most dudes have 'no clue' about what the Bible teaches about sexuality!

Perhaps you don't understand what scoundrels the founding fathers actually were.

No...NO... and DOUBLE-KNOW, ...this was never a Christian country *IF* you devotedly study the documents!

... and that evidence keeps this topic in many people's mind as many want to do the right thing!

As the USA is NOT a Christian country when it comes to sexuality most of the time when one meets a suitor you do not nessasarily know where they are coming from!

The human race was not started by two individuals. Evolutionary biology tells us that groups evolve together, so there couldn't have been an "Adam and Eve."

Cain was banished to the land of Nod after murdering Abel. He produced a family (and joined an already existing community).

Additionally, the only other offspring of Adam and Eve was another son, Seth. He also got a wife from somewhere other than Nod.

Monogamy wasn't popular in the old testament. Abraham having one concubine is hardly the best example of this. Nor is Lot.

a brother was supposed to marry his brother's widow.

The point about incest not being so damaging is actually a pretty compelling one. It's actually more of a social taboo than a naturally occurring "bad thing." There are groups that have done studies showing that sex with first cousins actually isn't terrible. On a genetic level. I don't want to know if they tested it on any other levels.

God is actually pretty inconsistent on the whole "monogamy" thing... … but there is alot of conflicting material on the subject.

Poorest Argument? Ok. It starts off with two people... and their children. Then where does it go? Nono, I want YOU to detail out how it would work. Who has sex with who, etc, to produce the widest gene pool.

Then get rid of all that data, with the Great Flood, and do it all again, but with Noah's family.

Translation Msg 157: What does that have to do with Monogamy? That would maybe be another incest argument, but then you have to look who was on the ark. There was Noah, his wife, his sons, and their wives and children. So there would be the assumption about Noah’s grandchildren only being able to take a cousin. But there is nothing about not being monogamous.

There has to be partner swapping going on. There has to be parents having sex with their kids, and siblings involved with each other, in order to REPOPULATE THE FREAKING PLANET!

Any belief that a family could do it by taking their time and just producing kids down the tree, without having to cross onto other family members is just foolish. Any belief that just one couple could do it, without say Adam producing children by one of his daughters or Eve producing children with one of her sons, is foolish. Else there would not be the genetic variety we currently have.

So yes, I have thought this out. I've gotta think that you haven't...

and you put too much stock in that bible of yours.

Ok,,,,then what about Kat Von D???? She's beautiful and talented and feminine,,,not that im anyway near her but my point is shes hot!!!!!

if you believe that Adam and Eve started off the whole race... how do you think this was accomplished with monogamy?

For that matter, how do you think this was accomplished without incest?

But we can let that slide, because God wiped everyone out aside from Noah's family, with the great flood... so this time Noah and his family had to repopulate the planet. How do you think THIS was accomplished with Monogamy? Again, how do you think this was accomplished without incest.

So before you bring God into it, take a good long look at the people he apparently chose to populate the species, and the tools he gave them to work with. You will find that Monogamy is not one of those tools. Sure, we added it into the whole marriage vow thing... but THAT didn't come from God.

Although people have tried to defy God's will and create religions acceptable to poligamy and rude sex. It alwayst runs out that the society is barbaric and crumbles.

Monogamy is it important anymore?

I made it VERY clear that I was interested.

I take it that you are a Christian. since you stated that Jesus is your friend. Do you know what that means? It means that you should model yourself after Christ, to become the example.

You have yet to address this very simple truth, that people make mistakes. You also failed to address my comment about loving someone enough to not want to hurt them which was my entire point from the beginning, that you missed because you were too busy looking to attack someone out of unresolved anger and bitterness at the woman and/or women in your past..

Whether I enjoyed the things that I did or not is irrelevant, I have never enjoyed hurting other people.

Yet you want to say that forgiveness has nothing to do with love? It has everything to do with love. Without love, there would be no need for forgiveness. What would be the point?

I'm done discussing this with you. This visit to your world of black and white has worn thin my patience.

I've never once promoted lying or betraying anyone nor do I condone it.

But you, you are bitter and and angry in your heart which seems to lack very important elements of love.

the elements of understanding and forgiveness.

I would advise you to take some time to heal before getting into another relationship.

Free thinking outside the norm obviously scares the hell out of you.

I know, I have experienced each with and without the other and have been not been traumatized by any of my experiences. In fact, I have enjoyed them all as they were all unique.

I do find it interesting however how you automatically assume that someone with a different has been traumatized.

How can I love someone and be unfaithful? Firstly, the redflag comment came long before I posted that so don't even try it..

excerpt from Msg:316 - especially, especially not if you cheated while together.

I've had animal like attractions, physical attractions to other people while being in love with someone else.

It doesn't mean I love anyless, it just means that I am human. I make no claims of perfection to anyone.

I bet you've never told a lie in your life to some one you love or withheld information from anyone for any reason. To me, that is a red flag. I guess we are even now. Good day!

You probably like the idea of the scarlet letter too.

And trust issues are not a good thing to have. They will interfere with all of your furture relationships and you will continue to blame your ex, regardless of whether she told you or not, whether she lied about it or not because she cheated.

Sex and love are two separate things.

I know I can love someone and be unfaithful.

There are a lot of people that are emotionally and mentally unfaithful, that fantasize about others. Should we reveal those fantasies too? No, because they would hurt. Honesty is not always the best policy and I honestly don't think you have given any real thought to why it isn't or you might agree..

And a guy seeming sex oriented? Oh wow! what a crime! Round them all up and shoot them!

Why? Because I don't agree with your view?

Why don't you and the others explain to me why sucking the wind from someone else's sails in the name of honesty is a better policy?

Knowing who your ex screwed while you were broke up serves what useful purpose?

Do you really believe that your SO telling you first is going to make the pain less painful?

I know what it is like to be cheated on and trust me, I could have lived without ever knowing because once I knew, I started second guessing a lot of things and it forever altered my view about relationships. I questioned my own self worth needlessly when it had nothing to do with me.

As for people finding out later about the other sex that you had well if you didn't crap where you ate it wouldn't be a problem.

I personally can respect some lies faster than I can the truth. But then again, I am not your average, everyday girl thinking inside a stupid box built by the so called moral majority either.

If you really, really want to hurt someone that you love, lie to them and let them find out later, about the other sex you had....

She said, Ok Ron, here's the big secret.

I have lived in HELL ever sence… …She is always on my mind.

No matter what they are coming with issues and I dont know how to make a decision.

Besides, it might not be only me that think this way.

He's too old if he doesn't encourage and support your dreams.. oh wait that's just being an ***hole. there's no age for that.

he's too old if he's over 5 years older than you and you are a virgin.

she'd say Ron, you want to make it dirty when it was a spritual thing going on there.

translation..You didnt even answer the question about poof on moral adult development.

Translation Msg:263 - Or are you basing it on stages of development? You say that everyone is the same on this? Not true. Do you really want me to break out my books and prove to you that not everyone goes through the same stages? Or that some people don’t even get to the adult developmental stages? Because if you really want to go into that, I am very capable in that area.

I already know the general stages of human development..DUH.

You never expounded on why you think an 18 yr old is developmentally ready to have a long term serious relationship with a 30 yr old.

An 18 yr old is also a teen..You never answered to THAT....Id like scientific proof of that please based on research.

Im sure you dont have it..Which proves Im right all along ..Give it up..You cant handle the truth.

Ditto for your lack of stats and resources and research regarding developmental growth of people. Sounds like your opinions about adult development dont make you correct about it at all....You said you had "books" and such to back up what you said....Where are they???

..Now you are just backsliding into opinions only..Looks like Im very correct about developmental growth occuring across the adult life span, since Im the only one bringing any kind of proof here both professionally and academically....Atl least I back up what I assert here about teens......Typical that you cant handle that because you simply dont want to...

translation...Still looking in your post for the word" friendship" coupled with 30 yr old man and 18 yr old woman.

Most want sex and/or often a long term relationships with her...THATS what Ive seen.

The vast majority of 30 yr old men who want ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS with teenagers are emotionally immature.

I said nothing about friendships.....This is the second time Ive said that...Hope you get it right this time, it really not that complicated.

I also NEVER said it was the OP who was sacrificing her youth.

Meanwhile you twisted what I said out of context, quoting me out of context, to fit your persona of me and continued on some stupid tirade of lies.

I was saying LETS move on here and agree to disagree.

Msg:63 - Amazing here about many people think its okay for a teen girl to sacrifice her youth and the rest of her childhood to fullfill the wishes and wants of an immature man almost twice her age....It is indeed still a mans world where a girl cant even grow up yet without immediately be expected to latch onto a man as a couple before shes even grown..Sad, f..cuked up sick patriarchy...

Hold the phone capegardengirl, you need another vacation. Why is it sacrificing her youth? Where it the hell did you get the idea that the man was immature? Where in the hell did you get the idea that she is doing it to fulfill his wishes? Where did you read that anyone was expecting anything from her, let alone to Latch onto a man? Where did you read that? Honestly, I want you to show me. Pick out the post, give me the number. I want you to find anything that the OP has said that justifies one single assumption that you have stated.

You have issues. You have a lot of issues. Bunches. Lots. Many. Holycrap. Issues.

I've recently come to realize that women generally aren't going to bite, scratch, hit, or otherwise injure me on a "first meet.".

How ever I think not all people are bad, and still believe you cannot judge them until they have done you wrong.

But i dont know what it is.

Ritawayward - A person of any age can make the choice to NOT repeat bad experiences by NOT doing the same thing the same way, if the results are undesirable.

capegardengirl - That says more about your control issues and need to be right than anything else..No wonder you want a young girl who wont challenge your authority.

In fact, about 90% of women come to me regarding relationship problems.

EVERYONE goes thru that pretty much in the same sequence of processes… …nordic..Developmental needs ARE for every single person on earth...They apply to EVERYONE......That includes the OP.

Ditto for me too.....DUH....Funny how people will twist what you say in order to continue playing their games..At no place did I say all 30 yr old men who befriend 18 yr olds are sexual predators....

Translation...You really need to deal with your bitterness and anger and resentment.

Its just a matter of time before they break out of that.

Im sure you will attack that and somehow take it out of context to justify your false assumptions and need to be "right" , which is why Im done.

I hope you find some peace in your life to counter the hate you seem to have inside.

take it out of context to justify your false assumptions and need to be "right".

We've grown to be good working partners and friends. That's all.

When you work with someone in a professional setting that you are attracted to, how do you ladies keep up the professional stance without having to walk on eggshells?

Guys, what do you think would be the best way to handle this if some chick you work with has a crush on you. How would you apprecaite this being handled?

On the contrary… …Im living in a new state… …BTW...I did go back to college full time as a 33 year old to earn a Masters degree.....I can assure you it was far less scarey than as an 18 yr old undergraduate...

We are willing to try new things.

Youth, especially young women, are much more worried about how they look to others and what others think of them....The peer group is still ultra important to them.

I do what I can to learn from my bad experiences! That is what makes me smarter as I age.

We have a certainty about ourselves and what suits us, an automatic self care, an easy comfort in own skin and a self confidence that may be threatening to some, but most certainly absent in an 18 yr old.

you would look exactly like solid snake.

You're not going to get much smarter as you get older. You're just going to have so many bad experiences.

c'mon people.

demanded to see their house, ID, place they work, divorce decree, and as well had run a criminal background check on them.

he was never available after 7pm.

it seemed so perfect.

Why would you be intimate with some guy who hasnt shown you his world, but only talked about it?.