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 Author Thread: Lou Dobbs quit because of left wing hatred.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Lou Dobbs quit because of left wing hatred.
Posted: 11/19/2009 4:04:25 PM

What ever happened to the 1st amendment?

It hasn't gone anywhere, but maybe an understanding of it has. It just means that the government may not send you to jail for saying things (a little more complex than that, of course). That doesn't mean you won't get ostracized, fired, sued, or villified.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 119 (view)
 
Politically correctness
Posted: 11/19/2009 1:38:38 PM

When that 13 year old girl got hit in the head with a puck and died... that's exactly what I said. There must be billions of people who've attended hockey games without dying. But... after that... every one-horse-town with a hockey arena across Canada had to spend money covering their rinks in safety net.

These sorts of things seem to be more about tort law, legal liability, litigation, and insurance requirements than political correctness.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 99 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/18/2009 9:03:48 AM

I seem to remember the same joke being made about George Bush. Looks like the shoe is on the other foot, now, huh?

That's "fair and balanced" for you...

It's just that Obama got fitted for said shoe much more quickly and undeservedly. At this point in Bush's presidency (Nov. 2001 for the memory impaired), the country was rallying behind Bush in an unprecedented bipartisan fashion. Bush didn't have to "wear the shoe" until people had REALLY BIG things to complain about. In fact, those big things are STILL haunting us. Good thing you have Obama (D) to shift the blame onto when you can't admit to Bush (R) being a poor president.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 124 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/13/2009 8:07:56 AM

Well, I did a "Search" on "FT HOOD",...and I only came back with 3 hits on POF,.....
these 3.

How about doing a search on "fort hood"? Not everyone uses abbvns. It only takes at most a minute more effort to search again.

I thinks its sad, were even mentioning Gun Control in a thread about these tragic Murders

I agree that mentioning these two subjects together is like hammering a square peg into a round hole. However, you could just choose not to participate in a thread that offends your sensibilities. You could have voted to delete it, even. You certainly don't need to post multiple times to it in protest.

if anything,...there should, and has been the mentionm that More people should of been armed, and less people would of been harmed.

Ah, and there's the parting shot (no pun intended) that invalidates your entire complaint. *sound of square peg being hammered*
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Obama wants his war options changed
Posted: 11/12/2009 6:09:14 AM

If he doesnt make a decision soon maybe November will get the record for most American soldiers killed....59 were killed in October and 7 Already this month...how many more need to die before he can make a decision?

Show where Gen. McChrystal said that he needed more troops deployed in order to lessen the number of troop casualties.

Being an armchair commander can be fun-- some of the feelings of high position but none of the responsibility or tough decisions.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 249 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 11/11/2009 5:57:38 PM

If you wish to disqualify Fox News as a legitimate new source you have to address there news not there entertainment programs.

Like labelling a scandalized Republican with a "(D)"-- on two separate occasions? Or like saying that a decade of stable to cooling temperatures in the US is solid evidence against global climate change?

Really, though, the first red flag to the viewer should be that Fox claims to be "fair and balanced." It only appears that way to those who are fairly unbalanced towards the Republican Party. None of the other networks make any such fairy tale claim about themselves.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Greed... is good? I definitely think so.
Posted: 11/11/2009 3:41:56 PM
So words can mean whatever you'd like them to mean?

A better definition of greed is the pursuit of one's self-interest.

Better because you say so? By your definition, just about the only people who are not greedy are corpses, and the soon-to-be corpses.

In that case, agreed. Your brand of "good sorta greed" is good and necessary for survival. It also amounts to a tautology.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
WHY NOT THE TRUTH ?????
Posted: 11/11/2009 3:23:12 PM

Remember this is just based on the various statements that PolitiFact.com has looked into. On some of the people they have there could be even more Whole truths or even more untruths.

It is sadly telling that you felt the need to post this advisory. Did some here think that anyone could find and compare various politicians' levels of honesty down to a percentage scale? What other websites can we find to misuse in this strictly partisan pissing contest (as constructive and educational as these contests may be)?

Otherwise, feel free to continue with "All politicians lie, of course, but my party's politician lies less than yours by 5% according to politifact.com.honestydowntoascience.org."
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Greed... is good? I definitely think so.
Posted: 11/11/2009 3:09:31 PM
Hmm... has someone just finished reading "Atlas Shrugged"?

In any case, I have to agree with mtnwldflower. I think the OP is operating with a misunderstanding of the word "greed." It is not simply the pursuit of one's self interest. Here's Webster's take on it:


: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed

"Excessive" is, by its very definition (if you want to look that up), a bad thing.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 9 (view)
 
WHY NOT THE TRUTH ?????
Posted: 11/10/2009 9:59:42 PM
I get pretty cynical when people talk about wanting an honest politician. Want to know why politicians are not known for honesty? We, as voters, do not really want honesty. Honesty can be disturbing, damaging, and undiplomatic. It can disenfranchize voters. It can be ineffective in getting results. Nobody ever recounts Machiavelli as an example of ineffectiveness.

Remember when Obama talked of people "clinging to their guns"? He was being honest in his personal assessment. What good did that do? Biden is known as a gaffe machine. Most of his gaffes are the result of him being honest, at least as far as he knows at the time he makes these gaffes. I happen to think Carter was a pretty honest president-- how did that work out for him during his presidency? And for us? Then there's Nixon-- known for his dishonesty, yet a pretty effective president. Clinton was never known for his trustworthiness, but he was known for his empathy and likeability. He was also pretty effective.

History is littered with truly honest men who did not make it far in politics. No, what voters want is a politician who will tell them what they want to hear, do what they want to see, accomplish what they want him or her to accomplish, and know when to bend the truth-- if there is at least the illusion of trustworthiness in all that, so much the better.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:34:13 PM

if you are in charge of hiring or payroll for a company it is your duty to check that your workers have proper documentation before hiring and/or paying them. That means some type of photo id that matches their SS card.

It's not quite that simple, as these sorts of issues rarely are. Many illegals have fake documentation. You even acknowledged this fact in an earlier post, so I'm not sure why you are saying this.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:49:29 AM

FLYGUY...the article is true..Why is the rate higher for African Americans? I do not know, but it is a shame either way. Your feeble attempt to make me out to be a racist is a flop..

I was not disputing the stats, nor was I trying to make you out to be a racist-- I'm afraid you missed my point entirely. I was pointing out the inconsistency of people who often take issue with racial breakdowns when that breakdown does not help support their worldview. In this case, there is silence on the issue because the info in question DOES support their worldview. And believe me, in the past, when I have made people out as racists, the attempts were never feeble.

There also seems to be silence on the point that unemployment lags behind economic recovery...
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 220 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:29:52 PM
Fox News is overwhelmingly popular-- got it... message received.

But, hey, so were/are "Baywatch" and Nickelback. It is a bad idea to conflate popularity with quality.

Also, I have noticed over time that liberals are more likely to tune in to conservative shows than vice-versa. Viewing should not be confused with agreement. Iron sharpens iron, as they say...
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Unemployment hits 10.2%
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:09:36 AM

Unemployment rises to 10.2 percent; black unemployment rises to 15.7 percent

Hmm... I'm surprised that those colorblind among us didn't take issue with this racial categorization. Actually, I'm not that surprised as this isn't an article they want to find fault with.

While GDP statistics indicate the country is no longer in recesssion, the U.S. economy shed 190,000 jobs in October...

I asked a friend of mine who is a financial planner about these seemingly contradictory claims. He told me that unemployment lags a recession. Businesses have to lay off workers to get back into the black, see. While that is cold comfort to the unemployed, it does indicate that the economy is beginning its recovery, as slow as it may seem to those who are suffering.

Voters have never been known to be a patient group-- particularly those who didn't get the candidate they voted for. To paraphrase another president talking about oil prices, I'm sure that if Obama could wave a wand and say, "Create jobs," he would.

Economists will usually claim that a president's power to restore the economy is limited. However, the fact of the matter is that things could have gotten a whole lot worse. Actually, I thought they would. The question is not so much "Is the economy getting better?" but rather it is "Could Presidents Bush and Obama have helped the faltering economy in a more fiscally efficient manner?"

OBama DOES not care about UNEMPLOYMENT

You could not be more blunt and unfair if you were Kanye West. According to your reasoning prior to the elections, shouldn't Obama at least care about the black unemployment (with their higher percentage noted in the OP)?
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 71 (view)
 
Is it Time to Bring the Troops Home?
Posted: 11/4/2009 6:26:19 PM
Afghanistan is now arguably Obama's war/occupation, and it looks to be a lose/lose proposition. We lost a lot of headway there by being distracted by Iraq, and we're just trying to get back to that former progress now.

Yes, sending more troops will cause more casualties. But leaving will result in a power vacuum. It was a power vacuum that caused the Taliban to come to power there in the first damn place. Add in Pakistan and its nukes, and it gets kinda ugly.

I predict that IF we leave, a future president is just going to send us back in, and we get to do this all over again. But, really, I predict we will stay-- it's just a matter of how many troops, if there will be leadership/strategy changes, and for how long.

Either way, there will be plenty for people from both sides of the aisle to complain about and anguish over.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Race Enters Atlanta Mayoral Vote
Posted: 11/3/2009 10:05:42 AM

Of course many are resentful of the national attention, they should be because the poll numbers support the Fact that many Blacks do vote based on the color of the Candidate....

You seem to lack a certain empathy, fail to acknowledge history (and the present in regards to racial inequities), and hide it under the guise of "colorblindness." Do you think that blacks have never pulled the lever for a white candidate? That would be laughable if you did. Turn the tables-- what nonwhite candidates have you ever pulled the lever for?
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 181 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:39:19 PM

With all the media stations hanging heir hats in the Liberal ring, some way left it is good to have at least some that do question what is happening in DC.

You certainly are not including radio in your mention of "all the media stations." Otherwise, I agree with a few caveats:

-the level of Fox's scrutiny of DC seems to vary with the letter after the Prez's name
-being right leaning shouldn't mean poor journalism, sensationalism and "making sh!t up"
-Fox brutalizes the phrase "Fair and Balanced"-- it is difficult now for me to even utter those words with a straight face, and I am known as having a dry sense of humor
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 147 (view)
 
MIGHT solarcycle24 dispel manmade global warming?
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:27:43 PM

Specifically that implies the heat of a GREEN HOUSE which is usually higher than ambient is a direct result of the gas. To many if not most people, this means green house gasses are what make green houses hot and therefor will make earth hotter. The problem is that the gases in a green house have nothing to do with its ambient temperature. It would appear that the term held so dearly is a deliberate deception of the public.

Even way back in my high school youth when I first heard of "greenhouse gasses" in chemistry class, even when I didn't believe in/agree with AGW, or even GW for that matter, I wasn't dense enough to see the term in the manner you describe. A greenhouse is mostly glass; it lets radiation in, but is slow to let heat out. Hence, that is the metaphor with a greenhouse gas-- it acts like glass.

"To many if not most people" is highly speculative. There is no deliberate deception here, just a poor argument on your part. Some of your arguments seem fairly valid; the above isn't one of them.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:49:39 AM

My concern is by whom.

Corporations. Corporations which have all the advantages of personhood but hardly any of the disadvantages.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Cash for Clunkers True Cost = $4,347.88 Per Vehicle.
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:48:10 AM

What may be seen as a short term gain, often becomes a long term loss.

This sums up Reaganomics fairly well. We are living in the long term of decisions made decades ago.

Btw, moving toward better fuel mileage is long term gain.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Cash for Clunkers True Cost = 24,000 Per Vehicle.
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:58:09 AM
"True Cost" is a misleading label. How about "Adjusted Cost"? That is a fairer term for those who are truly seeking the truth.

So, a whole mess of people would have bought cars anyway, eh? In this depressed economy? Or is the economy on the road to recovery after all?

So the people who would have bought cars anyway got a $4500 discount on a new car. Admittedly, the price of new cars went up slightly as a result. So... (largely foreign) car sellers were able to raise prices... and car buyers got a deep discount... sounds like economic stimulus to me...

Wasn't that part of the whole reason behind this?

That foreign car makers reaped much of the benefit just echoes why the gubmint had to take over much of that industry here.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 24 (view)
 
No trick: 2,000 kids knock on White House door
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:31:33 AM
Looks like the president missed his opportunity to dress up as The Joker, Hitler, or maybe even a member of the Black Panthers. But knowing the grand delusions of some people, they probably wouldn't even have noticed the difference...
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 70 (view)
 
chemtrails
Posted: 10/29/2009 10:17:28 AM

I have no evidence to present...


if I even had probable cause...


you expect me to prove it to you? Why?

Looks like this argument has backpedalled right out the door. *shuts the door, locks the deadbolt*

I call for an adjournment until we at least get some photos of an all-white KC-135 (not grey as all of them are now) flying at lower than commercial jet altitudes (that is a tricky one to confirm) and spewing contrails out of its 4 engines that are somehow different from normal contrails (although contrails dissipate quite differently depending on the moisture content). Lingering contrails at low altitudes, especially in the warmer months, are unusual. Better yet, find a plane that has less contrails than it has engines-- that IS fishy!

Besides, I have to go feed my pet unicorn. I don't have to prove I have one to say that on here, do I?? I didn't think so.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 60 (view)
 
chemtrails
Posted: 10/28/2009 3:46:50 PM
JustDukky, I can't speak to your own personal experience. The fact is that your own personal experience does not speak for much regarding building a case for the intentional spraying of toxins on the populace.

Personally, I wasn't even aware of contrails until I saw them in old aviation movies as a kid. I lived to close to a major airport growing up, and all the planes flew rather low. Since then, I've seen contrails form, not form, dissipate quickly, and dissipate extremely slowly, and becoming like clouds as you said. It boils down to atmospherics, as has been said numerous times here.

However, a picture is worth a thousand words as they say. If you really have a case to make, I suggest you take a photo of the next all white KC-135 flying at 20,000' that is leaving a "chemtrail." I will take a look and see if I see anything mysterious. Just to warn you though-- as a ghosthunter once said, "You can't actually see a ghost if you don't already believe in them."

But really, don't you think the gov't would be able to complete these nefarious activities in a more invisible fashion?
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 53 (view)
 
chemtrails
Posted: 10/28/2009 11:53:57 AM

the "chemtrail" planes appear to be either (KC?) 135s or 167s.

No such plane as a 167 (that we know of... mwuahahaha...)

I never saw ordinary contrails turn into cirrus-like clouds,

How did you know those were ordinary contrails in the first place? Or that the chemtrails "turning into clouds" weren't actually normal contrails dispersing (normally)? Sort of this line of thinking, it seems:

"Daddy, what is an apple?"
"It's what grows on apple trees."
"What's are apple trees, then?"
"They grow apples."

What makes contrail dispersal a chemtrail? What chemical causes dispersal and how? What lack of chemicals causes lack of dispersal?
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Rush Was Punked: “Obama Thesis” Hoax
Posted: 10/28/2009 11:21:13 AM
When Rush's name comes up in talks about the next leader of the Republican party, he is more than just an entertainer-- at least for Republicans.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Afghan Deaths Increase - deadliest month in Afghan war
Posted: 10/28/2009 10:09:21 AM
Ah, yes. The unassailable "Your party is almost as guilty as ours in this" argument...

The list in post 30 and comments is one reason I cannot see why so many blame only Brush.

Well, speaking for myself, I don't blame only "Brush"; I blame mainly him. Commander in Chief, "the buck stops here" and all that. As that phrase was coined by a Prez with a "D" after his name, it might only apply to Dem presidents, though. That seems to be the tenor around here, anyway.

Just maybe some politicians should do more research and reading before just going with the flow on admendments.

Absolutely. Especially with something as important as invasion. Yup... the Dems fvcked up-- they trusted the Bush administration in a matter of national security.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 46 (view)
 
chemtrails
Posted: 10/28/2009 9:47:39 AM
As no one has answered these relevant questions yet, they bear repeating:

How do you tell the difference between a plane that is cruising by at 25,000 feet, and one crusing above at 30,000 feet?

How do you tell the difference between a contrail, and a chemtrail?

OK, the first question is pretty much directed at JustDukky and his claims. Good luck with that answer, btw.

The second question, however, is for anyone to answer... anyone at all...

You are in denial.

Yes. We deny the validity and veracity of many youtube videos. For example, someone could show a picture of a fallen down tree-- that is not sufficient evidence of an alien landing there (to me, at least).

The German government has admitted to the chemtrails spraying on National Television, but lied, saying they are not harmful. These are Government facts.

You mean this debunked story?

http://contrailscience.com/germans-admit-they-used-duppel/
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Afghan Deaths Increase - deadliest month in Afghan war
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:16:35 PM

Our leaders are cowards for not turning loose the full power of the U.S. military on our enemies.

Being an armchair general is a satisfying gig. Everything seems so straightforward. In the real world, real generals and their bosses have to deal with real problems and real consequences. Speaking of full power, nukes are very indiscriminate and leave an icky residue. We do not have missiles/bombs/bullets that can figure out who the enemy is. Nor do we have intelligence reports that can pinpoint all of the enemy with nice red arrows saying, "Bad guys here." Nor do we have an enemy that will congregate in an area separate from everyone else a in nice, orderly, British redcoats fashion.

BTW, since the day the wars started the Democrats never once voted down an appropriations bill which would have ended them. If they are all fired up to cut and run, why haven't they done it???

Leaving a violent occupation is not an all or nothing thing. Forces need to be withdrawn in stages. Bush wasn't going to sign off on any withdrawl plan. If appropriations bills were not passed, congress would lose political capital for leaving our boys overseas high and dry. It's tough to win a game of chicken when you suspect your opponent (the President in this scenario) might be crazy.

Dem or Rep, we're going to be in Iraq in one way or another for a very long time; the difference would be the number of troops and the timing of the reductions. If people did not realize that, then they didn't do their homework. Regarding Afghanistan, well, Obama never said he was going to withdraw from there any time soon.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 25 (view)
 
chemtrails
Posted: 10/27/2009 2:20:13 PM
With a little research, I now see that birds are spraying, too. Can you believe it? BIRDS!!

How deep does this rabbit hole go?

http://contrailscience.com/things-are-not-as-they-seem/
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
chemtrails
Posted: 10/27/2009 11:27:43 AM
OMG. It's worse than anyone thought... the US government has been doing this since World War II... over Europe, even:

http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~josephkennedy/combat_photo_gallery2.htm
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 107 (view)
 
MIGHT solarcycle24 dispel manmade global warming?
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:18:08 AM

They are not at risk as they are heavily invested in alternative energy such as wind and solar.

Talk about a hollow argument...

And no, I didn't notice because I reached my conclusions from my analysis, not someone else’s.

Are you a climatologist? In this specialized a field of knowledge, this is like saying you would rather do major heart surgery on a loved one of yours because, after all, you're a pediatrician, let's say, than let a heart surgeon who is a virtual stranger (who therefor cannot be fully trusted) do it.

All one has to do is look to ethanol mandates to see environmental destruction in the name of CO2 global warming.

Very possibly true, but it does not contradict climate change. Aka a red herring argument.

"Some of them are the same "scientists" who insisted that cigarettes weren't harmful to our health"

I would like to see this data.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fred_Singer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer

I've noticed, overall, that much of the denial money trail leads to Exxon, but I don't doubt that all interested parties are complicit in various ways...
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
chemtrails
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:26:29 PM
Stargazer pretty much nailed it. Atmospherics-- various air temperature/density/moisture content. Hot meets cold. Sometimes makes trails; sometimes doesn't; sometimes makes trails that last; sometimes doesn't. The rest is bunk. People with too much time on their hands and all that sort of thing.

Unless... you think I am also one of "them."
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 10:15:31 PM

I am not a self loathing white person...


"The race baiting is deplorable."
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 10/26/2009 9:51:57 PM

The book "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News" by Bernard Goldberg is a comprehensive study of the liberal bias in the media.

*looks in his files of standard arguments used by Bush apologists*

Uhm hmm... ah, here it is: "This is most likely a case of sour grapes." There! Successfully rebutted the entire contents of that troubling book! [sarcasm]

What is more troubling is that whole libraries will eventually be filled by Fox News' very questionable tactics. Thing is, mainstream media is biased, but not the way many people think. It is not biased so much ideologically as it is monetarily. It is biased towards money and corporate media owners and sponsers that provide it. I would bet that even Goldberg's book supports that assertion to some extent.

See:

-military industrial complex and Eisenhower's exit speech
-movie "Why We Fight"
-mainstream media owners
-mainstream media sponsors
-movie "Goodnight, and Good Luck"
-US Supreme Court Santa Clara ruling
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 127 (view)
 
Republicans vote against anti-rape amendment
Posted: 10/26/2009 4:18:20 PM
Basically, they would have to operate under the same laws as companies operating domestically, or otherwise their contract with the US government will be void.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:59:55 PM

Because the whole Obama Administration, and Most of the Elected Democrats are calling out the Republicans and anyone that goes against their issues not just Rep. Alan Grayson.


when the President and leader of your party publicly denounces those opposed to him and his agenda

Cites, anyone? That actually support the above assertions to the letter, I mean.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:59:21 AM

Its funny that the liberals had to quote 2 talk show hosts and only one politician who may have exaggerated to make her point but if you were to read HR3200 you will see that there will in fact be a "board" that will make health care treatment determinations...

You need to work on how you word your arguments. Here:

It is completely ridiculous that one eyed jacks, who represents all liberals on this site and the world in general, had to quote 2 obscure talk show hosts and only one politician who may have exaggerated ever so slightly to make her otherwise extremely valid point, but if you actually were to read HR3200, you will see that she is absolutely correct that it will engender a philosophy towards the weak and helpless not seen since Nazi Germany.


Now, THAT is how you write a distorted argument.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:33:06 AM
Yes... perhaps there is a pattern emerging here. Hmm... what is the underlying pattern here?
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:20:50 AM
Msg 2-- topics on other threads, btw.

I think Grayson's comments are heavy handed and hyperbolic. Knowing Ed's show, he probably did not protest much at all. I would say that Fox News is an enemy to good journalism and its own "Fair and Balanced" label, but a friend to sensationalism and good-looking blonde conservatives.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Rush Was Punked: “Obama Thesis” Hoax
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:13:18 AM

Good comedy, to be comedy, must contain an element of truth,

One of the keys to understanding Limbaugh is knowing when he's joking, when he's half joking, and when he is being serious. When he's being serious, he can be somewhat amusing, but when he's joking, not so much.

Sadly, many of his listeners do not realize he's joking when he announces, "I read all the news so you don't have to."
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Conservative Vs Liberals
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:04:41 AM

Whether it be 30 yrs or 50 yrs,

The difference is not trivial. 50 years ago was before the social revolution of the 60's; it was before the invention of the pill; it was before Roe v Wade. 30 years ago was not. The extremist influence of 50 years ago was McCarthyism.

it is now considered that the people who are religous should be considered extremists.

Distortion. The people who seek to inject religious dogma and doctrine into the political sphere are considered extremists-- or, rather, reactionaries. Ironically, they tend to be the same people who fear the installation of sharia law the most.

There has been a shift in society's perceptions.... and not to the right.

I pretty much agree as it pertains to social issues. But that is the sort of shift that stirs and emboldens reactionaries (see above).

Stating that the main source of opposition to gay marriage would be Christian extremists from the right is misleading.

Possibly, but not just because you say so.

My point was that very often government intervention (whether well intentioned or not), is a contributing factor in hurting small businesses. So.... what we are often told from the left will decrease the gap between rich and poor ends up having the total opposite effect. I'm not saying that the liberal politicians who had asked for these regulations had intended for that outcome, but oftentimes I see it happening.

Yup. But you leave out that this also applies to the right-- they just differ on the more/less regulation part.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Rep. Charles Rangel Fails to Pay Taxes Due
Posted: 10/26/2009 10:15:56 AM
Quite simply, it is hypocrisy-- hypocrisy against the politician's own platform.

I like to say that a Dem being caught in a tax scandal is akin to a Rep getting caught in a sex scandal. Of course, the respective party faithful on these forums always come to their defense somehow.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Van Jones resigns...
Posted: 10/26/2009 9:01:12 AM
See: "no true Scotsman"

Hitler had some valid lifestyle habits, btw, like not smoking and being a vegetarian. I'm not sure of the name of the fallacy that would seek to invalidate those traits.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Conservative Vs Liberals
Posted: 10/26/2009 8:55:06 AM
Ya know, 30 years ago isn't as far back as it used to be, lol. That's just 1979, so I have to adjust my earlier statement. I was addressing the mainstream from 50 years ago. Thirty years ago is 1979, which was approximately the genesis of the "Moral Majority"-- the beginning of the current Christian conservative movement in US politics.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Conservative Vs Liberals
Posted: 10/26/2009 8:41:57 AM

While we all hear about how Christian extremists have been given too much influence in today's political world, I find it laughable to think that a movement such as gay rights would have been given more consideration thirty years ago than today

Christian extremists worked very hard to be "given" that influence, btw. Thirty years ago, gay rights were on the fringe; that is no longer true today. In other words, it was not extremist to be anti-gay rights 30 years ago; it was the mainstream of society.

It isn't that I blindly trust corporations to always do what's in the best interest of society.... it's that I believe that government is run by the same people, and the beuaracracy (and inefficiency) is multiplied. Regulations that are imposed on businesses, supposedly implemented to close the gap between rich and poor, more often increase the difficulty of the small businessman to compete.... therefore increasing the proliferation of big corporations.

See the connection you made in your own argument? Big corporations have way more influence in government than even the Christian extremists or anyone else. It was not meant to be that way.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Rush Was Punked: “Obama Thesis” Hoax
Posted: 10/26/2009 8:21:31 AM
Very little Limbaugh says is newsworthy, but he does bring in the bucks. That is what really determines newsworthiness.

PS Technically, you just joined in on this "mental masturbation thread," as you put it.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Administration plans big pay cuts at bailout firms
Posted: 10/21/2009 11:05:20 PM
Yes, but I wrote that in a similar vein to your "Did their evil know no bounds?" thread.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 99 (view)
 
Republicans vote against anti-rape amendment
Posted: 10/21/2009 10:54:43 PM

Where is the link that says OBAMA does not support the amendment?

Yeah, there isn't one. But I did find this-- it pretty much sums up the rationale of the opposition (note: you need speakers):

http://tinyurl.com/gcpd
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Administration plans big pay cuts at bailout firms
Posted: 10/21/2009 10:43:36 PM
With this move, Obama is unwisely taking away business incentives. Now, who will strive to sit at the helm of corporations that accept bail-out money in the future?
 
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