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Thread: What was she thinking?
Tigerwoods0924
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What was she thinking?
Posted:
11/18/2009 11:55:33 AM
My sincerest apologies
. Must be a male PMS day on my part today,
I hereby publicly kick myself in the nuts for my premature and erroneous accusation
. (Sadly there is no emoticon for that particular action, but it's obscenely painful, I assure you,
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Tigerwoods0924
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What was she thinking?
Posted:
11/18/2009 11:11:06 AM
Well the OP's story sounds like yet another wacky online dating horror story, on th bright side all he wasted was a couple of drinks on himself, unlike the numerous other folks that wind up wasting their hard-earned cash on the actual weirdo/liar/etc.
As for two other poster's comments:
a) "Offensive" terms
Mongoloid originally and still PRIMARILY refers to someone bearing the asian racial features of a Mongolian, i.e. someone from Mongolia ("yellowish-brown skin pigmentation, straight black hair, dark eyes with pronounced epicanthic folds, and prominent cheekbones ").
That the term has been coopted as an obscure deragatory slight for people with Down's Syndrome is unfortunate, but far from common in popular expression. I've barely even heard the word used, and I watch the most politically-incorrect and offensive range of television/movies possible. The oft-used pejorative "retard" is a far more likely insult to be used against these sorts of individuals...
I'm not even going to get started on 69, read into it what you will. If a simple number sends you running for your PC Bat Signal, you're already too far gone to save.
b) Mail restrictions:
ETA: I tried to message the OP privately about the bar he met his date at, but I wasn't allowed to because I'm too old-lol. OP, maybe if you dated women your own age these things wouldn't happen to you.
If you'd actually read his mail restrictions on his profile, age isn't the one blocking you. He has "Older than 21" specified, and you're 36, so unless POF has "a problem with The Maths", it's the fact that his profile says "Must live within 75 MILES" to message him, at which point you probably live too far away to qualify...
I love how people just bash a dude without even getting their basic facts straight...
Best of luck Mongoloid69, keep the user name, if for nothing else than to weed out the excessively squeamish/sensitive from your dating radar as your life will be a lot easier without them...
Tigerwoods0924
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Heavier Americans Push Back on Health Debate
Posted:
11/17/2009 11:59:11 AM
Hmm well I'm all for multiple-tiered health care but it is indeed a slippery slope that must be treaded carefully.
On the topic of obesity, while I do not support the "Yay For Fat!" movement, I can understand why fat people get touchy about the constant ridicule... After all, I used to be one of them, eating myself to 35% body fat during my mid-teens through depression eating. But I CHOSE to change, because one day I woke up ANGRY, not at others, but at MYSELF for allowing myself to "fall so far".
You can't order an obese/overweight person to lose weight, nor can you cajole/coerce/entice or threaten them into changing their diet and exercising more vigorously. THEY HAVE TO WANT TO.
So the only logical solution I can think of is finding a motivation tool that speaks to YOU personally, and makes you WANT to change yourself, knowing full well it will be one of the longest and most painful personal journeys you will ever undergo. In my case, my personal rage proved exceedingly good at motivating me through the hard first few months, and then falling in love with a girl that I wanted to like me helped motivate me even further to change. Eventually when I finally made progress the anger subsided and love for myself grew, helping KEEP me motivated.
My personal rule of thumb has been "the # of years you spent abusing your body is roughly the number of years it's going to take to whip it back into condition". I spent 3 years as a fatty, and it wasn't until about 3 years after first losing the weight that I had built back up to a healthy level where my body no longer remembered what it was like to be sore and achy from inactivity.
Best of luck to all!
Tigerwoods0924
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Are there women/men who wait as long as 6 mos. before sex?
Posted:
11/17/2009 8:26:51 AM
I've only waited that long ONCE, back when I was dating a 24 year-old virgin, and I can assure you that I will never wait that long again (or date virgins for that matter
)
To each their own, but I'm a sexually-liberated and unrepressed individual. I don't believe in religious/moral self-denial (if I don't even resist eating meat on Good Friday, I sure as heck ain't going to deny my libido
), but I also don't believe in boundless indulgence either.
So I'll gladly walk my median path of hedonism and deal with the spiritual consequences later.
Tigerwoods0924
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People over 30 that are not taken - something wrong with them?
Posted:
11/17/2009 8:04:20 AM
Dying alone isn't such a bad thing is it?
I hope not. If so, we're all in trouble. There's no other way to die - even if you kill someone at the same time, chances are you won't go the same route.
WomanInProgress, you nearly made me choke to death with laughter on that one. I think I smell a new bumper sticker / office cubicle banner in the works...
On to the topic at hand, at 30 and the perpetual bachelor in my group of friends, I know that I and I ALONE and my worst enemy when it comes to long term relationships. I could have married a great girl at 25, but I was still playing catch-up to my father & friend's conquest scorecard and felt I hadn't seduced enough ladies yet.
These past 5 years of bachelorhood have been fun and the freedom has kept me in amazing shape, and rather well-off financially (no one to support = more $ for me), but at some moments I do wonder what it would have been like to "cash out while I was ahead" and settle down with that sweet girl.
I'm still not entirely sure I even WANT to be responsible for another person's well-being (hence the undecided on fatherhood), but it seems like a less tawdry prospect as I've gotten a little older. I either will or I won't, depending on the woman (or women) I meet that are interested in me romantically.
In the meantime I plan to continue to enjoy this eligible bachelor phase, because I'm now accessible to the widest range of women I've ever had available: about age 22- 40. Surely even with my retarded decision-making abilities the odds have to be a little more in my favor with such a wide dating pool at hand...
Tigerwoods0924
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Guys, Ready for the Christmas favorites rush?
Posted:
11/17/2009 7:48:45 AM
Nothing new there my friend, I affectionately refer to them as the "Golden Pick-Up Periods":
1) 3-4 Weeks before Valentine's Day (people still hopeful of finding love in time before the Anti-Valentine's Day party invites go out)
2) Valentine's Day itself (who doesn't love a drunken club pick-up on one of the most sentimental nights of the year?
)
3) End of November, a.k.a. the pre-Company X-mas Party Date Scavenger Hunt
4) 2 weeks before New Years - otherwise known as the "Oh my God I need someone to kiss when the ball drops"
5) New Years - champagne + fancy outfits + shattered hopes = desperate monkey lovin'
6) Halloween - My personal favorite as you can find virtually any fetish under the sun on this blessed occasion
7) Summertime - Everyone loves a fling come beach season
I basically use these rare calendar periods to restock my romantic prospects in hopes of finding a special someone, and pretty much chill out on dating hiatus the rest of the time unless I'm invited to a great party.
Tigerwoods0924
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You know you're getting old when ...
Posted:
11/16/2009 10:09:37 AM
I knew I was old when I could remember:
life before Windows (I still use Windows 3.1 keyboard shortcuts)
What the UHF/VHF televesion bands were
Black & White TV
Upgrading to cable for the first time
Green Commodore 64
Using pliers to flip an Apple II floppy disk because the program was "THAT huge"
Calculating everything by hand at that being NORMAL
When solar-powered calculators were the new fad
Tie-dye shirts
The Neon color craze
Teased hair
Bushy bikini zones
Female armpit hair in movies/tv
Text-based video games (e.g. "You walk down a corridor, you see a fork in the road, do you want to go: a) Left? b) Right or c) Backwards?")
Tigerwoods0924
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Can you party hard like a 20yr old when you are over 30?
Posted:
11/16/2009 9:03:19 AM
Well I just hit the 3-0 milestone and am still tearing up the dance floor. Granted I have started to shift venues because I DO feel out of place in the university bars/clubs, that phase is behind me, and though some of those girls are darn pleasing to the eyes, I just don't have much in common with them anymore...
One thing I will say is that I need a nap before heading out, which I can't help but laugh at myself over, but I think this is more of a product of the ingrained 9-5 work/sleep schedule, compared to my random sleep schedule when I was in University and partying it up all the time.
All I know is that I'm far from dead and can still pick up 23 year-olds, so I must not be looking TOO shabby...
Tigerwoods0924
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What are guys thinking?
Posted:
11/16/2009 8:26:09 AM
Ah yes, the infamous Naked Man Maneuver:
This is probably the most ludicrous yet bold move a desperate single man can make. I remember hearing about it on an episode of the sitcom "How I Met Your Mother". The basic premise is that when a guy reaches the end of a date where he is uncertain of his future chances at coitus, he pulls a last ditch Hail Mary type longshot where he undresses himself (or in this case exposes himself) at a distracted moment and waits for the lady to turn around and notice.
At that point only one of two things can happen:
1) She kicks his a$$
2) He gets laid
Some deluded guys think that just because there's only two possible outcomes to this scenario that it translates to a 50/50 shot, but it's more like 1 in a 1000...
Tigerwoods0924
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Dating A Single Child
Posted:
11/16/2009 8:18:27 AM
I prefer to date women that are the only child in their family because I hope that it will make them more amenable to the prospect of only having ONE child, which is about the max I care to raise and financially sponsor in my lifetime.
Heck I even take the Only Child concept one step further and try to find orphans or people whose parent(s) are already deceased - the less parental/in-law hassles I have to deal with, the better, so I can just focus on our happiness without external pressures...
Tigerwoods0924
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Engagement rings for men?
Posted:
11/12/2009 2:10:39 PM
Cute concept, a tad progressive for my tastes, but I could see how it would be a nice gesture of affection. Although it always did kind of strike me as odd that the woman is automatically branded with a clear indicator that she's taken yet the man isn't... Sets off my conspiracy theorist that perhaps men didn't want others looking at THEIR woman, but were free to pretend to still be available...
Tigerwoods0924
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Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
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11/12/2009 11:45:21 AM
Um. Are you aware that Dr. Amen has been made a Fellow of the APA? And that your 'Quackwatch' article was written by one guy? Now, let's see - who's better qualified to assess Dr. Amen's work - the APA or one skeptic?
Here we go again... That one skeptic turned up as a top Google Hit, meaning that his page is visited THAT frequently on that search key (Dr Amen), and even if I hadn't read his article, hearing Dr. Amen talk about a "Brain-Soul connection" would have had me contemplating writing a Quackwatch article of my own.
I personally do not care enough about this ADD issue to read further articles on the subject from work: I browsed Dr. Amen's site briefly, and browsed the Quackwatch site just as briefly, and quoted some stuff from a 2006-2007 article, which obviously from the dates I left INTACT, can be nothing BUT ignorant of any recent developments in the past 2 years (e.g. his APA induction).
I suggest you try a little more critical assessment of your sources, Tiger. A first-year university student would get an F on a paper if he turned in as lousy a 'source' as that to back up his theory.
I'm thrilled that I have a teacher again... Would you also care to take me over your knee and educate me further?
Since I have nothing useful left to contribute to this thread, I will just say that the reason I have such a difficulty believing in ADD is because I grew up in the advanced curriculum classes with a wide range of kids, some of whom never seemed to pay attention and others that were as quirky as they come. However who gets to define what an "acceptable level of attention" is?
I had one buddy that was spaced out in every physics/math class because he was so gifted in those areas that he was already doing relativistic physics when others were still trying to figure out Newton's basic Laws of Motion... Did he have ADD, or was he simply a bright kid too bored to slow down to the common student level?
In my karate classes I see kids running around wild, even in FRONT of their parents. I can't help but suspect that if they had sterner punishment at home they just might discover the inner discipline to keep themselves more in-check. Kids will be kids, but it is up to the parents to mold them and I refuse to believe that our genes have suddenly degenerated nation-wide to the point that no child can be controlled anymore without medication. Call me obstinate if you will...
I myself had a few classes that I just stopped attending because my learning ability was above the norm, so I skipped or napped through class instead and still got my A's. What scares me the most is that were I born into THIS generation of excuses and early diagnoses, I'd run the risk of my perpetually-fearful parents medicating the hell out of me before I'd even fully formed as an individual, and that is a frightening prospect, at least to ME.
Enjoy the thread folks.
Tigerwoods0924
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The Longer it takes To Get Her in Bed..The Lousier the Lover?
Posted:
11/12/2009 11:12:05 AM
I sincerely doubt there's any relation, and I think that one key question needs to be asked before you start to worry if she'll be a lousy lover is:
WHY is she hopping into bed with you NOW? Is she doing it to:
a) Satisfy HER sexual desires? or,
b) Make YOU happy?
If the answer is (a), then you'll likely have a good sexual experience because she is comfortable enough with herself to HAVE passions of her own, and probably has some idea of how to get herself off while you're working her over. She climaxes, you climax, and everyone is happy and likely to be far more amenable to doing it again.
If the answer is b), then you're into problem territory because that means she's thinking less about her own gratification, if at all. She might have sexual issues, repressed tendencies, or might even be completely oblivious to how her body works, and that's going to make YOUR job that much harder if your partner's pleasure is one of your goals (and it SHOULD BE the top goal of any proud sexually active man).
I've dated a couple of girls from column B, and some of them looked at sex like a gift to give her man, and if she happened to enjoy it, well hurray for a happy accident...
Other Column B girls hoped to get off, but never explored themselves and so were unable to really give cues as to what they enjoyed. Sometimes I discovered the formula, other times, not so lucky.
So depending on the woman's attitude towards having sex, I'll have a far better idea whether I have a chance at enjoying it, because if she's a boring or insecure lay I'm just going to tag out mid-way through and not even bother finishing. I've done it before, and hopefully won't have to do it again anytime soon...
P.S.: I've had relationships with girls that slept with me on the 1st date, and others that made me wait months. The speed with which she had sex had little to do with my supreme ability to screw up my relationships...
Tigerwoods0924
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Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted:
11/12/2009 7:27:20 AM
Sorry for the lengthy posts trt-int, like I said,
I have nothing against you personally
or anyone on here really. I posted an excerpt of the article because not everyone is going to follow the web address, sorry to make things so long.
I've been on these forums for 4+ years and have never changed usernames, so it's safe to say I'm no forum troll, ask a few of the long-timers that have been here and they'll vouch for me whether they be friend or debating foe.
As for "taking the opposing view to everything and everything", since the majority of the threads on here begin with a whine or rationalized excuse of some kind before they even begin to ask a question, it's only natural that I'll probably have a differing opinion because I believe we humans have more control over ourselves than the hapless masses would have us believe. Best of luck to you, and to all, POF or otherwise.
Tigerwoods0924
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Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
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11/12/2009 6:20:08 AM
@TigerWoods0924
Sigh. I guess you don't 'believe' in diabetes or cancer, either. Tell ya what. Go look up Dr. Amen's research. People didn't give him credit for a long time but now he's an accepted authority Why? Because he started doing brain scans on normal people and people with conditions and he found that you can see differences in brain function between normal people and people with different mental ailments.
If you go to his site, you'll see how the ADD brain differs from the regular brain. On a brain scan.
There's no 'belief' about it. It's fact.
Thanks for your recommendation, I decided to take your advice and let Google do the walking. Upon doing a search on Dr. Amen, the top hit was his website, and the third hit was a QuackWatch article with an interesting skeptical evaluation of his current "cash grab" practice:
Excerpt from: http://www.quackwatch.org/06ResearchProjects/amen.html
For about four years (2002 to 2006), the The Amen Clinic's home page stated:
Everything starts and ends in your Brain-Soul connection.
How your brain and soul work together determines how happy you feel, how successful you become, and how well you connect with others. The brain-soul connection is vastly more powerful than your conscious will. Will power falters when the physical functioning of the brain and the health of your soul fail to support your desires, as seen by illogical behaviors like overeating, smoking, drug and alcohol abuse, and compulsive spending.
It is the aim of The Amen Clinics to provide instructional programs and materials, evaluations and medical treatment where necessary to help you to understand and direct your mind to enhance your relationships, your work, and your health!
The site currently (2007) states:
SPECT . . . . basically tells us three things: areas of the brain that work well, areas of the brain that work too hard and areas of the brain that do not work hard enough. Once we know how the brain works, the goal of treatment is to balance brain function, such as calm the overactive areas and enhance the underactive ones.
SPECT creates a colored picture representing blood flow or chemical reactions in different areas of the brain. It requires the injection of a radioactive material. Areas of low blood flow show up as apparent “holes” on colored pictures of the brain, giving a moth-eaten appearance. Amen says that when patients improve clinically, the appearance of their follow-up scan typically improves. For example, patients using marijuana had areas of low activity in the temporal lobes compared to patients not using the drug. Dr. Amen says he can literally show his patients “this is what your brain looks like on drugs.” In one case he reported, a patient with attention deficit disorder, obsessive thinking, anger outbursts, and depression had demonstrable defects on the initial scan which were visibly improved after three years of clomipramine therapy. Dr. Amen says that this kind of graphic demonstration can help persuade patients that their problem is physical or physiological and might be helped with medication or other treatments.
The Amen Clinics charge $3,250 for a "comprehensive evaluation,"
which included the patient's history, two SPECT scans (concentration scan and baseline scan), a physician consultation, and a 30-minute treatment follow-up appointment.
Follow-up scans after treatment are $795 each.
Key Questions
The key question in evaluating a diagnostic test is whether or not its findings are useful in determining what treatment the patient should have. SPECT is a research tool useful for exploring how the brain functions, but the findings are nonspecific, and uses related to treatment of emotional or behavioral problems should be considered experimental.
Dr. Amen has vast clinical experience and says he has performed and interpreted more than 35,000 scans. However, I do not believe he has demonstrated that specific scan patterns reliably reflect specific clinical problems and how they should be treated. Even when he is able to show a correlation between a diagnosis and an area of low perfusion (blood flow), he has not shown what this really means and how it could aid clinical treatment.
Is low perfusion an indication of the primary pathology or perhaps just a secondary brain response to the symptoms? His published research comprises “preliminary studies,” and most psychiatrists believe it is premature to use SPECT clinically.
In fact, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has issued two skeptical reports, one pertaining to children and adolescents and the other pertaining to adults.
[...]
There's plenty more to the article, so feel free to read it at your leisure before you go washing his feet like he's Jesus or something.
Lastly I never claimed to be an expert on mental health, and if you read my last post fully you also know that I stated that I have NO education in neuroscience or the particular workings of the human brain. I PERSONALLY do not believe ADD is a severe disorder, that's all I'm saying. No one dies from it, unlike cancer and diabetes which are actually DISEASES. I guess what gets my panties in a bunch is lumping diseases and disorders together, when the two can have quite different effects on longevity and quality of life. Given a choice between cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimers or ADD, I'll take the latter any day of the week - at least I'll still be breathing 20 years down the road with ADD...
Tigerwoods0924
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Why some men never want marry?
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11/11/2009 1:30:19 PM
I know you mentioned that you're done with this thread TuffLuv, but there's hope for women yet. I enjoyed your post of the typical distribution of labour in the household that I thought I'd borrow the template but adjust it with my childhood experience growing up in a Jamaican/Canadian household where my mom did a good 70% of the daily domestic work, but thankfully we kids had chores that chipped in the other 30% of the daily kind of stuff. If my family could be THAT progressive in 1979-1989, surely there's hope for the young families of 2000+:
Dad's day:
Wake up at 8 and eat breakfast wife made. Have fun with kids before heading to work.
9-5 Work.
5:00 Comes home tired and kicks back on the couch because the game is on. Throws his socks next to the couch.
7:00 Joins family for dinner.
7:30 Walks past sink full of dirty dishes and pretends they aren't there.
8:00 Retreats to the man-cave or go out to see his friends because he knows this is usually the time when wife goes looking for him to help out.
10:30 Comes home and gets into bed.
My Dad made his own breakfast Mon-Fri because he got up early (6am latest), and then worked from 7:30am to about 5pm. Then sadly he hit Happy Hour directly afterward and usually didn't join us for dinner past age 7, he just ate the leftovers at the end of the evening.
Mom's day:
Get up at 6 am to wash/dress herself
7 gets breakfast on table and packs lunches for everyone.
Gets kids/husband ready.
She drives kids to school/daycare.
I love my mom dearly, but I'm not going to give her credit for waking up and grooming herself, so scratch line#1. She didn't have to make us breakfast past age 5 when we learned how to operate a toaster safely and pour cereal. She did pack lunches (grade 7+ we bought them), but was smart enough to do that the night using leftovers from dinner to save time. She NEVER dressed my Dad, and we kids also dressed ourselves using the clothes she lovingly laundered & left for us in the Clean Drawer. I was picked up by the schoolbus, until eventually I was old enough to walk/bike there myself by age 7-8.
9 she gets to work. Interrupted 4-5 times to cater to kids who call her (not dad) at work to complain they are sick/got lunchmoney stolen etc.) Manages to still do her job well.
Lunch she runs to drycleaners to drop of hubby's suit.
5 She gets off, picks up stuff from drycleaners.
5:30 Frantically drives to pick kids up from after school program/daycare.
6:00 drives home with kids, starts to cook dinner.
6:30 Dinner ready.
Mom AND Dad were BOTH called whenever an emergency occured, but both worked downtown and couldn't get back to the suburbs unless it was a hospital emergency, so I just had to sit with the school nurse until I was well enough to go home. We kids didn't have cell phones in my day, so there really was no option to call mom outside of the nurse/principal's office.
My Mother NEVER dropped my Dad's clothes off to the dry cleaners during her work day, though she did take our church finest once a month, God bless her. She didn't have to pick the kids up because we had walked home and let ourselves in at 3pm with our key, where we'd wait until one of them got home. She DID cook dinner for the family, though we kids set the table and helped cook where possible (one of our chores).
7:00 Cleans up dinner. Washes dishes.
7:30 Rifles through mail to see what bills are due, takes out family check book and pays them off.
8:00 Drives to grocery store and picks up provisions for the week.
9:00 Gets home, has to unpack groceries and do laundry.
We kids were assigned table clearing and dish washing duty, hence why I'm the adept dish washer I am now; I don't even use the machine in my condo... My mom DID handle the bills, but that's because she was an accountant by trade and it just made sense. Driving to the grocery store was a one-shot weekend activity, and I usually accompanied her, or was assigned standby duty to await her return and carry the groceries from the car and help pack them away in the kitchen. She DID do nearly all of the laundry, until I was about 14 and started doing my own load (my older sister washed her own stuff too). I'll admit though that my Dad never really did a load, so HE certainly reaped a benefit there.
Yes my mother did her Lion's share of the housework, especially from birth through to early childhood (age 6), and we all loved her for it.
In addition she did the gardening, while my Dad and I did the lawn and less-frequent "man chores" like painting, plumbing, paving the driveway, car washing, etc. Also I was assigned to dusting, vaccuuming, sweeping, mopping, mirrors and furniture polishing, so my mom didn't have to do as much as the stereotypical woman.
Still I'm thankful for all the hard work and loving effort she put in over the years.
Sure my Dad probably took it for granted more often than not, but part of that was because he was raised in a traditional Jamaican household where HE was the servant boy for his mom up until adulthood, so I think he subconsciously believed he'd done "his share" in his youth and that it was us kids turn, along with our mom. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's a far cry from some of the horror stories you hear about women bearing it all singlehanded without even the kids helping out...
I just hope that in the past twenty years more families have caught on by now and are sharing the load like they should.
Tigerwoods0924
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Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted:
11/11/2009 12:16:11 PM
So using your logic:
A sociopath who has a defective mind allows themselves to kill.
A depressed person who has lost it all allows themselves to commit suicide.
Bah I'd probably get a positive on the sociopath test too: I have little regard for human life, have killed small animals nonchalantly in youth, and don't have any real sympathy/empathy to speak of; heck I even fantasized and planned the systematic mass murder of my high school body but never got to the weapons acquisition phase (thank God for Canadian gun laws). However I don't go killing people because: a) I know there are consequences I'm unwilling to pay if I'm caught, and b) thankfully my parents have ingrained enough speeches about morality that I understand society does not tolerate such behavior, so I CHOOSE to respect that no matter how much some irksome individuals may tempt me.
As for depression, I first contemplated suicide on my 2nd bedroom window ledge when I was 8 and sad because no kids liked me, and I've lost count the number of times I held a butcher knife's tip to my abdomen and wondered how easy it would be to just fall forward as a teen/young adult. However I CHOOSE to live, even when I used to feel depressed because I continued to HOPE that life would get better, and it did (by age 20).
A cleptomaniac allows themselves to steal.
An agoraphobic allow themselves to fear the outdoors.
A paranoid person allows themselves to think the world is plotting against them
Sometimes these disorders are rooted in some kind of past trauma/experience, and can be alleviated with counselling. I'm no neuroscientist so I don't know if they've mapped a direct physiological cause to these particular disorders or not.
A bi-polar allows themselves to have major mood swings.
An alzheimers sufferer allows themselves to forget things.
A Parkinsons sufferer allows themselves to shake rattle and roll.
The latter two are DEGENERATIVE DISEASES that actually do have TRACEABLE signs of physiological deterioration causing detrimental effects to the brain/body's functioning and even result in DEATH. Don't even DARE to put something as silly as ADD in the same category as Alzheimer's... Talk about your bleeding-heart violinists...
A 50 year old who recognizes symptoms of 40 years of endless ADHD combined with attending 15 schools in 9 years in 4 countries allows himself to lose jobs, relationships, and family.
Have you ever considered the possibility that you're just really fickle/indecisive and lack any clear-cut direction in your life? Heck I have a friend that's bouncing around Asia and Europe for the past 8 years studying abroad from place to place, and she does it because she's just fascinated with change and a little afraid to pick one thing to do with her life, but not once has the words ADD ever crossed her lips...
I'm not trying to rag on you personally -
if you go to a psychiatrist that actually
diagnoses you
with said disorder then I suppose yippee for you - all of your self-diagnoses and rationalizations will have finally been realized. But thus far I haven't heard/read that, sorry if I've missed that particular post in this thread (maybe I should get myself checked out...)
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Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
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Darn quotes messed up upon edit... Check out the post below. I have no hard feelings towards you OP, but I just don't buy into this particular disorder, which I'm of the firm belief can be corrected in more children today if their parents were to return to stricter disciplinary methods than Time-Out/Sitting-in-the-Corner...
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Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
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I personally do not believe in ADD/ADHD and think personal accountability and hard work are all that is necessary to address these modern day "issues" for what they seem to be, which is a lack of focus in my opinion.
I grew up in the early 80's before this PC and Let's Medicate Our Kids nonsense and I can tell you with no doubt that I would have been diagnosed with this ludicrous condition - I skipped/bounced/jumped around constantly and never paid attention in class (part due to hyperactivity, part due to not being stimulated enough, I was always bored at how slow lessons proceeded). One day after my grade 3 parent teacher conference where my Dad (the disciplinarian of our household) heard the bad news one time too many, he whooped my a$$ when I got home with promises of the same each time he ever HEARD of me not paying attention in class.
Problem solved the very next day, as one session of my dad's patented spankings was all I ever needed to stop fooling around. I sat so bolt upright that by the next conference my teacher complained that I stared at her too intensenly and it was creeping her out.
My point is that ADD/ADHD/whatever new crap they come up with is manageable, given the right impetus. Now I'm not saying we spank everyone, that simply worked in MY case at that time because I was little kid. As an adult, I still find my brain wanders if understimulated, but that is because I'm so accustomed to multi-tasking that working on only one front is terribly boring, hence I listen to music while I read/study, or watch tv while doing my homework/office work, etc.
Rather than resorting to mind-altering drugs, which to me seems dangerous of eroding the very nature of my mental existence (who knows what kind of person I'd be once I started taking them, or if I'd even want to go back once "altered"), why not simply apply that hyperactive brain to more challenges to keep it sufficiently occupied?
I've found martial arts exceptionally good at focusing me for extended periods of time; regular gym exercise does too, and even a little booze now and again allows me to "drop down a gear" to more "normal" human speeds of thought/interaction. A quirky/eccentric mind doesn't HAVE to sabotage relationships, it only does if you LET IT.
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A playful groper
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11/10/2009 6:00:07 AM
Unless he's gay, no sane woman allows a guy-pal, however close, to grab her breasts. A playful spank, maybe, but even that's pushing it.
Were I in your place the following would occur:
1) I'd seriously suspect that they have more "history" than they've let on
2) I'd start to doubt that she had ANY respect for me, and question our relationship
3) I would talk to her about it, but only after point #4
4) Square off with him face to face and in no uncertain terms make it clear that I don't appreciate what he's doing, and if I find him doing it again, he and I are going to have a "problem".
I'm not going to stoop to petty things like trying to grope his wife in retaliation; I see no reason to lower myself to HIS level. However I have no qualms "staking my territory" per the old gentleman's fashion - a duel. I'll just have to calm myself enough to keep from pummeling him into the infirmary and keep it at a light a$$-whooping to get my point across...
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Is being nervous on a 1st date really a turn off?
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11/10/2009 5:47:01 AM
I WISH I actually still got nervous on first dates... I've done so many of them that I'm afraid I've become totally indifferent to the experience and partially sleepwalk through it out of reservations that there won't be a second one (statistically-speaking from past experiences with online dating).
At least if I got a little nervous it might be a pleasant indication that I was actually somewhat invested in the outing if I'm that worried about it turning out well...
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Why some men never want marry?
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11/6/2009 12:31:57 PM
Ladies, my hat's off to both of you; you've conducted yourself with class and elegance worthy of the gender labeled as the Fairer Sex. And with that said, I bid you both well and a wonderful weekend!
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Why some men never want marry?
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TuffLuv and GoodeWitch have both struck me as posters that only respond with the same level of aggression they are exposed to, so I am going to try a different approach than some of the guys that have slammed them on this thread - I'm going to attempt to discuss this issue with them respectfully, because their opinion is no less correct than mine, even if we don't agree:
TuffLuv posted:
1.) All these 'reasons' guys are listing on here for why they don't want to get married are BULL CRAP. If they met the love of their life, their dream girl, someone they couldn't live without... they'd get married. Oh yes they would, simply for the fact it would make HER happy and HER happiness is their priority. In fact, marriage would BE their idea...
a) This presumes that all women WANT/NEED to be married, which is false.
b) This also neglects to address the reciprocal sentiment that should be essential to any good relationship - the woman making her man's happiness HER top priority (which may or may not include marriage depending on his beliefs). Two people giving wholly to another is balanced and should come out to a far more positive end than either individual's attempts in isolation. A one-sided devotion is simply a loyal pet.
c) I'll give you this one admission - there is one lady friend of mine whom I'd loved so dearly that I would gladly marry her IF she loved me, but she doesn't. Unless I find someone that evokes as poignant emotions as she did, I see no reason to entertain other girlfriend's desires to get married just because THEY might be ready, so I cut them loose if an impasse occurs and wish them the best. I don't like wasting anyone's time, and I must be doing something right because I've attended several ex's weddings with open arms like one of the family.
2.) Having only one foot in... is the same as having one foot out. You're not in love if you have a 'back door' open for escape.
So what exactly does divorce constitute? Is that not also a "backdoor"? Heck if you're quick enough about it you can even get an annulment...
3.) Sure there are shitty marriages. Doesn't mean every marriage is shitty. Just because you got into a lemon once upon a time doesn't mean every car is not quality.
Sure there are good marriages, but I can guarantee you that if you invested in a lemon once or one of your close friends did, you're going to scrutinize the heck out of that next car purchase before making up your mind...
4.) If you stick around a guy who says 'he doesn't believe in marriage' you are only keeping away from guys who do... when he says something like that... just add the words "to you." Because that is what he really means. And you deserve better than that.
Running from a guy that doesn't believe in marriage is excellent advice PROVIDED marriage is what the woman wants. Your statement is dangerously-close to presuming a gender bias that ALL women WANT to be married.
5.) You won't change their mind. Drop them like a bad habit. They do not love you if they are making you unhappy! Its so simple. Yet so many women don't do it. Bad guys are spoiled by women who put up with shit that only fuels their low self esteem. You deserve better.
I agree with not being able to change someone else, and at that point walking away is the sane thing to do. However if anyone thinks "they do not love you if they are making you unhappy" is an absolute universal principle, then they're going to have problems in future relationships / child-rearing because there are always going to be some hard times where can't always do what the other person WANTS. Sometimes you have to do what YOU want, or what you BELIEVE is in your or the couple/family's best interest. Sometimes this means being the Bad Guy/Girl in the short term to be the Great Guy/Girl in the LONG TERM. I didn't always like my parents for disciplining me, but if I argued that they'd never make me unhappy if they loved me, I'd be sorely mistaken.
7.) No matter how traumatic a divorce was that he was exposed to in some way... if he loved you truly, he would be so over it. When he says something like that to you... he has weighed the pros and cons... and you are in the con pile and his freedom/money/independence/status are more worthwhile than you being his wife. You deserve better.
Example: I love karate, and at one point in a past tournament I was trip-flipped and crashed down hard on the lower part of my spine. Luckily no serious long-term harm was done, but say it had and I was partially-crippled for years before making a full recovery. Then one day, I decided to get back into the ring again. Would it not be sane to be filled with trepidation given what happened before? Sure it's a new fight that could turn out entirely different, and my BODY may have recovered, but the painful memory of that injured time would give even the stoutest of warriors pause to wonder if they're truly ready to risk themselves to that extent again. That is not selfishness, that is human nature - learning from past mistakes. At the end of the day we would all hope that the we can cross that bridge to be reborn anew, but some people are going to waver and find themselves unable to take another step.
8.) Why even have the label of boyfriend/girlfriend? Why live together? Why should he remember your birthday? Why should he call you when he says he will? Why... why... why.. why... See, this never ends. ALL OF IT is just signs he is not as into you as you are into him. There is no equality there... these guys on this forum just want the 'upper hand' but a healthy loving relationship ... IS NOT A BATTLE!
A healthy loving relationship isn't a battle, you are very correct, it is a PARTNERSHIP. However some partnerships can thrive on just an honour-bound handshake / verbal contract, while others need more stringent legal bindings in order to survive comfortably (and let's face it, marriage is a tool to create peace of mind and alleviate worries of abandonment). Neither category is less valid than the other, and it is up to the couple to decide what's best for them. A failed relationship that didn't produce a marriage is no less worthy than one that managed to make it, or one that resulted in divorce. In all cases people loved each other, only the duration of the mutual effort differs across the parties.
I hope at the end of the day that EVERYONE in this world is one day fortunate enough to find what they need, and even a little of what they want...
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caught my fiance having cyber sex and text sex with other women
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11/6/2009 10:41:59 AM
Sigh, here we go again... I refuted a previous poster that was trying to make it sound like porn suddenly sprung up this past century. The simple point I am trying to make is that "taboo" forms of erotica have existed for a lot longer than that. Human expression goes hand in hand with testing the limits of said freedoms of expression, and porn is just one of many things that usually skirts and perpetually stretches that line (politically-incorrect stand-up comedy would be another example).
tiger,
i didn't realize that cave drawings were mass produced and available to every teenager.
A teenage boy is going to be aroused by linoleum - it's THAT easy. Though I got my hands on girlie mags as early as 6 years old, even at times when I had to ditch them for fear of discovery I ogled the lingerie section of the local retailer's catalogues (oh Sears, so many naughty times...
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so go ahead and promote the virtues of porn.......
I DIDN'T promote the "virtues of porn" -
if you'd bothered to read my post you'd have seen that I condemned the husband for engaging in cyber/text sex
(after ridiculing how lame it is), and I even recommended she dump his sorry a$$. I didn't even cast any blame on her for "not satisfying HIS needs" as some other posters attempted to do...
prior to the invention of the printing press and video, owning pornographic literature was rare.
And you were around during the 16th through 19th centuries to confirm this? My you ARE incredibly well-preserved. Hell prior to the invention of the printing press, the common populace owning ANY literature was rare, since things were hand-scribed and thus far more costly, such that only the privileged could afford them, and we certainly all know that the privileged NEVER succumb to vices...
Also let's not confuse "erotica" as strictly meaning crude explicit sexual description. Authors of the past had a far more subtle command of the English language, and had to resort to innuendo and metaphor, like "and as he nestled betwixt the ivory shores and probed his way through the velvety moss in search of the cavernous pleasures that lie beneath" etc. Could be describing a mining expedition, or could be describing going down on his woman, that's up to the reader's imagination to lead them.
internet porn is all new to the human experience and personally i don't think its a good idea.
The statement you make here is valid and so is the opinion that followed it, that I have no objection against, even if I don't share the opinion part. I'm not even going to get started on the parent's responsibility part to lock down browser programs to Safe Search Mode...
once it becomes acceptable to a man or a woman to objectify the opposite sex in a sexual fashion, the deviance expands and will usually be a problem in that individuals relationships.
I know plenty of people that have never partaken of erotic depravity and STILL find plenty of ways to F&^#K up their relationships. If "deviance" IS such a prevalent cause of relationship failures then there are a lot of people that need to come out of the closet right now.
As for objectifying the opposite sex, take it from a man that has spent 24 out of his 30 years exposed to virtually every form of sexual "deviance" out there in the current media - you either have the type of personality that objectifies/uses people, or you don't. Porn doesn't have anything to do with it, though it may desensitize you to the other innumerable redeeming qualities of the opposite sex if you're lacking enough brain cells.
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People won't share or exchange pictures
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11/5/2009 12:59:49 PM
Yeah I don't have patience to chat to faceless strangers, my time is precious to me, and as deplorably shallow as this is about to sound - I don't have free dating time to waste on unattractive people.
I don't even really have any close friends that I consider physically unattractive, so why would I waste my time on strangers that are potentially even less appealing?
I've seen some profiles claiming that they hide their photos because "they don't want to be harassed solely for their looks/body", to which I retort - "Darlin', if you're THAT good-looking what the heck are you even doing on POF".
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from one dater to another: 'show me your drivers license, please'
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11/5/2009 12:53:26 PM
From the title of the thread I thought it was going to be about dating jailbait, but moving right along...
If a date asked me to see my driver's license my response would depend on whether I found her physically attractive or not. Since my preferences tend to be for slender and petite women, if she fit the bill I wouldn't really care since she wouldn't really pose much of a physical threat to me unless she's exceptionally well-trained, at which point a fight to the death could be fun (and hot!)
But in all seriousness, I can't see myself proceeding with the date because that kind of paranoid attitude means our personalities aren't going to jive - I'm too laid back to jump through those kind of hoops.
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caught my fiance having cyber sex and text sex with other women
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11/5/2009 11:09:40 AM
porn and cyber sex are both a relatively new phenomenon if you look at the grand scale of human sexuality. are they healthy? do they support relationships and the emotional well being of a family? or have they managed to contribute to the increased divorce rates?
Uhh cyber sex may be the new kid on the block, but pornography has undergone transformation after transformation for centuries.
From the time we could make artistic images, there have been nude ones to varying degrees of lewdness that society would tolerate (and underground ones that it wouldn't), and I can guarantee you during each period in history, there was some dude that took that video/magazine/B&W photo/tapestry/papyrus/cave drawing to the bathroom and whacked off to it...
Then let's not forget erotic literature, where there are such vividly-described carnal scenes that any reader with a decent imagination and a set of blue balls can get aroused to and decide to masturbate to if so inclined.
Pornography didn't appear out of the blue once the printing press was created, it just became easier to distribute.
I consider them harmless methods of personal sexual exploration/gratification compared to the alternative - cheating with a live woman. Human history and sexuality has had more than its fair share of THAT, such as the cliche mistress, servant girl, tavern wench, woman of ill-repute, prostitutes, etc.
One possible reason cyber-cheating may seem so disturbing to some people is that technology has become such a rampant part of our lives, such that the content and intensity of some electronic communications are nearly on par with direct human interactions. Therefore even though they aren't touching the person, they are sharing intimate aspects of themselves with a third party outside of their relationship... And that I CAN understand as a valid concern...
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what do men consider overweight?
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11/5/2009 9:28:02 AM
I've never cared about weight (I can lift most women), what I care about is PROPORTION.
Women have curves and are designed to possess a higher body fat percentage than men, no sane person is debating that...
However there ARE limits.
- No one needs to have washboard abs, but that doesn't mean you automatically have a gut.
- You don't have to have a butt carved out of stone, but that doesn't mean it should feel like a Hefty Bag full of Jell-O.
- You can't control the width of your hip & pelvic bones, but you can darn well control how much additional padding is on top of them.
- Contrary to popular belief, friction burns through your pants from your thighs rubbing together is NOT normal.
- Excessive tricep flab: thumbs down. No one wants to date a lady with "Grandma arms".
- Cankles: out, unless your preferences are like Bill Clinton's.
These are just some examples of being "out of proportion" according to MY personal definition. We all have to work with what we're given, but may I re-emphasize the fact that we can WORK ON IT. A person with the hefty gene may never be a stick figure, but that doesn't mean they still shouldn't try to exercise hard and maintain or trim down as far as their body/health allows. If you give it your best and become your best (physically), you've won already, even if no one else takes notice.
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Why some men never want marry?
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11/5/2009 6:31:05 AM
Just a quick add-in on the topic of married men supposedly living longer:
I don't think it has anything to do with an immediate physical benefit just from being a couple (e.g. "Oh my God I'm so happily married, my arteries have magically unclogged themselves with joy!"), I think it has far more to do with the subconscious switch to a more sedentary and cautious mode of living.
It's like a single guy at the wheel of a car - most of us speed to some extent, but suddenly once we have a baby in the vehicle, or an elderly parent, or our pregnant spouse, we suddenly slam on the brakes and are the annoying jacka$$ doing 35 in a 50 zone when evryone else is going 60+
This voluntary "slowing down" probably does far more to safeguard our lives than were we still single and left to our own "reckless" devices... As a single bachelor, I take part in all kinds of extreme sports, and my friends tend to do the same. But as I've watched some of them settle down, most have become unwilling to take such risks because they now have people depending on them and worrying about them. So instead of going on crazy offroad bike trips or skydiving they're suddenly sitting home on a Saturday afternoon playing in the garden trying to get tomatoes to flourish...
At THAT pace of life, I'd probably live longer too, but wouldn't be having nearly as much fun as I am with my current hobbies... Life's that much harder to sprint through when you're tethered to a ball & chain.
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caught my fiance having cyber sex and text sex with other women
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11/5/2009 6:05:18 AM
TEXT MESSAGE SEX?!
Wow... I AM getting old, this is a new form of depravity, even for me...
And to think I used to be content laughing at guys that use cheesy 1-900 numbers and the like, when there's a whole new sect of even sadder losers that get their rocks off 140 thumb-typed characters at a time...
P.S.: Dump his sorry ass, this is beyond pathetic.
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Why some men never want marry?
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I've got to say that I've enjoyed JCBoston69's post the most:
[...]As a man gets older, he sees marriage for what it is: a business contract. It doesn't increase love (that should already be there 100%). It does not increase the likelihood of staying together (nor does having children). Heck, it doesn't even give tax advantages anymore. It's also primarily run by the state, which has no business whatsoever in marriage.
There's no clear-cut reason to do it anymore, as our traditional moral code is all but non-existent nowadays. The only arguments I could imagine now is that it's just a codification of love. [...]
Even though I haven't been married like you have twice already my friend, you've summed up most of the views I've had towards marriage quite nicely. I'm not against the concept, and I wish those that partake of it all the best, but I've just never quite thought it's a necessary option for me personally.
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Why some men never want marry?
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The fact that divorce exists and is readily available detracts from any "power of commitment" marriage is supposed to represent/uphold. I'd respect marriage more if you didn't have the option to divorce. Then it truly would be the Be All and End All contract in my opinion; but the fact that I see Post-It notes stuck to every street pole / bus shed advertising "Quickie Divorce! Just $100-300!" doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence in the institution...
As for the posters that went on about "don't live with a guy until there's a ring on your finger", I have a married buddy that cohabitates with his wife and is NEVER home, not because his job requires travel, simply because he does not WANT to be there. He hangs out each night with his buddies, goes out clubbing, random boys road trips to party it up with ladies, and yet his wife still sits at home and waits for him. Sure she argues with him now and again, but this has gone on for YEARS and she's still waiting it out... Some people just like punishment, married or otherwise.
So there's a case for you where the ring hasn't done squat to protect the woman from heartache thus far, and since most of his dealings are cash-based, it's not like he can exactly be taken to the cleaners either even if she does get fed up enough to leave.
P.S.: ColonelIngus, thanks for digging out the survey details. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, just noting that surveys have to be taken with a grain of salt and this one seems to only have used 364-445 single/divorced men to spin projections about millions of single men nation-wide. Best wishes to you my man, no harm intended.
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Why some men never want marry?
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Ah yes, statistics... Here we go:
Fully 22% of American bachelors aged 25–34 have resolved never to marry. 53% more say they are not interested in marrying any time soon. That's 75% all told who are not all that keen on marriage.
As someone that has taken courses in social psychology, surveying methods, and statistics, these figures are meaningless without describing the sample population that generated the figures. Were they single at the time of the survey, in a good relationship, a bad relationship, etc.?
When one isn't in a "happy" mindset, pessimism is likely to taint the survey results. If someone asked me during the times I'm single what I thought of the opposite sex, my view would be significantly more dim than when I'm getting laid regularly or even God forbid, emotionally fulfilled by a great lady.
That is the first problem with social studies, the mindset of the peeople being studied must be factored into the data or its all bunk...
So your study quote could just as easily be stating that 75% of recently single men are completely dissilusioned while 25% remain hopeful despite past disappointment. This would only speak of a certain sect of men, not ALL men, and that's not even taking into account survey size, regional and/or representative participation from ALL States, rural vs urban values, etc.
Why do you think women consistantly report a massive man "shortage", even as single men outnumber single women by a large margin (at least 20%)?
Perhaps there is a "man shortage" simply because modern day men have far more risk than reward as far as marriage is concerned. So long as women stereotypically dominate lower earning professions and the laws favor the "breadwinner" to support the lower earner with things like alimony, there is virtually no benefit to a the higher wage earner (stereotypically the male) to accept such a ludicrous proposition.
For the lower-wage earner, it's the deal of a lifetime - hitching yourself to a better wagon than your own. For the higher-wage earner, it's willingly accepting additional responsibility/burden, i.e. being tethered to a slower-moving vehicle and acquiring excess baggage. Worse yet, even if the wagons then choose to go separate ways, you're still saddled with toting part of their load long after you've parted ways.
If someone walked up to ME and offered me that "deal of a lifetime", I'd choke myself to death laughing in their face, and I'm actually still OPEN to the possibility of marriage, but it will be on equal footing if I have anything to say about it.
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Why do some men never want to marry?
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11/4/2009 7:07:11 AM
Well in my case it's not a matter of never wanting to be married, it's a case of my mind being far too active for my own good and hence being incapable of blindly accepting someone just because I'm fond of them. Short of ingesting massive amounts of alcohol on a perpetual basis, I am otherwise unable to quiet down my calculating nature which is always assessing, reprioritizing and evaluating things around me, and sadly this includes the women I date.
If I'm ever to undertake the large commitment known as marriage, it will only be if I encounter a woman that I love romantically, lust for physically, agree with philisophically and merge well with financially. That's a tall order; one which some would say is near-impossible to find, and therein lies the rub.
I have loved women that I have had the mental fortitude to walk away from simply because they weren't logical fits to my ideals/lifestyle. Why would I walk away from someone I love? Because love by itself is not enough to make a relationship last, they require constant effort and I know myself well enough to know that I'm only willing to work towards something I believe will eventually stabilize to a positive result at some point. If I become even slightly cerebrally aware of an irreconcilable "deal-breaker", then the deluge of What-If scenarios and negative statistical projections begin and it's only a matter of time before I mathematically/logically prove myself out of love.
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Does reading the forums make you more or less cynical about dating?
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11/4/2009 6:48:11 AM
Reading the forums these past four years has done the following for me:
1) It's made me infinitely more appreciative of my formal education, especially each time I encounter some of the more egregious mutilations of the English language...
2) I've come to realize that there are indeed as diverse a range of opinions/beliefs as there are people, and while all should be handled delicately with respect, people are less likely to do so with views that are in drastic opposition to their own...
3) It has reaffirmed my cautions about sensitive issues like unexpected pregnancy, divorce settlements, and just male-female interaction in general. Note though that it hasn't sparked any apprehensions that weren't already there, I've simply been given a wider sample size from which to draw empirical observations.
4) Lastly I've come to the conclusion that humanity is quite decisively doomed to die under the colossal weight of its own sheer ignorance...
But at least these forums prove entertaining as I sit back and watch society crumble one atrophied brain cell at a time...
Tigerwoods0924
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How do you trust anyone on dating sites?
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11/4/2009 6:35:58 AM
This is a ridiculous question because quite simply, you can't trust anyone you meet, REGARDLESS of the medium. Why dating sites suddenly get the North American Sheep Vote of the Week for "most dangerous social interaction" is beyond me...
What I say next, I say as both a logical man born bereft of empathy and a militaristic martial artist in my spare time - the common Western citizenry is comprised of trusting, lazy, and defenseless victims of their own creation. If we were suddenly to reduced to martial law and forced to defend ourselves against rioting anarchists barehanded or with rudimentary weapons half of you would be dead by nightfall for lack of knowing how to defend yourselves, or worse yet, allowing your bodies to atrophy to such an extent that you are INCAPABLE of defending yourselves short of firearms / third-party intervention.
I'm not saying this to spread paranoia or fear, but I could physically assault most of the people in my office with little personal risk if I was so inclined, and most of them wouldn't be able to stop me due to the sheer gap in physical ability alone.
We as a society take our safety for granted - all online dating did was allow a greater range of people to contact one another. It's no more dangerous than meeting a random stranger in the street and asking them out, or even being set up by a friend that knows a "good guy/girl". They only know so much about the person, and even if that individual never given said friend pause for concern, it doesn't mean they couldn't snap / slit YOUR throat at the drop of the hat or abuse you just because they're So-and-So's drinking/college buddy.
Eternal vigilence is the only true means of self-preservation. Trust is a luxury to be meted out carefully after much deliberation. However without some measure of trust, we are each doomed to be islands unto ourselves.
Tigerwoods0924
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Profile review please?
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11/3/2009 10:38:14 AM
Seems like a fine enough profile to me now that you've removed the mailing age restriction, though you've still left in the redundant sentence mentioning you've never been married and don't have kids. Instead of having a sentence on what you DON'T have, perhaps you should flesh out another sentence on what you're willing to build, e.g. are you hoping to marry one day if you find the right person, have a child, etc.
You're 5'10" so you're just tall enough to pass the criteria of any woman 5'8" or below, which includes most North American ladies, though Amazons are definitely off-limits due to the usual high-heel issue.
You seem like a decent-looking cat for 41, with a diverse range of interests so good luck and keep on swining. I've been on & off here for 4+ years and have had only 2 relationships from this site, and a dozen dates or so... It's just THAT hard to get your voice heard and capture people's attention.
Tigerwoods0924
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Robot lovers - yes or no?
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10/29/2009 7:12:05 AM
Ah another Robot thread... Always a fun topic.
One way or another, the technology is going to get there, and when that time comes, each individual will have a choice to make. It will become a lifestyle choice like any other, as there are as many vices and methods of escapism as there are people. My policy is - so long as they're not hurting anyone else, who cares?
Personally I wish we could scientifically prove/disprove the existence of the soul, and if it does exist, at which point in the human life cycle it is "conceived", so that we can finally settle the ethical issue on cloning, as I'd much prefer to grow my own "fantasy female companion" Brave New World - style and have done with it, but only if we can settle the defining lines around the issues of sentience, spirituality and slavery.
Then the clones could be attributed "pet status" so long as it could be proved that there was clearly significant deviation from "normal humans" and the morality issue would be the same as any other pet owner - you would be responsible for the care of your pet, and liable for any abuse/neglect on your part or damage it causes. Aside from that, what you did with it was up to you.
Personally-speaking though, I think mankind has a long way to go learning to discipline and master OURSELVES before we're ready to be given dominion over ANYTHING.
Tigerwoods0924
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When You Aren't Attracted to Someone Who Seems Perfect For You
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10/29/2009 6:57:03 AM
LadyLinda posted:
I can totally relate. I ended up married to someone whom I was not physically attracted to thinking that with more time it would happen ( because he was perfect on paper) For the 14 years we were married , it never changed.
At this point, the physical desire has to be there from the beginning.
I have no intention of picking on you specifically Linda, but those kind of statements give me shivers down my spine as far as women are concerned, e.g. marrying a man that seems "good enough" even if you were never really into him in the first place (
Note:
the previous and all further uses of the word "you" refer to women in general, not the specific poster LadyLinda, whom I have no grudge against).
I feel sorry for dudes that blindly-walk into this situation, as had you told him you never found him attractive I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have asked you to marry him, let alone invest years of his life unless he had self-esteem / dependency issues...
You don't "end up" married to someone you have no physical attraction to - you CHOSE to marry them despite your lack of attraction, and while some online folk may praise that as "looking past the physical", I condemn it as "self-absorbed arrogance". I say arrogance, for assuming that you needed to coddle them and pretend to be attracted to them to "spare their feelings", when somewhere in part you were probably just too scared to let them go and perhaps be happy elsewhere. It's like a kid hoarding a toy they don't really want just because they don't want the other kids in the playground to have a crack at it.
This whole thread just makes me sad in general...
Tigerwoods0924
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is it weird to ask someone to meet up after a couple of emails?
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10/29/2009 6:39:16 AM
No it's not weird to ask someone to meet after a couple of emails. Heck I'm willing to meet people after the first if there's mutual interest.
I dislike extensive online chatting because of three main things:
1) You don't have the person's full attention
2) You still haven't verified if they're actually attractive
3) You won't have much to talk about if you burn up all of your normal conversation starters via e-mails/IMs, unless you both have crappy memories and it all sounds new the second time around
Long-term e-mailing may SEEM like you "know" the person, but there's no substitute for real-time face-to-face interaction, and until you experience that, all you have is a pen-pal.
Tigerwoods0924
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when did coffee become a first date?
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10/26/2009 10:47:56 AM
If a long stroll along a boardwalk can be considered a first date, I don't see why a coffee date doesn't count, especially if it goes well and you two wind up being kicked out for loitering!
I've had coffee dates that lasted for HOURS. If the company's good and the conversation's going well, we could be gutting fish for all I care, it still counts as a date if I'm a man, she's a woman, and we're meeting with potential romantic intentions on the table.
Tigerwoods0924
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No orgasm: dealbreaker?
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10/26/2009 10:28:27 AM
Ah yes, pre-orgasmic women. I've done battle with these types before, and it's usually a frustrating battle indeed.
As a man, I consider it about 80% my responsibility to get my female partner to orgasm because I'm the one with the physique and anatomy to do the bulk of the thrusting, lifting, positioning, etc. Also my staying power is paramount to the success of the experience. In short, most of the mechanics that sex entails are dependent on my athletic ability, and if I can't keep up to the task, she's screwed (but not in the good way
)
However all that effort will go for naught if the woman can't do her 20%, which is relaxing herself enough to enjoy the ride.
In this sense, women that can't achieve orgasm bear a striking similarity to men with erectile dysfunction - occasionally the problem is legitimately physical, but most of the time their own mental issues are creating a block and taking them out of the game. Don't get me wrong, some partners just suck, and if your guy can only last 30 seconds, nobody can fault you. But with proper stimulation, I've found most women aged 25-40 only need 10-30 minutes of arousing activity to orgasm,
if it's done the way they like
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1) I've dated girls with such repressive upbringings that they cannot even whisper about sex without feeling guilty/dirty (thanks Pops for protecting your little princess right into the nunnery/psych ward).
2) I've had relationships with some women that had so many body image issues that they considered themselves hideous in the nude and couldn't possibly enjoy themselves unless every light source was snuffed out and they had a glass of wine in them...
3) Then I've had other girls that were so unsure of whether or not they'd had an orgasm in their past relationships that they're too tense to allow themselves to have one now because they think there's something wrong with them (when in fact they might have simply had a lazy/inexperienced lover). Some lucky ones do but it takes them an hour and a complex series of hand signals to get there.
So as a man, whenever I do have the misfortune to encounter one of these "challenging" ladies, I don't rush sex in the relationship. In fact it's the LAST thing I want to force them into until I've had time to strip away some of their insecurities/inhibitions with a combination of compassion, trust, full body massage, an elephant-sized dose of foreplay, and THEN maybe sex if all has gone well and she's in a relaxed enough mood.
If she
STILL
can't get there after all that, I wash my hands of it, and try to meet someone new because I've met proactive ladies out there than can orgasm at the drop of a hat to the point that they're rushing ME to finish because they've had their fill and can't take any more.
Tigerwoods0924
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Decent guys: are they all either taken or gay?
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10/23/2009 9:22:02 AM
They're not all taken or gay, but sometimes women, just like men, SUCK at picking what's actually suitable for them. It's a human failing that applies to BOTH genders.
For instance, given the choice between two prospective women, I've always seemed to go for the "wrong" one, e.g. the one that sparked my interest immediately over the one that was just pleasant. Usually the quicker fix turned out to be the wrong call IN MY CASE, and by the time I realized it, old simple substance girl was no longer interested/available... What can I say? I'm occasionally retarded...
In the case of women dating ME, I get very frustrated at times with these online first dates that seem to go well, but then I get a message 48 hours laters about how they didn't seem to feel a "spark". Case in point, my last online date was a few weeks ago with a delightful professional lady one year my senior. We chatted for a week online via e-mails, swapped numbers and had a few quick phone convos trying to set up a date, and finally managed to haggle out a Sunday lunch date before she had to go in to work.
The first meet/date went swimmingly: good food, punctual arrival by both parties, I held the doors as usual, we had fun conversation swapping past history and silly stories, we laughed and even lost track of time. At this point I figure things are going ok. Then we reach that lull where you're wondering if they're going to stay for dessert or wrap it up, and SHE suggests we grab some dessert and coffee so we can keep talking. I'm ecstatic at this point. Finally we wrap it up, I manage to sneak the bill my way, she even lets me walk her to work, and when I lean in to kiss her on the cheek she dodges a little but hugs me warmly in return. I wait until she crosses the street into her building, and wave goodbye as we agree to hang again sometime.
I follow up with a one-line e-mail thanking her for a pleasant outing later that day, and 48 hours later I get a reply about "thanks but sorry, there's no spark".
How much more "spark" could I have generated as a gentleman, short of kicking over the buffet table and trying to make her "my woman" right then and there?!
It was a SUNDAY LUNCH DATE. Not exactly the most conducive set-up to a passionate session, especially when she has to go into the office right after the meal.
I just don't get how men that act accordingly and abide by the so-called rules of conduct most ladies expect can win this game if we're supposed to be respectful and yet somehow evoke deep-seated lust.
Seems like hitting a dartboard bullesye blindfolded & drunk would be an easier exercise if you ask me...
Tigerwoods0924
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FWB: Mans view vs. a Womans
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10/13/2009 8:36:15 AM
This topic always makes for an interesting and potentially-heated debate, however I'm inclined to simply agree with the previous two posters that have aptly stated that you cannot generalize the genders and assume the same premise will work for for all parties...
However what concerns me more about your initial post is your statement:
[...]I want to write a book and for now this and another blog and face book are my playgrounds.[...]
Preceded by statements like this:
[...]Men I affirm are wired, in deep DNA roots that go all the way back to monkey shit that makes them want to wander[...]
That's the most "creative" word-smithing I've seen in a while, and I think your future literature mentors/teachers are going to earn their modest wages...
I'm not trying to insult you; you've simply paraphrased a series of informal exchanges you had with a POF buddy, but if you're seriously contemplating becoming an author, Facebook-style blogging is hardly conducive to proper English writing skills.
Best of luck in your future endeavours and thanks for reviving a lively discussion topic!
Tigerwoods0924
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She is barely legal, He is 48
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10/1/2009 11:49:45 AM
Whenever I see a barely legal to middle-age pairing I assume it was initiated on purely physical attraction. Let's face it, with youth comes certain physical benefits and with the declining support for our founding puritan principles, young people are strutting around looking way better and more provocative than the old folks ever did at that age. Even the generation just after me makes my eyes bug out with what their parents let them get away with these days.
1) If we're going to talk the cliche Dirty Old Man, Barely Legal Sexpot scenario:
A naughty cheerleader was the original Viagra, and some men don't like how the blue pill buggers with their heart...
2) If we're talking the recenlty-coined Cougar (former Mrs Robinson) and the young stud:
A well-trained Cabana-boy is less expensive to keep long term than replacement batteries.
Either way, what these older folk choose to do is no business of mine, nor is it any skin off my back since I'm too old to seriously date teeny-boppers anyway.
I've had a couple of youngin's succumb to crushes on me in the past, but I just can't stand to hear them blather on about Facebook drama and Reality TV, and I'm just not a big enough bastar*d to tune them out and use them sexually.
So I just back away, and encourage them to find boys their own age, however stupid most may currently be. Still, there are days where I wonder why I deprive my loins to no apparent reward to pursue women my own age that ignore me...
Tigerwoods0924
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The 'I LOVE YOU' Bomb...
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10/1/2009 11:01:18 AM
Well in my past relationship I dropped the L-bomb after 4 great months together, and was met with stunned silence followed by no response whatsoever. It hurt, but I was only about 75% confident in the reply I wanted, and clearly I was overestimating my odds at that...
But I let her know right away that I said it because
I wanted to say how I felt
. I've led a lifetime of avoiding my feelings and keeping them to myself, watching some women very dear to me flitter on by because I never mustered the balls to let them know I cared for them... I'm done regretting inaction and my solution to that was to fess up the next time I found love blossoming in my heart, so that's what I did.
I don't regret doing it, and I'm satisfied with how I handled it because I didn't pressure her for an answer. I even thanked her for being honest enough not to answer at all rather than lie to me to spare my feelings.
I hung in there for another 6 weeks, but some issues cropped up thereafter, and I was probably just a little too dejected to give it my all when it didn't look like she was getting any closer to loving me back. So we set each other free in the hopes that we could both find someone that can return the level of affection we each desire...
Tigerwoods0924
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Why are women attracted to musicians?
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9/23/2009 2:07:43 PM
Women are attracted to men that exhibit PASSION about some aspect of their lives, and musicians do just that. It takes a lot to just put yourself out there in front of a crowd of people and give it your all. Same thing goes for people in the performing arts in general.
Sure some women just love the potential fame/prestige that comes along with it if you hit it big, but that explanation falls flat on the dudes just jamming in a dive bar that STILL get the groupies at the end of the night.
Men with passion leads to the hope that they'll be just as passionate about their woman as well. Can't blame women for hoping; if you ask me, it sounds like a logical assumption.
Tigerwoods0924
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Dancing With Another Man Besides Your Boyfriend/Spouse
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9/22/2009 5:27:35 AM
There are levels of dancing that are appropriate, and others that are not. I personally LOVE to dance, and hence my female friends take me out dancing all the time. We just kick loose and get silly.
Most of the time it's just solo freestyle in a crowd, but if a latin song comes on we salsa/merengue (at least I try to
), and if a reggae classic comes on you can bet I'm gyrating away to Bob, Buju or Shaggy. However my right hand never leaves the small of her back, and my left hand is usually up in the air waving about joyfully.
Since my hands don't roam, I have no qualms dancing this way in front of a spouse, provided she's the one that declined my offer to dance in the first place (naturally I'd rather be dancing with her since I CAN touch her a little more...
)
Similarly, I have no qualms against my spouse dancing with someone else in a similar fashion. However if she winds up with her legs wrapped around his torso and bucking backwards like a wailing cowgirl and shaking her boobs in his face, we're going to have "issues".
Tigerwoods0924
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Girlfriend going on holiday with her male friend.
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9/21/2009 1:32:29 PM
If the male friend is so "close to her" that she's willing to accept gifts and go on vacation with him, then presumably I've met him at several social occasions before this trip. If he and I are never in the same room or spoken about in the same sentence, there's a problem.
If I've met him, hung out with him, TALKED to him, and genuinely believe his interest is platonic, then I give them my blessing, as hotels do often offer suites with two beds even when "couples" are renting them. If they're sharing the same bed, deal's off. I don't give a crap: no man lies directly with my woman through the night except for ME, unless it's her dad or baby brother/nephew.
Of course all of this shouldn't be a worry if the woman actually respected me in the first place, because then she would have at least talked to me about the potential trip before accepting it.
I'm not saying she has to ask for my approval, I don't own her, but basic respect must be paid
, or I'm calling up one of my female friends while she's absent to fill the void and see how she likes the shoe on the other foot.
Tigerwoods0924
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Is it possible to be romantic without opening one's wallet?
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9/15/2009 9:11:32 AM
Depends on who you ask, but in my last decade's dating experience:
(1) While courting a lady, romantic gestures that don't cost anything seldom work in your favor. The female forum posting trend seems to indicate that a lot of women believe some level of financial expedniture is required on the man's part to demonstrate his "true interest" in her, no matter HOW innovative the free idea might be.
(2) When in a relationship, romantic gestures that don't cost anything are slightly-better received than in initial courtship, as no reasonable person expects grandiose gestures every time they meet... However things still need to be topped up with the occasional obvious expenditure to let her know "you're still invested" in the relationship...
By the time you're married, your money is hers anyway and she's going to spend it however she darn well pleases, so you no longer need to worry.
Of course little day to day romantic gestures can still go a long way to keeping you married and sexually active.
Please note that the previous rant does not speak for ALL women, I've met a few gems that actually seemed to be genuinely happy with the simple life... But sadly they have been few and far between in my dating scorecard...
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