I expected something like that. "Repeatedly" can be twice--as I say, it's only happened on a handful of occasions. What I'm getting at is that nothing had even suggested anything was wrong beforehand. You don't seem to want to believe that people who do the kind of thing I mentioned know how to hide it. We're not clairvoyants, and it's not reasonable to expect anyone to be able to read someone else's mind--especially someone they haven't even met.

But I'm not so sure that ambushing men isn't just another way of shutting them out.

You're denying that there are angry, vengeful women who purposely set guys up to kick them in the crotch.

OK, got it. The same thing applies to both men and women. And the angry or bitter person only hurts themselves. Reverse things, then, and consider a man who's angry and bitter at his ex, or whoever, and wants to take it out on women in general. With a little practice, he can do that by dating them and acting charming until they have sex--and then dumping them.

By not making the initial proactive first move, the responsibility for the "wrong decision" is eliminated.

much of the problem with american politics today is that the members of each party, voters and leaders alike, spend more time vilifying the oposition than coming up with thought provoking concepts for improving our country. wearing a little thin on me.

And your claim that most men ONLY dress up because they think they have to is ridiculous.

She just does the things a woman who really wanted men to approach her would do, and when a man does approach, she says and does whatever she thinks will hurt...The result is that the great majority of women who really ARE sincere about wanting to meet guys pay the price for the women who act that way, but aren't.

At least with Jack, it seems a lot more innocent.

so i a tired of liars and fakes...

PW your picture alone makes me want to buy gold and bury it in the backyard.

Case in point: cars for clunkers, imagine a $30,000 car. Input one old car + $4,500 incentive + $25,500 in new loan = sale of $30,000 car.

I think the government SHOULD give us breaks when we do the right thing.

If the government is willing to pick up the tab - I'll take the free lunch - I don't really care if it's tofu - it's free.

And yes, overall, as much as she can be overbearing, I love her and her opinions. But they are just that. At this point in my life, I make my own. Good or bad...

I think my situation might have been much like yours in that I could not have done much to change that he no longer wanted to be a suburban husband and father. He wanted the single life, to feel young again, and to not have so many responsibilites. He too is still doing the same thing, ten years later.

What kind of person uses laws to tell them the difference between right and wrong?

You don't know what it's like living here in the jungle with Jane.....

At least you're honest about not giving it your all....

Divorce is crippling to begin with...but you do learn, you heal and you grow stronger.