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 Author Thread: Just let it go or say good bye?
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Just let it go or say good bye?
Posted: 1/27/2009 10:32:34 AM
People come and go, no need to worry about it.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
~Conscience~
Posted: 1/19/2009 4:23:12 PM
I think our "conscience" is just our sense that we've done something that we might get in trouble for.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 11 (view)
 
How long can you date without being exclusive?
Posted: 1/19/2009 4:21:58 PM
Forever, I guess.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
why do people stay on POF after meeting someone?
Posted: 1/19/2009 4:19:46 PM
I guess to keep their options open. It's not as if you have to quit everything you're doing in life when dating someone.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
How will I know when I've found ME?
Posted: 12/8/2008 8:12:10 PM

I asked when someone knows themselves


I just want to go on record and say that no one really can. If they think they have, they are deluding themselves. And these guys you're dating don't know what they're talking about.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
How will I know when I've found ME?
Posted: 12/8/2008 7:58:42 PM

Write down everything you remember from the perspective of a story teller


We are not our past though. And also, our ability to accurately recall events is shady at best. The search for self is hopeless, because identity is fluid. We are a slightly different person every day of our lives.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 6 (view)
 
How will I know when I've found ME?
Posted: 12/8/2008 7:55:01 PM
Maybe there is no definitive "You"

And they can't understand that.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 24 (view)
 
women with children
Posted: 11/23/2008 3:17:23 PM
Why do you date women with children in the first place?
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Is being flexable......a sign of weakness?
Posted: 11/23/2008 3:11:07 PM
Not in Jiujitsu.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Why can't I accept defeat? Real advice or input needed
Posted: 11/23/2008 11:49:45 AM

One of the aphorisms in selling is to stop selling once the deal is made. The sale happened, and so what came next was not a failed sale but a return of merchandise or a cancellation of service; a failure to renew a contract or nullification for cause. Had you been offering and never managed to show him how your product met his needs, that would have been failure to sell. You succeeded in the original sale. You got him to accept your product to meet is needs. Then he found, for whatever reason, that the condition of having his needs met was not happening. Maybe the initial set of conditions present at the time of sale were met, but then subsequent conditions arose that a continuance of the relationship could not meet except by ending the relationship. Sales are events and relationships are ongoing transactions. Being good at showing the relationship between the customer's needs and your products is a good sales skill. Delivering on the promise made in the sale is about performance to specification, which takes ongoing maintenance. It sounds to me like you have sales down and then your reaction to customer dissatisfaction is to sell again, that being the skill you have on hand to apply. But that is not the skill to apply past the sale. Next comes the skill of performing the service that was sold to the customer. That skill is to be able to monitor conditions to tell if needs are met and providing for those needs as indicated. It's the same underlying principle of meeting needs but applied with different skills. And you may find after the sale is made and the performance begins that it is not in your best interest to continue providing the service. It could be a losing proposition, and if so, then trying to renegotiate the terms and sell the customer on a different service would fail because the deal is structured according to what you can deliver but not what they need.


This.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Friendship with a married man.. good idea or bad?
Posted: 11/23/2008 10:45:33 AM

I called time on it when I did because I have been the hapless, oblivious wife who didn't have a clue what was going on right under her nose


Ok, this is a more honest response. You did what you did because you can empathize with the other woman.

But that's a self interested decision, not an ethical or altruistic one.

Then again, maybe his wife doesn't care as much as you did, we don't know the whole story here.

Maybe she likes the fact that he comes on here to be intellectually intimate with someone else so he's not cheating on her IRL.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Friendship with a married man.. good idea or bad?
Posted: 11/23/2008 10:33:47 AM

There is a lie in a relationship that if you cross, you are putting that relationship in jeopardy


Explain to me how it's YOUR problem if he's the one taking the risk?

You're not responsible for the decisions he makes.

I think the reality of the decision this girl made was that she was competing in something that was overly complicated and she didn't feel up to it.

She makes it sound like it's an ethical decision. It's not. It's a tactical decision.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Why can't I accept defeat? Real advice or input needed
Posted: 11/23/2008 10:29:41 AM
MsMicki, I think you underestimate the power of manipulation.

But I do agree, she can either cry about it or do something about it.

And I think the motivation behind relationships change as people get older because they realize they can't play the game like they used to.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Why can't I accept defeat? Real advice or input needed
Posted: 11/23/2008 10:16:42 AM
I couldn't disagree more with what ItsMargo just said.

Winning and losing is a terrific way to look at relationships because it gives you a set of objectives to either obtain or not. Like a checklist.

Once you've gotten what you wanted, you will feel indifferent to moving on.

In this case, she got her game plan confused and either she didn't set the objectives or just didn't follow through in achieving them.

So now she has a choice; walk away, or try to get a rematch. And that choice is entirely hers to make.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Why can't I accept defeat? Real advice or input needed
Posted: 11/23/2008 9:55:25 AM
So maybe you shouldn't accept "defeat" and instead try to plan a way to set a trap.

What you need now is a picture of you with some other guy.
 Machiavel31
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Friendship with a married man.. good idea or bad?
Posted: 11/23/2008 9:53:20 AM
That was kind of a prudish move.

This is the internet. You think because a guy gets married he's never going to have feelings for other women?

C'mon. It's a victimless crime.
 
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