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Thread: Oprah show ending - Arrogant to the end.
lateef7842
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Oprah show ending - Arrogant to the end.
Posted:
11/24/2009 1:27:11 PM
Quite simply ...... The Oprah show is just like Jerry Springer ..... Dr. Phil ...... Dr. Oz ...... or any other talk show that is on at that time of the day ........ cheap non-intellectual shows! .... as ome posters have already said. Who has time for this? Check out the times that they are on .......... that is the target audience! Wow!
There are much better intellectual venues to get information that is more meaningful than what she shows on her show. What came first ... the chicken or the egg .... what came first Oprah manipulating the public viewers ....... or the public viewers wanting what Oprah gives?
The fact that there are more pro-Oprah posters here also says something about the POFers here ... this is not necessarily a reflection of the whole North American public.
... this thread has been an interesting and amusing read though!
I particularly like the posts talking about "jealousy" , etc. ..... quite a simple analysis of what is being discussed here ....... and, as another poster said ...... a product of the Oprah mentality!
The fact that she is famous and rich ..... is that she knows how to target a certain proportion of the North American audience. All successful celebrities and Business people have done this. That is the name of business.
Some of you discuss how "good" she is verus how "evil" she is ....... Most "evil" people who have become successful often have some "good" in them. It is not a black and white world (... oops ... sorry for that comment) ...... hopefully you know what is meant here ..... Nothing is so simple as to have only two sides to it.
I simply won't waste my time on Opray, Dr. Phil, Jerry Springer, Dr. Oz or any such show. It is sensationized melo-drama! ... a good avenue for manipulation and brain washing, that is for sure. .... target the crowd mentality ........ what most dictators of the world use! I hate to say it, but as some will say ..... target the "simpletons".
Wow, I'm not a big fan of Oprah or any talk show for that matter. But I wouldn't call people who like that sort of thing, "simpletons."
Brain washing? Manipulation? ... Riiight. How is the view from up there on Mount Olympus?
Lateef
lateef7842
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Oprah show ending - Arrogant to the end.
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11/23/2009 11:15:08 PM
The bottom line for some is that she is Liberal, rich and has a lot of influence. Influence that she used to get Obama elected (arguably). That is reason enough for some to not like her. However, if she were conservative and used her public voice to endorse conservative ideals, she would be their darling. None of them would complain about her having that much power and not being an elected official.
And as far as her being arrogant, who cares. To come from where she came from and to do what she did, in what was previously an all boys club, is nothing short of incredible. If anyone deserves to be arrogant, if anyone has earned the right to be arrogant, it is Oprah.
Do you think it matters to all of the people she's helped along the way whether she did so out of her own self importance or out of pure altruism? No, it doesn't. What really matters is that she did something to make peoples lives better. And she's done so (and justly so) on a large scale. To whom much is given, much is expected. 50 million a year is considered, "much" by most accounts.
Lastly, all that money she makes and you never hear about her complaining about taxes. She just keeps doing what she's doing and making more money every year. Just thought I'd throw that in for all of those people who think paying your fair share of taxes will stop businesses (and yes, Oprah is a business) from prospering. She's lunching her own TV network, in a recession I might add. Think of all the people she is employing.
A person couldn't do what she's done without the arrogance, dare I say it; audacity (I love using that word because it drives conservatives nuts since the election) to believe you can do anything you want to. Heck, some of you should try a little of that sometime. Maybe you'll end up being an employer instead of an employee. ...lol
Lateef
lateef7842
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Men don't like TALL women
Posted:
11/20/2009 3:01:01 PM
Men who don't date tall women have one word in common with women who don't date short men;
insecure.
Lateef
lateef7842
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Too small for a condom !?! Then What???
Posted:
11/18/2009 4:45:58 PM
After reading the responses on this thread, I will never feel bad about dropping a girl for not meeting my physical requirements again. ...lol
No, I'm just kidding. But some of you guys are brutal. ...lol
Lateef
lateef7842
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Is the number of acceptable places to approach women offline shrinking?
Posted:
11/17/2009 2:37:18 PM
I've noticed this, too. But, I just don't care. I'll approach a woman I find attractive anywhere, anytime, and anyplace (except funerals and things like that ...lol). If she's so uptight that she gets offended, that's her problem. Not mine.
My ex would get guys hitting on her all of time. And she would always get offended because a man would talk to her and try to get her number. One day I reminded her that I was one of those guys, who started talking to her out of the blue, with a clear goal of obtaining her phone number. What was her reply? "Yeah, but I thought you were cute."
Moral of the story; it's okay to approach any woman, anywhere, if she thinks you're attractive. If she doesn't then you are being a pathetic tool who should never have bothered her. ...lol Give me a break.
Bottom line is if you see someone you like, you talk to her. Be casual about it. Keep things lite and when the conversation starts to wind down, you ask if you could call her. Sure, you'll get shot down at times. Hell, you may get shot down most of the time. But, to paraphrase that Doritos ad from a few years back, "Ask out as many girls as you want. There will always be more."
Lateef
lateef7842
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Emails with EX
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11/16/2009 10:24:33 PM
Being on friendly terms with an ex is one thing. Nothing wrong with that. But communicating two or three times a day? Not good. Not good at all.
Dump her. If she's not messing around with him now, she will be soon. Either that or she's very immature, does not respect you, has issues setting boundaries or all of the above.
Trust me on this. She's not a teenager. This is how fickle girls act. And, women who behave in this manner should be avoided like H1N1.
You have been warned.
Lateef
lateef7842
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MATCH.com V p.o.f
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11/14/2009 5:40:36 PM
Lateef.... what site you are on means nothing. I was on Match... got sick of their exhorbitant fees and decided to come on here. I am the same person. And I noticed a lot of the same guys on there were on here anyway.
Point is... for a guy... why pay for rejection when you can get it here for free? LOL.
@tuffluv1984
Whether here or on Match, my rate of rejection is about the same. And, I do alright. It's just the women I meet here seem to be more of the "girls you date" type. Whereas, the women I meet on Match are more of the "girlfriend" material type.
Like I said, it may be just me and what I attract. Also, it may be different for you.
@PRETTYANDUNIQUE
Exactly! If a girl is still into partying, but I'm looking for something more serious, then all we can do is date. I'm not going to waste her time and mine trying to squeeze orange juice out of a an apple. She and I can be friends and hang out from time to time, but she's not what I want for something serious.
Lateef
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Where can I get some good Bar b que?
Posted:
11/14/2009 5:29:40 PM
@JackDiamond
Jack, hows it going? Good to see you are still here giving us liberals hell. ...lol You too Matchlite. Both of you guys keep me on my toes. I'm doing well. I'll be doing a lot better once I get a nice, juicy, dripping with bar b que sauce, chicken leg in my mouth. ...lol
@Natasha Fatale
Detroit isn't that bad. I lived in that area most of my life and it's no worse than any large city. It has it's good places and it's not so good ones. But, for the taste of some good 'ole soul food style que, I'll brave the "hood" any day. ...lol
@everyone else
Thanks for all the recommendations. I'll be checking them out. My taste buds and stomach send their thanks also. ...lol
Lateef
lateef7842
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Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted:
11/14/2009 5:11:22 PM
Due to the political correctness we have in our nation this man is just considered a "alleged shooter", or "shooter'.
It has nothing to do with political correctness. In America, every citizen is presumed innocent until proven guilty or they confess to their crime(s).
Thusly, we refer to someone suspected of a crime as "alleged." It doesn't matter if that person shot someone right in front of us. They are still presumed innocent until they've had their day in court or confess.
Lastly, any reporter worth his, or her, salt will refer to a suspect in a crime as "alleged" because they are not supposed to have an opinion. That's not political correctness. It's called professional journalism.
I thought you are supposed to be proud of your due process?
Doesnt everyone get a fair trial?
@frankster_p
The right wing is only happy with due process when it helps their agenda. They forget that we can't pick and choose who to give due process to. Either it works for all of us or it works for none of us.
Lateef
lateef7842
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MATCH.com V p.o.f
Posted:
11/14/2009 2:46:32 PM
I will be honest. And, I'm not trying to knock anyone on POF because I've met some pretty cool people here. Plus, because of the forums, POF is a lot more fun when I want to waste some time.
But, I found that I meet a better class of woman on Match than I've met on POF. Understand, that's as a whole and not on an individual basis. I'm just saying that I've met more of the kinds of women that I'd actually see myself with in the long term on Match. Most of the women I've met on there have themselves together. Here, not so much.
I think POF is more suited to dating. While, Match gives me more women I can really be interested in. I hate to say you get what you pay for, but maybe it has something to do with the rate they charge. Maybe, it's just me?
I enjoy both sites, but there is a difference.
Lateef
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Is she too young for me?
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11/10/2009 12:20:39 AM
The only thing I would worry about is what would happen if things went south. In other words, would this damage your working relationship with your client. If it won't, go for it.
You don't need a reason other than it's what you want to do. The only people who'll have problems with it are either jealous they can't do it, or mad because it reminds them their age signifies their diminishing value in the dating world.
Yes, I know that's harsh. But, I get sick of guys getting tore down on these forums because they date younger women. It seems like men always have to apologize for being men and liking what a man likes. She's 22. She's legal. Just don't be so dazzled by her youthful "appeal" that you become her "Sugar Daddy." Keep your wits about you and above all else, have fun.
Lateef
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Ladies, do you get the joke or is it too much?
Posted:
11/4/2009 3:03:23 PM
And I will call your sister for you, but is she cute?
I guess she is. At least my brother in law think so.
All I can say is, "My sister? Eww!" lol!
Lateef
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Where can I get some good Bar b que?
Posted:
11/3/2009 2:53:29 PM
Lucille's Bar-B-Que--great smoked brisket
Signal Hill
Brea
Torrance
Rancho Cucamonga
Rocklin
Tustin
Belmong Shore
Cerritos
Chino Hills
Lake Forest
Temecula
Henderson, NV
Tempe, AZ
I've been to the one in Ontario. It's about the best I've had since I've been here. But, not quite as good as what I'm looking for. Don't get me wrong, it's still good though.
@Pirate
I wish I could. My apartment building won't allow it and I'm not able to use the grill here.
Lateef
lateef7842
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Ladies, do you get the joke or is it too much?
Posted:
11/2/2009 11:47:32 PM
@DenverSky & GQSunset
You are so right about voice inflection. Vocal and visual cues make all the difference.
I don't go into the reason I'm in the chair because it's complicated and not easily explained on a dating site. It's not a big secret. I usually go into it on the first phone call or date.
I put the, " I have a life" part on there because I tend to attract women who want a project. They tend to be very much into taking care of me (a lot more than a woman would a normal man) and it gets kind of creepy. At first I thought it was just me. But, I've talked to other people with disabilities and they've experienced the same things. I know these women mean well. But, I wanted to tactfully stress the point that I don't just sit around. Well, okay, I do sit around. ... lol But, I'm doing things while I'm siting around.
Songwriter is good enough. If she's interested, whether I've had a hit song or a string of flops shouldn't matter. As long as I'm carrying my own weight, she should be cool with that. At least initially.
@majicwonder
"Little Richard 'stache?" ... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! I almost fell out of my chair laughing at that one. Too funny. I don't use #4 as my main pic because it's about 4 years old. I've cut my hair since then and I think I've visibly aged. I hate when people use old pictures of themselves. Then you meet them and they look ten years older or worse. I would not want to do that to anyone . The only reason I have it up at all is because it's the only pic I have with me smiling.
I'll let you use my pic on one condition; you call my sister, pretend you're me and "check in so she doesn't worry." ...lol
@CheshireCatalyst & You go first
Thank you for the compliments. I wasn't trying to go negative. But after taking a step back, I can see how that could come across as negative.
So, I've changed the title. It's still sarcastic, but I think it does away with the misogynist connotations.
Thanks guys. I appreciate your candor.
Lateef
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Ladies, do you get the joke or is it too much?
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11/2/2009 5:59:37 PM
@HouseKitten 86
Thank you. I took your advice. I've said the same thing on several occasions in person with a wink and a smile. And, it has actually gotten me dates from women who've said they weren't interested at first. But, they said it made them feel at ease. One of them I dated for quite a while. I guess this was a case of what may work in person, comes off wrong in text.
@sinlov
Thank you for the compliments. But, the creaking bones when I wake up and the gray in my beard reminds me of every year I've terrorized the earth. ...lol
@ TuffLuv1984
Thanks for your honesty. I would make a wise crack here, but I'll let slide on this one. ...lol
@ Lewis Cruyff
Weird and random. That seems to be the story of my life. ...lol
lateef7842
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Where can I get some good Bar b que?
Posted:
11/2/2009 4:22:52 PM
I live in Van Nuys. I'm originally from MI. And since I've been in LA I can't find any really good Bar B Que.
Can anyone suggest a place where I can get some good, old fashioned, soul food style bar b que? I like the kind with the thick sauce that has a sweetness to it.
Or, am I going to have to go all the way back to Detroit to get what I'm looking for? ...lol
Lateef
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Ladies, do you get the joke or is it too much?
Posted:
11/2/2009 11:34:21 AM
Hi,
I updated my profile and changed the title to something I think is eye catching and funny once you read the first paragraph of my profile.
My question is, is it too much? Do you think women reading my profile will get the joke? I'm not looking to be offensive. But, I do realize that what may funny in person may not translate well in text form.
Thanks in advance for opinions.
Lateef
lateef7842
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Men 35-44, are we in the sweet spot?
Posted:
11/1/2009 9:38:41 PM
I have to be honest. I'm 41 and I find dating easy. But, I'm not having as much fun as I did in my 20's. I think that has more to do with where my life was at the time. I was building an entertainment company and there was a lot of energy around my "click" in those days. We were "those" guys back in the day. Now, I'm interested in something ... more.
However, I find that I have access to more women of various ages at this point in my life. I'm no Clooney, Denzil or Will Smith. Hell, I can't even walk. But, I get approached by women from 19 to 52. So, I think there is something to this, "sweet spot" theory.
Lateef
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Do woman realise how ridiculous they look with pumped up lips?
Posted:
11/1/2009 9:10:09 PM
I love nice full lips. That thin, two strips of bologna that some women have for lips doesn't do much for me.
However, if given the choice between full, fake, collagen injected lips and thin natural lips, I'll take the thin natural kissable kisser every time.
Lateef
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Wanted : A Chemistry drug !
Posted:
11/1/2009 8:31:05 PM
My mother thought my father was a bore when they met. She said he was nice enough, but there was no "fireworks" as she put it. But, she went out with him anyway.
20 years later my father died. 13 years after his death I asked my mother why she never remarried. She said because she couldn't imagine loving another man as much as she loved my father. He ended up being everything she wanted, plus a few things she didn't know she needed, in a man.
I'll let the rest of you insist on chemistry. I'd rather have the maturity to know what true love is and the patience to allow it to grow.
Lateef
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Are there any musicians here selling their CD's and doing well with it?
Posted:
10/29/2009 8:30:49 PM
OK guys, this what I've come up with:
For the short term, I'm not printing up any CD's except for those that I can make on my computer.
I outsource the inserts at a cost of $21 per 100 (glossy paper, color or BW on, both sides).
I can get 100 slim cases at Big Lots for $16 per 100($4 each for a package of 25)
I can get a spindle of 100 blank CDR's for around $16 on the web.
I print what little text I need on the Memorex CD labels myself. Or, I can spend another $21 for 100 labels.
I make 5 or so CD's a night while I'm watching House Hunters (Not that I'm buying, I'm just addicted to that show).
I keep 10 of these CD's with me at all times so I can approach people and ask them to buy one where ever I go. I'm selling these for $5 a piece for a 16 song CD. I've sold 15 so far.
For the long term, I'm building a web site to give my music away. Yes, I said give my music away. This is how it will work:
I'm using my music as a loss leader. People will be able to go to the site and listen to all of the songs whenever they want, in any order they want, for free.
What they'll actually be buying is T-shirts. I'm having a T-shirt designed which I will be selling for $25 (more than I could get for a CD in the best of times). They purchase a shirt and they can download all 16 tracks for free. Plus, they'll get a minimum of 1 free track a month (most of the time 2) to down load for a year. Additionally, at the end of the year, I'll do a raffle. The winner will receive a custom written song just for them or whoever they want me to write it for. So, it's actually more of a subscription service.
Best part is, if I promote it correctly, I don't have to sell a lot to make a decent amount of money. If I can get 1,000 people to join in a year, I will have made around $20,000 after costs (I can get a deal on T-shirts through a buddy.). Not a bad chunk of change.
The key will be promoting this in the right ways. I'm reading more about artists who have done similar things successfully now. This can done.
I'll keep you guys posted on what I find.
Lateef
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Why I won't watch HEROS Anymore...!
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10/29/2009 1:54:21 AM
The second and third seasons weren't very good. The new season is nicely done so far. You should give it another shot. Better writing, better pacing. Plus, they only focus on a couple of characters at a time. Lends itself to good story telling.
Check it out for yourself. And, no. I don't work for NBC ...lol
Lateef
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Holding off on having sex with a women??
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10/25/2009 5:42:14 PM
Most of my life, I was looking for sex by the second or third date. Sometimes, if I was lucky, I might get it on the first date. (Usually, when I had sex on the first date, there was some real chemistry there.) Recently, however, I was in a relationship where I didn't even get a kiss for 7 weeks. I tried to kiss her at the end of our second date, during which we both had fun, but she rebuffed my advance. When she rebuffed my advance, I just assumed that she just wasn't into me. I told her that was okay, I was a big boy, just tell me.... But, she stated that wasn't it.... She just wanted to take it very slow. So, for the first 7 weeks, the most that we did was hold hands. And, we did not have sex for several months.... After about 5 weeks, I was about to break it off. But, one afternoon, I was planning that if that date did not go well, it was over, I was out of there..... Well that afternoon, we got involved in this conversation that went on for about 6 0r 7 hours.... I was hooked and ,ultimately, I fell head over heels in love with her.... I must say that it was the most unique and refreshing experience of my life..... Some of my fondest memories of our relationship were those first 7 weeks when it was so simple and innocent..... Kind of funny how life can throw you curve now and then.....
I've had a very similar experience. The best relationship I ever had was with a woman who made me wait more than a year for sex. Not only was the sex great when we did start having it, she was absolutely no drama to have around. There was a level of trust there that made the relationship easy to be in.
But of course, I was young and fraked it up. Haven't found anything like it before or since. Live and learn.
Lateef
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Are there any musicians here selling their CD's and doing well with it?
Posted:
10/23/2009 11:46:25 PM
@ E Keys
What did you do as far as promotion?
Lateef
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Holding off on having sex with a women??
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10/23/2009 4:16:17 PM
You blew it. Plain and simple. He liked you and was quite content with how things were progressing. No pressure, just letting this happen naturally. He seems like cool, laid back guy. Then you tell him he's a keeper but you're not sure if you want to keep him. So, in the mean time, let's have sex until you figure all this out. ...lol Are you serious? ...lol
With your actions you just told him you'll have sex with someone you're not sure about. If he is a "good guy" you just turned him off. If he has a bit of the "bad boy" in him he'll have sex with you until something better comes along. Why? Because you told him that was an alright to do. Either way, you just told him you're not girlfriend material. Easy sex combined with uncertain behavior sends up all kinds of red flags to most men. A woman can be easy or a woman can be uncertain and be okay. But being both is a definite disqualifier from the girlfriend Olympics. However, you may be in luck. If he is a "sucker" he'll go along with you until you get sick of him being a door mat.
Yes, that may be harsh. But it is reality. You may have just blown what could have been a great relationship for you.
Lateef
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Are there any musicians here selling their CD's and doing well with it?
Posted:
10/22/2009 9:44:34 PM
I'm putting together a CD and I'll be selling it myself. I'm not a performing artist. I am more of a songwriter/producer (Think Quincy Jones, Timbaland, etc ...) and I get singers to come in and sing my songs. So, selling my CD's at shows is pretty much out of the question.
My question is, are any of you out there selling CD's and if you are, how are you doing it and how well is it going?
Lateef
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Question for all of my fellow comic book superhero fans: would a mask really hide your identity?
Posted:
10/20/2009 5:30:39 PM
Yes, I know this may seem juvenile to some. But, those of us who grew up reading comics and still hold them dear to our hearts, have these kinds of discussions all of the time. And, in this time of economic uncertainty, I think a little escapism is a good thing.
With that said, in a real life scenario, would a mask actually hide your identity? Of course something like Spiderman's mask could work. It covers his whole head. But would a mask like the one Batman wears keep people, some of those who know you, from realizing who you are? How about something like the one Green Lantern wears? I don't believe that would work at all.
Think about it. I put that on, or similar style mask (maybe the "domino" style that Robin wears), to fight crime. Wouldn't people go, "Hey, I just got saved by that cripple guy from Plenty Of Fish!"? How could they not know me or be able to identify me in every day life?
What do you guys think?
Lateef
P.S.
No, I do not plan to embark on a career as a masked crime fighter. Furthermore, the ideas and sentiments found in this thread are for entertainment purposes only. Should you don a costume, go out, attempt to thwart evil, and thereby cause your a$$ to be handed to you in a sling, neither I or anyone else commenting here will be held liable. I suggest you contact your therapist and demand your money back!
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eharmony ... Really? I'm a match with a troll?
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10/20/2009 1:16:01 PM
"eharmony ... Really? I'm a match with a troll?" " ... The only guy I'm remotely interested in is 200 miles away. The rest either have no picture, they're shorter than I am or they're uneducated goobers. ..."
Trolls? Goobers? Really? From the negative way you are describing people, that you've never corresponded with, I don't think it's E-Harmony's fault that you aren't receiving better matches.
Water seeks it's on level.
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Conservative Bible Project...reforming that socialist Jesus.
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As far as I can tell, the Bible extolled the virtues of conservativism. It was not extremist about this, but it told many stories about hard work paying off, lazy fools being left out in the cold, etc. I for one don't view it as a "liberalist" work at all. I view it as a well-balanced guide to life, as a whole. There are plenty of instances of charity, grace, and forgiveness in the Bible, but I find precious few, if any, that a moderate would take issue with or call "socialist".
Newsflash; hard work, self sacrifice, not being lazy, etc ... aren't conservative values. They are the building blocks of a successful life regardless of political affiliation.
Step away from the Kool-ade. I guess all those working class Americans, who bust their humps working 40 plus hours a week, and identify themselves as liberal are lazy because they aren't conservative?
You people crack me up. Hard work is no more a conservative ideal than caring for the poor is a liberal notion. This is what we are to do as good Christians and human beings in general. Oh wait, that's right. You're only a good Christian if you're a conservative. And if you're not a Christian, then you really aren't that great of a human being either. Isn't that how you people think? I think con-servatives should stop corrupting Christianity with their greed based, anti working class ideas.
With that said, the very first Christian Church appears to be more socialist than either Liberal or Conservative (by the way, regardless of what the right says, there is a huge difference between Liberalism and socialism). Here's a verse that underscores my point:
"All who believed were together and had all things in common; and they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need."
Acts 2:44-45
Yeah, that sounds real con-servative to me. Damn, there I go with those pesky liberal facts again.
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Conservative Bible Project...reforming that socialist Jesus.
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"18: I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19: And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
Revelation 22:18-19
I guess they'll be, "translating" these verses too. ...lol
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Van Jones resigns...
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9/26/2009 4:21:37 PM
The left doesn't find Van Jones offensive because we don't see anything to be offended by. From Beck to Limbaugh and everyone in between, all I've seen is out of text sound bites and video clips cobbled together in a damning way. NO REAL REPORTING. JUST OPINION!
They call him racist because he spoke about policies (that have been documented by the way) that allow pollution in minority neighborhoods but not in white areas. How is that racist? See, that's the new right wing tactic; call the person who speaks about racism a racist. And the partisan masses eat it up.
None of you have any real facts about Jones, just opinion. Show me some real, in depth reporting on Jones and I'll take a look. Until you can do that, you're just repeating talking points because it makes you feel better.
This country is going to hell in a hand basket and this kind of thinking is the main reason why.
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Flakey Girl after the 3rd date.. Opinions please?!?!
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9/22/2009 2:25:44 AM
Andrew,
I wouldn't put too much credence in the replies you've gotten here. You already have, "that feeling." something isn't right. You're thirty and you've been in the game long enough to know when something is up.
If she really wasn't playing games she would have gone the extra mile to set something else up. She was the one who canceled. It falls on her to make up for it. Not you. If a woman is into you she will move heaven and earth to spend time with you. Especially, if the reason she couldn't see you in the first place was her fault (ie ... a seminar for a hockey team she does personal training for and that is the only night it is available. ) I used to work on call. Never had a fixed work schedule. I canceled dates left and right. Each and every time I took it upon myself to make sure I made up for it. Especially for someone I really liked. In short, your instincts are %100 correct. If she wanted to spend time with you, she would have been on the phone by now. Or, would have at least sent a text asking to reschedule.
As far as the posters on here who are downing you because you said she wasn't that hot, pay them no attention. You told the truth. Doesn't make you shallow. If anything, it says a lot of good things about your character. Why? Because, even though you don't think she's a knock out, you liked her personality and were attracted to her, wanted to spend time with her based on who she was on the inside. Ladies, since when is that a shallow trait?
Come to think of it, I don't think most of the women attacking you would ever be any where near as open minded as you have been. They all have their "physical disqualifiers" and most of the time will not look past them. How many of them would date a short man, skinny man, fat man, bald man, man with a pony tail, blah ... blah ... blah ...blah? The list goes on and we've all heard it before. Give me a break. Most of them would say, "He's cute but ... " And that would be the end of the story. They'd turn into "Date Nazis." As in, "No dates for you!" ...lol!
So, keep doing what you're doing. You're a man and you look at things through a man's eyes. No need to apologize for it. You'll find a girl that fit's into your lifestyle. Until then, enjoy the ride.
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why are hot guys so mean ????
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9/17/2009 12:24:20 AM
For the same reason hot women can be mean. Because, they can. People let them get away it. So, they keep doing it.
Put someone in their place once and they won't act like that again. Hot girl, hot guy or anyone else.
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For Musicians - Could you date a deaf person?
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Yes. It would mean I could work on my songs anytime, day or night, and not disturb her (as long as I kept the bass response to a minimum).('
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He thinks co-worker is pretty. Does he deserve to lose job?
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8/9/2009 11:38:31 PM
What I'm going to say will not win me many female fans but, I have to be honest. If someone giving you a compliment makes you uncomfortable, effects your job performance, or other wise makes your working experience unbearable, then you need to stay home. It's as plain as that.
This is just another example of our society becoming weak. Both men and women need to toughen up a little. It's called human interaction and it's not always about you. Unless a person puts his, or her, hands on you, fires you or denies your rightful wages and bonuses, get over it. Get back to work or quit and start your own biz. As my uncle use to say, "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay your a$$ on the porch."
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Were the police's action's justified in this case?
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8/8/2009 7:05:04 PM
wow, i feel bad for that ladies family. there was a comment on he video a few posts down, he said "You DO NOT threaten a police officer with a weapon, old people should know better. " But often they DON'T know better. Obviously i don't know what her mental health is, but it's not a stretch to think MAYBE she was under confusion or mild dimentia.
I believe she is suffering from some form of dementia. Here is a link to a news cast about the incident. In it, they say she does suffer from dementia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3ifpNtN5A&feature=related
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Were the police's action's "justified" in this case?
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8/8/2009 6:42:07 PM
Watch this video and comment on whether you feel the police where "justified" here. Notice, I wrote "justified" not legal. Clearly, what the officer did was legal and more than likely, standard operating procedure. But, was it necessary?
Answer honestly. I have a prediction on how these answers will break down. I'll chime in after a few people have commented and post whether or not my prediction was correct.
One more thing, everyone; keep it friendly. This has the potential to get a lot of people fired up. Lets keep this civil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xW_-bSxTyI
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Racism........... Really?
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interesting reading.....
but,
did you ever consider for one second
that it was actually Gates that acted out of racism and NOT Crowley?
probably not-
Actually I did. And I implied as much in my original response. As I stated, Gates did overreact. Maybe, I should have been clearer in my writing. For that, I will take the blame. Gates more than likely reacted the way he did because of some sort of racism.
and I wonder how many time Crowley has been prejudged to be a racist becaues he is white and wears a badge
Probably this happens to Crowley quite often. But, so what?
Police officers are granted powers to do things normal citizen can not do. With those powers comes responsibilities and hopefully the training to handle those responsibilities. Crowley is not on the same level as you or I. He, as are all police officers, is held to a higher standard. When you, or I, are loosing our cool, our police, fire, etc ... are trained and expected to do the right thing. Even for people they may not like. And yes, even for people they find disrespectful. The moment an officer looses his ability to discharge his duties in a fair and equal manner, then that officer should resign.
Let's switch things around and say Crowley is black and Gates is white. I'll take it even further than that. Let's say Gates is a white supremest full of p!ss and vinegar. He's there calling the black Crowley all kinds of coons, porch monkeys, N-word this, N-word that, you name it. OK, the black Crowley gets fed up and carts him down to the station. I would still say he was wrong. Why? Because the white Gates is in his own home and is not a threat to anyone. He's just a bitter old man. The black Crowley still had all of the power and could have simply diffused the situation by turning around and leaving that man's property. As wrong as the white Gates would have been to call black Crowley racist names, it's still his house. He is old and cripple. He didn't pose a threat to the officers. Leave him be and laugh about it at the pub after work. He shouldn't hide behind "procedure" and take it upon himself to teach the old man a lesson. At his age, anything he hasn't learned by now, he's not going to learn anyway. More importantly, this isn't how our system of law enforcement is supposed to work.
A man should have the right to say what he pleases in his own home. Now if Gates threatened the officers with bodily harm then I could understand. But, he didn't. He spoke his mind. And, I will reiterate, in his own home.
Just because Crowley had the authority to arrest him, didn't make it the right thing to do. Or, did YOU think about that? Probably not.
On a side note it will be interesting to see if Crowley accepts the President's offer to meet with he and Gates and hash this thing out over a few beers. You know, like men of honor do. They sit down face to face, work it out and move on. Will he do that or will he use this, or be used, to prop up some sort of political agenda? Will he man up and show some character or hold a grudge and fold? Time will tell.
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Racism........... Really?
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7/26/2009 9:12:32 PM
I tried to stay away from this thread. I mean I really, really tried. But, to paraphrase Micheal Corleone “Every time I try to look away, the ignorance pulls me back.” ...lol This thread and the one about the kids and the country club are like a car accidents. You know you're going to be grossed out by the carnage, but you just can't look away!
Anyway, back to the subject at hand. Was this a case of racial profiling? No. At least not in the case of the police officers. They didn't pull Gates over or approach him because of his color. They responded to a call from a neighbor. So, if anyone was racial profiling it was the person who called in the supposed, “break in.” Which, says something about our neighborhoods in this day and age. What kinds of citizens are we that we don't even know who are neighbors are anymore? It begs to ask the question, are we even citizens at the point or are we now autonomous residents familiar only to our immediate family and friends? But, I digress.
Anyway, was there racial profiling? No. Was there racism and overreaction, for the most part, yes. People need to realize that racism happens in degrees. It's not an either or state of mind. Just because a person has friends or even relatives of a different race, doesn't immunize that person from the effects of racist attitudes. Additionally, just because a person doesn't like a certain race as a whole, doesn't mean that person condones oppressing that race or committing acts of violence against that race. That person may just choose to not associate with that race. The combinations are endless. We, as a civilization, need to understand that racism isn't always so black and white (No pun intended). The term “racism” doesn't always, and I believe rarely, means burning a cross on someone's lawn. As matter of fact, a person can have racist attitudes and not even realize it. This is what I believed happened with officer Crowley.
Sure, Gates may have over reacted. However, did his actions rise to the level that he needed to be arrested? I highly doubt it. And this is where I believe the racism actually came into play. If Gates were white, I don't believe Crowley would have arrested him. I believe Crowley, as most of the white law enforcement community, has a harder standard when dealing with blacks. Now, that is not to say that all white police officers are that way. And, that doesn't mean the Crowley himself goes out of his way to harass blacks. In a similar situation, had Gates been a white man, the chances of him not going to jail are far higher. I believe this because studies have shown that blacks receive harsher treatment for the same crimes. Here is an article about one such study:
http://www.seattlepi.com/opinion/317682_blackfamily30.html
Not to mention, white police officers have a long, documented history of harassing black men. To suddenly act like this is all in the distant past, and has no bearing on this situation, is at least intellectually irresponsible. Doing so is like smacking a person every time you see him or her, then getting upset when that person finally gets fed up and smacks you back. Of course I'm using an extreme analogy, but I'm sure understand my point. Now, how does this apply to the Gates Crowley incident? Because it sets up the mindset that I'm sure fueled Gates reaction.
I wonder how many times Gates has been subject to police harassment in the past? How many times has he had to bite his tongue and say, “Yes, officer. No, officer.” while the offending police officer knew he had done nothing wrong except being black. Here is a man that, by all accounts, has done what a good American should do. Work hard, sacrifice and excel in his chosen field. Here is a man who isn't a sports hero or a song and dance man. He studied hard, worked hard, kept his nose clean and made his way in this world through the power of his mind. Purely and simply; The American dream personified. I suspect that was, in some way, a breaking point for Gates. Does this excuse his overreaction? No. But his overreaction doesn't excuse officer Crowley either.
For the sake of argument, let's remove race from the situation all together. Let's say Gates and Crowley are the same color. OK, now lets assume the exact same thing happens. What does it say about our law enforcement officers, and us as people, that we think it's perfectly alright to arrest an old man, who uses a cane, has never been in trouble with the law, and was of no threat whatsoever to the officers, the neighborhood, or the community at large? Seriously, think about it. In the last few weeks we've seen older Americans taserred and otherwise unnecessarily manhandled by those we charge to “protect and serve” them and us. I don't know about you, but that's the kind of service I want protection from.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/09/new-video-shows-officer-shove-then-taser-72-year-old-grandmother/
Now, of course I know officers have procedures they follow. But, they also have discretion. An old man yelling and screaming because an officer comes into his home and questions whether that man lives there or not, should not ever be an offense worth taking anyone to jail over. Especially, an older, handicapped person. And, if that is standard procedure, then that procedure needs to change, immediately. I'll sum it up; the man was in his own home expressing his discontent with what was happening. He was not threatening violence in any shape or form (according to reports). Yet, he was taken to jail for his words. HE WAS TAKEN TO JAIL FOR HIS WORDS! Why are we not up in arms about that? If this had been a conservative, the Right wingers would have painted the incident as example of how Americans are loosing their civil rights under the Obama administration. Since when do we, black, white, Left or Right think it should be illegal for a man to speak his mind in his own home? Bottom line; Crowley did not have to arrest him. This did not have to happen. This was shoddy police work at best.
Lastly, there are those here who demand documentable proof that Crowley did act out of racism. Well, that can't be proven any more than it can be proven that he DID NOT act out of racism. Especially, since in his mind, he doesn't believe he did. Remember, I said racism happens in subtle degrees and often, we as human beings don't realize we may have subconsciously crossed that line. No one knows what was going through his mind at the time. And because of that it can't be proved or disproved by that criteria alone. It's simple logic my friends. If you need to know what “a”(Crowley's mindset) is to prove whether “b” is true. But, you have no idea how to definitively quantify “a.” Then you can not know whether “b” is true or not. Period. And neither Crowley, nor any other police officer would ever write such a thing in his police report even if he was aware of it.
Gates did overreact. I don't have much doubt about that. But Crowley was the one in the position of power. He had the most authority and training. He had the responsibility to be more come, more reasoned and more rational. He is paid to keep us safe. Not teach an uppity old man a lesson. He could have and should have handled the situation better. That is part of his job and at that task he failed. Sure, it could be argued that Crowley was just following procedure. But, it's been my experience that procedure is often the sanctuary of the incompetent.
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
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7/22/2009 9:50:17 PM
... But do know that the Dems are scared of Palin and not of Clinton....
I'm a certified, card carrying, far left leaning Democrat and let me be the first to tell you, we would love to see Palin at the head of the Republican ticket in 2012. That would be like manna from heaven for our party. ...lol
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21st Century,Black American President, and we still have this..
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7/22/2009 4:43:50 PM
I made a number of posts in the N-word thread in the Off Topic section. I tried to get a respectful discussion going, but it fizzled -- which just happens on these forums. No biggie.
But one of the points I made is that individually, I am not a racist. I sincerely know in my heart that I can judge an individual, regardless of race.
But I also know that I have a number of racisms toward the black race as a whole. Yet the more I try to educate myself and prove my racist thoughts wrong, I'm having difficulty doing so. I see what I see ... and unfortunately, I'm not finding people on this forum to prove my "racist" thoughts wrong.
I'm not going to repeat them here, so if you're interested, check out that N-word thread. Like I said, I simply lost my gusto to contribute to this topic on here.
@Zebra
I would be happy to answer any question you have about blacks, the N word or anything else racially related. I will not get upset and as long as you are asking out of genuine curiosity. I will answer as thoughtfully as I can.
I believe that people should be able to discuss race in a open and respectful manner. It is the only way we will be able to overcome it's boundaries.
Post your questions on a thread or send them directly.
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21st Century,Black American President, and we still have this..
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7/22/2009 4:36:16 PM
^^^^^^Barney Frank and others ordered the banks to REDLINE. when the minorities bought homes they couldn't afford the home mortgage industry collapsed and that's one of the reasons we're in the mess we're in.
@tomic bomb (Cool name by the way)
Actually, your info is off. Redlining was the practice of denying someone a mortgage or charging them more for a mortgage based on the neighborhood they lived in. You could have the best credit rating possible, a good job, and a nice down payment and you could still be turned down based on where you live (i.e. black neighborhoods). Imagine, you work hard, pay your bills on time, you sacrifice and save money for a home of your own. But, you are told no because some of the people around you have messed up their credit. In short, these people were being denied their fare share of the American dream because of their race and location. Can you explain to me how that is fair?
Secondly, show me where there was legislation that mandated (ordered) mortgage companies give loans to anyone, black or white, whether they could afford it or not. Provide a link. I'd love to read the actual legislation. Let us see for ourselves what this legislation actually says.
What they did do was relax lending standards and create alternative lending programs that were open to all Americans, not just black ones. Also, this was not the cause of the financial mess the country is in now. That is a Con-servative myth. Here are the facts:
the federal Community Reinvestment Act -- enacted in 1977 -- applies only to depository institutions, such as banks and savings and loan associations. In testimony before the House Financial Services Committee, Michigan law professor Michael Barr stated that while problems in the subprime lending industry were a driving force behind the housing crisis, he estimated that only 20 percent of subprime mortgages were issued by depository institutions under the CRA. In his testimony, Barr stated:
" Despite the fact that CRA appears to have increased bank and thrift lending in low- and moderate-income communities, such institutions are not the only ones operating in these areas. In fact, with new and lower-cost sources of funding available from the secondary market through securitization, and with advances in financial technology, subprime lending exploded in the late 1990s, reaching over $600 billion and 20% of all originations by 2005. More than half of subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies not subject to comprehensive federal supervision; another 30 percent of such originations were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts, which are not subject to routine examination or supervision, and the remaining 20 percent were made by banks and thrifts.
...There has been a tendency to conflate the current problems in the subprime market with CRA-motivated lending, or with lending to low-income families in general. I believe it is very important to make a distinction between the two. Most of the loans made by depository institutions examined under the CRA have not been higher-priced loans, and studies have shown that the CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households."
http://mediamatters.org/research/200809300012
What that means is that as much as 80% of the subprime loans were made by sources who did not fall under the supervision of the CRA. In other words, they could do what they wanted. And, what they wanted was to give subprime loans. Sounds like free market economics 101 to me. Not a legislative mandate. CRA, Barney Frank, Acorn, etc were not the major, sole, or triggering causes of this crises.
racial profiling- you go after those who are committing the crimes.
black population - 12%.
black prison population over 40% black. one in four black men between the ages of 18 and 30 have been in jail. that speaks for itself.
blame it all on the honkies.
There is always more than meets the eye when the topic of prison incarceration rates come up. As SA Guy pointed out, drug laws are tilted in favor of substances whites are more likely to use.
Also, when you look for more crime among any group of people, black, white or otherwise, you will find higher rates of offenders in that group. I'll bet if whites were pulled over, stopped and otherwise questioned at the same rates blacks are, you'd see their rates of incarceration go up significantly. However, I'm not letting anyone off the hook. Blacks and other minorities may commit crimes at a higher rate than whites. But, throughout history, you'll see that happens with all races or groups (the plight of the Irish is a good example of this) who have been systematically oppressed. Once again, I'm not saying this is an excuse. If you break the law you should have to suffer the punishment. Period. I'm just showing you that there is often more going on than a simple sound byte would have you believe.
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This was racially motivated... because you want it to be.
First of all, Jack D! How's it going? Haven't seen you on the forums as much as I used to. Good to see you are still out there plugging along. Now, back to the issue at hand:
Why would I want that? Why would I want to see racism? I don't think any of us wants to see this. And, I for one, am not one of those people who sees racism behind every corner.
There really isn't anything wrong with this... Yes sure, the lady could be a racist... but her statement here doesn't make it so.
If she said this? would it be Racist? ("I heard this lady, she was like, 'Uh, what are all these kids doing here?' She's like, 'I'm scared they might do something to my child,'" ) 65 unknown kids.... Any parent of young kids could be concerned... It just makes them a worried parent... not a racist. Now yes you put in the word "Black" and you want to make it about race... when it might just be a way someone would describe a group of Black Kids..... That they would not normally see.
OK, so it makes her a concerned parent who's a racist. There, happy? Anytime your actions or beliefs about a person or persons are determined by a stereotype of that person's ethnic group, you are being racist. Period.
She snatches her kid out of the pool because a group of black kids get in. I could understand if there were reports of the kids acting badly, cussing, starting fights, pissing in the pool, etc ... Then, I could understand. Hell, I'd snatch my kids out of the pool also (if I had any). But, there were no reports of anything like that. I've read three separate accounts and none of the Club members said the any of the children were misbehaving.
I'm sorry, but I have no compassion for anyone who gets scarred just because a bunch of black (or any color) kids jumped into the pool.
If everything went down as reported, then she is a racist. Plain and simple.
In addition, if it were an over crowding issue (which it may very well have been), why did they not say that immediately? I would have no problem with that. However, it took them a few days to come up with this explanation.
If I had to kick kids out of the pool for overcrowding, I would say that. Why would I say " ...There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," if I meant that the number of children was a problem? It doesn't take a few days to say, "We oversold. I'm sorry, but there are just too many kids."
Come on. Sheesh!
It's a private club....
Private is Private... people pay for that....
If you'll re-read what was written you see that the kids were paid members
The Creative Steps Day Camp paid more than $1900 to The Valley Swim Club.
So, for purposes of the pool, from my limited understanding of the laws in that state (or any other for that matter), they were, at that point, members. Once money changes hands, a deal is a deal. As long as the Club had possession of their money, they were entitled to the same access to the pool as the other paid members.
Also, our laws say it doesn't matter if a club is private or not. They cannot base their membership policies on race. They can be based on ability to pay, but never race.
again 65 kids you don't know.... These are kids... They might have gotten out because they didn't know what was going on, and could have even been scared.
Now, this is totally supposition on my part, but when was the last time kids ran away from a chance to play with a bunch of other kids in a pool? When were were kids(mind you, I grew up in a mostly white neighborhood) it was the more the merrier. New kids were always welcomed at the local pool. If these kids got out of the pool because a bunch of unknown children jumped in, I feel sorry for them. What kind of child doesn't want to play with other kids? Sure, there may be some bashfulness at first, but after a few moments kids do what they do best; make friends and play.Those are some messed up babies and it makes me sad for our future as a country.
Kids will play with other kids regardless of race or religion. Unless, their parents poison their little minds and instruct them otherwise.
If you rented a place and were having a barbecue in your back yard.... with about 20 of your friends.... and then 40 people just showed up because your landlord invited them... You would be a little pissed....
unless they were all NFL cheerleaders...
Yes, I would be pissed. But landlord/tenant laws do not apply here. It's a different animal all together. You cannot expect the same level of rights at a "private" club that you enjoy from a "private" residence. Don't believe me? Ask an attorney.
And NFL cheerleaders are always welcomed, everywhere. Not only is that the law, but it is a basic American Right! ('
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The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
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@ Swamp_Hunter
I do not think it is fair for them to go after Ricci. He stood up for his rights and he won, from what looks like to be, fair and square.
They should let him go back to fighting fires and saving lives. But, unfortunately, that isn't how our society works. Now, he'll be the poster boy for some political agenda. Hopefully, he won't allow himself to get caught up in all of that.
He seems to be a noble man. Lets hope he stays that way.
Lateef
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The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
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7/11/2009 1:33:18 PM
I respectfully disagree.
We currently have no laws on any books in any state, fine sir, that required her to deny promotions to men because of their race. Oh wait..we actually have laws that forbid that, me thinks.
The reversal of the decision by Judge Sonia Sotomayor was due to the blatant racism that was played in promoting African Americans and Hispanics instead of more qualified Caucasians.
Avoiding potential discrimination against one group by actually discriminating against another is universally unethical. <-------A third grader can grasp this. One doesnt need a Law degree from Havard to see that, only an unbiased mind and an ethical standard higher than that of a dumpster rat. (one Sotomayor apparetnly lacks)
@Apologist~D.A
You have to be kidding me? I'm giving you an argument based on legal fact and you come back with what you "feel" is unethical? You realize that's like bringing a knife to a gun fight, don't you?
Step back from the RWM (Right Wing Media) and look at the facts from an unbiased perspective;
1. Sotomayor was one of three other judges on a three judge panel. They all ruled unanimously in support of the city.
2. The other two judges are white. Yet, no one calls them racists or reverse racists.
- All three judges were confirmed by Republican majorities. Yet no one chastises them for confirming, what the right perceives as, a racist judge.
3. The full 2nd Circuit Court ruled 7/6 in support of the initial ruling from Sotomayor and the other two judges.
4. The EEOC, under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, has certain criteria that must be met. Otherwise, the employer (the city in this case) would have been deemed in violation of Title VII. The test results did not meet that criteria. So, the city would have been deemed as "breaking the law," thus opening them up to be sued. Under Title VII, the city had the right to throw out the test and make a new one that would meet the aforementioned criteria to avoid legal action.
So, all Sotomayor (and the nine, count 'em NINE other judges) said, was that the city was within it's rights to do what they did. These TEN (COUNTING Sotomayor) judges all ruled according to letter of the law. Now, those are the facts. If you have any other facts to refute these, I'm happy to check them out.
The problem here isn't the Sotomayor rulling. It's the way Title VII is written. But, the RWM doesn't want you to know that. Why? Because to change Title VII would, and should, require the legislature to do that. But, it wasn't the legislature that did it. It was the Right wing judges. And once you understand that, then you realize the Con-servatives are being hypocritical ... again.
Con-servatives always want judges to rule on the law as it is written. They always say judges should not legislate from the bench. That laws should be made by representatives of the people. That is ... until the letter of the law doesn't say what they think it should. Then, it's okay for judges to make or redefine laws.
Apologist~D.A, I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful. But when you are arguing regulations, laws, codes, etc ... it isn't about what any of us feels. It's about how those pieces of legislation are written. That is what makes a good judge. The ability to remove his or her feelings about the case and rule based on what that law says. You cannot, and will not ever win an argument about anything legal when you are talking about what you feel is ethical while the opposing side is presenting reasoned arguments based on facts.
Lateef
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21st Century,Black American President, and we still have this..
Posted:
7/10/2009 5:35:04 PM
For those of you who think this may not have been about race:
"I heard this lady, she was like, 'Uh, what are all these black kids doing here?' She's like, 'I'm scared they might do something to my child,'" said camper Dymire Baylor.
The Creative Steps Day Camp paid more than $1900 to The Valley Swim Club. The Valley Swim Club is a private club that advertises open membership. But the campers' first visit to the pool suggested otherwise.
"When the minority children got in the pool all of the Caucasian children immediately exited the pool," Horace Gibson, parent of a day camp child, wrote in an email. "The pool attendants came and told the black children that they did not allow minorities in the club and needed the children to leave immediately."
"... Campers remain unsure why they're no longer welcome.
"They just kicked us out. And we were about to go. Had our swim things and everything," said camper Simer Burwell.
The explanation they got was either dishearteningly honest or poorly worded.
"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement."
By KAREN ARAIZA
NBC/Philadelphia News
Now, unless we have a case of faulty reporting, how can you not see the racist component here? I mean seriously, how can you make excuses for what, according to reports, was racially motivated?
Lateef
lateef7842
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The Pain of being a skinny guy.
Posted:
7/7/2009 12:15:39 PM
Oh, give me a frakkin' break! Get over it, already.
They don't come much skinnier than me. Always have been, always will be. Nothing will ever change that. Being thin never stopped me from getting girlfriends. Hell, I could be laid out on a stretcher, with one leg in the shape of a "W," the other in the form of a question mark and an oak tree growing out of the middle of my forehead and I'm still going to leave the place with the hottest woman in the room.
The point I'm trying to make is it's all about what goes on in your mind. Don't tie your self worth to your body. Your body will change. Sometimes for the better, often for the worse. Build your self worth on who you are, not your size. Nothing wrong with looking your best, I always do. But, you should ground yourself in the knowledge that no matter how you look, you are a person deserving of the best and anything less is unacceptable. That is the kind of confidence that is enduring and unshakable. And, that is the kind of confidence few woman can ignore.
Lateef
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Does anyone have anything good to say about their EX?
Posted:
7/7/2009 11:40:16 AM
She was love.
The world was a better place with her in it.
Lateef
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The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
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7/6/2009 10:42:05 PM
i am not thrilled with sotomayor. i was disappointed to read about her ruling in a property rights case, which basically tells us where she would have stood on the kilo ruling - a disastrous imminent domain case. i think she is another ruth bader ginsberg, of whom i am also not a fan due in part to her position on this case and several others. i am sure no one knows what i am talking about... not unusual on this forum. i'll see if i can find a link to the case. not that anyone would read it... yawn...
Lar, Lar ,Lar ... lol First of all, how have you been? Haven't seen you on the forums as much as I used to. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Anyway, back to the nitty gritty.
When you see fit to climb down from your high horse (or in your case "elephant") you may want to take note that the ruling you are referring to is actually called the "Kelo Ruling" not "Kilo." If you're going to talk down to people (in between yawns), the least you could do was get your citation's name correct.
Secondly, if you would dig a little deeper (i.e. look beyond RWM) you would have discovered that, like The Transformers, there is more than meets the eye. Here is a link. Not that you would bother to read it ... yawn ...
http://mediamatters.org/research/200906150033
@Apologist~D.A
I simply wrote that she had to be corrected for her faulty ethics. (much like my 2 year old nephew I'm afraid.)
Actually, if you'd read the law you'd know Sotomayor simply upheld said law. Basically, and I'm not a lawyer (yet), the law said that the city had the right to throw the test results out if they felt they were going to be sued because of those results. She didn't side with anyone. She interpreted the law as it was written. She did not add or take anything away from the law.
Contrast that with the Con-servatives on US Supreme court who redefined the law (i.e. legislated from the bench) by saying that the city had to prove that they could loose a law suit. Not just that they could be sued. So, they instituted a new rule.
Oh wait, my bad. Re-interpreting a law is only a bad thing when it favors progressive ideals. Heaven forbid Con-servatives practice what they preach
Lateef
Your Friendly Neighborhood Liberal Man
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted:
7/4/2009 12:05:36 AM
I keep hearing grumblings about her possibly being indicted soon and said indictments would have made it impossible to remain in office.
I don't know how true that is. It could just be rumor. Time will tell.
Lateef
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