it emphatically states that it was 40 democrats that were the problem. Republicans were and still are going to vote no.

I am not anti-abortion but I am definetly anti-paying for someone else's abortion unless it's a matter of life and death. So I see it as a good thing.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Another Joe To Be Proud Of - Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:02:25 PM

P.S. those sneaky Republicans are trying to shove in an anti-abortion amendment into the bill right before the vote.


Really? Why? So they can ensure even more dems vote to pass it?

From the AP:


As originally written, the measure would have required insurers to separate public and private money, so that only private funds could be used for elective abortions. Abortion opponents were concerned that such a policy would effectively expand the government's role in improving access to abortion, and as many as 40 Democrats threatened to withhold support from the health care bill unless changes were made.


Looks like its some "shameful" dems that are causing this little hold-up. Republicans are voting no anyways.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 145 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:08:21 PM

I wonder how much health care that could pay for?


A bunch if the dems would chill out with that stupid healthcare "reform" bill they want to control people with. With it, about 5 years tops, I'd be willing to bet (figure they say a billion for 10 years, so knowing how faulty their math skills are, and the fact that 9000 pages of costly amendments will somehow get attached).
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 57 (view)
 
Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option
Posted: 11/3/2009 7:02:42 PM

If I remember correctly you said you were an independant? Hvw you now changed parties?


I'm not registered as a member of any political party, but I align more closely with and vote more often for republicans because at this point in time a vote for an independant is a wasted vote. But I certainly wouldn't vote for a republican with the ideology of DeDe Scozzafava. That would be like voting for a democrat. A very liberal democrat.
She is a RINO, a wolf in sheep's clothing. She'd pull an Arlen Spectre quicker than Arlen did.


Good then that should give lots of people plenty of time to read it and eliminate some of that crying about having the bill jammed down their throats


And give more people time to come to senses and see what an abomination this pile of paper really is. If getting people medical insurance is really the true point of all of this, let them raise the poverty level, remove all the conditions and stipulations and let those people get on the insurance that exists already. If reform is needed, reform what already exists----Obama now says it can be done in conjunction with the bills, so do it with what already exists. Quit messing with people who don't want their present situation threatened. Taxing those barely making it who are not able to afford insurance is ridiculous. Forcing people to buy insurance or be taxed is wrong. Forcing small businesses to offer HC is going to impede any growth in the economy.

The solutions are there, but this administration refuses to see it. They want control, plain and simple and will settle for nothing less. There are easier ways of getting the 30-45 million uninsured health care without jeopardizing the 280 milion or so who already have it. And creating needless burdens for the countless others who don't want it (weather democrats think it's their duty to impose it or not).
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 53 (view)
 
Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option
Posted: 11/3/2009 5:55:01 PM

What republican party? They are booting out their own party members to pull in supposedly independants


Are you talking about DeDe? She was about as much of a republican as you Earl. Notice who she endorsed when she dropped out of the race to avoid embarrassment? I (and many others) would vote for a true conservative independent over a RINO anyday. What a candidate stands for is more important to me than what letter follows their name.


I think you will eventually get the message when the health care bill passes


They'd better get crackin' then. Reid has doubts it will be passed this year.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 124 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:58:51 AM

You may not like it, but the people DID speak. And they don't agree with you.


Wow, you are speaking for a lot of people because according to your numbers about 60 million (59,948,240 to be exact) do agree with me. And from what I understand that number is growing every time Obama makes a move or opens his mouth. Let's just say I'm not real worried.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 122 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:59:09 PM

Maybe because a huge majority of Americans voted for this president




Not really. In fact just a little over half of the voters voted voted for this president. Let's not stretch it. McCain didn't even try to run a campaign, didn't have near the money Obama had, didn't get a prime time pre-election special on tv, and still got almost half the vote. Imagine what is going to happen when we get a real candidate in there, not one set up to lose. The "enemies of America" will rise again!!
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 9 (view)
 
No trick: 2,000 kids knock on White House door
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:29:52 AM

This story just shows how evil those Socialist Obama's are! How dare they hand out Tax Payer funds in the form of FREE candy! Take a stand against Universal Halloween Care! I wonder how many of those kids who got FREE candy were here illegally? Did they check their green cards??? I'll bet they didn't! This is Communism amuck!


The joke goes, Halloween must have been invented by liberals. Who else would come up with a ritual where you knock on a strangers door asking for free stuff?
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:24:50 AM

All the secession talk is just forfeiting the game when your team is down a few points.


I think both a yes and no can be given to the above statement. I think it depends on how great the divide really is between the two parties. Is it getting to be enough that the differences cannot ever be agreed upon? If so there may be a legitimate cause to look at the factors and weigh them.

An example:
From my point of view, it seems one party wants us to head toward more socialism because we are one of the few (first world) countries that has not done so, yet I truly believe that is the very reason we have remained the superpower we are. Is there a compromise that can be reached on such a proposition? To me it seems to be a very divisive issue.

Is the above a factor that could ultimately cause a civil war? That, I don't know. But coupled with other things it may contribute.

As far as forfeiting the game when down a few points, we'd have to assess how far those on the losing team feel they are down, if there is a chance of a comeback under the current "coach", or if bringing in a new "coach" would be able to bring the game back to a level playing field. All this remains to be seen.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with spliting the country into two new nations, I think that way everyone could have exactly what they want and the continuous arguements would go the way of the horse and carraige. I doubt it would happen peacefully even though information I have researched lately has brought to light a few astounding revelations that make me think it could work much more easily than most people think.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
No trick: 2,000 kids knock on White House door
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:01:02 AM

but it is really Michelle Obama who has reached out to the military families.


Hell, Barrack can't get props for anything around here can he?



Seriously, it was a nice gesture from the first family. Shaka zulu (or whatever the OP said) out to BHO.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Mother relinquishes all rights to her son because she can't afford his healthcare
Posted: 10/21/2009 7:23:48 AM

No it doesnt make sense to a country that has an ideology based on "I got mine, you get yours". And the vast majority of those that have that mentality never seem to understand that luck and where they come from often plays a hand in the fact that they have theirs.....


Or possibly if we weren't paying for 12-22 million illegal aliens, plus all the anchor babies we could find a way to offer health care without jeporidizing the "lucky ones".
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 250 (view)
 
We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/18/2009 10:39:15 AM

7. Worried about 47 million uninsured


Wait, I thought Obama said there were 30 million uninsured in the speech he gave.

So we can add "Does not really know how many uninsured he is worried about." to that list to which we could also add:

"Worried about insuring a varible number of uninsured while the rest of the country is worried about the economy."
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 335 (view)
 
President Obama Wins The Nobel Peace Prize!
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:25:24 AM

Ready4 you mean like since 2000 when we got an illegitimate moron was given our highest office,


I don't know, I really don't see how Obama is doing any better, but I agree Bush was far from good. Especially after he became a RINO in 2006.


and now where we can't get anything that would actually benefit the country because of a vocal group of half-wits who believe the GOP actually cares about anything other then inflating their pockets?


Except the "non-vocal" (yeah, right--try shutting a lib up!) group of "half wits" can't seem to explain logically to the other side how any of this stuff is going to be paid for. AND seem to be doing a pretty good job of getting it rammed right on through regardless of how the MAJORITY of "half-wits" feel about it.

Back anyway to the NPP, Obama gets an award, that the MAJORITY of the voting committee has issues with, and he doesn't think he deserves, but accepts it, even though those in his own party also seem to have issues with it (the fact that republicans have issues with it is a non-issue--they'd have issues with him getting even IF he deserved it). I think it's kind of symbolic in a way. The socialists think you should be given things for doing nothing. So here's an award for doing nothing. Congratulations BHO, you earned every bit of the nothing this award represents.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 332 (view)
 
President Obama Wins The Nobel Peace Prize!
Posted: 10/15/2009 9:28:04 AM

If those objecting really didn't want OBAMA to get the award, why would they then vote for him to get it?


Maybe they have a process like our current one where even though the majority doesn't want something it gets rammed down their throats anyway.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 120 (view)
 
And the endoctrinization begins.........
Posted: 10/13/2009 1:31:43 PM

Now you are very upset, I see. Well, I recommend that you take a break, think it over, and come back when you are ready to engage in discussion without being controlled by counterproductive emotions. Maybe play a couple of Barry Manilow songs, and start feeling the love.


Not upset at all, just realised any discussion would be pointless. You aren't going to see my point and I am not going to see yours. I say we give up. I answer questions, you say I don't. I ask questions, I don't get answers. It's just useless--it's frustration not anger. It's the realization throughout all the threads here--if Obama is for it--so are you, if he's against, so are you, and if his mind changes tomorrow--so will yours.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 117 (view)
 
And the endoctrinization begins.........
Posted: 10/13/2009 11:18:49 AM

So, your position is that singing songs and having fun will ruin a child for life, but being exposed to a group of angry protestors is A-OK?


Now you've got it. Why was it so hard to grasp?


No.

Singing songs and having fun is one thing. Planting seeds of a political nature has no place in that. Do you know they were exposed? Did the teachers parade them out to see them at lunch or something? Did they take them to the auditorium afterwards and make them sing anti-Republican protest songs? "MMmm...mmmm..all republicans are bad, because when we get brainwashed they get mad......mmmmm...mmmm. They want our liberal teachers to resign, because they are poisoning our minds....mmmmm...mmmmm". But chances are most of them really can't read what was on their signs, or never even saw them, or knew what they were about, unless one of the protesters had a picture of a naked Obama with his head in the sand.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 114 (view)
 
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Posted: 10/13/2009 10:41:43 AM

Oh, Man! You don't get it!


I get more than you'll ever get.



Either you just tried to evade the hit that he delivered to your post, and went onto a willing defensive posture avoiding to respond to his direct hit by playing dumb, or you just got knocked out because you didn't see it coming, and honestly replied after you stood up somewhat confused. You see, he said: "This thing happened in what, the last 2-3 days? And you have heard all about it and you know no kids were traumatized?." I am sure that if you could have replied to him you would have provided your source.


Inside this load of gibberish I detect a call out. Why would I lie about it? Exactly what good would it do me? And exactly how does a group of people standing across the street from a school traumatize schoolkids? Do you mind explaining that to me? Again, you think singing songs to a political figure on the taxpayers dime is A-O fu**ing kay, but somehow a small group of Republicans standing away from a school protesting is somehow traumatizing kids. What a load of crap. It's pointless to discuss anything with people like you. Your side is so entrenched in the very pablum I don't want to see these kids exposed to, because it warps minds, and not in a good way.
Your side thinks it knows it all, knows what is best for everyone and anyone who disagrees is a mindless racist moron. Party of the people my a$$.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 109 (view)
 
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:32:11 AM

If you can show me an example of liberals protesting outside a kindergarten I would love to see it.


First off, it was a K-2 not just a kindergarten. And again, what differenece does it make. Things that happen at this age isn't going to affect these kids in later life, right Tranquillo?


This thing happened in what, the last 2-3 days? And you have heard all about it and you know no kids were traumatized?


What exactly would traumatize them? Oh look there are people standing around. Republican protests have no violence until democrats get involved, like at the Michigan school where the pro-life protester was murdered, and the DNC where vandalism ran amuck. Only morons run around yelling for peace while causing mayhem (Bill Ayers anyone?) .


Great post!

That is just like a one, two knock-out punch.


See even Mr. Peace-Love-Amnesty himself condones violence. I'm still standing though and you dems are the biggest bunch of hypocrites I've ever seen in my life. You know damn well you can't have it both ways. If a teacher makes kids sing songs to a president, it will all be forgotten, but if a small group of people stand around their school it will traumatise them for life? Get real.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 105 (view)
 
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Posted: 10/12/2009 8:01:39 PM

These people are morons.


Is someone upset that the right is starting to use left wing tactics? I have read several accounts of the thing and no kids were traumatized (and according to all the libs here, what difference does it make, it won't have any effect on them as they get older anyway--right?). I can link to pictures of left wing rallies with posters of George Bush naked with an American flag planted in his a$$ and little 7 and 8 year olds pointing and laughing at it.

There are quite a few morons on your side, too.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 102 (view)
 
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Posted: 10/12/2009 6:05:22 AM

A few isolated incidents is a far cry from an organized attempt to brainwash kids. As has already been pointed out, the same thing was done during Bush' presidency, but you don't seem to have a problem with that.


Maybe you have not been reading this thread. Yes I do have a problem with it. I don't argee with any of it. But the one I saw of Bush was a private church doing it. As much as I think it's wrong, if it is a private institution, I can't really say much, they aren't spending tax dollars to do it.

A few isolated incidents is a few too many.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 99 (view)
 
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Posted: 10/11/2009 9:23:34 PM
You asked me a couple of questions, I answered. Doesn't matter to me if it stays or goes. The topic is played out anyways, the truth is out there, liberal teachers are trying to brainwash kids into being Obamanites, there is no denying it, so it's done. The end.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 97 (view)
 
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Posted: 10/11/2009 8:52:55 PM

Seems like you have a problem with any speed he proceeds at if he is deliberate you call him slow if he seems to move to quickly you call him to fast, you seem to have a consistency problem or is it that you just dislike President Obama and the democratic party so much that you can't see the forest for the trees.


A-ha-ha-ha-ha, no. Obama needs to concentrate on the most important matter, the one the people have told him is the most important problem. He should get on it and do so with whatever speed he can accomplish it at without f**king it up any worse than he already has. The rest of the stuff can follow at any speed he likes because no one will care that he can't get it done if the economy is going again.

I don't dislike Obama, I dislike what he does. I do dislike the far left that keeps proding him to do these foolish things when unemployment keeps rising and the economy is in the tank. I also dislike people who try to cover his every mis-step and the "but Bush..." excuse makers. He's a big boy, let him defend his own actions. Oh, wait, he might have to appoint a czar and form a committee to figure it out.


Your not one of those independants that has just recently turned into a far right republican are you?


How many far right republicans do you know who are pro-choice, pro-legalisation, agnostic bordering on atheist and against large corporations sucking the life out of the small business owners? I would hardly call myself a far right republican. But I am certainly not a pro-slacker, socialist leaning, tax the rich and give it to those who did nothing for it, sit around in a circle singing peace & protest songs hoping for world peace liberal either. There has to be a balance. Obama's biggest fault is his ego won't allow any. See, Obama has all the tools to be a great president except one--common sense. If he could find some or appoint one czar with some he could count on once in a while, maybe he could stop p&ssing off half the country and get something done.
 ready4somethingfun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 95 (view)
 
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Posted: 10/11/2009 3:46:31 PM
Okay the answer to MSG 85 first:

A general in the war is telling Obama that we will lose if he doesn't send troops. What more do you need? Look at the news, even the lib channels are saying it's as bad or worse as it's ever been over there. Obama is no hurry to do so. He must be forming a committee and appointing a czar to look into as seems to be a pattern of his.

As far as an answer to what Bush did in his first 9 months. I honestly don't know. I was making money hand over fist in the dot.com explosion and could have cared less what he did, because everything was good. When the economy is good the best thing a President can do is sit back, shut up and enjoy it. When 9/11 hit, Bush did the best he could which was prevent further attacks. And that's all I ask of a president is to keep us safe, and watch our nation's economy. The later he obviously stopped doing, oh, I don't know, let's say around 2006 when he became a RINO. That's about when the democrat congress took over isn't it?
 
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