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Godless Heathen

Joined: 10/7/2005

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Novus Spiritus Posted: 8/25/2006 4:43:17 PM
One thing I've noticed about these types of books is they spew out one hollow phrase after another without imparting any real knowledge. ""People embody God's love and emotion, not as a separate part of Him, but as the actual essence of His love. We are the experiencing, emotional God Himself. "" quote from Novus ^ This is a mishmash of spiritualism and anthropomorphism. God is both being and essence. How much more confused could you possibly be? Let's do a rewrite: ""People can embody their love and emotion, not as a separate part of their psyche but as their essence. We are emotive beings capable of boundless love."" ^This is still nonsensical gobbledygook but it shows you don't need an outside force to grow spiritually and as a person. We all have incredible potiential within ourselves, we just need the motivation to learn and grow as human beings; and not as some minion of a fictional God.

Godless Heathen

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Has God prepared you Mr. Right or Ms. Right somewhere out there? Posted: 7/9/2006 2:56:48 PM
If I recall Genisis correctly (damn, where'd I put that bible) God at first tried to mate Adam with various animals in the Garden. It was only after that monumental failure did it get around to creating Eve. Even then the bible never says they loved each other. After all they were the only humans on earth, they had to get along. So, I wouldn't wait for this God cause it might try mate me with a goat.

Godless Heathen

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Can God Change? Posted: 6/24/2006 7:08:15 PM
If you are talking of the God of Abraham, it hasn't changed. Only peoples perception of it has changed back and forth over time.

Godless Heathen

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The Spirit world & spirits! Posted: 6/18/2006 10:17:59 AM
WoW! This is a major breakthrough! I'm suprised I haven't heard of this. Could you provide links to comparitive studies done on this? Could you tell me on which frequency these vibrations are detected? Is there research being done on the vibrations of manic depressives? If God is a vibration what is its amplitude? Ooh, this is so exciting!

Godless Heathen

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What is the true nature of UFO's? Posted: 6/11/2006 5:04:23 PM
I doubt that UFO's are aliens from another planet. The nearest star is 4.5 light years away. That would mean they would have to travel at the speed of light for 4.5 years. I'm no physicist but I would guess it would take the earths entire supply of uranium, coal, gas and oil for just one trip at that speed and distance. If I am correct mass increases as the speed of light is approached therefore the amount of energy required increases exponentialy. (E =mc2) Otherwise if they used their initial momentum and manipulated gravity to slingshot them this way it would probably take them ... oh say 500 years to reach us. After all that time you'd think they'd wanna say Hi?

Godless Heathen

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What would GOD say.. Posted: 6/11/2006 10:01:55 AM
He'd probably say: Eek oorg blort pbbbbbb thhhhhwup grngnar. Then I'd say: What?

Godless Heathen

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Religion and Violence Posted: 6/9/2006 5:35:37 PM
Wow, what a simplistic, biased, and heavy-handed article. The writer conveniently omits two violent countries with atheistic governments: the former Soviet Union and China. I don't know why he cites a Buddhist country to support his point, because it doesn't. And the whole Hitler being religious concept has a very large thread dedicated to it in this very forum, with some highly educated posts, unlike the writer of this article. I suppose I'm going to have to quote myself, as snooty as that sounds: "... man would be violent without religion, which I hope is obvious to people." Atheism simply means 'not' theistic just like asymetrical means 'not' symetric. Atheism is not a political nor ideological position! To say that man would be violent without religion is a copout. We have a responsibility as human beings to promote ethical and just behavior in our societies. The only reason Christianity seems so peaceful and docile is because of the increase of secularism in the last 2 centuries. Now, even that is in danger of crumbling given the rise of the religious right in the US. They promote an irrational biblical morality based in the 3rd century CE! Surely we have learned something about human behaviour in the last 1700 years! G.H. - an atheist on the side of humanity.

Godless Heathen

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Religion and Violence Posted: 6/8/2006 8:20:02 PM
"Let his who is without a sword sell his garment and get one" Please explain how you interpret this as a metaphor? "...And Simon drew his sword and sliced the soldiers ear off. Jesus rebuked him and healed the soldiers ear." Sounds like his disciples were prepared to kill for him.

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 6/4/2006 6:35:20 PM
G.H. well I thank you for your interest...but I must say that not all of my beliefs are what you consider logical...the same as all of my life's experiences are not logical, but that makes them no less real! For some things you just have to have faith. And that is the basis of my understanding...believing is seeing Thank you for your honesty. In your previous post you stated your beliefs as fact, maybe not intentionally, but, I have rarely seen a religious person qualify their statements with "I believe...". our purpose it to live out this play that he wrote for us....we all have our parts to play, no matter how grandiose or insignificant we may feel we are. what is the ultimate for a playwrite...to see it onstage....that is what we are doing...all of us together, everything we do is a reminder to ourselves and/or others of what our purpose its. Does God enjoy seeing people suffer and die needlessly on this stage? 2 It is predetermined to a point...certain people, places, situations are automatically set in place for us to encounter, it is how we react to these things that is our free will. will we act badly or with grace like God wants. it is again...like we are the actors of this wonderous play and we have the right to adlib as we see fit...change a few things as we go...it will not affect the play as a whole but will give others glances of our individuality/free will! Ah so you're a compatibalist. I disagree. I believe life is intrically complex. I fail to see how any being can take a billion multiple factors multiplied by a billion possible outcomes and still predict the future. It must have one hell of a backup plan! G.H.

Godless Heathen

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Religion and Violence Posted: 6/4/2006 4:34:24 PM
I skimmed all the posts and I don't believe the following point has been addressed. Both the Bible and Koran include a mountain of passages containing violence, injustice and barbarity in the name of Allah/God. Moderates dismiss them without a thought. Extremists embrace them wholeheartedly. Each accuses the other of misinterpretation. So who is right? Their holybooks so are full of contradictions there is no possible reconciliation. So what are we to do? I say we move Religion to the Mythology section of our libraries. You can still have your personal spirituality but organized religion must be abolished. Here are a few of the most recent conflicts in our history. In Palestine(Jews vs. Muslims), the Balkans (Orthodox Serbians vs. Catholic Croations; Orthodox Serbians vs. Albanian and Serbian Muslims), Northern Ireland (Catholics vs. Protestants), Sudan(Muslims vs. Christians and animists), Indonesia(Muslim vs. Timorese Christians). The Cuacasus(Orthodox Russians vs. Chechen Muslims; Muslim Azerbaijanis vs. Catholic and Orthodox Armenians) G.H.

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 6/4/2006 2:37:40 PM
Godless....not superflous...all knowing...he knows the past, present and the future...that is why we can go to Him/Her for answers. and knowing all these dimensions at once...time is irrelevant...you must not have had the experience of actually "living in the moment", it is an incredible experience where nothing else matters except what you are seeing, feeling, hearing, etc. and time is of no importance there...it is in this material realm where time is important. And just because someone has not personally experienced something, does not mean it doesn't exist! I haven't experienced zrpngtxl opr but it doesn't mean that doesnt exist. MysticAnjel, I'm asking for logical arguments. Prostelytizing ones faith adds nothing to the discourse. But I am interested in your beliefs. You claim that your God knows the future so you can answer these questions for me. 1/ If God has set in motion or knows everything that is going to happen; what is it's purpose to continue existing? 2/ If everything is predetermined how can free will exist? G.H.

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 6/4/2006 2:08:15 PM
Ryft [qoute]Given the assumptions driving your argument, it also applies only to those gods who are said to think as temporal beings think. Since this fails to apply to God, it turns into a strawman argument when one attempts to apply it to him.[/qoute] Please reread the premises. Thought requires time, God thinks, therefore God is temporal. If you have a theory of how God is conscious in the absence of time I would love to hear it. [qoute]Furthermore, your paradox does not hold up. It is, in actuality, a logical contradiction and therefore cannot even get off the ground in order to be any sort of criticism. If you choose to talk about things like "before time" then you have not succeeded in saying anything about God: meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because God is our context. "Before" is a temporal reference, therefore "before time" is a contradiction.[/qoute] I am not the one asserting anything existed before time. I completely agree that it's a contradiction. That is exactly what I'm arguing against!

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 6/2/2006 7:17:32 PM
Tim, your qoute does not address the question. Time is directly related to space so it is not necessarily infinite. MysticAngel, If god knows the past present and future all at once its existence would be superflous.

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 6/2/2006 6:23:09 PM
Ryft [qoute]It's your last assumption which cripples your argument, turning it into a strawman if it's making any attempt to address Christian theology. It might be relevant to some other theistic construction but it fails the test of relevancy when addressing Christian theology. Both historical Christianity and Scripture have always affirmed that God's ways are higher than our ways and his thoughts higher than our thoughts (Isa. 55:9), "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God" (1 Cor. 2:11), and so forth. To posit a God who "thinks, as temporal being thinks" is to posit a God unrecognized by Christianity; it's an argument different from, and weaker than, that made by Christianity (the definition of a "strawman" fallacy).[/qoute] My argument applies to any god whether it be anthropomorphic, transcendant or magical. All require a deliberate concious act to create the universe. [qoute]What if there is more than one dimension of time, and God transcends merely this one we experience? What if there is no such thing as temporal boundaries; how then could anything be "outside" of it? What if our spatio-temporal universe has no boundaries (cf. Hawking & Penrose)? [/qoute] It doesn't matter if there are a billion temporal dimensions. God would still have to exist before time. Thus the paradox. Tanath: Godless Heathen, I think you can omit the part about consciousness. The mere act of creation is a change of state which requires time. Yes but theists propose that the First Cause was a deliberate conscious act.

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 6/1/2006 8:26:53 PM
It has been asserted that God exists outside of time. If anyone can prove the following paradox wrong I will believe there is a God. Without Time God didn't have enough Time to decide to create Time. God is defined as The Conscious First Cause - The First Cause is That which caused Time. Consciousness is that which lets one make a decision. A Decision is the action of changing ones mind from undecided to decided. Time is the measure of change. Premises: Something which is caused can't be required by that which causes it. Conclusions: Time is required for Change. A Decision is a Change. Decisions require Time. Consciousness can't let one make a decision without Time. Consciousness requires Time. God is Conscious. God requires Time. God can't be the cause of Time if God requires Time. God isn't the cause of Time. God isn't The First Cause. If God isn't The Conscious First Cause then God doesn't exist. God doesn't exist. The following assumptions apply - * The proof applies to any notion of God that 'matters' (better term lacking) * Change cannot precede time * God must make a conscious decision to create time itself * God thinks, as a temporal being thinks (ie using a thought process)

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 5/28/2006 8:27:39 PM
[qoute]Guys....NO ONE created God, God always was and is and will be.! It's that simple.[/qoute] You can claim something will last for eternity but still that something must start from somewhere. There is no such thing as something with no beginning. That's just nonsensical mumbo jumbo.

Godless Heathen

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who create god Posted: 5/28/2006 6:35:49 PM
[qoute]God is eternal and infinite and NOONE created Him, He was, is and will be forever. He is beyond our comprehension and is Glory is inexpressible, His Love , His Grace, His Mercy,. His Forgivenessand, His Holiness are all beyond our measure to comprehend. He is Everlasting.[/qoute] Anything eternal or infinite must have a beginning. so where did God come from?

Godless Heathen

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Unconditional love?? Posted: 5/28/2006 5:19:23 PM
Unconditional love was invented by self help gurus. They use flowery terms to make themselves look authoritative to inspire people. If you take all the unnecessary adjectives out of their 250 page books you would be left with a 6 page pamphlet of everyday common sense. Modern and historic poets would abhor to use this as a qualifier. And they are the guardians of our language! As the Beatles once wrote... All you need is love!

godless heathen

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What does Love mean to you? Posted: 2/13/2006 3:44:14 PM
To me love means that I really suck at playing tennis.

Godless Heathen

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What must I do? Help! Posted: 1/25/2006 8:50:44 PM
Well, I'm finally back on the net. I read a dozen internet connection guides and tried about two dozen different things to no effect. I then read dozens of subarticles hoping to get some clues. I finally figured out what was wrong. My cable router was turned OFF! The button must have hit the side of my desk and clicked off when I pulled it out to check the wiring 5 days ago! Doh! I just installed ewido and adaware for now. I no longer trust spybot or norton. Thanks guys!

Godless Heathen

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IMPORTANT --> Spyware - Popups, Homepage Changing, etc Posted: 1/25/2006 7:49:43 PM
BEWARE SPYBOT SEARCH AND DESTROY Ever since I ran it my PC problems became worse. It took 5 1/2 hrs to do a scan and detected NOTHING. I get the feeling it spent all that time opening gateways to spyware, trojans and worms instead of destroying them. I ran Ewido and it found 167 problems. Thankfully I was able to restore my PC to factory settings and start clean again! I was going to reinstall Norton but I got a prompt instructing me to disable windows firewall protection so I aborted.

Godless Heathen

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What must I do? Help! Posted: 1/23/2006 8:58:13 AM
^^^ Um, that is not a contradiction. When I reloaded windows my computer was restored to its original factory settings. Anything I had previously would have had to be re-installed; including Norton.

Godless Heathen

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What must I do? Help! Posted: 1/23/2006 6:35:44 AM
Well, I ran all the various system scans suggested here and in other forums. Didn't do any good. Spybot took 5 1/2 hrs and found nothing Ewido found tons of crap but had cleaning errors Adaware found low risk cookies I can't remember the half dozen others I ran. All the time I was doing this I believe the virus(es?) was operating in the background and eventually took over my PC. I could no longer access the internet. The connection was there but if I tried to go to a website I got the 'page not found' screen. I took drastic measures and re-installed windows in destruct mode. My computer was restored to its original configuration and everything I'd done was erased.... except for one program called 'SPYSUBTRACT'. I'm sure that I had downloaded that! How did it manage to survive? Anyway, after reinstallation was complete I get a warning prompt saying 'Norton has detected WindowsFirewall is on'. WTF! I hadn't even installed Norton! I still can't access the internet! I'm going to uninstall norton and spysubtract then reinstall windows again and see what happens. If that doesn't work I'm going to take my PC to an expert. Any comments would be welcome! Thanks, GH

Godless Heathen

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What must I do? Help! Posted: 1/14/2006 7:37:02 PM
I just wasted 2 1/2 hours of my life. I googled download.trojan and the 1st site had a program that would scan everything for free. That was PCtools.com. I clicked download and run then realized I should have saved it and started in safeboot first. I went thru the whole process again and started the scan. Guess what? It froze! 3 more reboots and it ran. At 40% it detected something called 'unspybot'. Great! Then I get a prompt saying I have to purchase their product to remove it. What a fuuuuucking crapshoot. At this rate it will be another 100hrs before I actually fix it. thanks for your help guys. I'll keep you posted (unless I use up all my memory downloading useless crap) GH

Godless Heathen

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What must I do? Help! Posted: 1/14/2006 12:58:12 PM
OK, I bought a computer 2 weeks ago and got hooked up to the internet. On my very 1st search 'download.trojan' invaded my PC. I thought antivirus and all that stuff was preinstalled! Apparently not! I installed Norton and ran it. It found it but could not delete "access denied". I restarted in safemode and followed the instructions but it didn't do anything(maybe I missed something?). I did find out the download.trojan is residing in q25271781_disk.dll. Right now it just seems to be a nuisance. Whenever I use a search engine it doesnt matter what I'm looking for the same site pops up. I could click on 'cbc.ca' or anything and 'searchyourbabe.com' always comes up the 1st time (after I click I've read the other threads in here and they look very helpful. I ran the hijackthis but stupidly clicked 'allow access this time' and nothing happened. The 2nd time I clicked 'block access' and it did block it. I feel so overwhelmed. What can I do? GH

Godless Heathen

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Do you agree or not?. Posted: 1/11/2006 1:09:57 PM
What are you saying? Since the majority rules the pledge should be mandatory? Isn't the oath enough? Do you think that swearing to a God will give you extra protection against perjury in case you lie? Since I don't believe in any Gods it would be against my principles to swear to one. Should I be barred from testifying and thrown in jail for refusing? What if I were an eye witness to a mass murder? I don't believe political correctness has anything to do with this. GH

Godless Heathen

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A world without Religion Posted: 1/8/2006 3:42:06 PM
Artandsoul, Are you saying that religious texts such as the Bible and Quran are a good basis for ethical teaching? Neither says that slavery is wrong. Both exact severe physical punishment for questionable moral infractions. And not eveyone in society needs to be a scholar or intellectual. Every cartoon children watch and every picturebook they read has a moral. Every TV drama has good triumph over evil. You don't think that rubs off on people?

Godless Heathen

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A world without Religion Posted: 1/8/2006 3:05:04 PM
ladyfair, [qoute]If Earth had no form of religion what so ever, and we humans were merely that. We didn't want to know where we came from, it didn't matter, because it was all in the past and we were about the future.... If we didn't ask questions about how things work, how things were to come about... would we be better off, or worse? [/qoute] I took this to mean that without 'religion' we wouldn't ask any questions or look for answers. Therefore I assumed you meant that progress was only made because of religion. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Godless Heathen

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A world without Religion Posted: 1/8/2006 9:18:11 AM
If Earth had no form of religion what so ever, and we humans were merely that. We didn't want to know where we came from, it didn't matter, because it was all in the past and we were about the future.... If we didn't ask questions about how things work, how things were to come about... would we be better off, or worse? I've been toiling with this idea in my head. Wondering to myself what is worse, a world filled with war and illness, overpopulation and teen pregnancy due to religion....or a world without religion at all. I haven't come to any conclusions. I don't think it is possible to come to a conclusion on such a thing unless both sides of the coin have been personally experienced and examined. First of all, If there were no god man would have found it necessary to create one. Whenever there was no explanation for something mans inclination was to attribute supernatural forces as the cause. Why are we here? What are those lights in the sky? Where did the Mastadon go? Mans natural curiousity eventually answered these questions. So, your assertion is wrong. Religion was just a replacement for geniune knowledge. If man used religion/god to explain everything we wouldn't have made any progress in science, technology and social justice in the last 2-3,000 years. Would we be better off without religion now? Well I don't believe in a god but I don't see the harm in religion as long as one veiws it as a personal spiritual quest. Religion provides a cultural and social framework that gives many people purpose and comfort. What the world could do without is the absolutism and objective morality that most religions adhere to. Take that away from religion and the world would definitely be a much better place.

Godless Heathen

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AA Members Posted: 1/2/2006 7:43:02 PM
Apparantley, AA members can't actually discuss or question the program; they can only preach it. How's that for rigid dogmatism. As you may have observed, any criticism is met with a wall of slogans or counter accusations. It would have been much easier to address my comments. The AMA has no listing for Alcoholism as a physical or psychological disease. People do not die of alcoholism but from the damage alcohol does to their body. Alcohol is not a disease, it causes disease. Who is promoting false beliefs here?

Godless Heathen

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AA Members Posted: 1/2/2006 3:29:29 PM
Brad a)just goes to prove that a littel bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing -what does that mean? b)it reads like this Here are the steps we took (all 12 of them) which are suggested as a program of recovery (one complete program to a very specific end... recovery) -So... what? c)It was put to me like this "If you want what we have...do what we did" -follow blindly?.... hiel hitler! d)The only flaw in the 12 steps when i did them was me doing them my way. - How so? e)Its simple If someone is sick and tired of being sick and tired because of booze and drugs I know a way that works... It may not be the only way... but it is the way i know and if anyone is willing to try it i'll be more than happy to help them. I have all the time in the world for an addict/alcoholic that wants help but i don't have 5 minutes to fuk around with someone that is just fukkin around I do find it very interesting though that most of the nay sayers on this thread don't seem to havea problem with drugs/alcohol (not that they will admit to at least)... they only have a problem with AA's solution. I guess they are entitled to an opinion. Please do share your alternative solutions with us... and make sure you take the time to back it up with your experiences with booze/drugs and a life that is no longer hampered by them and the desease of addiction/alcoholism. Oh wait....the thread is entitled AA members.... nevermind...i don't care to hear it. You are either part of the problem or you are part of the solution -* OMFG You're just spitting out meaningless slogans as a substitute for thoughtful discussion. Couldn't you address my comments? Couldn't you tell me HOW you think the program works?

Godless Heathen

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AA Members Posted: 1/2/2006 2:49:59 PM
'Coffeeholic;Your version works for the social drinkers?' My version is about taking responsibility for your own health. I don't see how even hardened drinkers can avoid that and succeed. Saying you are not responsible is a cop out. Calling it a disease is no excuse.

Godless Heathen

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AA Members Posted: 1/2/2006 12:35:50 PM
Hi Ruby, I just have some comments and questions on the 12 steps you posted. 1/ We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable. -Powerless is a very strong and misleading word. Constant drinking is an indulgence turned into a habit that becomes a learned behaviour. The step should read- I realized I must regain control of my life. 2/Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. -Aha! 'POWER'>< 'POWERLESS' get it? The 1st step merely sets up the 2nd. 3/Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. - as opposed to figuring out how you can change your behaviour and take full control? 4/Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. -WARNING This is religion. Morality has nothing to do with drinking!!! 5/Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. -What in the world does overcoming an addiction have to do with this? Can you say Guilt Complex? 6/Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. -What do 'defects of char.' have to do with anything. This is just more moralizing. 7/Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. - a magical pixie can alter my brain chemistry? We all have shortcomings, without them we'd all be perfect or robots! 8/Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. 9/Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. - What about injuring ourselves? 10/Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. - Obviously by now the only purpose of this program is to replace alcohol with religion. God forbid you actually try and confront your addiction. 11/Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. -This is not spirituality. This program clearly has a religious framework. 12/Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. - like a true disciple. 13/Please note...........these steps are only **suggested. You pick what and how you believe. -Which ones did you leave out? 14/The nicest part is......it works. -no it doesn't, I believe you make it work despite it's tremendous flaws.

Godless Heathen

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A prayer for my father Posted: 12/30/2005 11:30:57 AM
My condolences Devilishgirl. It's quite natural to feel sad and regretful at this time. Self pity is not a sinful indulgence, it is a gentle and soothing emotion that will help you get through this. I find the best time to say a proper goodbye is after the internment where you can release your anguish and remorse. Remember, you are a part of him so he'll always be with you. He helped shape who you are and will forever (in some aspect) affect where you are going. In that sense he will never die. As that beautiful poem Stillacious posted says "do not grieve" celebrate his life! I think that was Dylan Thomas?

Godless Heathen

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This site does work!!!!!!!!!!! Posted: 12/29/2005 6:09:28 AM
Thanks for letting us know Spongieg! That is a very encouraging post. Now if I can only get my pic up the babes will be all over me. LOL

Godless Heathen

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Christmas Quiz Posted: 12/16/2005 1:06:36 PM
11/ 3 12/ b 13/ b 14/ a 15/ g What was the purpose of the Crucifiction? a) So Jesus could come back and establish a Kingdom and reign for 1,000yrs. b) To take away mankinds sins. c) So God could sacrifice himself to himself to save mankind from himself. Yes, the Holy spirit took responsibility but did not pay any child support.

Godless Heathen

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Im Enraged Posted: 12/16/2005 12:09:58 PM
EI is a scam. I collected it once after 17 years of working. They try to make you feel like a leetch. Based on my previous income I was eligible for about $300/wk. I got part time work here and there so my EI cheque averaged $70/wk. They cut me off after 10 mos. as it was the max. insurable period. They then did an audit and said I undereported my income(which wasn't true) and owed them $400. I told them I could have collected $12,000 if I sat on my ass but I chose to keep working and collected a total of $2,400. I didn't hear back from them after that.

Godless Heathen

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Christmas Quiz Posted: 12/16/2005 8:57:49 AM
Hmmm, it's been awhile since I read Christian mythology. 6/ c 7/ b 8/ a 9/ c 10/ b I got one! Who impregnated Mary? a) God b) Satan c) Jesus d) Holy Spirit e) a Leprechuan

Godless Heathen

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Guidance for those born under Scorpio Posted: 12/16/2005 8:35:07 AM
If you people put so much stock into this superstisious twaddle why don't you put in your profiles -'must be an Aries, Leo... etc.' Why should anyone contact you if you dismiss him/her on the basis of astrology? If you're going to be prejudice you should show it!

Godless Heathen

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are there any women who are God chasers Posted: 12/16/2005 5:53:35 AM
Um, which God? Maybe you could be more specific. There must be a million of them!

Godless Heathen

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Astrology Vs. Astronomy Posted: 12/9/2005 1:24:51 PM
At some point in history someone would to have commissioned a MASSIVE study over the lifetimes of a very large control group and corallated all the collected data as per the planetary influence/birth signs have on peoples lives. Yet... such a study is not known to exist and there is no evidence that one has ever existed! So how do astrologers know anything without references????

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Msg: 36 (view)

List for Santa? Posted: 12/9/2005 6:58:54 AM
1/ Hardwood flooring 2/ A new car 3/ A computer 4/ Yamaha LS600 keyboard 5/ Burnt Mortgage papers 6/ Deed to a Tropical Island and a remote lake in Muskoka 7/ 1 Zillion Dollars 8/ A puppy Oh ya, how could I forget!?!? 9/ Someone to share it with!

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Msg: 37 (view)

Thowing in the towel Posted: 12/7/2005 1:00:27 PM
Hmmm, supplement my income. Well I have written some songs...ah, that's just a pipedream. With my current income at the rate I'm going I should be able to retire when I'm 80. Also not to many girls are impressed when I drive up in my dented, bottomed out 13 yr. rustbucket.LOL I guess I could use a shot of adrenaline. :o) Thanks Angel and Molly.

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Msg: 33 (view)

Thowing in the towel Posted: 12/7/2005 9:41:44 AM
I'm at a crossroads too but for different reasons. I really, really like my job and the place where I work. But it's a small company with small pay. I could go to another company and earn 5g/yr more with less responsibility or up to 20g/yr more with extra responsibilty. So do I take a job with potentialy more stress and less satisfaction for the money? It's really tough because I could use the money.

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Msg: 71 (view)

Psychics Posted: 12/2/2005 8:24:23 AM
Hey Polypal, I don't have any views of an afterlife. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Until somebody proves to me otherwise; I believe this is our only life. As for all the other stuff I have yet to see any objective evidence that any of it is true. If Sylvia Browne does not benefit personally from her work why doesn't she make her income and expenditures open to the public? Do we just take her word for it? Also, as someone else mentioned, if she is legitimate why hasn't she taken the test for the 1million prize offered by James Randi? A million dollars could feed and clothe a lot of people living in poverty.

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Msg: 69 (view)

Psychics Posted: 12/1/2005 9:31:50 AM
It is good to keep an open mind but not so open that your brains fall out. I know of only one Univ. that conducted tests. That was the University of Arizona (which I don't think is accredited). They were done by a Dr. Gerry Schwartz I believe. He published his results and claimed 100% success. Under academic scrutiny by his peers it was found he did not use standard double blind tests, did not use proper controls, allowed information leakage, came to conclusions based on assumptions, and so on... His response to critics was a string of rationalizations based on faulty logic. His study has no credibilty whatsoever. I have read one of Sylvia Brownes books. It was pure fantasy. All she has to offer are an endless string of anecdotes which cannot be verified. I found her views of the afterlife to be comical at best. What she has to offer is not even intangible, it's vapourous. I can only conclude that she is a 1st rate con artist.

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Msg: 63 (view)

If you had God in the room with you... Posted: 11/18/2005 10:14:16 AM
Excuse me? Do you expect me to worship you or something?

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Display 'Date last visited'. Posted: 11/18/2005 9:19:03 AM
Thanks Trappedonbayst! Tweetie has a good point. Also if a member hasn't been active for 6 months it's a pointless of waste time and effort writing an email.

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Display 'Date last visited'. Posted: 11/18/2005 5:36:33 AM
I think the profiles should show when the person last visited this site. When I email someone and it remains unread for a week I have no idea if that person is ignoring me or on vacation or something. If I know the person was recently online I can delete the mail, take the profile off my favorites list and MOVE ON! I know if don't get a response within 2 or 3 days I should move on anyway but it would be really nice to know because in the back of my mind I would always be wondering... Thank you, Andrew

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Msg: 178 (view)

Barrie 55 Special November 12 Posted: 11/11/2005 12:36:51 PM
$3.00 to get in!!!! That's highway robbery!!! I suppose they charge $3 for a beer to! Ack! I'll go if someone sneaks me in the bathroom window. ;0)

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