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 Author Thread: Are Viruses Alive?
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 61 (view)
 
Are Viruses Alive?
Posted: 11/23/2009 11:12:57 AM
Funny how you think everyone is a moron...looked in the mirror lately.

1 mutated virus = a virus
100 mutations of a virus = a virus

followed by 4 billion years of mutations

let me guess...yep still a virus.

let me guess again...you're American.


There are two types of evolution.

Macro Evolution and Micro Evolution.

Macro Evolution is when an organism changes into something radically different (over a long period of time.) This is more theoretical, and while Macro-Evolution is pretty accepted, it's never been outright observed.

Micro Evolution is small changes brought about by mutations. If a mutation allows for a virus to effectively fight off or counter an organism's immune system, then yes that is evolution.

Also, if a virus can only be spread by contact, but mutates and becomes airborne (something that's quite possible for a virus to do.) Then that is also evolution.

You can't just say that a virus never evolves if 4 billion years later, it's still a virus, and not a donkey.

Cockroaches have been around for a millions of years with no macro changes.


Hi. I'm American. And I'm almost half your age too.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 65 (view)
 
Why is violence for self defence acceptable by law since you can just run away instead?
Posted: 11/23/2009 10:59:38 AM
Where can you run if he is standing three feet in front of you and pointing a revolver your face?

This thread is stupid. Op makes a laundry list of assumptions that don't always apply.

Not to mention that running away doesn't solve anything. If someone is robbing your house, running out of your house isn't going to fix the issue. That's how it is for most things in life.

Running away isn't always the best answer, sometimes it's not even an answer at all. Sometimes, running away will only get you shot in the back.

Taking a stand is the appropriate response sometimes. No, that doesn't necessarily mean shooting a burglar in the face with your grandfather's hunting rifle. But it could. The reason why self defense is legal, well... because, people should have the right to defend themselves. If you don't understand that, then I don't know what to say man.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 492 (view)
 
What do you think about cougars?
Posted: 11/18/2009 10:07:36 AM
Cougars are pretty awesome cats. They're typed as small cats and not big cats, because they cannot roar. They are considered to be closely related to your average house cat.


Mew.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Do guys really want woment to contact them on this site?
Posted: 11/10/2009 9:53:49 AM
Nope, I just put this profile up and these pictures and constructed my profile for your viewing and intellectual pleasure. Please don't contact me, lest we go on a date and end up in a relationship.

You have been forewarned.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 80 (view)
 
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 11/10/2009 9:43:10 AM

This thread still makes no sense to me. Healthcare is open to all. It is a right that is protected even moreso than the right to own a firearm. From whence does this whining originate? From those who want FREE healthcare. That's where. I don't ask you to foot the bill for my ammo each month, don't compare that to asking me to help foot your med bill each month.


So why do politicians get free healthcare, but not the people? I submit all politicians forfeit their free healthcare, and pay for it like the rest of America.

Also, we pay for public health services if you think about it. When you get down to it, police is a form of health care. It's not very healthy to have someone break into your house and shoot you. We collectively pay taxes so that a police force can protect us. We collectively pay taxes for the fire department too. You don't see any politicians campaigning for privatized fire departments.

If I proposed that it should be privatized and people need to pay for plans for police and fire departments, you'd call me nuts, and probably an anarchist or something. Yet when it turns to healthcare, I'm a socialist. Wanting collective protection from criminals and fires is American, but when that hostile thing shifts to being a germ, it's suddenly socialist?
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 71 (view)
 
People With No Conversation Skills
Posted: 11/10/2009 9:26:36 AM
Hello, I am interested in you.

Would you like me to fondle you by the pool on a warm summer afternoon?



It's a work in progress guys, but I think it's pretty romantic, whatcha think
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 122 (view)
 
do young women lust after older men?? or is this a mith??
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:57:08 PM
I wish older women lusted after younger men more...

I'm 25 next week and still single ladies...


anyone?

hello?

:*(
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 64 (view)
 
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:52:35 PM

lol @ thinking you have a right to healthcare. Left wing sheep. You have a right to freedom of speech, and the pursuit of happiness, but you DON'T have a right to healthcare.


Here's the thing that really pisses me off about this debate. These senators callin the shit socialism, blah blah, etc. and so forth.

All those senators have been granted free healthcare for the rest of their lives until they die. What did they do? They were appointed as senators. You could say, but that's their job, it's their job that's giving them free healthcare as a benefit.

But they work for the government, so the government is essentially giving these government officials free healthcare.

I just feel it's kind of F*cked up that these people enjoy free healthcare for the rest of their lives, then are very vocal in being against a government policy to bring it to the people.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 282 (view)
 
ok boys which do u prefer boobs or butts?
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:44:29 PM
A female requires three things in life to impress me, the three Bs.

Brains, Boobs, Butt. Only when they work together in a holy trinity do they fill me with unbridled lust, and bring me to my knees.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Guys, Is It An Urban Myth Or Are Women With Tats Easier Than Women With None?
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:41:15 PM
Women Need "I Win" buttons on them so I don't have to do all this complicated 'socializing' and 'dating' stuff.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 146 (view)
 
Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:36:47 PM
Saying socialism is evil, is kind of like saying capitalism is evil because it supports being greedy, and money is the root of ALL EVIL!
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 91 (view)
 
21 and still a virgin, Any advice?
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:24:14 AM
To be quite honest with you, Stop caring about your virginity.

You let your virginity instill doubt you're already on a path to being a virgin for a whole lot longer (if you don't desire to be one that is.)

It's not a big deal. Seriously, it's not. If everything else about you fits into place with someone, when it comes time to reveal you're a virgin they're only going to be flattered.


I mean, think about it. Unless you just tryin to get laid, what's a girl you've been dating who's really into you gonna do when you get touchy and you come out and say "I'm a virgin"?

You don't have to tell them you're a virgin until things get physical. Then you say "You should know, that I'm a virgin."

She'll either melt like butter, not give a damn, or demand that you get her off first! I think it's a win-win-win situation.

In the severe off chance she's not into you because of that... well, you kind of have to question the motives of a person like that to begin with.

I'd say, who cares. Don't give it much thought.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 9 (view)
 
I need your advice (asking her out)
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:17:50 AM
Well the first thing you need to do is find your genitals. They seem to be missing.

Once you find them, attach them. Make sure to twist until you hear the "clicking" noise.

Use ducttape if necessary.


Once you've got your balls, the rest will fall into place.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Do women get pleasure out of teasing guys?
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:15:10 AM
When she says "hi" with a big warm smile, she's not leading you on. Sorry dude, that's standard practice.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 378 (view)
 
It takes faith to believe in science - I'd say no.
Posted: 10/21/2009 8:02:47 AM
To address the thread title alone -

Faith is the belief in something without proof.


Science is a continued study of... well... everything, and kind of revolves around the collecting of evidence of things. Science doesn't believe in anything, and Scientists only believe in scientific things with solid evidence supporting them. Otherwise, they are nothing more than speculative "THEORIES".

I learned all this in third grade. I iz smrt.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 234 (view)
 
Why are the young people on here?
Posted: 10/7/2009 10:47:50 AM
I'm on PoF looking for a girlfriend... Same as you.


Well... you may be looking for a boyfriend.... or maybe a threesome with a boyfriend and a girlfriend.


Or maybe...

Well.



Hey guys, I'm on a dating site on the internet, obviously I don't put myself out there anywhere else. when a hot girl smiles at me at the grocery store, I WALK AWAY!
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 38 (view)
 
When Sex is on Your Mind..
Posted: 10/6/2009 10:39:17 AM
I just masturbate...

Again.

And Again.


Sometimes I have to masturbate alot. Then it's like... Man... I've just been masturbating all day. then I look at some porn to see some real sex, but then it just gets me thinkin about sex again, so I naturally have to masturbate again.

It's a vicious circle. I probably spend about 200 bucks a month on tissue boxes.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Where to meet men?
Posted: 10/6/2009 9:42:08 AM

I decided that I want to take a break from dating for the next few months. I have just been frustrated with dating lately..esp after casually dating for about a year. However, I am open to meeting new men as friends for now. Any ideas how to go about this? I was thinking of meeting new people by joining a club that suits one of my interests....but I highly doubt there are going to be many men in a book club or astrology group! LOL. And it turns out the computer class I just signed up for is specially discounted at the university because its supposed to be targeted for senior citizens!LOL ( However I can still sign up). I did meet my longterm ex at the gym...but that was unusual....otherwise, I rather not talk to guys at the gym and bother them. Help! I don't really play any sports either.


Hi. I was in college once and discreetly attended book meetings. It was the only place where I could admit to being a fan of Jane Austin without having my man card revoked.

follow your interests, not the men, and the men will come naturally.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 170 (view)
 
Occasional Crying with an Orgasm...
Posted: 10/6/2009 9:25:35 AM
I usually cry after I masturbate. Does that count?
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 49 (view)
 
How to eat on 200 dollars a month? (Frugal)?
Posted: 9/25/2009 12:59:01 PM
Best advice in the universe: Brown rice + Beans(Real beans.)

Healthy, cheap, and you can eat a lot of the stuff. Not to mention it goes well with just about any main dish. Stay away from processed stuff.

I guess beans are more of an acquired taste. But you can do some cool stuff with them. I eat a lot of brown rice and while it's not the most delicious thing ever, it doesn't taste bad.

In conclusion: Eat to Live, don't Live to Eat. You'll save some money, and you'll probably end up healthier too.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 60 (view)
 
Why do people cyber sex
Posted: 9/18/2009 2:21:41 PM

Are you people for real.....Seriously if you have to seek sick sex on a computer you should be behind bars....I would say you have great potential to be a sex offenders.....Like seriously get help ! Were are your morals !


Sorry, I never received the memo that said sex was 'sick' nor did I receive the one that told me that the desire to mate is the first stage to becoming a sex offender.

PS: I don't see how morality has anything to with having sex. Never did, never will. Sex in of itself is not moral or immoral.

PPS: People have no imaginations. Swear to god.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 175 (view)
 
Approaching women in bars
Posted: 9/15/2009 11:02:53 AM

It's funny to see self-claimed nice to give out advice how to pick up girls in bar.

kpooks, how many girls have you picked up in a bar and how many have gone home with you?



Could you be more dense? Going to a bar with the intent of getting laid is just fail. Seriously.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Do women like being approached in public for a date ?
Posted: 9/15/2009 10:58:29 AM
Course they do. I come up to women all the time at the grocery store

"Hey Toots, I'd sure sure like to bag and check out your pork chops, yadig?"
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
I need the EX out of the picture
Posted: 9/2/2009 1:30:34 PM
You need the EX out of the picture eh??? I think I can help your... Ahm... Predicament. I can make him an offer he can't refuse.

My fee is not cheap however. But I think you'll be pleased with the result. Remember.. I'm a professional.


Leave the gun, take the canoli.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 155 (view)
 
Ugly Vaginas? what would stop you from being intimate when you see it
Posted: 8/27/2009 11:42:05 AM
I've heard horror stories from some of my buds about chicks who had dangling things that looked like small tentacles coming out. I don't know if I could handle a vagina with tentacles... But another side of me is thinking...

"Hmmm... Vagina with tentacles... could be fun."
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
How do I read and remember you girls now?
Posted: 8/27/2009 8:21:40 AM
I have a straight male who's added me as a favorite. not because he likes me, but because he likes to track my forum posts. Same with the majority of my favorites, none of them really want to date me, they just like keeping tabs on what I'm up to on pof forums.

Anyone can add a person as a favorite. It just takes a button click. I don't see how a girl can string someone along if all the person did was read her profile and then add her.

Stop being insecure about how much attention she's been getting, because that's what you really mean. You want to see how many people have interest in the person and see how you stack up to the competition. S'ok, I used to do it too. But it doesn't accomplish anything productive. All it does is make you hesitate. That's bad.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
drink-on-keyboard-help?
Posted: 8/26/2009 10:25:46 AM
Any keyboard will do. USB keyboards re generally the ones you want, every PC has USB slots. Not every PC has the other slot.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 192 (view)
 
Micheal Vick
Posted: 8/25/2009 10:37:56 AM

^^^^Don't like dogs?

OK, let me ask you this, do you think those dogs deserved what MV did to them?


Don't like insects? how many insects have you killed in your life time?
How many of them deserved to be squashed?

How many deer deserved to be shot in the face by a hunter?

How many cows deserve to have their throats slit, then hung upside down so their blood is drained from the body?


People kill for three things:

1) We' hungry
2) It's Fun
3) They're pests

For Vick, it was 2)
But I'm sure you've killed for 1) and 3) before. So what? Who cares. I don't think it was cool what Vick did, personally, but I don't give a damn that he is playing football again one way or the other. It's not my place to judge another human being, and I dont think half the people in this thread are in a place to make judgement, either.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Showing That I Care Without Smothering ...
Posted: 8/24/2009 12:04:18 PM
Whenever you feel comfortable. Waiting for the sake of waiting is stupid. it can be something as subtle as touching his hand and making eye contact and saying "I am *very* attracted to you."
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Anyone else not see the value in diamonds and other jewelry?
Posted: 8/24/2009 11:59:35 AM

The same can be said for any object, no?


My vehicle has a very practical value. It gets me to my job, and makes life super easy when you want to go from point A to point B.

I'm rather practical. You can't even *do* anything with diamonds except wear them. Why would you wear a Diamond, to look good or to show off. Two things I have no real stake in.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Showing That I Care Without Smothering ...
Posted: 8/24/2009 11:46:33 AM
I think you're getting ahead of yourself. It's great you're feeling so awesome, just don't lose yourself in expectation and anticipation.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Men? We Like It Gentle
Posted: 8/24/2009 11:44:51 AM


ahahahahahahaha!!! You *kinky kitty!!!!



*fix't.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Showing That I Care Without Smothering ...
Posted: 8/24/2009 11:35:12 AM

Ok ... truth is I think I am really liking this guy ..... *gosh I just want to jump on his bones!!!* ...... But I am not sure if he feels the same?? ...I just don't want to scare him off! lol


It's a risk vs reward. What are you risking? nothing really. You could say
"But I'm risking my chances with him."

Well, not so much. To be honest, if some chick jumped my bones and was enthusiastic, if I liked her to begin with, I'd probably go with it - or tell her she's moving a little too fast but tell her I'm interested. either way it's positive.

If the guy is 'scared' off so to speak, he probably wasn't interested in the first place, and even that's positive. Because now you stop worrying about a lost cause, so you can move on to someone who wants you to jump him.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 53 (view)
 
Men? We Like It Gentle
Posted: 8/24/2009 11:31:00 AM

Often times women don't let a man know that they're not "doing it" right; therefore, the man is thinking he's satisfying a woman. "Doing it"? Licking her.... fingering her.... What I find is men seem don't know the correct way to massage a woman clitoris or finger her (me). We like it soft and gentle for the most part; that is the most stimulating for a woman.... And, we don't wanna be fingered so hard and rough that it takes all the pleasure away.... Licking? Again.... we enjoy it being soft; delicate.... stimulating and arousing.... think of licking an ice cream or a Popsicle; lick us just like that... The way to make that happen is slow it down.... Gentle.... massage not pound away at our body.... Any other women agree or not agree?


This is exactly why it sucks to be a man. So many women out there keep thinkin' "He's doing it wrong, he should know how I like it but he doesn't! hasn't he had sex before?"

I know some women that want it to be rough wild and crazy. Some like it slow, some like it both ways. If you don't say anything, how am I supposed to know that when I've got you bent over a table that you want me to finger your ass if you never tell me.

Sheesh.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Gangster Kittens 50th Profile Revision Version 25.0.1.2.9
Posted: 8/21/2009 12:22:14 PM

Hiya Gangsta!

Took a look, and I happen to like your current profile. It definitely depicts your sense of humor and personality.

Best my friend!



P.S. I like your main picture.


haha thanks. I like yours too. Bringing sexy back I see (but I love all your pics!)

I dont know if you did it intentionally or not but on the forums, your main pic zooms into your arm, and it looks like it's showing the belly of a pregnant woman in a white moo-moo! Then you look at the main pic and it's got this sexy latina chica with her arm on her waist all slender n'stuff.

PS: Stop hitting on me! It'll never work out! (You're allergic to cats!)
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Gangster Kittens 50th Profile Revision Version 25.0.1.2.9
Posted: 8/21/2009 12:02:45 PM
Oh god. I totally didn't want that to sound like that. I didn't mean I'd be willing to drop my friends for a girl, I meant dropping my book i've had my nose dug in or dropping my video games that I like to play for a girl... *runs off to amend profile*
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Wimps vs. Warriors
Posted: 8/21/2009 10:58:17 AM
What if I'm not a warrior? But not a wimp either?

What if I'm a Samurai?

Or a Ninja?

What about Gangster Kittens? :(
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Gangster Kittens 50th Profile Revision Version 25.0.1.2.9
Posted: 8/21/2009 10:56:39 AM
I'll take note of that. I guess I do start off with "I" a bit too much. And I space my stuff out *way* too much on the internet!

I'll try to think of things to say about my dream kitten. But I don't know really what to say without sounding too picky!

Thanks for the advice ( I don't have any outdoor pictures.)
and Bump!
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Gangster Kittens 50th Profile Revision Version 25.0.1.2.9
Posted: 8/21/2009 7:05:22 AM
I've made a few revisions to my profile, some major overhauls, and overall fleshed some parts of it out a little bit. Needz moar review. Help the Deep Space Gangster Kitten find his future girlfriend!

Any insight is great. My feelings cannot be hurt (unless you insult my small penis. it's not *that* small anyway.)
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 23 (view)
 
can a man fake an errection?
Posted: 8/19/2009 8:50:05 PM


Gangsta; this may just get me all hot and bothered! After all it is fake............


Now you're talkin my language babe. <3
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 11 (view)
 
3 days... worth starting something?
Posted: 8/19/2009 2:04:22 PM
It all comes down to

"Do I want to have sex with him?"

I don't know if you want to. Do you? If so, then why not?
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 37 (view)
 
Do women like gay (man on man) porn?
Posted: 8/19/2009 2:01:56 PM
I love gay man on man porn. Oh wait, this was a thread asking if women do... Uh oh...
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 6 (view)
 
can a man fake an errection?
Posted: 8/19/2009 2:00:59 PM

Fake an erection? Oh, this should get some DOOZIES of responses!

I'm going to say NOT!


Would you like to touch my Fake erect penis? Don't worry, it's all Fake anyways so WHY NOT?!
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 28 (view)
 
dirty things to say in bed
Posted: 8/19/2009 1:59:36 PM
"Gee Honey, I was gonna pull out but the phone rang and it startled me." - George Carlin
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 2 (view)
 
can a man fake an errection?
Posted: 8/19/2009 1:56:44 PM
don't you mean "gyrating?"

And no, men can't "fake" erections. If our d*cks are hard, we're thinking naughty things. It probably goes along the lines of imagining you bent over a couch and moaning a symphony of lust.

If by not getting off, then he probably got turned on, but needed some more "oomph" to orgasm, so to speak.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Bi Girls
Posted: 8/19/2009 1:53:23 PM
I think its more of a Fad because chicks know they can pretend to be bi and do lesbian type things without a social stigma attached to it, and they're more comfortable doing them.

When's the last time you saw two guys slam dancing each other on top of a bar to get a rise out of the women? When's the last time you saw two straight guys kissing each other. These are things I've seen a lot of straight women do because generally they're more comfortable doing them without feeingl homosexual, and won't socially bestigmatized (is that even the right word?!! ) for doing it. Not to mention, it gets all the male's attention pretty darn quickly, which I think is the real reason most women do it (attention.)
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 9 (view)
 
is this psycho headquarters?
Posted: 8/19/2009 1:47:39 PM
Btw... It's eccentric, not excentric :D

And...

Psycho headquarters?

Psycho headquarters?

THIS... IS... POF! ~Kicks you into the off-topic forums~

J/K. Psycho headquarters is craigslist. We're Schizo headquarters.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Another think hard--Why have you never been married>?
Posted: 8/19/2009 10:24:27 AM
Because no one woman would ever want to marry a guy like me.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 53 (view)
 
Funniest things said on a profile:
Posted: 8/19/2009 10:20:33 AM
I read a woman's profile on here and the first line was basically "I want to work in a corrections facility with rapists and child molestors. And that's no lie." or something to that effect, I don't remember the actual wording.

So I sent her a message:

"Hey Toots. Just got out of jail after raping my sister. Whatcha think bout yous and I's getting together for somes quality time eh?!"

She responded about how she enjoyed my reaction to her profile. It was obviously not a serious line in her profile, but we had some fun with it. too bad she wasn't serious about getting together sometime either, though. :*(

She was cute.
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Oprah's trip to the Bunny Ranch
Posted: 8/18/2009 12:13:46 PM
George Carlin said it best: "Why is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?"


"Selling is Legal; F*cking is legal... WHY ISN'T SELLING F*CKING LEGAL?!"

I could go outside and put up a sign that says "Free Sex inside." And I could have sex with 1000 random people a day, and it'd be legal. As soon as I start charging though, then it's illegal.
 
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