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Thread: No roommates please
Just_Jay79
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No roommates please
Posted: 12/2/2010 10:12:45 AM
^^^
You're 58. That's close enough, IMO.
Allow me to amend my first self-contradictory post before more pitch-forks come out from older folks that have lived their professional lives, and have gone back to a room-mate scenario (
something I didn't take the time to consider in my scathing self-righteous post
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"If you're no longer in school, are able-bodied, and have passed the age of 25 and have NEVER lived alone, then there's something wrong, IN MY OPINION (and no one else's, so it's not really worth a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys)."
Just_Jay79
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Mixed Signals From Female Friend
Posted: 12/2/2010 10:05:25 AM
To me it sounds as if she just wanted someone to talk to, and to not be alone at home with her thoughts.
You mentioned a movie she was already interested in seeing, and she seized the opportunity for the companionship of a friend she can talk to, and you being male, perhaps also bounce ideas off of regarding her ex.
Unless she actually tries to touch you in a non-platonic way, or starts talking about the two of you as a romantic item (like "why can't I find a guy like YOU?"), then I would say there are no signals at the moment, and that your own preconceptions might be coloring your judgement of events (i.e. perceiving what you want/hope to see).
Female friends are a rare treasure, so enjoy their company while you can. If you fall for her, then be prepared to risk everything changing, for better or for worse. Good luck to you!
Just_Jay79
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Your SO wants you to meet the couple he/she has a threesome with?
Posted: 12/2/2010 9:59:13 AM
Though a tad more "unconventional" of becoming acquainted with someone, I don't see how it would be any more awkward than an ex-gf/bf turned friend & coming to town and trying to visit. They too have seen your partner naked back in the day, and so long as they conduct themselves accordingly and there are no lingering romantic/sexual yearnings, what's the harm?
Good luck to you!
Just_Jay79
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No roommates please
Posted: 12/2/2010 9:54:22 AM
Wow I've collected a lot of friends on here this past hour it would seem.
I am simply talking about YOUNG people that seem to be experiencing a "failure to launch". We've seen it in other threads where posters have ragged on "guys that live at home with their parents", "guys that don't have a car", "guys that don't [blah-blah-blah]", and I don't see how having room-mates when you've transitioned to the Young Professional phase is much different. (Nearing retirement age is another can of worms, and it's probably for the best when seniors partner up to tke care of each other as Lord knows a lot of their own kids aren't around to help).
As for "advertising how much money I make" and "trying to advertize myself", I'm already IN a relationship, and I don't even tell HER my salary, let alone list it on my profile (which has also been hidden for months).
All I'm simply saying is that I'm starting to notice the younger generation becoming even more babied than the last (mine), and we already had it pretty darn good. Have fun with the thread folks, and best of luck to everyone, including my "fan club".
Just_Jay79
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No roommates please
Posted: 12/2/2010 8:46:18 AM
Thanks for your thoughts SpecifTruths, I only have a few follow-ups, directed at the concepts, not you specifically as a person:
Some people, Jay, need or just plain want some form - any form of companionship. It's still possible to support one's self while sharing space with others.
There are alternatives for companionship - get a pet, have friends over, or your spouse will theoretically be hanging out there from time to time anyway. I live alone, but my gf hangs out Tuesday nights, as well as the entire weekend (Friday through Sunday). Plenty of companionship there while still having (and owning) my own space.
I'm more of an introvert so I much prefer living alone for many reasons, mostly being that I'm a clean freak
Amen to that, I too grew tired of cleaning up after other people.
Sometimes living alone is scary and/or dangerous for a young woman.
And what actually is the real problem here: the fact that the world is dangerous (regardless of gender), or have we simply socialized girls to live their lives in fear, and thus compromise their true capabilities?
This is why I've supported the "Women take back the Streets!" campaigns that have gone on in various areas. The rare number of actual gender-based assaults doesn't justify an entire gender being socialized to live in perpetual fear, in my opinion...
How sad is it when one of my closests galpals, who literally travelled the world and back, was asked more questions about her personal safety than the actual trip itself?!
Just_Jay79
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Dating around Christmas
Posted: 12/2/2010 7:31:44 AM
Depending on your intentions, this is one of the most wonderful times of the year for dating, courtship, and picking up in general.
Why? New Year's is just around the corner, and this is a time when the ladies are more receptive to a new Beau in their lives: company x-mas parties, parties with friends, and then finally someone to kiss when the ball drops.
Play your cards right, and that can be YOU. :)
So by all means date on, and a simple, inexpensive but THOUGHTFUL/sweet gift can go a long way. Personally I was seeing a girl last x-mas who I had been fixed up with about the same time of year. I surprised her by leaving flowers on her doorstep along with a mini-box of chocolates that was already packaged to look like a x-mas present.
It was GOLD, and scored me major points, while barely costing a thing aside from some creativity and time on my part to sneak the surprise on her doorstep at the end of our date.
So go to it, and good luck!
Just_Jay79
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No roommates please
Posted: 12/2/2010 7:20:12 AM
I'm sorry but if you're no longer in school, are able-bodied and have passed the age of 25 (and are below retirement age) there's no reason you should need a roommate unless you screwed up and don't have a decent paying job.
I'm not saying that you'll have an awesome place to live in, but there are always places/rooms for rent and being able to support yourself without needing a second person's income to keep a roof over your head is one of the most basic milestones of adulthood I can think of.
At 23 I moved out when I started grad school, into a 550 sq ft apartment in downtown Montreal, and worked two jobs (my research grant + 5 evenings a week waiting tables) to make ends meet and then some. I wasn't rich, but with some decent financial sense and NOT LIVING BEYOND MY MEANS, I got by just fine and even had money for dates, a vacation, and even RRSP's. Sure I was tired working 7 days a week, but I was my own man, earning my own money, and SUPPORTING MYSELF, like any ADULT should be doing. I have friends that moved out even earlier than that and were supporting themselves solo.
Why this newer generation seems to find this so difficult is beyond me, and I can only shake my head whenever I do date a girl my age (31) that's STILL living with people, and somehow STILL has less spare money than I do when I have a mortgage and a car and they don't even have THAT.
Just_Jay79
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The paradox of sex and affection
Posted: 11/30/2010 5:34:23 AM
Meh, I've noticed the occasional "Off-Switch" after having relations with a woman I was interested in. Sometimes in the initial phases of courtship/seduction, we're all so rapt by the thrill of anticipation that we fail to notice or gloss over the little incompatibilities that have already presented themselves in conversation, and wind up charging for the carnal pleasures regardless. Then when orgasm and clarity of thought is achieved, we realize that those little deal-breakers added up to a heck of a lot more than we first thought, and now that we're thinking straight, we call it quits.
I've never looked down on a woman that slept with me "early", rather I tend to praise them and hold them in higher esteem for being liberal and assertive about their wants in life. When at all possible, I try to keep these women in my lives far longer than I do the self-denying "prudes" that have X-date/month rules and whatnot despite clear indications of arousal and desire... I don't need someone conflicted with themselves, I need someone that's willing to seize the moment, like I try to.
However even a good laugh and a willingness to hop in the sack early does not guarantee we'll get our Happily Ever After. There are countless things that can go wrong in ANY relationship of ANY duration, and it really takes effort, timing, and some down right luck, to have a chance at sticking potential.
I don't know if I can date a girl long-term until I at least sleep with her, but just because I finally do doesn't mean I automatically have enough information to make the call then & there, it just means I at least have ENOUGH information to decide whether to keep seeing her to try and find out how much more we have in common.
Just_Jay79
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What would you do if your significant other told you this?
Posted: 11/29/2010 1:33:53 PM
Soft Lily lamented:
To everyone else:
Some of the personalities in this place dishearten me; not just about my weight, but the way in which they intend to 'help' people. One lady made a comparison about how calling someone fat, and letting them know they are 'fat', is the equivalent of an alcoholic intervention.
Another lady commented that it doesn't help to call someone 'fat'. She's right, as a fat person, I'll let you know right now I am completely aware of my state. Do you know what being called fat (even kindly so) does to me? Strangers telling me I'm fat, even my family telling me I'm fat, only makes me feel as if it is a 'bigger' and 'bigger' problem with my body. It doesn't encourage me to change, just cause a horrific emotional self loop of frustration and over eating. Of self sabotage because I figure it is such a big problem that I can barely do anything about it because I'm such a lard ass in the first place.
I am sorry that you have chosen despair over change, despite possibly wishing to change for the "better".
While I am now a lifetime-dedicated "Fitness Nazi", I wasn't always so. I too, was for lack of a better term, a "self-pitying lard a$$". I HATED gym class in high school, I was shorter, weaker, and slower than my peers, trailing at the back of the Mile Run with the other Dough Boys. Being lazy didn't help things either - I preferred an afternoon of video games and porn over exercising outside or Lord help me, trying to find a girl willing to date a chubby nerd.
My "friends" made fun of me; my classmates made fun of me; heck my gym teachers made fun of me; my family ragged on me, and even my own mother, who at the time was the closest relation I had in this world, one day snapped and said "Jesus Christ LOOK at yourself!".
Sure I could see in the mirror that I had allowed myself to become fat - why would I care about my appearance when nobody seemed to like me anyway? So I gorged myself on 4-pack candy bars (my favorite), and whatever other "comfort" foods I could find. By age 16 I was 5'6", 174 lbs and 35-36% body fat (by the gym pinch-testing method).
But you know what all that negativity finally did to me? I GOT ANGRY. Not at them, but at MYSELF. I got angry over having been weak enough to toss my pride out the window. I got angry at myself for allowing these mindless peons to DEFINE ME. I looked at the archetypes of "Alpha Males" in the media and whatnot, and set my sights on becoming a "conqueror among men", with the physique to match my advanced intellect.
And so I began, very harshly, to punish myself with exercise while depriving myself of food (
NOT the smart way to do it
), and all the while I lay there in bed or in class with my stomach groaning and my head swooning from lack of nourishment and exhaustion, I TOOK IT as my penance.
The first few months were brutal, but produced equally potent results. I dropped 20-25 lbs in 3 months, and by the time I hit my late growth spurt and hit 6'0" I was a scrawny 148 lbs despite being 6 inches taller. But at least I was thin, and that was my first triumph.
Next I moved on to Phase Two: "Preparing to face the Bullies", by weight training and adding on the muscle I had lost and then some. I wanted to be able to stride back into my high school reunion and beat my former tormentors to within an inch of their worthless venom-spewing lives.
Fortunately for them, "Phase Three - Sweet, Bloody Revenge" never came to fruition. By channeling the rage they infused me with into discipline, I discovered there was more strength and capability within me than I ever dreamed possible. Eventually my workouts stopped being about them, and started just being about ME, and feeling good about myself, feeling proud. By age 19 I was in a different school, with positive people, and had become a completely different (and fit) person, who was surprisingly likable.
Now it's been 12 more years since and I can't live without my workouts. Fitness has become a part of who I am, and who I always will be - I'd sooner die than go back. So instead of the hate, I simply forgave, and even gave thanks some of the "ba$tards" out there that tormented me into the man I am today. Why? Because in 2010 at age 31, I'm now quite probably the fittest guy in my graduating class (with the exception of one buddy that's a professional body-builder), and I kept the brains to boot.
Not a bad life's work for a chubby nerd that couldn't get any girls before, eh?
So to your eloquent and empassioned post about despair, and about how "telling someone they're fat never helps", I say HOGWASH - I'm living proof.
Just_Jay79
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What would you do if your significant other told you this?
Posted: 11/29/2010 5:16:35 AM
Well the guy is tactless for the manner in which he brought up the issue; though there is no nice way to tell your SO that he/she needs to lose some fat, there are softer methods than what you paraphrased in your initial post.
That being said, if you've become the stereotypical couple that just sits on the sofa watching DVD's each night while nibbling on yummy food, chances are that you have both packed on the pounds in your Comfort Phase and now he has simply taken notice of just how far the two of you may have slid.
The only questions you really need to ask yourself are:
1) Why did you both let yourselves plump up in the first place? (surely you would have noticed jeans getting snug, or did you both simply go out and buy bigger ones?)
2) Are YOU comfortable with how you currently look/feel? If so, there's no work to be done, and you tell him that. If NOT, then you both have some work cut out for you - it won't be easy, but it will be rewarding when you reach your goal.
3) Can you still keep dating him after he hurt your feelings? If so, then make him apologize and work out the issue. If not, chuck him to the curb and be prepared to go through the arduous hunt that is 'dating', all over again, and this time, with more pounds on you than before (which despite forum mantras to the contrary, seldom helps one's chances).
Best of luck to you, and I hope you work it out in a manner that satisfies YOU.
At the end of the day, you have to take care of yourself first and foremost.
Just_Jay79
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Two worlds that should not collide...
Posted: 11/25/2010 11:09:10 AM
Ray of moonlight said:
Those of us who are forum regulars know about the problem of the op.Her asian boyfriend refused to acknowledge he is even dating the op and has even forbid her from posting on his facebook page.None of his family and friends know she even exist.This is the problem not her weight.
I'm glad that you've got the spare time to follow a poster's personal life & threads so closely, but I'm a forum regular too (5+ years running) even if I seldom track someone's problems to that extent. I read their thread initial post, scan their profile for any insights I might glean, check some of the responses and if it looks like the advice/theory I've thought of hasn't been posted yet, I add it (usually as politely as I can these days, as I did here).
If a person is refusing to publicly acknowledge someone they're supposedly dating, there are only so many reasonable theories:
1) They're embarrassed about being in a relationship (Boy's Club, not wanting to seem whipped, etc.)
2) They're already in another relationship and don't want to be caught (cheaters, "players", married, etc.)
3) They're worried about backlash / tension amongst those closest to them (be it cultural, political, religious, etc.)
4) They're just using this person and aren't really interested in them at all
5) They're ashamed to be seen with the person they're dating (appearance, personality, education /socio-economic status, race, etc.)
People had already alluded to #1 to #4 in this thread, but everyone seemed to be too busy coddling her to even propose #5a - appearance. I even went out of my way to give her a compliment and encourage her to follow HER wants, not his, and STILL I get my balls busted for opening the door to the potentially obvious fact that most 23-year old dudes are going to be obsessed with looks (possibly to their own detriment).
Not exactly a newsflash, yet forumites still get uppity about it
Beershark added:
And why would this not be valid as a reason for her problem? We are talking about why her boyfriend doesn't want her to meet his boy friends. It just may be what his problem is.
We have to stop shooting the messenger every time the issue of weight comes up, and yes, the shoe fits both ways. I'm 275lbs. I would a fool not to think that has an effect on my social life.
Thanks man, glad to see there are still some people that aren't so fragile about the topic and can logically assess things.
Just_Jay79
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Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 11/25/2010 7:52:36 AM
I dreaded the day that someone resurrected this ridiculous thread concept (posted on Page 1 of this monster 2 years ago). Here come another 44 pages for the Dumbest Petition/Idea Ever!
Quick rehash of my points last time:
a) You can't prove intent
b) It's a slippery slope to government regulation of all interpersonal interactions
c) This "law" would likely only be abused by the jilted, even if they enjoyed themselves sexually at the time PRIOR to their disappointment
d) Our society has devolved into a Kindergarten Tattler's Paradise, and everyone is too damn lazy to solve their own problems anymore
Just_Jay79
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Have you ever asked out a guy? How often do you do that?
Posted: 11/24/2010 10:20:55 AM
Bottom line is male or female you don't have to do anything you don't want to, but it's totally within your prerogative to take action when you don't like the current situation, even if that action is to decide you don't care.
I knew there was a reason I kept you on my Favorites List these past 4-5 years.
Just_Jay79
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Have you ever asked out a guy? How often do you do that?
Posted: 11/24/2010 8:32:26 AM
Guys have it a little easier though, as they don't get approached as much by women they consider to be filler, or not their type, or whatever.
WIP you know I've been one of your longtime fans, but on this one point I will *gasp* disagree with you.
I get approached by women fairly often, especially since ages 26-31 where I made some great gains on the physique; when I put on my dancing shoes, I am rarely lacking a volunteer lady partner. Girls buy me drinks, girls will slip me their number without even asking for it, and some outright pounce and molest me.
However despite all that seemingly "good fortune", I've considered PLENTY of them to be "filler" or "not my type" (smokers, plumpers, airheads, racially-ignorant, etc.). About 20% actually turn out to be both personable and have the trendy body-type that most guys drool over, and for those I am indeed delighted when they approach.
So I still do the bulk of the approaching, just to ensure I'm dealing with the physical quality I truly desire, but wholeheartedly admire ANY woman that musters the courage to approach - even when they're not my type, they'll get a warm smile, a compliment, and a polite declination.
Just_Jay79
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Virtual Dating Sites
Posted: 11/24/2010 8:14:25 AM
When I hear the term "Virtual Dating", it makes me think of those thousands of people worldwide that spend their lives "questing" on MMORPG games like World of Warcraft, EverQuest, etc., having adventures via personalized digital avatars exploring a fantasy world that allows them to chat to their faceless online chums and escape from their commonplace (or perhaps disappointing) lives.
Virtual Dating would strike me as a natural extension for those lonelier, geekier folk that don't get out much, don't interact well in real life and/or prefer electronic communication. So it's of little wonder to me that some might take their avatar over to chat with someone else's avatar and have a delightful little fantasy digital courtship (and possibly cybersex, praying that the girl is actually a girl...lol)
Whatever floats your boat I guess, but if I got THAT desperate I'd probably sooner go the Live Adult Entertainment route - at least THAT deluded fantasy world would end with an actual female touching me...
Just_Jay79
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Why do stunning women go for geeks
Posted: 11/23/2010 1:04:35 PM
Nice. I run every morning and lift here and there; then go to work as an engineer where I spend WAY too much time on here. Thankfully, I'm starting a new job soon that will be more interesting than this, the boringest of all engineering jobs EVER!
Congrats, I'm changing jobs too at the end of next week, to a hopefully more engaging engineering position at a different firm. Best of luck to you, and keep defying those engineering stereotypes so that we can elevate our profession's ability to get laid!
Just_Jay79
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Erotica or Porn?
Posted: 11/23/2010 1:00:18 PM
Having grown up since age 6 with a lifetime of readily-available porn, I must say that my conscious imagination has atrophied due to the easy visual stimulus fix that porn provides. However my subconscious comes up with some stuff that has induced some "toe-curling moments" despite me being asleep, so my imagination must still be alive somewhere up there...
Don't get me wrong, erotica has its place, and a saucily-written paragraph can at least incite the lust process (for me), but it hardly prompts actual physical arousal (or release). However I've noticed that the SCENT of a woman (e.g. perfume, or the lingering scent of her hair on my pillow) can provoke INTENSE and vivid imaginings, where I can close my eyes and fanstasize about moments past, or anticipate new moments to come.
Having watched 25 years of porn (Ages 6-31) I'll agree that the industry has taken a downslide. While the prevalence of porn has skyrocketed (thank God for the internet), the quality and production value has collectively dropped. It wasn't always about the extreme close-up gynaecological shot, or the 50-guy gang bang. It used to have some sensuality about it, heck even a funny or engaging story (watch the classic Taboo series). Now there are times where it's outright violent, and somewhat disturbing how even non-bondage films can involve slapping a girl about in the middle of the action... Seriously, WTF?
However every now and again, a talented director can do it right. Check out Andrew Blake's work, where he uses haute-couture fashion, enticing sensual music, ACTUAL CINEMATOGRAPHY and stunning color contrasts (a lot of B&W work too). He just gets beautiful women to explore their sensuality, minus the "G's up, ho's down" degradation.
Lastly I think good old 70's to 90's softcore is a lost art. I grew up as a teen sneaking in "Bleu Nuit" softcore sessions on the late-night Saturday French channel, and though you didn't see much direct nudity (lots of bush in those days), they teased you so tastefully that they had your full attention regardless. I think my teen years put Kleenex stock through the roof.
Just_Jay79
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Why do stunning women go for geeks
Posted: 11/23/2010 12:08:49 PM
Like some other posters said: "Geek does not necessarily equate to ugly".
I'm the new-age engineer: mathematical smarts with a jock bod (thanks to a lifelong workout regime). The way I see it, I've got the best of both worlds - the scientific intellectual with a well-paying job, AND I've got the bod to excel in sports, wear high-fashion, and attract good-looking women.
Why WOULDN'T I go for stunning women if I score well across all the normal dating criteria?
I've met some breathtakingly-gorgeous women that watch Star Trek. Just because they're conventionally beautiful doesn't mean they can't be into unconventional things (or guys), and just because some of us are geeks, doesn't mean we don't have the muscles and physique to pound the Average Joe into the pavement.
Just_Jay79
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People who don't post their jobs.
Posted: 11/23/2010 8:35:50 AM
I don't like putting my actual profession up for two reasons:
1) All Engineers are stereotypically assumed to be Dilbert
2) My profession advertizes a certain salary range, and I don't want people dating me (or refusing to date me) based on that, hence why I don't advertise the Salary Field either on my profile. It's no one's business, and I'm not merging finances with anyone anytime soon...
So since I'm a consulting engineer, I usually just put "Consultant" and leave it at that. Later on when a girl asks, I'll answer, but I'm not going to broadcast it as I earn good money for my age - not doctor/lawyer good, but I'm the top earner amongst my closest friends, and already have way more assets at age 31.
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Why do women find sex on a first date so weird?
Posted: 11/23/2010 8:27:40 AM
I find it sad that this issue still pervades our society. Personally, I'm a male slut anyway, and my ideal woman is the female equivalent (don't like calling anyone a 'slut' aside from myself). I don't mind waiting for sex (within reason), but if both of us are feeling the moment, I'm going to go for it, and if she goes for it too, I consider myself LUCKY to have met someone open-minded and comfortable enough with themselves (and ME) to seize the moment.
I've had relationships with girls I've slept with on the first date, and ones I've never even slept with. Neither extreme has lasted longer than the other, nor the middle-ground for that matter (i.e. "sex after a certain waiting period"). All of my romantic relationships have lasted between 2 - 6 months, regardless of HOW they started.
The bigger risk to any relationship in MY case is my Wandering Eye and Wanderlust, which typically sets in around the 4-6 month mark when I find myself missing the Single Life and go on the hunt again for a new attractive companion. So most of my past ladies have never been at fault - I simply have my own quirks that sidetrack my long-term capabilities.
Just_Jay79
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Flirting when out with boyfriend/girlfriend
Posted: 11/22/2010 7:37:56 AM
Yes, and yet here we are, "experts" all, on a dating site....
If you're going to decree whether someone has dating "knowledge" or the right to an opinion based on something as transient as their relationship status, we're ALL in trouble...
I'm in a relationship at the moment; does that magically mean that I ALONE know how romance/seduction works and that anyone that isn't currently in a relationship doesn't?!
HOGWASH
Even someone that's been married for X years can only safely say "I know how to make my SPOUSE happy", not his/her entire GENDER. They could have spent 50 years courting one man/lady - fast forward to divorce / widowhood and where does that leave them on the dating circuit?
A) veteran because of their 50 years, or
B) a completely hapless pup since they never really went out with anyone else?
Don't mean to sidetrack things, but COME ON...
We learn about courtship, flirting and seduction by trying it with as many people as possible, which means we're going to be single for most of that experimental period (at least I would hope so, unless we're supposed to be Two-Timing).
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single and forty....
Posted: 11/22/2010 6:32:34 AM
I think that finding love, a LTR and/or marriage in the Over 40 category would be easier than the 30's. The reason that I believe this? The "Kids" issue is likely already settled, and that would be a great relief off of my mind.
Since most people tend to do the Baby Craze from their mid-20's to late 30's, any 40+ woman I encounter would have likely either:
a) Already have kids from a previous relationship / adoption, or
b) resigned herself to not have any, since most people would deem a 40+ year gap between parent & child "problematic"...
So then all I'd have to do is find a lady I like that falls under category (B), or at least one from category (A) whose kids are either old enough or being supported by their bilogical dad such that it's not my issue, and I can proceed with my idealized relationship of little direct dependence (on me)... I can just focus on THE TWO OF US, which for me, would be a great relief, and thus make me more open to the concept of marriage when I don't have to worry about the Baby Blues...
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Flirting when out with boyfriend/girlfriend
Posted: 11/22/2010 4:39:34 AM
I agree with the posters that question the OP's interpretation - all we have is your (and by hearsay account, your boyfriend's) take on the "lustful" glances and "discreet ogling".
She didn't say anything to him, she didn't approach him, nor beckon him to approach, or try to touch him. If looking at somebody is flirting/cheating then I've eye-humped the entire attractive taken female population and should have a class action lawsuit against me for sexual assault.
This reminds me of an old social psychology class I took where we briefly studied couples and their reaction to outsiders engaging them socially: they were studying how being in a relationship caused feelings of guilt in the partner being "approached" to the point they would go out of their way to act distant/aloof from any "advance" (i.e. attempt to get their attention) by other parties, even imagined ones that were actually innocuous but INTERPRETED as an attempt to woo...
Not saying that's the necessarily case here, but once in love people have a tendency to think their partner is the Bees Knees and that everyone in the world is trying to hump them... when quite frankly to the Uninvested Eye, they're hardly all that (and we may even be glad that you took them off the market so we don't have to deal with them).
Food for thought.
P.S.: As for me personally, I don't care if my partner is flirted with, and I just have fun entertaining people that try to flirt with me when I'm taken. I've had so many girls do the same to me over the years (dancing it up when they have a boyfriend at the back end of the bar), it can be fun when you're the one being pursued for a change, and now at age 31 it happens fairly often, but always with boundaries and disclosure.
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Does ANYONE out there actually fantasize about the person they're with?
Posted: 11/18/2010 8:16:56 AM
There are no rules when it comes to fantasy, but the only recommendation I'd make is to keep it to yourself, or failing that, divulge in the most succinct and tactful manner you can to avoid negative repercussions.
I'm at an age (31) where there is such a wide range of women I deem sexually attractive to me (typically age 20-45), my mind is simply too fickle to focus on any one woman, even in the heat of the moment. So there are days where my mind will wander - sometimes to a hot female friend of mine, or the girl at my gym, a random lady I saw in the street, an attractive coworker, or a girl my subconscious dreamed up the night before... Other times I simply envisage my partner with the same personality I adore but their Idealized Body (how best they'd look to MY mind if they worked out more at the gym or were proportioned differently).
Not to say that there aren't days where I'm so rapt with my partner that I only think about her, but I'm done chastizing myself with guilt for thoughts outside of my spouse. After so many years it's just my nature, I guess...
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trust vs. loyalty which is more important?
Posted: 11/18/2010 8:00:20 AM
While I can separate the two concepts, and live my life with someone with one, the other, or both simultaneously, I don't think I can rank one higher than the other.
To me, trust equates to hope/faith, and like the old circular church argument - "faith precludes proof"; i.e. the moment you actually have to TEST trust/faith, you've already lost it and the results become moot. Trust, to me, is basically leaving an aspect of yourself or property completely open to someone else (hopefully with enough honor not to betray you), such that you could truly be 'burned' should they fail you. In that regard, I don't think I truly trust anyone (since I'm always preparing contingency plans), including myself, as even I can at times be my own worst enemy...
My definition of loyalty is simply sticking with / supporting someone and keeping your word/pledge of allegiance. For me, the "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health" portion of the standard marriage vow is a public pledge of unwavering support, i.e. you are pledging your eternal loyalty to your spouse, and would sooner die than
leave
them.
Note that I call attention to the word 'LEAVE', as you can be loyal to someone's overall cause while still being disloyal as to the specifics or the means by which the cause is reached/accomplished.
Hence my twisted cynical/pragmatic side can also see an adulterer that still sticks it out "for the kids" and supports the household/family as "loyal", as he/she hasn't formally abandoned their spouse/kin despite clearly doing so romantically/sexually.
Ideally of course, I would hope for both in a longterm romantic relationship. I am however, prepared to live with neither and still have someone in my life, so long as I find them entertaining enough (I just wouldn't marry, share assets or live with them).
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older guys younger women
Posted: 11/16/2010 6:54:07 AM
Thread is older men chasing younger women--spoof men and their pathetic fear of aging, balding and losing their sex appeal,hahaha.
I do indeed look down upon men that fail to age well, as it's so much easier for them to keep things in check. We predominantly have more muscle mass, hence a higher resting metabolism. It shouldn't be rocket science to keep the flabby gut off, yet so many men fail to do the simple disciplined steps necessary to keep their physique as they age.
The "easiest" way to avoid the ravages of age is simply to STAY FIT, and that goes for BOTH genders:
(1) For women, this means actually trying to put ON a little more lean muscle to help raise their resting metabolism and offset the female body's natural tendency for fat accumulation. Key problem areas being triceps, glutes (butt), abdominals.
(2) For men, it means taking a page from Women's example and try to watch what they eat for once in their lives, and do more cardiovascular and body-resistance exercises. Better heart function = better chance at maintaining that sagging erection... lol
If there's one thing I've noticed being a fitness fanatic for the last 12 years, it's that the genders seem to have their goals a$$-backwards when it comes to their workouts: guys trying to put on more muscle they don't really need while their flexbility and cardiovascular fitness are neglected; while women burn off as many calories as they can while barely eating, not realizing that they're burning off muscle too which only lowers/hinders their resting metabolism, which contributes far more to your total daily caloric consumption than the one-hour workout.
As for fear of balding, I pity any man that worries about that too. I lost my hair at 19 and didn't skip a beat. I just worked on my physique, and my workouts have borne fruit: I get hit on by ladies aged 24 to 39 without them even ASKING my age before we've gone out on a date or two. Then their jaws drop when I tell them I'm 31. No one has minded the baldness either...
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Posted: 11/15/2010 4:55:43 AM
Pasmal, I guess the numerous disclaimer words like "spoof", "may", "some", "probably" were lost on you, eh?
If someone starts a post saying it's a spoof (i.e. joking diatribe), and even goes through the additional care to avoid using absolutes, one can hardly be guilty of claiming to espouse the Gospel Truth or generalizations, can they?
I simply chained together some hilarious musings based on stereotypical observations, to have fun with the topic. You need to relax a little, one guy's forum post isn't about the shatter the world.
I'm glad that YOU seem to fit into the same jeans you wore when you were 16. I would be willing to bet you my car that if we took a random statistical sampling of 1,000 ladies at age 20 (to be fair and ensure puberty is over/declining), and took the same sampling again at age 30, 40, and 50, you would no doubt see an expansion of proportions in the majority (50+1%) of child-bearers and non-childbearers alike. Even my own mother, who came to this country 40 years ago weighing 98lbs has gained roughly a pound a year, now reaching an "average woman's" weight of high 130's. This is especially true of previous generations where the notion of a gym membership was less common.
The thread topic was about older guys chasing younger women, and the negative reactions given by SOME ladies to this practice. Had the thread been titled "Older Women, younger men", I would have written a fun spoof about sexy Mrs. Robinsons with heard-earned taught frames and oiled up muscular pool-boys.
P.S.: Definition of SPOOF, so you don't get too confused again:
spoof (spf):
www.thefreedictionary.com/spoof
n.
1. Nonsense; tomfoolery.
2. A hoax.
3. A gentle satirical imitation; a light parody.
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Is alot of make-up sexy or the natural look better,what do all of you think?????
Posted: 11/10/2010 1:37:51 PM
As little as possible please, I prefer Au Naturel whenever it's available.
My current girlfriend usually doesn't wear any, except if we go out on the town, and then it's only eye-liner/shadow and/or lip gloss (I don't count nail painting as there's no deception there as to her features).
She likes how it makes her look; I personally don't mind either way, so long as she fits her clothes well (and looks good naked
).
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being real vs playing...
Posted: 11/10/2010 8:18:21 AM
I've experienced similar occurrences. I like to be candid and am a simple man of simple tastes, but that seldom goes over well in the initial courtship. However if I leave a bunch of their questions half-answered and don't take too firm a stance on certain potentially-game-ending topics (e.g. marriage, children, etc.), all of a sudden I've got no shortage of dates even if I allude to being in "wrong" category thereafter (i.e. I don't really need/want kids, marriage, etc.)
It reminds me of the Single vs Taken Attraction Phenomenon: when a guy is single and hard-up, getting a date is tough; when he's taken and doesn't give a sh*t, he's a pick-up machine. Something about the nonchalant attitude reels them in (perhaps some women like the challenge of trying to "tame" you).
I've been dating for months now, pretty happily too, and yet one free night out with my single friends and I can pretty much end the night with a phone number I didn't even ask for (thankfully I haven't been tempted to take them up on it).
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If you had the perfect partner how often would you want sex?
Posted: 11/10/2010 4:28:39 AM
How often would I want sex if I had the perfect lover?
Depends on how easy it is for her to orgasm, and how active she is during sex. Typically I'm doing most of the physical effort, so it's like a second workout (when I already spend 90 minutes per day in the gym) - quite frankly I'm physically tired at nights from my bodybuilding workouts, so if she's expecting an hour thrust session solely by MY efforts, I'm not going to want sex that often. 3 or 4 times a week would be fine by me, sometimes more, sometimes less, and I certainly don't need it twice in a day (morning then night) since I like to drag things out in one prolonged tantric-like session.
After that, my lust quota is spent for the day (similar to my gym high), and I'd rather continue doing other productive things / hobbies.
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Is it Wrong to call a woman handsome?
Posted: 11/8/2010 2:37:54 PM
The only time I've heard the word "handsome" applied to women is when you're talking about a mature lady, usually of the post-menopausal variety who's had some gray hair set in and her frame filled out such that only traces of her former youthful beauty can be gleaned/inferred. It is a term akin to "you were hot in your day".
It's a compliment, but it's kind of a back-handed one, as very few women take it well when you directly comment that they've aged; like calling a woman "ma'am" when she's only a couple of years older than you - be prepared for waterworks... or a stabbing.
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What is it with men N freaking condoms!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 11/3/2010 11:56:42 AM
Sorry, I'm not going to be one of those guys who's girl swore she was on birth control during the baby shower but got pregnant anyway.
That's why my girlfriend got the birth control PATCH. It's a giant Band-Aid worn on the buttocks or just above, rotating the application point each week. Hormones absorbed through the skin.
Man that thing is a Godsend for both of us -
a) for her, because she simply has to slap a new one on each Friday which is far easier to remember, and can even go 2-3 days beyond without resuming fertility. No worrying about missing the scheduled daily pill time and worrying about the consequences...
b) for ME because I can be sure she's WEARING IT. I can usually see it just popping out of the top of her pants when she bends over, even on the days I don't see her naked. The thing is pretty waterproof too, though we've occasionally had to tape the sucker down after a prolonged bath or shower.
The patch, combined with monitoring your partner's menstrual cycle can be an excellent anti-'oops' protection scheme... Women are most fertile for around 10-14 days starting a week after their period ends, depending on their cycle variation (26-32 days), according to the pregnancy book I read...
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The Longer it takes To Get Her in Bed..The Lousier the Lover?
Posted: 11/3/2010 6:41:27 AM
I would say the woman's mentality behind WHY she's waiting will be the truer indicator of her sexual prowess, or lack thereof.
I've had some women jump my bones instantly (after 2 hours over drinks), and others make me wait weeks. One never gave it up at all in the end (virgin). Of that span of women, the one that jumped me in 2 hours was INSANELY talented - we're talking my toes were so curled by the finish that I couldn't walk properly, my pelvic region was in traction, and I lost half the fluids in my body. However what made her that awesome was her attitude, appetite, and openess about sex, not the fact that she wasted no time before jumping my bones (though that was also appreciated).
I've also had a past girlfriend that made me wait three weeks, during which time she'd barely even let me kiss her. At first I was worried that she was a total prude, and that she would be a cold fish / dead body when the time came. However she shattered all of my preconceptions - the reason she waited and avoided contact was that she was a total nympho, and the second things she let things get any further than a light peck on the lips, she was going to tear off my clothes and do things that would make a grown man weep with gratitude.
Long story short - the wait time isn't as important as the motivation behind the wait time.
Of course by age 31 I'm not waiting any longer than 3-4 weeks regardless of circumstances. Men & women both know if they want to bang within the first moments of meeting. The rest is get-to-know-you protocol.
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What is it with men N freaking condoms!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 11/3/2010 6:29:38 AM
Like some other posters have alluded, some men simply have impeded sexual function with condoms. I only recently confirmed that I seem to be such a person.
For the first 10 years of my sexually-active life I always used condoms, and always found it difficult to finish unless I had held off on touching myself for a week (at which point I was so hard up that a light warm breeze could probably finish me off).
However each time I actually tried to get physical with my past girlfriends, I was sailing at 3/4 mast and eventually things would fizzle after a good 15-20 minutes. Usually it was long enough for her to get off, but I seldom finished unless it was with a BJ/HJ afterward. I assumed it was nerves since that can also play with a man's mojo, and I still wasn't that experienced (up to mid 20's).
I had my first isolated bareback experience a few years ago and it was mind-blowing the difference it made, but since the girl I was with was such a firecracker, I chalked it up to her skills & enthusiasm rather than the shift in sensation. When we split, back to condom sex and lackluster experiences... :(
Finally last year I started having bareback again, regularly this time, and sure enough this trumped all past sexual experiences. Even if I'm only barely in the mood at the beginning, the improved sensation snaps me to full attention regardless of how many times I may have gone before. Recharge time is also greatly reduced (in some cases down right eliminated if I don't stop the stroke), and enjoyment is through the roof.
I don't advocate having unprotected sex with strangers
- you should get yourself AND your partner tested BEFORE engaging in such a risky activity
. Also regardless of if you're monogamous, ensure that your trust is validated, as you are playing with your life. But if you are lucky enough to HAVE a partner that is trustworthy, the sex is top notch.
I leave pregnancy concerns to another thread/debate.
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Is this the beginning to the end?
Posted: 11/2/2010 7:57:45 AM
"Is this the beginning of the end?"
NO, I would say that this is the beginning of the middle - the end of the honeymoon phase, the start of the actual day-to-day relationship, where the excitement may fade a little but the comfort increases exponentially.
I hit that point with my girlfriend last month - we've been dating for 4+months now, and spent as many waking moments as we could together (entire weekends), often to the detriment of our own beloved hobbies. The day I knew that I was TRULY beginning to become comfortable with her was the lazy Sunday I had my arm around her and mustered the balls to ask: "Honey, would you mind terribly if you read your book for a while and I played my video game?"
Though I only play videogames 3-5 hours a week, I hadn't had any time to do so since I started spending my entire weekends with her. I felt a pang of loss, though I far more enjoyed the time we were spending getting to know one another. However at one point you're going to want to get back SOME semblance of your pre-relationship life/routine, and that was what I asked for.
She granted it gladly, avidly reading her novel cuddling/leaning against me while I played, and after an hour I turned the bloody thing off and hugged her closer than ever, thanking her for giving me some space to do my own thing once in a while. When you're with somebody special, you don't have to give up the other things you enjoy, and can appreciate/feel their presence even if they're not always interacting with you directly.
So let this guy have his night off, and he'll likely come back missing you all the more.
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Posted: 11/2/2010 7:10:34 AM
^^^
Glad somebody enjoyed it: I had a little too much free time on my hands this morning and was in a spunky mood.
Naturally I can't speak for ALL, or even MANY women since I've only probably seen several thousand out of Billions in person; but as a lifelong observer and ogler of women at all ages in my life, I've managed to glean some theories based on people watching & chats.
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Can men deal with NOT getting blowjobs?
Posted: 11/2/2010 6:20:35 AM
I can deal with not getting them frequently, or even for very long for that matter (quick warm-up foreplay), provided that she's on the pill and we trust each other enough to have bare sex. The sensation of sex without a condom MORE than makes up for the lack of similar sensation during a BJ in my opnion, and bare-back sex normally trumps BJ's because you usually ALWAYS get to finish inside, maximizing the sensation whereas she may pull away at the last minute during a BJ.
However I still like getting BJ's, and I LOVE going down on my lady. If she feels cunnilingus is "icky" and doesn't want it, fine, I'll let my fingers do the walking. If she doesn't even want THAT, then I might get concerned, unless she's so naturally riled up that straightforward sex gets her off fiercely and frequently.
Lastly if a woman I'm dating doesn't want to receive and consequently never GIVES, then I may be out the door because I still LIKE to receive, even if it's only once in a blue moon. An eternal monogamy together without BJ's feels like... well.. an eternity.
"Just because she chooses to be a vegetarian doesn't make me one by default."
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Posted: 11/2/2010 5:10:30 AM
Honestly I think this turns into a "bitter" issue for SOME women
simply due to the loss of male attention sufficiently-advanced age will inevitably bring
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"A Chronological Spoof on the Rise and Fall of Male Attention to Women":
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(1) When they're little girls (pre-pubescent), they are invisible to the eyes of sexually-aware males (
as well they should be!
) as well as their male peers (i.e. boys finding girls "icky").
(2) Move on to puberty - they pop a set of boobs, but still have the face of a child. Now they're starting to catch the attention of their male peers, who are also undergoing puberty and discovering new urges. Sadly depending on how quickly the girl matures, she may also start attracting the glances of guys "a little TOO old" to be looking at her THAT way. Point is - she is now on Male Radar, even if it's only a subset and she starts to get a taste for being the center of attention from males age 10 - 20.
(3) Move on to young adulthood (age 18-25) - she's now fully grown (though possibly not fully filled out), and that can lead to the smoking hot Girls Gone Wild types that both the young and the old are drooling over. If she's reasonably attractive, she's going to get ogles from 10-year old boys all the way up to 30-40 year old men (and the occasional 50+ "creepster Sugar Daddy-wannabe"). By now she likely complains about the "endless attention", but would be PISSED if everyone simultaneously stopped paying attention to her (think of the infamous Bar Girl that gets all done up, but if no one hits on her, she scowls & sulks all night).
This is probably the prime time in a woman's life for male attention
, where it may feel like the entire world is trying to bed her and that she has her pick of the litter. Moving on to the decline...
(4) The Dirty 30's: This is when the woman has usually found her sexual groove, but sadly Father Time has started to take chase. If she doesn't start taking care of herself, that Hot Little 20-something college co-ed may now be wrapped in an extra 20lbs of belly/butt fat that didn't used to be there. This is when the first outbreak of the infamous "
I look good for my AGE
" and "
Real Women have Curves
" mantras start being sung...
Do not despair though: men aged 20 - 50 will still try and pick you up if you're decent looking and approachable. However the age range that will actually try to romance you is about to narrow...
(5) Mid-Life MILF (40's): At this point the lady has established herself in life and can probably afford fancier clothes & accessories, but all that equates to is fancy wrapping paper to distract from a probably expanded frame (if she didn't get things in check during the 30's metabolism shift). Add the possibility of a kid or two in between and that taught hottie is now a shadow of the less-well-fed past, though perhaps traces of the face still remain. 20-30 year old horndogs will try to Cougar Hunt, men 45-65+ will likely try to date her if she's still attractive and/or pleasant. Men age 30-44 will likely be focusing on women age 25-39 that haven't quite ballooned yet. Now the disparaging looks at any "age-mismatched" couple begin, as she realizes she may be in the Out-Group and lament some of the "lost attention"...
(6) Fabulous 50's: By now the gray has come in, and if a woman has made it to this point with most of her original frame intact, I say BRAVO. If she actually pulled it off, men age 45-65 will likely be beating down her door. If she kept packing on the pounds or didn't age as well, men 60+ will at least still be knocking on her door IF she's pleasant. Men 40 & below will likely trip over her before noticing her as a sexual creature and address her as "ma'am".
(7) Sedentary 60+: Well by now most women start to look like old men anyway - their hair is usually kept shorter, and things have plumped and sagged to the point that both the man AND the woman may look like Danny Devito. At this point your other peers and those older than you (70+) are likely the only ones to notice and possibly woo. But let's face it, by now you've had your run and would you really want young pups trying to bang Grandma anyway?
So there you have it, a chronological spoof on the rise & decline of Male Attention towards women as they age, and why that may be the source of SOME women's "anger" when they suddenly find themselves "invisible" again before they're ready.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 8:22:38 AM
Honestly keeping it simple and not acting like you'll shatter into a million pieces if she says no is probably the best advice offerred to you thus far.
No elaborate ruses, deceptions, or complicated strategies necessary. Just start with some simple chat as you always have, then use a well-placed compliment about something you REALLY admire about her (her humour, her smile, NOT TITS, etc.) and then say something like "
I've grown to really admire/enjoy the way you xxxx (compliment)... Lately I've found myself wishing I could be with you and experience those kind of good times more often. What do you think?
".
No SANE woman can be sent running scared for the hills from an earnest compliment and request for her company. She may still well decline, but she'll at least be flattered, and SHOULD she decline, smile and accept it gracefully and see if you can move on from it. At least you tried.
P.S.: Every now and again there are women that will reject your first attempt to see if you truly had enough interest to attempt again. These however are far harder to read in my opinion, and not really worth it unless you're in love because it's a fine line between 'persistent' and 'stalker'.
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Am I the only one turned off by technology?
Posted: 10/29/2010 6:29:21 AM
^^^
Some wonderful little anecdotes in there...
I laughed because I went through a lot of the same shocks! (caller ID, faxes & microwaves blew my mind, pagers, the internet, MP3s, digital cameras).
I was always one generation behind though: by the time people started using cell phones I had just finally resorted to getting a pager, and now that most people live off of "smart" phones like BlackBerry's and iPhones, I just use a regular LG cell. I've just never been popular enough to require the top selling communication devices (3 people call me in a week).
I DO love the digital camera though: I never used to bother taking photos because not only did you have to buy the film, but then you had to pay the developper (pharmacies offered the service) and have some stranger seeing your potentially private photos!
Plus I like being able to just view them on my PC, so I'm glad digital cameras & Photoshop eliminated the need to scan endless albums...
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Am I the only one turned off by technology?
Posted: 10/28/2010 10:12:09 AM
And most of all, I remember when if we called someone and no one picked up the phone (pre voicemail / answering machine), WE CALLED BACK LATER.
Right, and NOW people can use this tech to ignore people and NOT return their calls. lol!
That is funny, but where I was headed with my past statement was that people seem to freak out now if someone can't be reached instantaneously. I've literally had a couple of former dates/girlfriends get PISSED at me because "I didn't respond to their text" quickly enough, when in some cases the Bell server didn't even deliver the darn thing to me until hours later (if at all).
A little patience waiting for someone to get back to you goes a long way, as does freeing yourself of the presumption that they will always be available at your beck and call.
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Am I the only one turned off by technology?
Posted: 10/27/2010 8:26:22 AM
Three words:
ESCALATION OF IMPATIENCE
Having the world and a wealth of digital information/connections brought easily to our fingertips has empowered/advanced our society in a lot of ways, but it has also come with risks and a price: getting easy quick access to anything can also lead to impatience since you're no longer used to waiting, and worse yet, you may have even forgotten HOW to wait.
I was born in '79 (hence the username), and count myself fortunate to have been born just early enough to witness the transition into the Digital Age and the new world of Ubiquitous Computing (for those unfamiliar with the expression, it means computers that are so omnipresent in everything you use and/or everywhere you go that you no longer notice them, i.e. they fade into the background). I can remember a time when most homes DIDN'T have a computer of ANY kind (we didn't get one until the Atari 2600 game system in '84). I can remember a time where you wrote everything down on a notepad or scrap of paper. I can remember long division by hand. And most of all, I remember when if we called someone and no one picked up the phone (pre voicemail / answering machine), WE CALLED BACK LATER.
It is that mentality, the
"oh, I guess they're not home, I'll call later and HOPE I reach them"
that has died a swift death in the wake of the Digital Age.
Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE technology, and even graduated with a Bachelor's in Computer Engineering. But despite my awe at the wondrous evolution of digital inventions, I'm old enough to question some of their worth. Case in point, my PC is 8 years old because quite frankly, a Pentium 4 is more than fast enough to do the personal work of the average layperson at home. Yet we have people getting the latest toy because they can't bear to wait an extra 5 seconds to do something, when what they're trying to do probably isn't even THAT important.
The thing I fear most about this collective epidemic of impatience is the day in the distant future where some "genius" proposes replacing the World Wide Web (www) with the "Global Neural Network" (GNN, completely fictitious example): where they propose us collectively jacking our brains into a neural messaging & file/thought-sharing system to "save us even more time"...
We're already seeing the call for it - office environments where stressed out managers call your extension two SECONDS after sending you the e-mail that they're calling about and expecting it to have magically popped inside your brain instanteously. We need to collectively decide as a society just "how fast" do we need to be rushing, before we burn ourselves out, possibly for good.
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Posted: 10/21/2010 10:12:07 AM
You got me on the lazy part Jay. It’s generally true, I prefer to avoid work where possible - and it’s also true I did not read your earlier post. But I was careful to put my “challenges” into interrogatory form. That usually means I am looking for information and not making assertions - or disparaging remarks of a personal nature.
I appreciate your clarification. Over the years the forums have degenerated into a "don't read, just attack what you
think
they meant" mentality, that I'm also guilty of assuming you had negative intentions. My apologies on that score.
I see what you’re saying about splitting bills on a percentage basis. It still doesn’t work. If she makes 20k and I make 120 and we plan our spending so we have the same percentage of residual ‘discretionary money’ - say 30% of our net, she would have $6,000 to spend or save each year, and I would have $36,000.
I see what you're saying about the lady in your example only having $6,000 left over for fun money, but you also have to look at the fact that she's getting to live a lifestyle 2-3X exceeding her normal means had she been single with that crappy 20k job.
At 20k she would have been living in an apartment paying rent the rest of her life and likely getting around via bus pass or scooter. Partnered with a spouse that earns 120k she's living in a house which she at least partially OWNs, probably has access to a car she partially OWNs, and is likely eating better food and wearing better clothes than she could have simultaneously managed solo, plus she still has 6k of her own mad money to boot (whereas if she was single every dime would likely be going to keeping the bill collectors away).
As for the theoretical "husband" in your example, it may look like he's getting the sh*t end of the stick, but I'd assume that he consciously CHOSE to love & live with a woman that makes crap money, and thus it was inevitable that he'd have to subsidize her to some extent, or live in paired squalor at her current level of means in an attempt to keep things "even".
So long as "he" doesn't try to lord it over "her" whenever an argument breaks out, I still see this as the fairest arrangement possible between a couple with such disparate income. I personally would never marry a chick that made 1/6 what I do precisely because I DON'T want to subsidize her during marriage and then after divorce in alimony.
Just_Jay79
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Posted: 10/20/2010 5:09:54 AM
Consigliori challenged:
Are you suggesting that each partner should make equal contributions to living expenses and then put the difference into separate individual accounts for their own use? So do you limit the couple's joint lifestyle by the lesser income? Both parties contribute X to the joint account and the one party who makes more gets to put more away while the other party puts away nothing?
Sigh, if you had actually bothered to dig out my past post that I was referring to (msg #133, Page 6), you would have seen the Equitable Division Percentage scheme I proposed, which does NOT equate to 50/50 unless both partners earn exactly the SAME amount. Since you're lazy and quick to jump to the attack, I'll recap it for you here:
Excerpt from MY msg #133, Page 6:
I think that a joint account should be put in place to handle JOINT expenses for the couple, i.e. mortgage, insurance, children's education, etc., with SEPARATE personal accounts for any excess.
Moreso I think that the couple should have to split the joint bills by percentage proportional to their respective net incomes, which will be paid into the communal expense fund.
What I mean is that if Jane Doe nets $60,000 a year after the tax-man's cut, and John Doe nets $40,000 a year, then for any SHARED expense that comes in, Jane should be contributing 60% (60,000 / 100,000 x 100%) and John should be contributing 40% of the expense amount (40,000 / 100,000 x 100%). Similarly if John is a stay-at-home dad with no income, then Jane unfortunately is stuck footing 100% of the bills (but I think long-term single income families have pretty much gone the way of the Dodo in this hemisphere).
It's the only fair equation that I can PERSONALLY envisage working regardless of what each partner earns, PROVIDED they are living a lifestyle that does not exceed their COMBINED NET INCOME. If they're living beyond their communal means, then both John and Jane are screwed since neither of them has enough scratch to cover the bills.
Just_Jay79
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why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/19/2010 10:52:17 AM
The problem I can see some people having with pet owners is the following issues:
1) shedding
2) poop
3) slobber
4) barking
5) constant demand for attention
6) possibly gross expressions of affection to the pet, like kissing your dog/cat on the lips and then expecting your date to kiss YOU
I don't own pets because I'm a bit of a neat freak - it already irks me when I have to vacuum the shedded hair from the WOMEN that visit my place; I don't need Fluffy or Spot's sheddings added to the mix. I also like to keep my clothes & electronics in pristine condition, and shed hair is statically attracted to the darndest things.
Since I also like my hands clean, I hate that I constantly have to wash my hands due to a pet demanding to be petted, or licking my hand in thanks. My inner Neat Freak finds it revolting, however "cute" the animal may be. I've learned to tolerate & play with my girlfriend's brother's cat, but I still would never have it live in MY place.
Lastly the "kissing your pets" thing - simpy yack. I can't bring myself to kiss a woman that just french-kissed her dog (i.e. the dog's tongue practically penetrated her lips while licking her).
Just_Jay79
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Posted: 10/19/2010 7:12:36 AM
Ok lets say one in the marriage takes out a credit card the other knows nothing about because they are planning to bail on the marriage. (happened to me) If you don't have a pre nup and keep personal accounts it can cost the one that knew nothing about it.
Nope it is just not worth it.
I agree. Hence why in my second previous post where I laid out my opinion of the ideal division of assets/accounts, I recommended separate accounts for any excess finances each partner earns, and one joint account for the communcal living/child expenses. Extending this proposal to account for credit cards, since we live in a virtually plastic society, it should be very easy to keep track of who's spending on what, if each partner keeps one personal credit card for their own fun use, and share a pair of credit cards tied exclusively to the communal expense fund.
Might seem like a miserly amount of paperwork to some, but it would only require a minor mental shift before the behaviour became automatic and seemed natural, like how small business owner adapted to always asking for receipts to claim expenditures as business expenses.
Funny we are expected to celebrate the anniversary of the wedding every year.......Wouldn't it be frugal to keep important papers like wills and pre nups up to date so if we die or divorce during the year so our wishes are known?
I agree once again, but you and I are probably seen as far too "practical/logical/cold" individuals to be considered "normal" by society's touchy-feely taboos.
The problem is that some people automatically equate preparation for the worst to EXPECTATION of the worst.
There is an important distinction between the two, but it sails over the head of most. "Make peace but prepare for war", that's my motto. The odds of you getting caught with your pants down are far less when you consider ALL possible scenarios, not jus the rosy ones.
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Different types... of what was the original thread again?
Posted: 10/19/2010 5:44:30 AM
I tend to believe that women's opinions tend to be much more varied. I am not sure why that is but it seems to be the case. Most guys will agree on hot, not hot. Women not so much.
I believe this may have to do with the fact that women consider the ensemble, while men typically just consider the parts. For example, a girl may consider a guy hot because of his fashion sense / hairstyle, while most guys couldn't give a crap what a girl is wearing so long as he can tell that the body underneath is in good proportion. Since things like fashion sense are subjective, they're open for a much wider critique than just the physique of the subject.
Personally I prefer the Guy Way: it's so much easier to get consensus on "hot" or "not" amongst a group of male friends, especially if you're wingmen, as good wingmen quickly understand what type of female form you're hunting for after a simple explanation (or one or two lewdly drawn pictograms).
Just_Jay79
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Posted: 10/18/2010 12:50:44 PM
As I said, I don't have a problem with a pre-nup but by definition, that's an agreement made prior to marriage. But when you say it's something that has to be signed each year or else divorce proceedings will ensue, then your relationship is not "truly about love," it's been reduced to a financial transaction.
The problem is that marriage itself is a dual entity that has both romantic AND financial unions, and therefore should require romantic AND financial preparation and safeguards.
We spend months and/or years together with our potential spouses, growing and living together, trying to see if they're "the one" whom we'll pledge our hearts / loyalty / soul to (depending on your religious / philosophical viewpoints), yet so few of us ever truly spend the requisite time discussing MONEY, finances, planning, etc.
You hear cute couples yap endlessly during their relationship honeymoon phase about what their hypothetical kids look like, but not a one of them ever discuss how they damn well plan to pay/provide for them.
How many couples discuss their salaries with the first few months of dating? Years? Ever? How many willingly disclose their assets, net worth, etc. from the start? Heck we've seen threads where people have admitted to waiting until AFTER they were married to fess up that they have X THOUSAND dollars of debt...
So I don't see anything wrong with a pre-nup that rolls over annually. Sure it might seem "tacky" to some, but couples renegotiate their life insurance and health insurance policies all the time when their company renews their plan (in my case, every 2 years). So if people make changes to such monumental financial outcomes such as the settlement paid out in case of their natural death, why is it SO frightening to some to periodically discuss, plan and renegotiate the terms of the financial health?
Annually seems a tad much for MY tastes, but I could easily opt for a recurring 5-year reassessment. I'd probably update my will at that frequency too...
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Posted: 10/13/2010 11:47:43 AM
I think that a joint account should be put in place to handle JOINT expenses for the couple, i.e. mortgage, insurance, children's education, etc., with SEPARATE personal accounts for any excess.
Moreso I think that the couple should have to split the joint bills by percentage proportional to their respective net incomes, which will be paid into the communal expense fund.
What I mean is that if Jane Doe nets $60,000 a year after the tax-man's cut, and John Doe nets $40,000 a year, then for any SHARED expense that comes in, Jane should be contributing 60% (60,000 / 100,000 x 100%) and John should be contributing 40% of the
expense amount
(40,000 / 100,000 x 100%). Similarly if John is a stay-at-home dad with no income, then Jane unfortunately is stuck footing 100% of the bills (but I think long-term single income families have pretty much gone the way of the Dodo in this hemisphere).
It's the only fair equation that I can PERSONALLY envisage working regardless of what each partner earns, PROVIDED they are living a lifestyle that does not exceed their COMBINED NET INCOME. If they're living beyond their communal means, then both John and Jane are screwed since neither of them has enough scratch to cover the bills.
However if they're living within their means, say their joint expenses total $50,000, then Jane would have $30,000 leftover ($60K - $50K x 60%), and John would have $20,000 leftover for personal use/investing. And of course, if John & Jane both exactly netted $50,000 a year each, then they'd each have paid $25,000 to the expense fund and have $25,000 each for personal discretion. All's fair and right with the world.
Of course I'd like to also assume that despite having separate accounts for excess earnings, the couple would have the decency to remain TRANSPARENT in their financial dealings/status at all times so they can still PLAN a future together (e.g. retirement)...
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Diff Types of men and who we have relationships with...
Posted: 10/6/2010 10:26:52 AM
An interesting question:
There are basically 3 types of men...
1- Men that have LTRs/marriage with women that are better looking than they are
2- Men that have LTRs/marriage with women that are similar looking
3- Men that have LTRs/marriage with women that are less attractive than they are
guys - which type are you?
women- which type are you? (from your angle)
Sadly the question seems doomed to failure - only the most self-critical of people (that basically lack a sense of ego self-preservation) are EVER going to consider themselves LESS attractive. We're wired to apply all kinds of self-serving skews to our perception until we come out on top (or at least the infamous "average").
Therefore sadly the only way I could ever hope to discern what is "better looking", "average" and "uglier" is by sampling the reactions of each person I encounter and see how many positive, indifferent, and negative reactions I receive (sadly these too will still be tainted by MY perceptions of those terms).
Which type am I?
I'll say #3, the most arrogant option, i.e. the guy that has LTR's with women "less attractive" than I am. On one or two rare, fortunate times, I have been #2.
Why do I think this?
Well while I've dated many ladies, all of whom I'd consider pretty at the very least (or I wouldn't have bothered pursuing them sexually/romantically in the first place), most of their lifestyle habits simply set them up for failure as far as the
longevity
of their looks
was concerned. Quite simply: through diligent training, my body remained at the same "attractive" physique for the past 10 years while age/bad habits started to take its toll on theirs: packing on the pounds for no discernible reason other than they simply no longer lead a balanced enough lifestyle to offset their slowing metabolism.
Final Answers on LTR comptability:
(physical basis only, per the OP's request)
(3) Since I've invariably broken up with most of them, either due to their immediate decrease in attractiveness, or the natural extrapolation one can draw based on their currently deteriorating habits, it stands to say that girls that I deem "less attractive than myself" don't have longterm compatibility due to my unwillingness to stay with them.
(2) Girls with "similar levels" of attractiveness seem to fare much better, break-ups usually only arising from differing attitudes / life goals (e.g. children, marriage, family pressures, etc.).
(1) I've never been fortunate enough to land the sorts of ladies I deem "more attractive than myself", so I have no LTR experience with those. I've picked up a few by chance on little trysts, but sadly have lacked the flair necessary to secure their longterm interest... I may be cute, but that doesn't mean I'm not boring to some people.
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