I guess sometimes we women need those big flashing neon signs. You can accuse us of being 'demanding' etc, but, I think its just part of our inner programming. And when one looks at nature as my Russian friends even advised, at least the male of the species gets out and shakes his tail feathers or fights off the other moose, etc to have his 'prized' femme. And as for her, she doesn't usually have to strut around and do the same, just look like a good potential candidate-which for human purposes translates to being the best person we can be on our own in all of our various ways.

I've known women who'd knock the wind out of a romantic man's gestures

I think if you look to your literature books you will find endless accounts of stories, poems, epics written by men about the love men have for women. Again though, we're talking about published works which we're mainly men in the past. I'm sure their are just as many unread diaries of women declaring their love for a man that are just as moving and meaningful, but have never been glanced at by anyone but the authors.

I've seen men who are over the top romantic and others who don't know the meaning of the word, and seen the same in women.

Antonia2,

YES! The man I am sharing my life with now is exactly that way and he's 47. His love and devotion for me are evident in every movement and every word. He's not "over the top" as if he's trying to impress me. I've experienced that before and it feels totally fake (and often is).

While he does his share of wining and dining and he's also bought me a few pieces of jewelry, it's the other, smaller, thoughtful things that let me know I'm with the right man.

He knows I like purple so when he saw those cute purple socks the other day he knew he had to buy them for me. He had the most adorable, boyish grin and twinkling eyes when he gave them to me along with a card that said, "My heart belongs to you". If that wasn't enough to make me weak in the knees, he then made a special dinner for me (he's a chef so he often cooks for us), making sure it kept within my dietary needs as always. And that was only Friday evening!

I know that I'm always on his mind and in his heart. The way his face lights up when he sees me tells me everything I need to know. Both of us realize how lucky we are to have met and to be so compatible. Nurturing each other and the relationship is our #1 priority.

My advice remains the same....

Don't ever give up and don't ever settle.

I do though in my heart feel men are the true romantics ...the tender hearts who risk so much when they must cross a room to ask a lady to dance.

I've met men that would knock your socks off.
Then there are woman that would do the same for there man..

I don't know....I do romance pretty darn goood....

The ability to create romanti feelings falls onto the shoulders of men.

I'm pretty sure most men aren't heading over to other countries in droves in order to have sex. How many men do you know who have gone to Russia to have sex with Russian women? The small amount who do this would have a negligible effect on the overall average, so there's no way that would account for the discrepancy.

Sure the ones that do not bring a pay check home """"" so why do you men not cook?

The average woman having had fewer partners than the average man is one reason these numbers are considered unreliable. Heterosexual men have to be having sex with women, right?

Most of my male friends have had very few partners...
I'd bet considering they range in age from 30 to 50+ that most of them have had less than 5 partners... probably most of them no more than 3, one of my friends is up around 20....
The women friends however, that's a much different story...
The ones I know about are 1; 4; 7; 16; 29 ; 44 and over a 150....

I've had more partners than the average woman in this country

Being judgmental is not an attractive quality.

You've got that right oldsoul! For a year while i was dating a girl, i probably only showered/ bathed by myself 8 times. It is awesome having someone willing to take care of you like that!

Canadian Beef. Thanks for the laugh!

I'm always overjoyed (not) when you see some lanky long haired
chick walking along the street, only to find out it's a guy! Makes
you want to stop your 4x4 open the hood and stick their head and
hair into the fan! Then give em a good shit kicking with yur steel
toed boots!

No doubt about it though. MOST women are attracted to a MANLY guy.
Logically, they may not express that, but that's what seems to turn them on!

However, MOST also demand cleanliness, and sometimes the two arn't
mutually inclusive.

I'm not sure why you feel you have the right to call that "disgusting". Someone else's promiscuity is really none of your concern, particularly if they're using protection and having safer sex. You're welcome to your own deal-breakers, silly as I find them, but I'm not sure why you feel you can pass judgment on someone just because they have a more colorful sexual history than you do.

Bullshit. People experiment, and those people are everywhere; you probably have some friends who've had threesomes and you simply don't know it, because it's taboo and so people don't talk about it openly in many circles.

^^^ I stand by it being to the women's favor. Especially if you throw out the top and bottom 5 or 10 percent for both sides. Scientifically, it makes more sense...

The average male will admit to more partners than the average female, and is more likely to exaggerate that number, as well. Nobody knows for sure whether men have more partners in a lifetime, or women. Opportunity alone skews the likelihood of having more partners toward women. Throw in that more men are born than women, and that women live longer than men, and it is skewed even further toward women having more partners than men. Though, it could be argued that men have more partners later in life, and women have more partners early in life. Nobody really knows.

I'm beginning to suspect that's true. Both from my own experiences and what friends tell me, and also from reading on these forums...

1) The easiest pick up is a woman married 3 years or longer. She is starting to go "dead".
2) Almost two out of every person you see....their father is not who they think it is.
3) A woman is far more skilled at handling and hiding promiscuity.
4) The average woman has had far more partners than the average man by a huge margin. It's her job. Selection. She will pick one up, take a look and see how he fits, cut's him loose.

There's nothing wrong with spending countless hours and big dollars working on your hair and your nails, accessorizing, going to the spa and wearing women's clothing -- if you're a girl. A man, however, should spend that time doing something productive, like working, paying the mortgage or fixing his truck.

in some cultures they are refered to as
'nancy boys'

A friend of mine has been engaged in courtship with her boyfriend for almost a year, during that time they've done nothing more than the occasional hand-holding and hugs. Even those intimacies took a while to build up to.

A woman has babies....a man having a baby would kill a man...

A woman's orgasm is so powerful that if a man had an orgasm equal to it, it would kill him...and that ain't BS either.


just a cold hard fact of life...woman are stronger...but WE get kicked in the balls.....think about that for a second.

I never heard them called this either. Do men not get these?

Planning dates, inviting and communicating an active interest in persuing a relationship. I'm sure most men would intercede and take the lead over once it got started. Though it would be a helluva show in the beginning.

Guy’s get ragged out for looking at another girl, but girls expect us to be okay with them dancing with a stranger at the club.

In this case, someone has to begin the process and as antiquated as it seems, it is STILL usually the man.

If you don't see yourself as a 'prize', something with an inherent value whose worth, as a person and a woman, then I can't say much else to you.

If you think something is disturbing, I am disturbed by those ignorants who don't understand mating. Please show us some references or others of notable qualities who don't think males pursue females in all of the animal kingdom.

A man has to see and know the 'prize' he is courting a woman for, and realize that it is acheivable. Likewise the woman has to behave in such a way that she makes it clear she IS a prize worth reaching for, and for more than just physical gratification, too.

I'll say to the guys who want to cater to a woman like she's a little princess without her giving you anything in return, don't be surprised if that's how she always expects to be treated. And to the women who want to be catered to like a little princess without giving anything in return, good luck finding that rare guy who wants to play Daddy Warbucks for the rest of his life.

Yeah, sometimes women court men, but I think as a rule it is the guys that do it if they want the woman.

So, guys, expect to pay for those first few dates.

You should have seen the waiter's face when I ask for separate bills!