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robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 15 (view)

ANSWER ME THIS Posted: 5/25/2006 1:35:40 AM
Give the guy a break, he is only 23. Lifesaver, not ALL girls get their kicks from this. As a matter of fact, it's really not most womens nature to 'get attached' just for kicks. It's most likely that they realized that you just weren't for them and they try to let you down easy. Don't get angry over this. Just move on. Your going to meet many women that are not what your looking for. Don't go out looking for your soul-mate. Have a good time and let it happen naturally. Good Luck!

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 41 (view)

whats with all the guys ? Posted: 3/26/2006 8:29:11 PM
A woman dressed almost naked wants sex, Not true pops. A woman dressed almost naked wants attention and recognition. Women don't need to dress scantilly to get sex. As for the threads question, it's a bit of an inigma. Being truthful about that will usually get them nowhere. And this is the wrong site for that kind of truth. Therefore, either they are not too bright or maybe new at the game or some other motive only known to them. The deceptive ones are usually transparent. But I keep reading posts from women over and over again how they were deceived. Ladies please, follow your instincts and watch for the inconsistencys of these men. All the clues are there from the beginning if you just pay attention.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 48 (view)

Whats wrong with... Posted: 3/25/2006 8:58:34 PM
The sharpest clearest thinking minds with the best reaction time, are unaltered ones. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we were all happy with what we have and didn't have the need to take anything to make us "feel" different. Absolutely. Your phrase speaks truth. "whats wrong with....." is a fox in sheeps clothing. It sounds innocent but more often than not, it has life altering consequences. I don't drink and drive because I discovered that I was not very good at it and the possible consequences were not worth the risk. But I have had people tell me that being under the influence of pot does not alter their driving and even enhances it. All I can say to this is they either need to find a new dealer or the pot now a days must not be as potent as the stuff we had in the 70's, because I couldn't concentrate on more than one or two things at a time much less drive a vehicle when I was under the influence.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 47 (view)

Whats wrong with... Posted: 3/25/2006 7:56:42 PM
This usually happens when you over-fertilize and under-water. LOL! But seriously, the under-watering part, very true!!

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 41 (view)

Whats wrong with... Posted: 3/25/2006 2:01:38 AM
There are many out there that want pot legalized. Have you ever really given it some deep thought as to what that may be like? To start, you will have the government involved. I'm sure not just the FDA either. It will be regulated and taxed, and I'm pretty sure alot. There will be a lot of hands in the pot at the top. Most of the government agencies will want a portion of the taxes and don't forget the State needs their piece of the pie. The FDA will probably make requirements as to quality and strength. Of course they will have to do massive testing to 'weed' out any harmful effects and probably have to put in some additives to make it safe. This may be good or bad. You may end up with really good shit because it's pure or crap because they have taken all the good stuff out of it. Oh, and don't forget the special interest groups that are against it and will work their hardest to put more and more regulations, control and taxes on it. And the end result will probably be what? Everyone is buying it 'black market' which of course will be illegal. I guarentee you that it will not be Amsterdam. You could pose that same question to a lot of vices. Whats wrong with a little gambling? Whats wrong with a little coke? Whats wrong with a few drinks? What's wrong with a little flirting behind your wife/girlfrinds back? The answer: nothing, as long as thats all it is and stays. The problem with vices is that they usually don't stay "a little". Personally, I don't care for pot. It kills brain cells and makes me stupid. And thats just too much competition with all my other vices that have 'dibs' on them brain cells. I think that the phrase "What's wrong with......just a little" is just people giving themselves an excuse. And it's even worse when a youngster has friends using that phase coupled with peer pressure.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 30 (view)

Human Evolution Posted: 2/26/2006 5:38:15 PM
I am not one to buy the theory of evolution in humans.... Evolution is not a theory, it's a fact. In humans and weasels.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 22 (view)

If Christ was married, would it make him less.....perfect? Posted: 2/22/2006 7:52:43 PM
Thank you Alaska. I get that 'holier than thou' stuff all the time. There seem to be a lot of people that think their interpretation of scripture is it. It just doesn't make sense to me that God would have us do things a way different to what he himself practices. Tell me Sum, whose image did he make Eve after? Also, according to scripture, a man and a woman are supposed to become as one. Completeness.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 17 (view)

If Christ was married, would it make him less.....perfect? Posted: 2/21/2006 8:51:32 PM
If Christ had a wife or mate for the reasons you stated then I would think that the real question is whether God has a wife or mate. I personally believe that Christ was indeed married and I also believe that there is a Mrs. God. Genesis 1:26 states 'Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness'. The whole creation concept was towards man and women being a team. Why would he create this concept without living it himself. Also, after Christ's resurection the first person to see and know who he was was a woman. He didn't have the same physical apperance but she still knew who he was. I think this is pretty significant. I also think that it is pretty significant that he only showed himself to her and the disciples.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 18 (view)

Human Evolution Posted: 2/19/2006 1:40:46 AM
It relies on accidents of variation and the idea that only so-called advantageous traits are rewarded with survival is untrue. Evolution will always be. The fact that our DNA is the code that makes us who we are physically is also what makes evolution exist. The process of evolution is very slow and usually takes thousands of years. Opinionator is correct that it relies on accidents of variations. These accidents are mutations in DNA. An example would be that if a certain group of moths were all white and there came a mutation in the DNA of a new born moth where its color was black. The birds could not see the black one at night as well as the white ones and so this moth survived and its off spring inherited this trait and they also were able to survive more so than the white ones. Over time the black moths outnumbered the white ones and eventually all the moths were black. This benefited their survival. The process of evolution has also been termed as 'survival of the fittest'. However, history shows us that many people have been born with gifts that would be beneficial to human improvement but due to jelosy and fear, these people are shunned and even killed. Evolution is not always good but can occur because of a particular environment. A good example is Sickle Cell. People with Sickle Cell cannot get Malaria. This is why it is so prevalent in Africa. The point is that if I lost an arm, my offspring would not be born without an arm. If people didn't need or use their fingers, that doesn't necessarily mean that the next 'wave of people' wouldn't have them.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 211 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/12/2006 8:27:49 PM
Oh, he got a few other things out of it - money, power, lots of women. OK, I'll give you the power part. But you are going to have to give me more than just words about the money and lots of women part.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 210 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/12/2006 8:21:42 PM
Axyl, I believe that you truly are seeking Christ. I appreciate that. That being said I just want to say that all religions and people have their way of interpreting scriputure. I'm OK with that. I am just happy that they are doing that when there are so many bad things in this world that they could be doing. My feeling about religions is this, if the end goal is to promote God, love, peace and goodness, I am for that. So lets work with that as our goal. You keep quoting scriptures that state that faith is all you need. I will accept that in this manner. To truly have the faith that Christ speaks of, you will also need to have the works. Did Christ just preach about loving one another or did he live the words he spoke? There are many out there, including Mormons, that talk the talk but their talk is just that. They say the words but their words are empty. I don't believe that just saying you believe is enough. I believe that we need to show it in the way we live and how we treat each other. I think that debating scriptures on this subject is really pointless. I can pull scripture after scripture about the works part out of the Bible but in the end all scriptures have their place, reason, purpose and meaning. The 'big picture' is what we all need to focus on. My definition of the 'big picture' is this: What did Christ preach over and over in his sermons? Answer that and live that. There are many that believe they do just that. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to belittle, only to humble people. There are many good people out there that belive and study scripture and go to church but when someone cut in front of them while driving, did they turn the other cheek and let it go? Did they offer to cut the grass or shovel the snow of an elderly neighbors house? Do they visit the sick and elderly and offer service? Did they hear some juicy gossip and not judge or repeat it? I could go on and on with little minor daily living things of this sort and I will guarantee you that even the very best of us can find something they do or did to another. This is what Christ preached and this is what faith and works is all about. Basically, the majority of the Bible is about works. Which book is right the book of Mormon or the Bible, Mormons use them both? ..... its not about destroying Faith but strengthening it.... Which book is right? If you are asking this question to the Mormons the answer would be that they are both right. Mormons use both and a few others. As for your other quote, that is exactly how the Mormons view using both books. It helps to strength their faith. Joseph Smith couldn't write so maybe the real meaning got lost in the paraphrase, it's possible! This quote is ambiguous. Assuming that JS wrote the BOM, we have 531 pages that people from all over the world have read and found inspiring, but yet JS couldn't write.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 206 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/11/2006 9:57:43 PM
Mormons higher ups have been caught stealing money from the church to pay for the boats and huge mansions and what not.FACT! Wow! You know the Boy Scouts of America has one of the highest rates of sexual abuse from their leaders. I guess that must be a policy of the BSA. Don't condem a whole nation for the actions of a few. The Mormon church does not advocate stealing.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 205 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/11/2006 9:44:55 PM
Oh, good grief Axyl, look up tith in you Bible topical guide. There are many references to tithing. What do you think Cain and Abel were fighting about? Why do you think lambs were offered up to God and the temples for?

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 204 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/11/2006 9:19:40 PM
The Mormon Church is widely misunderstood and has a lot of myths and stigmas attached ranging from the exaggerated to the bizarre. I really don't understand why some people feel this need to talk badly of the church because of some of their beliefs. Things like the undergarments they wear, or the Temples being closed to non members, or the JS story of divine revelation, or the early practice of poligamy, or their belief in Baptizm for the dead. What great harm are they doing to anyone with these beliefs? Many don't believe that the Book of Mormon was transcribed by JS from plates of gold given to him by a heavenly being. Fine. If you have ever read some or all of this book, and believe that he created it himself, then you would have to admit that he must be a genius or a heck of an author. But in the end, what was his gain? What was his motive? I guess the only thing you could say he got out of it was martardom. In any religion there are going to be things that appear strange or different. For those that truly have an open mind and really do want to learn about other religions, you are in luck. Because of computers and the internet you can explore and read about the pros and cons of everything. It's bad practice for anyone to hear or learn about something and assume that it's the truth. Many innocent people have been lynched, crucified, and so on, just because of rumors. Everyone has to responsibility as a human being to open mindedly seek the truth before judging. The Mormon church teachs good morals values with great emphasis on family unity. The term used 'backward way of life' is just laughable. Because the religion emphasises staying away from things that harm your body and soul such as drugs, acohol, pre marital sex, and so on, you say its backwards? The religion emphasizes charity, service, and watching out for one another. I know there are some that have story's that might contradict these things but remember, I said THE RELIGION advocates and teaches these things. You are going to find many Mormons that do not always practice what their church teaches. If people were sinless, there would be no need for any religion. But people are human and sin. As for preaching, well, the Bible is full of that. From Abraham to Jesus to his disciples, who he sent out to preach.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 203 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/11/2006 8:01:37 PM
I just found out from some missionaries that they believe the head of the LDS church to be a prophet called by God. I thought it was just Joseph Smith. You learn something new every day... When JS was killed, Brigham Young was called as the new/next prophet and so on and so forth. The prophet today is Gordon B Hinkley. This should not be surprising. Even in the Bible there were prophets after Abraham and Moses to name a few. The Catholic Church calls a new pope/prophet/head of the church upon expiration of the last.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 136 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/7/2006 2:44:33 AM
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast". James 2:16-26 Read that and explain to me why it appears to contradict what you quoted.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 132 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/6/2006 11:33:02 PM
I have been told that the Mormons also believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. Mormons also believe that WE are also their brothers and sisters and that God is our father.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 98 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/4/2006 11:53:32 PM
Barnbabe, why are you letting him get you so riled? If you read all his postings in this thread you will see that he likes to confuse and redirect. This is typical of people that just want to argue. It seems to make them feel superior. He continues to say that no one will or can answer his questions, when in fact they have been answered several times. He just hasen't gotten the answer HE wants. The best way to deal with him is to just ignore him. There are many postings in this thread that speak well of the church.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 39 (view)

Do women really think they can attract a man with thier perfume? Posted: 2/4/2006 3:54:50 AM
That's what the advertisments tell us.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 93 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/3/2006 11:28:59 PM
Biblical scholars and theologians from all the different denominations in Christendom got together and agreed to agree that one book was needed. It was compiled see post number 55 for a basic outline. Were they divinely inspired? Are you sure they got them all? Do you see where I am going with this? The quotes from the Bible on not adding on are meant to not add on to what that author has written. God has inspired people many times to write his word. After the Bible was compiled did that end his divine inspiration to others? Thats untrue the authors of the books of the Bible did not know that their works would become the Bible nor did they have aspirations that one day they would. That is not what I said. I said that the authors of the books of the Bible believed their writings to be divinely inspired. My version of retort is a witty thought out comeback to your response and it is not prepared as of yet, sad that you would get hung up on semantics. Wow. Witty and thought out? The defensive attitude of I'm assuming adherents that I've talked with thus far is anything but inspiring to myself and others following this thread. Why when people try to answer your questions do you assume it as being defensive? I guess this is just another of your 'witty and thought out' comments. I have compiled most of your questions. 1. Does the Mormon church teach that one can be saved only 'after all we can do'? 2. Why do Mormons have secrets? 3. Why do Mormons collect pebbles throughout their lifetime believing them to be planets they will rule as God's once they become a God? 4. Why do Mormons control what the young men they send out as missionaries read? 5. Mormons believe that they are on their way to becoming like God in that they will become God's? 6. Do you really think you will become a God? 7. Didn't Satan want to become a God which started the whole fight in the first place? 1. I don't quite understand this question. Please elaborate. 2. I don't know of any secrets that they claim to have. Please elaborate. 3. This was answered. It's untrue. 4. This was answered by Fit Brit. 5 and 6. Mormons believe that they may aspire to become Gods, not that they WILL become Gods. 7. Are you asking if Mormons believe this or is there some point to this question? Mormons do believe that Satan wanted to be the Lord of this world and it did cause a war in heaven. I'll ask again is that possible? It is only possible if you yourself will listen to the answers to your questions. Your questions have been answered by myself, and others in this thread. Just because you don't like the answers does not invalidate them.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 89 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/3/2006 9:37:22 PM
Why do Mormons collect pebbles throughout their lifetime believing them to be planets they will rule as God's once they become a God? LOL, you know for someone that claims to be someone that does not just blindly believe in the opinions, ideas and beliefs of others, you sure got hussled on that one. Where did you ever get that idea? Hey, you know its been said that Mormons have horns on their heads. Why do Mormons have secrets? Why do Mormons control what the young men they send out as missionaries read? Honestly, you really need to do a little more research on the Mormon religion. You made a statement earlier in this thread to someone that being defensive just shows you that they are wrong. How ironic that you appear to be trying desperately to use unfounded information to dis the religion. If you want ammunition, I could give you a lot better stuff then what you got. Do you know that the Mormons also believe that there is a Mrs. God? Genesis 1:26-27

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 88 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/3/2006 9:11:07 PM
You are arguing with yourself here and miss the point it is Mormons that believe that Joseph Smith who was a man had divinely inspired words from God. And yes I believe the Bible to be complete in its entirety. I am not arguing with myself or anyone else, I am simply replying to your post. If you feel that this has become an argument then I really don't care to be involved. My point about the Mormons believeing that JS was divinely inspired is not whether anyone believes it or not, it is that the Mormons believe it to be just as all the authors of the books in the Bible also believed their writings to be divinely inspired. Your remark about your belief that the Bible is complete in its entirety needs elaboration. Do you mean to say that King James was divinely inspired to know just what books to put together in order to compile the Bible? If Mormons believe in Jesus Christ which I'm sure most do, why do they need extra doctrine that is not recognized as divine except by themselves? The Mormons believe The Book of Mormon backs up and validates the Bible. I really don't understand why this bothers you so much. It's not like their 'extra' doctine is saying evil things that corrupt people.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 56 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 2/2/2006 9:23:06 PM
Mormons believe that Joseph Smith's writing are divinely inspired truths and additions to the Bible. When in fact, additions to the Bible are forbidden (Deut.4:2; 12:32; Prov. 30:5-6; Gal. 1:8; Heb. 1:1-2; Rev.22:18-19). So are you of the belief that everything that God has to say has been said in the Bible? Your quote states that God is saying you cannot add on to what he has said but yet in your quote above you say that Mormons believe Joseph Smith's writing to be divinely inspired. Therefore it is not man but God's additions. Also, the Bible did not come about as one book. It has many authors that were divinely inspired. The reason it is called the King James Version is because it was King James who had all the books in the Bible put together as one book. If your mind is as open as you say then I would think that you could see the flaw in your quotes about additions. What is your interpretation of teachable? Mine is an open mind that is willing to accept other data then previously believed and not have an agenda of any kind like recruiting another to Mormonism. This statement is so contradicting that it basically tells me you are reaching. Didn't Satan want to become a God which started the whole fight in the first place? Who won that fight? Oh yeah, Christ.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 49 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 1/28/2006 9:20:31 AM
My friend speaking not me Julie... I have been a member of the Church for years I'm a little confused Julie. You said something about being Catholic and now this post. Also, who are you responding to?. You made some references to some things I said but I don't think you are directing your last post to me.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 63 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/28/2006 9:10:58 AM
the idea here is quite the converse of the purpose of the other thread, this is why this thread hasn't been deleted for being redundant. You all are really over analyzing this. I'm having a hard time reading through your posts. I like what your saying.....I think. I really do want to understand what your saying, so maybe you could break it down for me a little. Anyway, the reason I started the thread is because reading other posts in the Religion forum, I got the impression a lot of the time that if you are a christian you most likely don't believe in evolution and vice versa. I wanted to see if that was the case. It appears from the posts in this thread that thats not the case. Most of you are OK with the idea.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 46 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 1/28/2006 7:58:47 AM
'dishonest lying corrupt bunch of people of of one religion' 'caffeine was bad for you so thier members were not allowed to drink coffee or cola products with caffeine' 'Also( now don't be shocked) The morman chuch also owns companies like Fred Meyers, ZCMI. Budwieser. and the Phillip Morris tobacco company' 'I have seen them turn down request for help from elderly and sick and disabled members who could no longer help themselves' How about the truth. Yes, how about the truth. Just saying words does not make it true. As for the first quote, you will find dishonest, lying, corrupt people in every religion. But you should not condem the entire church for the actions of a few. Next quote, the church has what they call 'The Word of Wisdom' in a book called The Doctrine and Covenents. It warns the members about partaking of things that are bad for the body. There is nothing in there about caffeine or coffee for that matter. The things said about caffeine and coke are just some members interpretation on the Word of Wisdom. It is true that the church does have stock and interests in some companies but I would like you to show me where they own or have stock in budweiser and the tobacco company. I absolutely do not believe your quote on turning down elderly and disabled members. the mormons and and their politics. You have a valid point on this one. For some reason the Mormons in Utah are a lot different from the Mormons anywhere else. I refer to the city of Logan, which is 90 miles north of Salt Lake City, as Little Russia. If you come across Mormons now that you don't live in Utah anymore, you will see a difference.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 45 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 1/28/2006 7:21:35 AM
.....Not allowing non Mormons into the temple during weddings..... It's not just non Mormons, many Mormons can't go in the temple. You must be a Mormon in good standing. Things like smoking, drinking, not keeping themselves morally clean are just some of the reasons a member of the church would not be allowed in. The reason is simply that the Mormons belive the Temple to be a holy place of God. You also mentioned that the Mormons believe that to go to the 1st tier you must be a Mormon. They also have one more tier. It is where the 'sons of perdition' go. There version of Hell. They also believe that you would have to be a Mormon to go there.

robinladen1

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Msg: 44 (view)

Thoughts on Mormons....anyone? Posted: 1/28/2006 7:02:25 AM
"Is Mormonism Christian?" No. Mormonism is not Christian. Blah blah blah, The definition of Christian is 'someone who believes and follows the teachings of Christ'. "mormon" aka The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, puts Christ at the head of the church. I think that pretty much makes them Christians. As for the way 'mormons' interpret the bible, it sounds like you have alot of interpretations of your own. As for being a cult. Here are some difinitions of 'cult' 1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. 2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual. 3. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. I would say generally speaking they do fall into the 'cult' definition. Many are fanatical and obsessive about their religion. They also try to steer clear of worldly ways and in that sense I guess you might say they live in and 'unconventional manner'. You sound like you have a personal problem with them.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 134 (view)

Anti-black Racism in Religion! Posted: 1/26/2006 12:19:03 AM
There are alot of sources that prove that the original biblical doctrines had come from black African people (the original hebrews). In answer to your question, No, it would not change my beliefs. It really doesn't matter. I am, however, curious to see where these sources are.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 23 (view)

pervs? Posted: 1/25/2006 11:58:43 PM
Hey! What's wrong with being a perv? 'perv' has a broad spectrum. I don't believe there is anything wrong with being a perv. I'm sure we all have a little 'perv' in us. But there is a lot of bad 'perv's out there.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 33 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 11:37:37 PM
but I have to follow my heart and soul. Rose, I don't believe that it is important what your belief is on the hows and whys of the creation. That also is not the "Big Picture". I'm sure that if God thought it was important, he would have elaborated. Be good to yourself and others and you will always have God. God Bless.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 32 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 11:23:50 PM
Evolution states nothing of the kind. We share a common ancestor with apes Thank you Wonk, nicely said. I don't want to go into the Darwin/ape thing because it would take too long. But I will say this, Darwin got labeled with this and in reality this was not his belief.

robinladen1

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Msg: 31 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 11:15:23 PM
Rose, I am not saying you are right or wrong about these earth ages. You stated that a person denies God and the creation by bringing evolution into it. The creation as told in Genesis cannot be taken literally. It took more than 7 days. Do you believe that God could have created it in 5 seconds? I really don't know but the fact that it was told and broken down by 7 steps tells me that God is organized and does things by a process, not with a wave of the wand.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 29 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 10:48:40 PM
No flack, it's just false logic, plain and simple. "begging the question" or "circular reasoning" .....when you throw the word science into a statement and cloak it in fallacy, ....it's dishonest and deceitful. I think that its a lie to cloak your belief in God by ignoring the facts. If God created everything, then he would be the father of science. To take the great work that he/she has done and make it look like a 'magic trick' and not give him the credit he/she is due is dishonest and deceitful. Your reference to raising children is good. The biggest problem with following ideas like this is that the people having and raising the children are generally young and naive. I would really like to see more money and resources put into these areas of education.

robinladen1

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Msg: 22 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 10:12:35 PM
Rose, OK, now your really confusing me. You believe the creation as told by Genesis, right? It says that God created the Earth in 7 days. Afterwhich came Adam and Eve and so on and so forth. How is it that the Earth and dinasours were here before he created it? In fact, why doesn't God mention the dinasours? It says right from the start that "the earth was without form and void". It doesn't say anything about "earth ages". I'm not necessarily dissagreeing with your because I do believe that the earth went through different phases while God was creating. I believe that the "7 days" were not like our 24 hour days. I believe that they were phases.

robinladen1

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Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 9:57:00 PM
Rose, It's more than good. It's incredibally perfect. The human body alone is a work of art. Take a course in physiology and anatomy and you will come to see that there must be a higher power out there that conducted all this. It's science that validates God for me because I would have a hard time believing that it's all a magic show. I don't know if you have children, but would you give them rules and guidelines that you yourself don't adhere to? I believe that God made the rules and laws of science and that it would not make sense if he did not have to follow his own laws. (for some reason I think I'm gonna get a lot of flack on that statement)

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 19 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 9:44:12 PM
Thank you Flyguy, I'm going to look up those references.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 18 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 9:43:31 PM
if you want to pick your targets better, take aim at physics. Lol! Thank you late, especially for your response about the 'apes'. Rose, I never want to fight or argue religion, so please don't take offense to anything I say. I only mean to discuss and get other opinions and ideas. Your remark about the apes makes me think that you should read up on it. If you follow the Bible chronologically, it would make the Earth less than 10,000 years old. The fact is we know that the Earth is millions, (I'm being conservative) of years old. It's not just a theory. It's not going against God to believe that he created scientifically as opposed to 'magic'.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 15 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 9:23:54 PM
Rose, I take it that you believe that the creation as told in the Bible is "literally" how it came about. I respect your opinion. In the New Testament Christ always taught in Parables. Parables is an excellent way to speak and teach because it's easier for us to understand whats being taught and it's more captivating. Our brains learn knowledge by association. Because of this, you cannot interpret the teachings of Christ in a literal sense. You need to understand the symbalism. I tend to think that God, not wanting to bore us to tears, may also have given us the most basic explanation. I don't think that HOW the creation came about is necessarily "The Big Picture". I believe in God and I believe that he is the greatest scientist. I would never look at something as great as the creation as just 'abracadabra'.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 11 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 9:04:09 PM
Hello late. I'm not quite sure what your trying to say but I will respond to your response. I'm not trying to say that the "defintions" of the two are the same or even in the same category. I'm only asking, why can't someone that believes in the teachings of Christ also believe in evolution. I don't understand your reference about the scientists barging into churches. The fact is that most scientist DO believe in a higher power. I do, however, see a lot of the clergy getting up in arms over evolution and much of the studies in science.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 8 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 8:45:50 PM
Thanks for your reply Info, I was curious if there were some Christians out there that believe that way. A lot of Christians refuse to believe that there could be errors in the Bible.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 6 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 8:37:17 PM
I could not believe in God if I thought he/she did not have to follow his/her own laws. It wouldn't make sense and it would make him/her an unorganized god, in which case I don't believe that he/she could have ever created anything. Think about it. If God were to explain the entire process of the creation, it would probably take up an entire library, the information would be beyond our comprehension and very few people would ever get past the beginning of Genesis.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

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Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 8:33:47 PM
The reason I ask this question is because I am a Christian and a firm believer in evolution. But reading many posts in the religion forum, I see that most people consider the two to be totally different or opposite.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 3 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 8:28:00 PM
Hello Blue. Why not?

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 33 (view)

Was GOD created by man, or man by GOD! Posted: 1/25/2006 8:26:30 PM
Oportunist and cons will use anything that people will fall prey to for their gain. But I don't believe that if man did create god, it was for that purpose. Humans have a desire or need, if you will to find reason or purpose for their existance. One of the unique things about the human is that, unlike animals and lower forms of life, our brain can think beyond rules and laws. We can reason and learn and make choices based on our knowledge and feelings.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 1 (view)

Can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Posted: 1/25/2006 8:10:25 PM
In your opinion, can a Christian also be an Evolutionist? Feel free to give quotes and your reasons.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 59 (view)

What is a witch? Posted: 1/6/2006 5:23:43 AM
So tell me, how do you become a witch? Can anyone be one or is it a predetermined/predestined? Can men be witches? If anyone can be one, are there prerequisites?

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 39 (view)

What is a Christian Posted: 1/6/2006 4:54:35 AM
I think he thinks it's ok to do things like that, because he's a christian and will be forgiven for his sins. I may not know everything, but I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works. Your right, thats not the way it works. Sounds like you are more of a christian than him. Being a christian does not automaticly mean you will be forgiven of your sins. You get forgiven of your sins through repentence. And the repentence process is not as simple as it might seem. Anyway, he broke up with you because he wants to end the relationship. Don't dwell on it. It just makes you bitter. Move on.

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 35 (view)

Ex sex! right or wrong discuss!!!! Posted: 1/6/2006 4:30:02 AM
The chances are very high that one of you has an ulterior motive. If this be the case then its not good. The one that still holds a torch will use this as a way to stay close to you and is a form of stalking. I say leave it alone. It may appear to be harmless and there is a chance that it is, but why chance it?

robinladen1

Joined: 9/16/2005

Msg: 12 (view)

the famous, i just dont want a relationship right now line?? Posted: 1/6/2006 1:29:47 AM
If a person, man or woman, wants a relationship with someone, then they do it. It's smart not to tell a person that you want a relationship. It's best to just let it happen. Telling someone that you want a relationship many times scares them.

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