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Thread: New Wave
geeleebee
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New Wave
Posted:
11/27/2009 6:01:34 PM
'Hello, children; can you say 'xenophobia'?'
Especially when we have a President that claims to be of Muslim Faith, and says our Country, is NOT a Christian Nation...
Link, please.
A real link--not one of those hateful-hate-filled emails that some folks love to pass off as 'truth' because they're simply too...limited...to understand the reality.
Again...the United States is NOT a 'Christian Nation'.
Never was.
Isn't now.
There is so much just...
wrong
...about that whole message (#2--how Freudian), that to address all of it would require more time and patience than I have.
Suffice it to say that...oh, hell--it's all crap.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/27/2009 11:15:08 AM
This isn't about popularity.
Wearing a headscarf is part of the Muslim religious expression.
Here is one Muslim woman's reasons for wearing the headscarf--NOT that she needs a reason other than she is expressing her religion in a way that reflects her beliefs.
1. Modesty. When dressed in a covering way, I am not showing my physical attributes (or perhaps lack of) to anyone. People are forced to judge me by my actions and speech, by how well I do my job or how I interact with others, rather than by whether or not I am “good looking” and interest them.
2. To that same end, my beauty is then saved for my husband’s full enjoyment and he knows he does not share me with anyone. I am not out getting a lot of attention from others that may make him feel insecure or that is disrespectful to me.
3. I am noticeably different, a Muslim. Most people respect that. They can clearly see that I am not the kind of woman that you whistle or cat-call at, nor am I going to agree to meet you in a bar or club, nor can you proposition me on the street or in the office. There is a level of respect that men give me whereby they do not treat me in the same way they might treat other women they meet and believe they can “get with”. In fact, in my case, I find that many men (yes, non-Muslims) are more gentlemanly with me in general. I have more doors held open for me, paths cleared for me, more assistance when needed, and an overall respect given to me.
4. Wearing the head covering works to remind me of my duties. I am more likely to be a better person when I am covered because the headscarf is a potent reminder to me of what type of behavior and attitude is expected of me. I am less likely to lose my temper, more likely to be kind and forgiving, in difficult situations.
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam/DIELayout&cid=1154235126891#**1
geeleebee
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Kill the terrorists!
Posted:
11/27/2009 9:35:26 AM
'How many bodies per mile...'
That hit me like a lightning bolt--I've never heard it expressed that way. Thank you.
I've always apprecitated your perspective on matters, but this morning, you posted a concept I've never even imagined.
If people could see our involvement in the Middle East oil fields as 'BPM', maybe--maybe--they would wake up to what the United States wanted to really accomplish in Iraq.
Thank you.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/27/2009 9:17:16 AM
Are leather shorts part of your religious expression?
If not, then your point is moot.
Muslim women--and some Jewish women, as well--wear scarves as part of their religious expression, and that is the point of this thread.
This is not about Muslim women 'accepting western values and customs'; it is about Muslim women having their customs respected.
This is very much the same thing as pulling a yarmulke off of a Jewish man's head while he's standing in line at the grocery store.
It simply should not be done.
(Big difference between a ski mask and a scarf)
geeleebee
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New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death.
Posted:
11/26/2009 3:07:16 PM
I wrote that those who are true followers will have nothing to do with such hateful and violent acts against our leader, or anyone for that matter.
Right--'true followers'.
And my point is that there are those who firmly believe that
they are 'true believers'
who will follow the edict to pray for another person's death.
Sorta like those Christians who kill abortion doctors.
Those murderers believe that they are doing the right thing by killing the doctor.
The label 'true followers' means nothing when those followers follow the admonitions of church leaders to pray for the president's death.
It doesn't matter that other Christians would never obey such a command--it only matters that those who seek the death of another, based on some convoluted perception of what is Christian, will do just that.
Extremist behavior doesn't limit itself to Islam.
geeleebee
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New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death.
Posted:
11/26/2009 1:56:04 PM
...they are either ignorant of Christs commands or disobedient to them. Either way, Id say its more than safe to say that what we have here is false professors of faith, using the name of Christ, nothing more.
Very convenient for those who think they're the 'real Christians' and who know better than to pray for the death of anyone, regardless of how much you dislike him/her.
Not so convenient for those who follow along blindly praying for the death of a sitting president, and who think they're doing the right thing because, after all, a 'Christian' preacher is the one giving the call to prayer.
Yes, we know that this is
not
a Christian act--realistically though, those who pray for Obama's death believe that they
are
Christian.
Now, whatdya do?
geeleebee
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Would you serve on the jury?
Posted:
11/26/2009 11:57:33 AM
You see I too was once like you project yourself in your posts. Full of myself, judgmental, angry, and hateful. But I've learned things in my experiences with all kinds of people over my life. I learned that you can't form an opinion by looking at something through a tunnel... that there are things outside of view that tell the true story. I broke free from that self importance, hatred, and anger and I can tell you that it feels phenomenal. Sure, I thought I was just fine, happy, and justified but it wasn't until I let go that I learned that when I was like that not only was I a miserable person but that I also made those around me miserable.
So yeah, there are people that realize their true place in this world and know that we're all part of a whole. Giving people too much credit I am not always right, but I am wrong a lot less than when I sat up on there on that self made pedestal with you.
Thank you for posting such a refreshing, honest self-evaluation.
Making decisions from an angry perspective serves no good purpose, and it keeps us locked into a 'my way or the highway' mindset, which leaves no room for even attempting to view things from an opposing perspective.
I think Cotter also gives something for us to think about a couple of posts up^^^there.
Anyone who has already decided that they know the facts of any case cannot, in good conscience, sit on a jury.
geeleebee
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Take back control of our taxes
Posted:
11/26/2009 10:09:40 AM
...increasing troop levels now in Afghanistan. I oppose him on that completely and would say so publicly, at any rally, or to his face. It's a huge mistake. I agree that there should be protests and such, anti-war protests for example; because if not, then it is a glaring hypocrisy on the part of the liberals in so far as they know damn well that if McCain had won and was now increasing troop levels in Afghanistan they'd be out in force on the streets...
I agree with this ^^^.
It's time to pull out of Afghanistan--we'll never 'win' in the sense that the Taliban will be defeated, never to be seen or heard from again.
The issue of Afghanistan is something Obama campaigned on, to focus on Afghanistan--so it isn't so much hypocrisy that the Left isn't protesting, as it is the acceptance that Obama is fulfilling that declaration. We knew that he would be sending troops into Afghanistan--no one is pretending otherwise.
Personally, I believe that Afghanistan is a lost cause--our troops need to be brought home, and the people of Afghanistan need to decide how to run their government without our soldiers being present.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/25/2009 5:54:53 PM
Islam is a Religion not a Culture...
Thus spake Zarathustra...not.
There are those who would differ with you about Islam being solely a religion and not a culture--they, in fact, practice their religion, Islam, as a culture.
Culture is defined as a people’s complete way of life. It consists of all the ideas, objects and ways of doing things created by the group. Culture includes beliefs, customs, language and traditions (World Book Encyclopaedia).
While there are numerous cultures and subcultures present in the world, of primary concern to us in this discussion are the two main opposing cultures in present-day society.
One is the culture of Islam — the “complete way of life” set forth in the Qur’an and Sunnah
. On the other opposing end is the Western culture. Both cultures present a “complete way of life.” However, both ways of life differ drastically.
The difference in the two cultures stems primarily from the source of the cultures. Islamic culture — the way of life of a Muslim — is defined by the Qur’an and Sunnah. It is the culture of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam). It is that way of life upon which he established the Sahaaba (R.A.) after having turned them away from the culture of jahiliyyah (ignorance).
On the other hand, Western culture is fashioned by a host of people; Capitalists, atheists, people who believe in same-gender marriages and others of a similar nature. Such people determine the decadent culture of the West...
http://www.missionislam.com/family/culture.htm
Just saying...
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/25/2009 1:36:13 PM
Definitely racially motivated hate crime is a problem but perhaps if we've prosecuted the long existing crime of general assault by anybody against anybody appropriately, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I agree with you.
Actually , it did happen... Somewhere in Europe , I Believe.
There was Ideology , and thought ,
That so threatened them
the attempted to eradicate all traces of it (and no , despite the similarity's , It wasn't called a "Fairness Doctrine")
They went so far as to burn the writings, and sent the authors to "Camps"(No , i'm not referring to the "Fox Channel")
Can't tell you how much I hate a cryptic message.
WTF?
Who is 'them'?
What 'writings' were burned?
Are you talking about Concentration Camps?
Sheesh.
Just say what you mean...
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/25/2009 12:25:55 PM
...an issue that society needs to be able to work on itself thus implicating government deeper into our daily lives.
Nice concept--that citizens could solve the problem without having to involve the government.
Not gonna happen.
If it could happen, it would have happened long before now.
If there are members of said society who believe that it is within their rights to attack another member of said society based on racial/religious/sexual orientation reasons, then that society needs to have the government step in--clearly, those citizens don't understand that it doesn't promote the safety and well-being of their society when they attack others for the reasons stated.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/25/2009 6:17:03 AM
Because of the origin and original intent of the Laws many feel that Whites male Christians can not be victims of Hate Crimes......
'Many feel'?
What does a 'feeling' have to do with the law?
And, regardless of how 'many' have the 'feeling', a Hate Crime is a Hate Crime is a Hate Crime.
The
law
is clear about what constitutes a Hate Crime--White folks included.
White male Christians can, indeed, be victims of Hate Crimes.
HC Laws might have originated during the Civil Rights Era, but times have changed, and the laws have evolved to accomodate those changes.
'Real damage' isn't limited to a physical attack. If it were, then yelling 'fire!' in a crowded theatre would be allowed.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/24/2009 5:02:25 PM
Its funny to see all of you supporting Muslims based on your limited experiences while bashing those with limited experience who are fearful of Muslims...anyone who doesnt think that Muslims want to change the World and that they simply want to be a part of our Culture should look at England as an example of what they really have in mind....ever hear of Sharia Law? I can't believe someone held up Turkey as a Country that repects Christianity...
It is the height of arrogance to presume that those of us perportedly 'supporting Muslims' are doing so based on 'limited experiences'.
Speak for yourself.
I don't recall anyone saying that Muslims want to be 'part of our culture'.
They have a culture of their own.
They simply want to be allowed to live in that culture and coexist with other cultures without invectives/epithets or violence being directed at them
because
they are Muslim.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/24/2009 6:37:40 AM
No , really , I am a Jew. So what I'd like to know is why I'm given special status should I be murdered.
Your murder would be bad enough, but the fact that you were murdered
because
you are a Jew makes it a Hate Crime.
The 'special status' given to Hate Crimes puts the spotlight on the ugly underbelly of that faction of our society who prey on those of a different religion/race/sexual orientation from themselves.
You aren't murdered/bullied/tortured because you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but because you are, for example, a gay Jew. Specifically because of your homosexuality and your religion.
Not because you are a man, but because you are a homosexual man.
Not because you are a woman, but because you are a Muslim woman.
Not because you are a child, but because you are a Jewish child.
And, thank God for the media, without whom these crimes of ignorance and hatred would simply be one more, 'gosh, that's too bad'.
geeleebee
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Would you serve on the jury?
Posted:
11/23/2009 8:28:38 PM
I would serve on the jury.
Like Cotter, I am interested in what those on trial will have to say.
I do have concerns about keeping those involved with the trial safe--glad that's not my responsibility.
Yup--I'd serve.
Or the left , explaining 44 million abortions
I'm on the Left.
I've never had an abortion.
I don't have to explain anything to anyone about abortions.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/23/2009 7:08:19 PM
Hate Crimes are a Joke..they were created by Liberals to punish the White Establishment....
Link, please.
I posted some statements by the Attorney General of the United States in regards to Hate Crime Laws..It seems that he believes that these Laws should not protect White people..of course they were deleted by the mods....
One person's opinion.
is tugging someones Scarf a Hate Crime?
Yes, it is, if that person is a Muslim woman.
Who cares?
Anyone who doesn't like to see another person bullied or hurt by the actions of a xenophobe.
crimes should be judged by the damage done to the victim...so it hurt her feelings, was she harmed?
Are you Muslim?
Do you understand the significance of the head scarf?
no, she was just pissed cuz someone didnt like her because of her religious garb..
She may well have been 'pissed'.
And, she may well have been offended by having another person put their hands on her because of her religion.
Unfortunately for all the Kumbya singing hand holding people in our culture people are people we have different beliefs, prejudices, opinions etc.....Funny to see the people labeling this a Hate crime and speaking out about the wrongness of judging people while these same people refer to Conservitives as "Teabaggers" and worse....it was barely even a Crime at all ...tugging someones scarf...Please...
If someone called you a 'teabagger' and then put their hands on you in a violent manner, it could very well be construed as a hate crime.
Your 'different beliefs, prejudices, opinions, etc', end where mine begin.
geeleebee
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Is this a Hate Crime ?
Posted:
11/23/2009 6:22:38 AM
Clearly the woman was attacked because of her religion--the attacker was obvious about that by the things she said before she yanked on the scarf.
Based on the law, that constitutes a hate crime.
Anyone who is attacked because of their race/religion/sexual orientation is the victim of a hate crime--and that includes Caucasians.
It's come to this because we've been told that 'stick and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me', and we've ignored the ugliness perpetrated on certain of our fellow citizens. It starts out with bullying with words, then escalates into something physical, as it did in the OP.
I'm glad to see these acts prosecuted.
geeleebee
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Next Election and Obama
Posted:
11/22/2009 11:47:39 AM
Uumm there might be about 3000 new yorkers , who might disagree with who started the war.
But , they can't anymore
Um, if one is talking about the war in Iraq, then one should be aware that the Iraqi people did not attack New York.
If one is talking about the war in Afghanistan, then one would surely know that it was widely reported that Osama bin Laden has been living/hiding there for years, which is why the United States went there.
geeleebee
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Take back control of our taxes
Posted:
11/22/2009 11:14:08 AM
Geeleebee...paved roads ? police and fire dept ? that's all you think taxes pay for ?...thanks to Wudger i know how to spell gullible and thanks to you i know who is.
Oh, for crap's sake.
Did I say, 'This is ALL our taxes pay for'?
Did I say, 'These are the ONLY things our tax money goes to'?
Duh.
No.
Along with 'gullible', you might want to look up the definition for 'obtuse'.
geeleebee
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Take back control of our taxes
Posted:
11/22/2009 9:59:55 AM
The function of government has to be agreed upon. As well as what are the BASIC requirements of a successful civilization.
Read the Constitution of the United States, recently?
It contains the agreement for the functions of government.
What you're talking about is changing the functions of government--most likely 'cuz you're pissed off about paying taxes.
No one I know likes to pay taxes, but we all like to drive on paved roadways, we all like to send our children to public schools, we like having a police force and fire department.
There are now laws in place that do the opposite and violate peoples human right to life and freedom. ie: marijuana does not hurt anyone, driving without a seatbelt doesn't hurt anyone (but that's another thread I think). The laws we have to enforce rules which do not harm others cost us alot of money as taxpayers.
Are you for frickin' real?
Read about the toxins in marijuana--want to smoke a bowl? Go for it, but know what you're inhaling before you say it doesn't hurt anyone.
Ever been in an emergency room when they bring in someone who's been in an accident and WASN'T wearing a seatbelt?
Visit the morgue--they'll show you what happens when you don't wear your seatbelt.
Don't wear your seatbelt--get into an accident--go to the ER--stay in the hospital--costs what? Thousands of dollars--no insurance? Gosh, too bad, 'cuz now WE have to pick up the tab.
...can we change our mind? Elect to govern ourselves?
Ever read a history book?
What you're talking about is anarchy--no laws, 'cuz I'm not going to agree with your idea of 'what's fair', and you aren't going to agree with mine.
As has been pointed out several times, VOTE.
Don't like what your elected representatives are doing?
Contact them--VOTE them out the next time.
Campaign for the other guy.
Protest--it's very American, you know.
But, seriously, educate yourself about the functions of government and your role in the that government.
geeleebee
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/21/2009 3:43:06 PM
These reports have NOTHING to do with GW and the lies his administration told about the war.
The reactions to these reports have EVERYTHING to do with hypocrisy.
If anyone is being two-faced it's those that keep say since GW did it and no one complained then what is the problem with Obama doing it. GW's approval ratings were in the mid 20s when he left office.
'...those that keep say (sic)...'
As pointed out, ad nauseum, it isn't about the reports--it is about those who steadfastly supported Bush when he lied to the country--the world--about the non-existent WMD who are now castigating Obama for reports that he was given.
I don't give any size shit what Bush's approval ratings were.
When will people realize that Obama needs to start working on doing more accurate research, report gathering and putting this out to the public instead of all the misstatement, non-truths and lies that we have been getting the majority of the time.
THIS is one of the major problems with those who disparage Obama--that lack of research, and the eagerness with which those same people post polls and articles from dubious sources.
THIS is one of the most blatant examples of hypocrisy on this board.
Yes I consider that fact that we are only getting the whole truth 20% of the time from Obama to mean we are not getting the whole truth the majority of the time.
From where does this percentage come?
What is the source?
Where is the link?
This erroneous fraudulent report on stimulus jobs created or saved has nothing to do with GW or the Iraq war. So quit trying to compare Obama deceptiveness to GW's.
TFB. Not gonna happen.
Those reports from the states had nothing to do with Obama, himself. The states turned in their information--or lack thereof--to the Obama Administration.
Again--just as Bush trusted his advisors, so does Obama trust his.
No WMD?
Not Bush's fault.
State numbers inaccurate?
Not Obama's fault.
Majority of Americans were not happy with the disingenuous deceptiveness in DC and the Bush administration and us Americans should not have to put up with the Obama administration being disingenuously deceptive too.
I am not happy with the disingenuous deceptiveness by some of the posters on this board.
'Us' (sic) (We) Americans on this board should not have to put up with other posters who post lies and misinformation, and who are disingenuously deceptive in reporting poll results and other teabagger/birther/he's a Muslim claptrap.
Yet, here we are.
And here we will stay to confront those lies.
geeleebee
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/21/2009 11:24:34 AM
The problem with your argument is that you are basing it on your own assumption and conclusions about whether or not Bush actually lied about WMD's...one would have to be agreement with your postion in regards to the WMD's issue for your allegations of Hypocricy to be valid.....regardless of this it is not relevant to the discussion, the thread is about the Obama administration and their puproseful dissemination of fradulent reports....
The problem with my argument is that...I'm not presenting an argument, I am presenting my opinion.
Bush lied about the WMD.
Colin Powell lied about the WMD.
I don't care if you are anyone else is in agreement with my opinion.
The accusatioin--not allegation--of hypocrisy stands, regardless of whether or not you or anyone else agrees with me.
For someone who doesn't deem my opinion to be relevant to the discussion, you've certainly responded to it enough times--is that another example of hypocrisy?
I'll have to ponder that.
geeleebee
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/21/2009 9:59:09 AM
GW's ending approval ratings were at the bottom of the pile due to the same crappy dishonest deceptions that the Obama administration is pulling right now. But since GW did it, it's ok for Obama to do it; give me a fricking break.
I feel as though I have to type v e r y slowly...
Lying to the American public is
not okay
, and that includes any and all public figures from the Federal level down to local government.
The point...one more time...I am making...which should be obvious to even Helen Keller at this point...is that the same people who revered Bush are the same people who are now castigating Obama for allegedly doing the same thing Bush did--lying to the American public.
Obama' record of not telling us the whole truth has caught up with him, and Obama just doesn't seem to understand that many of us Americans are getting fed up with it the deceptive practices in DC. Obama just doesn't seem to understand that many believed in his promises last year to end the deceptive practices in DC.
Nothing has 'caught up' with Obama.
Some on this board have an obsession with posting disinformation--debunked lies, rumor, BIG lies, damn lies, stupid-don't-you-know-that's-been-proved-wrong lies.
And--those same people continue to believe those lies.
Hypocrites--and just a little on the dumb side of life.
I do understand that it's waaaay more fun to continue to promote Obama as the symbol of all that is evil and wrong with America.
I understand that some folks simply are not intelligent enough to fathom the depth of the issues America is facing.
Which is why it is easier for some people to post the aforementioned lies--they get to post with the big kids, and they get to feel like they're sitting at the adult table.
It's shallow thinking, but it's all they're capable of doing.
geeleebee
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/21/2009 9:11:12 AM
Maybe that is what Obama should have done, cover up the mistake in reporting and tell everyone that if they do not believe the numbers then maybe they would be looking at a giant mushroom cloud and to question him would be unpatriotic.
Seemed to work for Bush.
An excellent suggestion--mushroom cloud.
It's still working for Bush.
Hypocrites.
geeleebee
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/21/2009 8:20:47 AM
Ok so what if they are being hypocritical what does that have to do with the state of the Economy and Obama administration dissemenating false numbers?....as intelligent as your are do you really believe that the administration thought those numbers were accurate? or do you think that maybe they were trying to make it appear as if Obamas "Stimulus" plan isnt the failure that it is turning out to be?
The 'so what' is this: What kind of credibility does one have, when one is shown to be a hypocrite? On any level? Answer: None.
You can't implicate Obama in a plot to disseminate false numbers, without implicating his predessor in a plan to disseminate false reports of WMD--which resulted in a war.
Again--my point was simple.
Hypocrites can talk out their a s s all day long--they have no credibility.
Period.
I don't know why or how the numbers were falsified--I don't have a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory about the White House like some seem to have.
I'm sure those that do will be arriving in their black helicopters any minute to fill us in on the most recent Obama outrage.
Predictable.
geeleebee
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/20/2009 8:42:07 PM
So basically you are saying, Obama will never have to accept responsibility for any detrimental contributions to any part of the countries woes. That's rich.
Basically, you are telling me what I am saying, instead of asking for clarification, and you are wrong.
Nowhere in anything I've posted have I said that Obama will never have to accept responsibility for 'detrimental contributions'.
My point--which I thought was rather obvious--is that those who disparage Obama are hypocrites if they are the same people who excused Bush by saying, 'He didn't have the correct information.' 'His lie was inadvertent.'
Saying that Obama lied about the numbers that the
states sent to him
, while at the same time excusing Bush for the WMD boner is hypocritical.
Got it?
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/20/2009 7:25:46 PM
Many are getting tired of Obama's misstatements, flawed reports, inaccurate reporting or whatever one wants to call all the untruths Obama and his people keep spurting out.
If you--general 'you'--are one who consistantly posts flawed polls, rumors-as-truth, and just-plain-lies about Obama, then your--general 'your'--credibility with regard to what is truth is severely impugned.
States reported inaccurate information; that situation is being rectified.
Bush started a war based on inaccurate information; absolutely nothing can be done to rectify that.
"Stop bringing up Bush!"
Seriously?
Not gonna happen.
As long as lies are spread about Obama, as long as you continue to post flawed disinformation as truth, as long as everything Obama inherited is blamed on Obama, we are going to continue to stink up the room with the rotting corpse of George W. Bush, and we will continue to fling his foul defecation back onto your side of the yard.
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/20/2009 5:01:10 PM
You-all crack me up.
The 'yeah, buts' are hilarious.
You definitely see something...
Yes, indeed. I see all those whom I expected to see jumping all over the premise that a president is as honest as his information is correct.
It was good enough for Bush, it is good enough for Obama.
Bush did inadvertently lie to us.
Ohhhh--isn't that cute?
'Inadvertently'...big important word, that.
Again, a president is as honest as his information is accurate.
Good enough for Bush, good enough for Obama.
Since Obama does have a PHD one would think he would know how to do some fact checking...
Since you obviously do not have a PhD--neither, by the way, does Obama--one would think that you would do some fact checking...just sayin'...
For all that education and along with the experience Obama said he had, Obama sure does throw out a lot of erronous information in his speeches and reports that come from his administration.
Could we insert the name 'Bush' for the name 'Obama'?
Uh...no can do.
Cuz it was obvious from the git-go that Bush didn't seriously partake of the fount of knowledge...and his experiences included owning a baseball team, so...nope, no can do.
The states gave inaccurate information.
Bad on them.
The president accepted that information.
Bad on him.
People who are calling him out as a liar because of that are hypocrites.
Bad on you.
It's been swell, kids!
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/20/2009 6:21:44 AM
Giving out false information to the nation in a deceptive manner is lying.
This information came from the WH administration which is under Obama, the buck stops with him.
I knew someone would come up with this^^^. Thank you.
Yes, the buck does, indeed, stop with the president.
I'd like to remind people that the president is only as good/honest as is his informtion source.
He depends upon his advisors to give him information/feedback/data/statistics in order to make the decisions for which we elected him.
When that doesn't happen--when the information the president receives is inaccurate--it appears as if the president lies to the American public.
The shoe, it seems, is now on the other foot.
The Pot, it seems, is a black as the Kettle.
What's good for the goose, it seems, is frickin' hilarious to the gander.
When those of us who spoke up about then-President Bush lying about the WMD in Iraq, we were told that he had been given inaccurate information--it wasn't his fault.
'It wasn't his fault'.
'He had been given wrong information'.
'He did not lie to the American people about the WMD'.
Thank you for proving that President Obama did not lie.
In fact, he is incapable of lying.
It isn't his fault.
He was given inaccurate information.
He didn't lie to the American people.
His information source was tainted.
We see the Light.
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Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted:
11/19/2009 7:18:54 PM
So why do you keep insinuating that they lied, when it is common knowledge that it was an error in the reporting of the numbers?
James, James, James...The reason certain people keep repeating untruths is because it's the only way they can belong to the 'Bash Obama' Club.
Here's what is going to happen--you posted links and stated that nowhere in those links did anyone say that Obama lied.
You aren't going to get a response from the person who claimed that Obama lied, but there WILL be more links posted and more assertions made that Obama lied AND, when you point out, quite rightly, that Obama did NOT lie, they will post even MORE links...
It's a cycle--kinda like the Life Cycle, only this
Lie
Cycle only benefits those who continue to pay their dues to the 'Bash Obama' Club.
Here is a lovely parting gift for you
And thank you for posting.
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Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted:
11/19/2009 4:13:55 PM
A mother desiring an Abortion, should have to face the reality that if she cant keep her legs closed,..or at least use "Protection",..then its her responsibility to pay for an Abortion,..NOT the Governments.
This is not the abortion thread, but once it's brought up, seems like it just devolves into the same old worn out arguments.
That said; the above quote is beyond disgusting and sexist.
Unless you--the writer of said quote--have never--not even one time--had sexual intercourse, then you have no foundation upon which to stand your sexist self.
I have been in sexual encounters that were unplanned yet consensual--meaning both the man and myself agreed upon the sexual act.
The man was half of the act.
Get it?
He was there--he dropped trou--WE had sex.
Let's rephrase your quote:
"Unless a man and a woman are prepared to accept that a pregnancy could be the result of their sexual encounter, they should keep their pants on." That, at least, adds the man into the sexual equation.
'Cuz, the woman...did not...become pregnant...all...by...herself...
From the Washington Post:
Since 1976, Congress has annually approved the Hyde Amendment, which bars the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or danger to the woman's life. Some states, however, use state funds to pay for procedures in other cases for poor women...
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted:
11/16/2009 8:55:02 PM
What I find f a s c i n a t i n g is how 'some' read a thread, and then go all 'mavericky' in their 'thinking'. 'Fear'? Seriously?
How does one read 'fear' of Palin into anything that has been posted on this thread?
What HAS one been imbibing to come to such a farfetched conclusion?
'Driving up book sales'? Obama supporters? Again--seriously?
One does not have to be an Obama supporter to be critical of Palin's book.
One only has to read what Palin says, and then read what the other side of her stories is saying--it's already being put out there--again, before that book even graced a book shelf.
If one writes a biography, one should tell the truth--in this day and age, it is often a simple matter to discredit the 'disremembering' that Palin has published.
And discredited, she is.
Fear of Palin?
Hardly.
Flabbergasted by the Palin-train-wreck-that-never-ends?
Oh, most certainly.
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Lou Dobbs quit because of left wing hatred.
Posted:
11/16/2009 6:47:32 PM
If all it took was a little hatred on the part of the Left to get Dobbs off the air, why are Limbaugh and Beck and O'Reilly still on?
Seriously--catch that Clue Bus.
If CNN hadn't wanted Lou Dobbs off the air, he'd still be there. Dobbs has outed himself as a serious xenophobe--is it only the Left that sees xenophobia? Is practicing xenophobia only particular to those on the Right?
Dobbs isn't going anywhere--he's going to be practicing his Free Speech rights, and some will be practicing their right to hate what he says--it's just another one of those fun cycles in the world.
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted:
11/16/2009 6:26:25 PM
'fire starters'
Brilliant!
I have to admit that I was shocked when the 'other side of the stories' started to come out before the book even hit the shelves.
What a sad endorsement for Palin.
As for Lynn Cheney--my guess is that she' s got titanium balls, and her husband's are in her purse.
(double-bagger!
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Obama drops the ball...again.
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11/16/2009 6:22:15 PM
Why, you're wrong, of course.
When one asserts that the President of the United States believes that his country is a 'disgrace', then a link is a must. One can 'imply' whatever one wants, but when one uses a specific word and attributes that word to a specific person, the proof must be shown.
And, yes, I do know the difference between 'support' and 'zeal'; do you need a little help with the vocabulary?
Do you have a link that shows Obama apologizing to the world for the actions of the United States?
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Obama drops the ball...again.
Posted:
11/16/2009 5:08:28 PM
Seems really strange that Obama spent millions of dollars, more than a billion by some records to be the president of a country that he thinks is a disgrace to the world and himself.
To me that says that one doesn't have a good opinion of themselves or don't understand economics very well.
Most people don't spend that kind of money for something that humiliates them so much that they have make numerous excuses for it in their speeches to the world.
Check your reality.
Please post a link to the site where Obama used the word 'disgrace' in connection with the United States.
Do you understand the difference between 'humilitation' and 'humility'?
Just sayin'...
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted:
11/16/2009 5:00:37 PM
"...crazier than a crackhouse rat..."
I think that Palin's book is selling for under $5.00 because when all of the retractions come out, people will be able to afford to buy those as well. They'll have a lovely companion book. Sorta like those books that explain the books of the Bible.
Or like Cliff's Notes...In fact, I'm gonna wait for that retraction book to come out and read that, then I won't have to read the original.
"...crackhouse rat..."
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted:
11/15/2009 6:55:37 PM
The Reality is that as hard as the media tried to vilify Palin they did not accomplish much of anything...
Mainly because there wasn't much of a challenge, there. Palin was her own worst enemy. You betcha.
Palin in 2012 is a non-issue.
I'd like to address the 'Palin is a great orator' thingy, but I'm laughing too hard...maybe later...when I catch my breath...
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Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted:
11/15/2009 6:51:41 PM
It isn't about crediting the military--it's about recognizing who the shooter is, and which people just happen to be carrying a weapon on base and decide to use said weapon to defend themselves--against...whom? How do they know who the enemy is?
The point has been made that if everyone had a weapon, and everyone saw someone else shooting, who is going to know
for a certainty
who the bad guy is?
This is not a gun control issue. It's an issue of knowing who you're going to shoot when you believe your life is in danger.
I don't know you from Adam, but if I saw someone get shot and I pulled out my gun, and then I saw you with yours, you bet your ass I'd be pointing mine in your direction.
Did you shoot the person I saw get hit? No? How do I know that?
You would have your gun pointed at me at the same time, meanwhile, the real shooter is tearing it up, and other folks with guns are looking at each other crazy.
If I have a gun, I'm going to shoot to kill--I'm not messing around.
How will I explain that to your family?
The Fort Hood situation is deeper than 'gun control'.
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Politically correctness
Posted:
11/15/2009 6:14:50 PM
would another guard have done the same thing in the same circumstances...? I would say the odds are in favour of yes...
I wouldn't call it incompetence... more "wrong place, wrong time"...
Yup--and my point is that is didn't matter what sex the guard was--ANYone would have/could have made that same decision, therefore, political correctness doesn't come into the mix.
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Politically correctness
Posted:
11/15/2009 5:12:49 PM
If the prisoner was supposed to be put in shackles and his guard decided against using them, this isn't a case of political correctness at all--it's incompetence.
Incompetence knows know difference between male and female.
In this situation, the guard--a woman, but it is of no import--did not use shackles when escorting a man who was taller and who clearly outweighed her.
Her incompetence--perhaps a bit of over-confidence?--got four people killed.
Anyone know what happened to her as a result of those deaths?
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted:
11/15/2009 5:06:37 PM
You only attack someone if they're a threat, so clearly the left/liberals perceive her as a valid challenger should she decide to run in 2012...
Serious chuckle material, that.^^^
It's what we tell the little boys when the girls tease them, "She's only doing that, cuz she likes you".
Back to reality: No, you don't only attack someone if they're a threat, but, if a person views disagreement as 'attacking', then of course they think that way.
It's an immature way of looking at opposing views, but it seems to be de rigueur for some folks to cry about being 'attacked', when in fact they were merely on the opposite end of a disagreement.
I hope to Heaven that Palin runs in 2012--not cuz she's a 'valid' challenger, but because by then we'll be wanting another easy win.
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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted:
11/15/2009 1:46:04 PM
It has nothing to do with being in 'lockstep' with Obama.
It has everything to do with having the ability to lead this country, should the unthinkable happen, and the president dies during his/her term.
Palin simply was not that person with that ability--she couldn't finish her only term as Governor of Alaska--I don't want that perfectly manicured finger on the Red Button.
Not everything comes down to Obama, much as some love to bring it all around to him.
I liked John McCain and seriously considered him to be 'the one'.
Then--along came Sarah Palin and her fancy pageant walkin', and my McCain vote went buh-bye.
And that whole 'attack' thingy?
Goes both ways, and it's hypocritical to suggest that only those who don't agree with Obama are the only ones under fire.
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Obama drops the ball...again.
Posted:
11/15/2009 10:55:37 AM
We rushed into Iraq.
People died--many of them were children.
I'd have appreciated a little 'dithering' on Bush's part before we invaded Iraq.
This isn't about provoking an emotional response--it's about understanding how the decision is made to send more troops and at what ultimate cost.
I'm trusting Obama and his advisors--which includes the generals.
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Obama drops the ball...again.
Posted:
11/15/2009 10:40:48 AM
What 'ball dropping' of our president?
He is meeting with his advisors.
He is considering the situation from all angles.
'****footing' around?
By carefully considering all the possible outcomes?
How is Obama 'hurting' our service people?
When peoples' lives are at stake, you certainly do NOT rush into a situation without knowing all you can.
Are you even aware that his commanders know that no new troops will be sent into Afghanistan until Spring of 2010? And that they have said they support Obama?
Or...as is typical...is this just another attempt at running with the big dogs by insinuating that Jo Citizen has more information than the President of the United States, and we should be deferring to her?
Clue Bus--tickets available.
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Obama drops the ball...again.
Posted:
11/15/2009 9:29:19 AM
Another Angry Troll Morning...
These people volunteered to serve. When you denounce their Commander-in-Chief, you attack them personally. End of story....
When I denounced Bush, I was denouncing BUSH, not the troops.
When I'm pissed at the paperboy for dropping the evening news in a mud puddle, I'm not pissed at his parents--see the difference?
Bush designed and orchestrated the invasion into Iraq (see? like, he threw the newspaper into the puddle).
I am disgusted with Bush--the whole 'newspaper in the mud puddle thingy'--how could I be disgusted with the very people who defend our freedom--rhetorical question.
Best drop that approach--it's not going to hold water with anyone who feels the same way about how/why we went into Iraq.
As for oil revenue--read up on PSA--Production-Sharing Agreements.
As for the premise the actions undertaken by Bush were "unconscionable"....can you name for me.....one time, any time whatsoever whereby the entire nation was 100% behind any military conflict?
Staying on the topic of Bush--I repeat; his actions with regard to Iraq were unconscionable. Had he come forward and said, "We gotta git rid of this monster who is killing his own people", the American public might--might--have supported that.
He didn't. I don't.
We weren't going to win Vietnam?
Read history. Not hard. Small words. Clear point. Not-gonna-win.
Once again, you proved my point....you wanted us to lose...
Dude--I have friends who left body parts in Vietnam.
Do NOT suggest that I wanted that to happen.
Do NOT suggest that I wanted the United States to lose so much as a fingertip of one soldier.
Do NOT make this personal.
...and count the bodybags as they did under Bush so you could try and denounce the conflict at hand. By the way, where are those bodybag counts during this administration? Suddenly that is a distant memory.
Dear God, in Heaven...
Personally, I have a count of those whom I have known who came home from Iraq and Afghanistan in body bags, so don't fvck with me about body bags.
I know why we went into Afghanistan, and I supported that.
Now, it's time to pull out. Again, we are in a situation where there is no 'win' for the United States. That most precious of resources--our troops--need to be brought home.
How many times have you heard of a Christian strapping a bomb on themselves and then boarding a bus full of Moslem children? It simply does NOT happen.
How many Iraqi children have been killed during the time we've been there?
If even one child died as the result of our attack on Iraq, then your point is moot.
Can't continue to address the Palin issue, 'cuz I laugh so hard I can't type.
How about, 'quitter'.
Yeah, that suffices.
As for Alan Keyes--you decided that he 'offended' me.
You may think you deal in 'facts'. That thought and $4.00 will get you a latte.
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Obama drops the ball...again.
Posted:
11/14/2009 10:18:23 PM
Oh...dear...so much wrong...so little time...
When 'we lefties' denounced Bush, it was in no way a reflection of how we felt about the military--I have family who served, and I am very proud of them for volunteering to do so.
When I was disparaging of Bush, it was aimed solely at him--the military buck stopped with him, and sending members of my family into harm's way for NO good reason was unconscionable and one of the most evil acts perpetrated on mankind during my lifetime.
We ARE 'occupiers'. Where have you been living the past several years?
The left loves the military?
Read above--I love my family--I love my friends who currently serve in the military.
Stop generalizing.
Funny, how many conservatives/republicans do you know that called our Vietnam Vets..."baby-killers" upon serving their nation? How many .....? I'd be interested in knowing again, how many Conservatives request to bring home the troops, prior to victory?
Calling all Troglodytes--it's time to come out of your caves and join the rest of us in THIS century.
Vietnam is over--long over. We weren't going to win when we went in, and we sure as hell weren't 'winning' when we pulled out--minus friends with whom I had gone to high school, and the leg of another friend who made it home after being shot by 'friendly fire'.
One bad Muslim doesn't represent the entire population.
Just as, thankfully, one angry xenophobic frothing-at-the-mouth American does not represent the entire population of the United States.
Post a link to the information about Bernard Shaw.
As to the second diatribe posted:
deal with the anger issue. Seriously.
Sarah Palin was not qualified. Period.
Referring to the president as 'The Kenyan Experiment' is shallow and reeks of xenophobia.
Alan Keyes?
seriously?
?
Alan Keyes
?
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Obama wants his war options changed
Posted:
11/14/2009 7:26:09 PM
Seems there is a heavier present of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Appears that the Taliban have a permanent present in 80% of theAfghanistan.
"...a heavier present..." How much heavier is their present? We talkin' pounds or
just ounces? Why do they get a heavier present?
Discrimination!
Racists!
This is not politically correct!
We need a new thread to discuss the heaviness of their presents!
"...a permanent present in 80% of the Afghanistan..." The Afghanistan
what
?
Finish the sentence--I'm dyin' to know...
And what the heck is a 'permanent present'? Herpes?
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Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted:
11/14/2009 4:34:51 PM
Looks like he didnt need any help waging his own version of Jihad.....the trial of Terrorists in regular court is a farce....
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant, wasn't it.
Wonder for a minute or two what might have been the outcome, had Hasan gotten the help he obviously needed.
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Obama drops the ball...again.
Posted:
11/14/2009 4:31:12 PM
Absurdity...Obama's detractors have cornered the market on the absurd.
Bowing is a show of respect, especially in Japan, and Obama is well-mannered enough to know this.
What does it imply about those who are horrified by this act of respect to a world leader by another world leader?
How low does one's self-esteem have to be to feel threatened by our president bowing to Japan's Royalty?
How small is one's heart and mind to begrudge such a sign of respect?
All Americans are not rogue cowboys who delight in going all mavericky.
Some of us simply accept a custom for what it is, and don't read New World Order conspiracy into it.
In fact, in Japan, people bow to one another, instead of shaking hands.
Seriously--read a book or something.
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