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 Author Thread: I hate him...and he was perfect
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
I hate him...and he was perfect
Posted: 9/30/2007 12:01:50 PM


Nope... no signs at all... he had an appartment all to himself.. none of his friend's or what family i mett said anything about him having a wife or two kids... I'm not that naive... and my judgement is fine...... i didn't have a reason not to trust him.

As of doing it all over again... i'v learned not to date guys over 27-30...


In defense of us 27 and older crowd, Ive never been married and have no kids, so we are out there. ;)
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 81 (view)
 
unnoticed flirting signs by women
Posted: 9/30/2007 11:49:49 AM


Okay.... for the second time today.....I am going to post this again. There are men who are receptive to sublteties.... and those that aren't. Has nothing to do with intelligence! Men are not wired the same way as women.... don't think the way women do. Men are not mind readers.... and it is unfair for women to expect them to be. There are also women who do not know how to flirt.....for many reasons..... although I am not one of them. When my flirting is not effective.... I will take the first move to say something. Sometimes the man is not interested.... and that is okay. Sometimes they just didn't get the signs. And sometimes..... well they are just afraid of rejection! I for one am not going to let the chance slip by..... life is too short and I am not patient enough to play games! LOL


Maybe you could teach the younger ladies some of this wisdom. :)
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 191 (view)
 
WHY ARE WOMEN OVER 30 A FAILURE WHEN THEY ARE SINGLE AND CHILDLESS?
Posted: 9/30/2007 11:39:13 AM
On that logic, I guess Im a failure being single, never married at the age of 31.

It's all a matter of how we grow and what happens in our lives. People can have sucessful marriages well on up in age.

It's just a matter of, can and will you love and respect them? Can you make that promise of marriage and stick to it for a lifetime?
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 77 (view)
 
Your a man.....So what part don't you understand?
Posted: 9/30/2007 11:31:02 AM

...frankly I think both sides (refering to genders here, not specific people) have done their share of lying and because of it, neither gender trusts the other anymore.


You cant possibly trust someone, if you dont have it in writing. Marriage is a trust bond, before the sight of God. It's a promise that you will both suffer the good and bad times together. Do people really listen to the marriage vows and what they say anymore?

So if you have sex with someone outside of the marriage realm, then your just asking for hurt and pain.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Do you have any uncannonized biblical books, gospels or epistles you would recommennd people read?
Posted: 9/22/2007 4:12:52 PM
There are many. The person who translated that pdf from the original middle english, has a website too. His views on scripture might not match up with the church, but he does show side by side comparisons, and the differences in even the 1611 KJV and Tyndales translation.

It's what got me to read Tyndales. And after a time, I truely believe tyndale has translated the Word of God faithfully.

http://godstruthtous.com/tablecgvkframesnt.htm is a link to a comparison. It's in frames, so you have to link the letters at the top, from the book you want to compare to. the Tyndale will appear on the left, the other on the right.

I do believe King James added his own understanding to the Word. The KJV is very close, but in my opinion, it's only good in horseshoes and handgrenades. :)

A few things that were changed are:
the word 'church' in the KJV, in the tyndale, is the word 'congregation'
Remember the pale horse in revelations? Well, in the tyndale, it's the green horse.
Just little nit nacks, but if you see the comparisons, it goes much deeper than this.

I wish I could get ahold of the originals from what tyndale translated the Word from.
From what I have read, he did it from a revision of the Vulgate, and some others say, it was from the very originals (hebrew and greek). I guess we wont know till we are with Jesus.

I have learned much about the Word from his translation.

And to add on: Tyndale died as a martyre for Jesus. King James didn't. Tyndale was faithful till the end, and this alone leads me to believe he was Holy inspired.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Timothy and Titus verses that make me wonder
Posted: 9/14/2007 7:25:48 PM
yna6,

Actually Jesus taught exactly what his father in heaven taught. Whatever he saw the father do, he did. So in effect, he was teaching everyone what the father wanted.

As for Paul receiving his knowledge, I would say it was partly to do with his previous knowledge of the old ways(Mosiac law, etc). Since Paul was Saul, an accuser of Gentiles, he must have been very knowledgable to be an accuser.

As for the term satan, The full word for that name is 'sathanas', just for reference's sake.
Lucifer fell from heaven, as Jesus told this in Luke 10, p3:


And the seventy returned again with joy, saying: Lord even the very devils are subdued to us through thy name. And he said unto them: I saw Satan, as it had been lightning, fall
down from heaven.


Now if the serpent(dragon) wasnt very Lucifer, then why was he considered the old serpent in Revelation 12, p3:


And there was great battle in heaven, Michael and his Angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his Angels, and prevailed not: neither was their place found any
more in heaven. And the great dragon, that old serpent called the devil and Satan was cast out. Which deceiveth all the world. And he was cast into the earth, and his angels were cast out also.


A 3rd of the angels fell with Lucifer, which is a lot of angels. Surely enough for every human being to have ever existed. Enough to go around and cause mischief in everyones lives, if the Father deemed it.

However you term the word serpent, it's very clear what the word says who the serpent is.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 94 (view)
 
Do you believe in hell?
Posted: 9/10/2007 1:40:04 PM

But why send them to a place of eternal torment?I have no desire to ever live with or even see my ex wife again,and the fact that she lives in Illinois now and I in Florida,this is taken care of,but I have no desire to see her being tormented forever.Sorry dude,still makes no sense to me.

Thats just it, he doesn't want that to happen either.

The problem is, Jesus dying for the sins of man, past, present, and future is the only way to redeem us all. Why is this the only way? I have no idea, but Im sure if God the father had a better way, then it would have been done.

A person that rejects God's son, will not want to spend eternity in the presence of them both. God is a just God, as well as a loving God. If he didn't punish the wicked, then he would be evil, by our definition. It would be like a judge letting everyone that comes before him, that have done any number of crimes, minor and horrid, to let them go free, with no punish(child molesters, rapists, murderers, speeding violations, etc, etc)

I don't wish anyone to Hell. I have been to this place personally in the spirit.
What makes Hell, Hell, is total separation from God. The torturing and such are minor, compared to the total despair you feel there. A feeling of absolute hopelessness.
And contrary to folks that believe they will be with their friends in Hell, no one is your buddy there. Most are put by themselves, suffering in the very sin they did on earth.

I wish their was another way, but considering Jesus already died for this cause, who are we to tell God the father: So What?

Jesus endured our punishment, so we wouldn't have to. For that personally, I owe him my existence. But not because I feel obligated, but because I love him for it.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Do you have any uncannonized biblical books, gospels or epistles you would recommennd people read?
Posted: 9/10/2007 1:31:11 PM


My thoughts are that the Bible says any one who adds to or takes away from the Word will be condemned. My thoughts are also that the Bible says anything that is taught to you that is not what was written [in the Bible] and not taught [by the disciples] is to be accursed.

Scriptural references upon interest and request.


I agree.
We all must be careful, when it comes to scripture. Hence why myself personally, I only consider the 4th book of Esdras. Again, I could be wrong, but the text has something about it that the other books do not have. It doesn't go against scripture, that I have seen. And it is apocalyptic.

Again, to be on the safe side, stick to the 66 books. None of us want to be wrong on judgment day. Something always good to do is: PRAY.

I recommend the 1526 1st printing of the Tyndale New Testament and the 1531 OT translation. A rough pdf download of it can be found at www.thysayingistruth.com('Littlebook5-7.pdf')

BTW: William Tyndale translated the NT first, because he thought it to be more of a use for the people.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 91 (view)
 
Do you believe in hell?
Posted: 9/10/2007 1:10:51 PM


So how does free will work when you're dealing with an omniscient being that already knows the outcome of everything?This never made sense to me.This all loving God gives his children this "choice"...


Quite an oddity, isn't it? Heres the answer:
Since God already knows the end from the beginning, he knows who 'would have' or in our vantage point 'who will' come to accept his sacrifice(his son on the cross). Everything from the beginning, to the end, is played out already from his perspective, because God the father isn't limited by time.
This is why from God's perspective, their were people that were ordained to be his chosen(ones that accept his sons death as payment), before they were even born(because God knows the beginning from the end).

But is this still freewill? Yes. Why? Because he still allows us to choose him or death. But he already knows who will come and who wont. Yep. But that choice was/would/has already been made by you, before you were even born, because God is not limited by time, dont forget.

Confusing? To some, but I do try to put it in terms folks can understand, because truthfully, it really is hard to understand infinity, with a finite mind. :)



..Either believe or you're gonna suffer forever,but remember HE LOVES YOU!And above all else,He needs money!He can turn the planets and guide the universe,but for some reason He has a cash flow problem.

Yep, he loves all of his creation. But all of his creation doesn't love him. Why would a God that made you, want his own creation to be in his presence for eternity, mocking him? Which is why they are sent to a place far from him; Hell.

God does not need your money. He owns it all. He takes and gives to whom he so desires. Charity is a good thing, not for God's 'coffers', but for you. Yep, you. To be more like him, a loving, caring, 'giving' God.
It is better to give than to receive.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 50 (view)
 
Timothy and titus verses that make me wonder
Posted: 9/10/2007 12:56:31 PM
good point river
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Do you have any uncannonized biblical books, gospels or epistles you would recommennd people read?
Posted: 9/10/2007 6:59:39 AM
dunrich, be careful what you find. As I have said before, I don't take too much stock in most of the apocrypha books. But I give notice to the 4th Book of Esdras, because of what it says, and (to me) it's parallels with whats happening today in the world, and from what God (allegedly) tells Esdras.

1526-1531 Tyndale included these Apocrypha books:

Judith
Prayer of Manasses
Wisdom
Tobiah
3rd Esdras
4th Esdras
1st Machabees
2nd Machabees
------------------------------------------------------------------
These books were even in the 1611 King James, up until I believe the late 1800's.

Like I said, I dont put much stock in them, except 4 Esdras. Even then, I could be wrong, but it is worth a glance to me personally.

The other 66 books, I do consider the Word of God.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Timothy and titus verses that make me wonder
Posted: 9/10/2007 6:30:25 AM
Geometry, so your point is about people under the new covenant(Jesus), saying they dont have to follow the 10 commandments anymore?

Thinking that we can just willfully sin away, now that we are under Grace, is crazy. That is actually a sure sign that your not under him.

Jesus died on the cross, because we can not possibly fulfill the law, whether it be food, sacrificial, or the 10 without him. Thru the spirit of truth(holy ghost/holy spirit), we can fulfill his will, to follow his commandments, whatever they may be, because Jesus fulfilled them perfectly.

Basically, your speaking to the quire with me, but I do appreciate pointing out the differences in the term 'law' because I didnt know the greek had a few different meanings to the term.

I have been studying the 1526-1531 tyndale translation for months now, and I do consider it a more perfect word, over the King James. And before anyone considers only the KJV, know this: The majority of the KJV came from the Tyndale translation.

I would like to get my hands on the hebrew and greek tyndale used to translate the word. As you have stated, law has a few different meanings in the greek.
Do you by chance have the source of tyndales translation?(the original hebrew and greek)

www.williamtyndale.com has some info on him, for anyone who wants to learn about this brother in Christ. Also, heres another source of info: http://www.wayoflife.org/articles/williamtyndale.htm
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 82 (view)
 
Do you believe in hell?
Posted: 9/10/2007 6:14:11 AM


OK so now you can tell me how that God, who according to the standard definition of God as omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent is able to condemn people to an infinity of either torture or destruction when he has the capacity to rehabilitate them and redeem them...

Freewill.
And he gave us a way out, his son Jesus, that he sacrificed on the cross.
Accept the only way, or by choice, you reject it, and condemn yourself.
Why isn't there another way? I don't know, but sacrificing the one that did nothing wrong: must have been the only way, or Im sure he would have chosen another venue.



Otherwise, you have described a God that is no better than a bully, a demonic maniacal paranoid sadistic criminal with a fetish for torture and murder that deserves to be reviled, mocked and spit in the face of and not worshiped or held in any kind of regard at all...a god that is the moral inferior of the least of humankind.


Since we ALL deserve death at this very second, you might want to thank him that you are still breathing for another day. Mocking an omnipotent, omnipresent, infinite God: would you consider that, insane?

The truth of the matter is, we don't have a say so as to what things he allows to happen. Why? Because we disobeyed him, and for that alone, we deserve eternal separation from him. Don't agree? Doesn't matter.
He is the Master.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Timothy and titus verses that make me wonder
Posted: 9/8/2007 10:55:01 PM
Paul was inspired by the holy ghost to write his testimony. This is where faith comes into play. If you have no faith, then you cant possibly believe anything that the word of God says, no matter what I say to you.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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whats the point in the whole thing
Posted: 9/8/2007 8:00:01 PM


In the ancient Vedic scriptures of India it is said that God remains a secret for those who have no desire to know Him. For those who consider the existence of God to be mere sentimental imagination or intellectual laziness, He remains remote. But for those who consider that there may just possibly be a God, and are prepared to do some searching, He begins to provide all facility and guidance for that soul, both from within, and without.

There is some truth in your statement.

For people that openly deny God, and his existence, truth is hidden from them. They are turned over to their own lusts('strong desires' for whatever), and their heart is hardened.

For people that seek him, truth is opened little by little. The closer you get to know him, thru his word, the more you come to understand who he is.

I must add this truth:

God created everything. He answers to no one. Imagine a being that has the power to do anything, unlimited. Would something he creates, have any kind of right to talk back to him?

Before you decide in your heart that God is some evil ogre, understand this:
As sinners, we deserve death at this very second. It's only by his patience and mercy that we get to live another day. Knowing this, you start to realize why death happens in this world, and to people that you think don't deserve it. Knowing that this very second, we deserve to die because of our disobedience to almighty God, truly, we have no say so on what he does at all.

The very essence of evil, truly, is disobedience. Disobeying God is evil. Can God disobey himself? If not, then how can God be evil? Truly he is good, and the only good. Even

Jesus said this in Luke 18, p5:



And a certain ruler asked him saying: good master: what ought I to do, to obtain eternal life? Jesus said unto him: Why callest thou me good? None is good, save God only.

Only God the father is good.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Do you have any uncannonized biblical books, gospels or epistles you would recommennd people read?
Posted: 9/8/2007 7:46:16 PM
Books of the Apocrypha are non canon. I personally don't put too much into those, because they are of an isolated nature, meaning they don't contribute much to the other Gospels.

However, 1 book I do hold some reverence to, is the '4th book of Esdras'(it is apocalyptic).
Why?

Because America is in it.(The great Eagle: aka Rome reborn)
In my understanding, America is Rome rebuilt, and quite possibly, a holder of the Great whore(from the book of Revelation). As for what city it is, Ive tossed around possibly New York, or Washington DC.

Believe it or not, the Apocrypha books were in every bible up until I believe the late 1800's, when they were takin out. Never held as canon, but considered reads non the less. Yes, even the 1611 King James had them originally.

If you would like the 4th book of Esdras, I can email you the book from the 1526-1531 Tyndale translation.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Timothy and titus verses that make me wonder
Posted: 9/8/2007 7:33:00 PM


There are some verses in the new testiment that raise my eyebrow. Being very open minded it makes me wonder about some things. So I will put the verses in here and then ask my question.

1 timothy 1:4- nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.

Heres the whole paragraph originally in the 1526 Tyndale translation:



"As I besought thee to abide still in Ephesus when I departed into Macedonia, even so do, that thou command some that they teach no other wise: [ neither give heed to fables and genealogies which are endless, and breed doubts more than Godly edifying which is by faith ] : for the end of the commandment is love that cometh of a pure heart and of a good conscience, and of faith *unfeigned: from the which things some have errored, and have turned unto vain jangling, because they would be doctors of the scripture, and yet understand not what they speak, neither whereof they affirm. "


I have put the verse you posted in [ ] to clarify where it is. Paul is basically saying that you must read the word of God plainly, without interpretation. In other words, it says what it says, without interpretation.



2 timothy 4:4 - and they will turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside to fables.


Here is the verse, in the entire paragraph for clarification:



I testify therefore before God, and before the Lord Jesu Christ, which shall judge quick and dead at his appearing in his kingdom, preach the word, be fervent, be it in season or out of season. Improve, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come, when they will not suffer wholesome doctrine: but after their own lusts shall they (whose ears itch) get them an heap of teachers, [ and shall turn their ears from the truth, and shall be given unto fables. ] But watch thou in all things, and suffer adversity, and do the work of an Evangelist, fulfil thine office unto the utmost.


Again put inside [ ] to locate the verse.
What Paul talks about here is people that only want to ear things that make them feel good. Also added was what 1 timothy 1:4 adds, in that people will just interpret the word, instead of reading it for what it says plainly.



Titus1:14- not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.


The whole paragraph:



For there are many disobedient and talkers of vanity and deceivers of minds, namely they of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, which pervert whole houses,
teaching things which they ought not because of filthy lucre. One being of themselves, which was a poet of their own, said: The Cretans are always liars evil beasts, and slow bellies. This witness is true, wherefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith, [ and not taking heed to Jewes fables and commandments of men that turn from the truth ] . Unto the pure, are all things pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving, is nothing pure: but even the very minds and consciences of them are defiled. They confess that they know God: but with the deeds they deny him, and are abominable
and disobedient, and unto all good works *discommendable.


Put the verse in [ ] for location.
Again, mans interpretations of the word of God, instead of reading it plainly for what it says. The sentences go on to explain that you must not accept only what someone says, but also to watch what they do.
Kinda reminds me of what politicians do, and have been doing for years. They will promise one thing, and do another. They will tell you they will do this, and they do that.



Now the question...are these telling us we spend to much time bickering about the laws of the old testiment and who begat who and are missing the truth that Jesus spoke? That we focus to much on things that aren't really of any importance if you follow the words of Jesus. I can think of very few religions that have long genealogies except for the biblical based ones. As for fables the old testiment is full of stories that would qualify as them. Besides mythology I can't think of to many more. So are there more religions these verses are talking about other than the ones mentioned above?


Interpretations of men. and also the way they live, does not reflect their beliefs; a hypocrit. People will take a verse, and twist it to their liking, instead of taking it for what it says exactly.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 65 (view)
 
Do you believe in hell?
Posted: 9/8/2007 1:33:01 PM


Because I can't understand why a kind and merciful God who loves sinners would condemn someone eternally to hell. This seems to be a paradox.


Because God is a just god, as well as a loving god. If he didn't punish the evil doers, then he would be an evil God.

Hence why Jesus died for All of our sins, and thru him, by accepting that he is the atonement for sins, past, present, and future.
To not accept this huge sacrifice God the father made, by making his own son, the sin bearer, the one who knew no sin, then it's a slap in the face to God.

Hell was never meant for man. It was made for the fallen angels, and satan included. Its unfortunate that so many won't accept the sacrifice Jesus made, and because of this, they have to be eternally separated from the father God, which is in Hell.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 57 (view)
 
Do you believe in hell?
Posted: 9/8/2007 6:28:03 AM
consigliere31:



Revelation 20, p4:
"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be
loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the people
which are in the four quarters of the earth Gog and Magog, to
gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of
the sea: and they went up on the plain of the earth, and
compassed the tents of the saints about, and the beloved city.
And fire came down from God, out of heaven, and devoured
them: and the devil that deceived them, was cast into a lake of
fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were
and shall be tormented day and night for ever more."

After the final battle, the devil(satan) is cast into the lake of fire, along with the beast and false prophet, to be tormented for ever more.
This is the last book, because it is the future. satan is never reconciled, because he and the fallen angels never had a choice to disobey.



Revelation 20, p5:
And I saw a great white seat and him that sat on it, from whose face fled away both the earth and heaven, and their place was no more found. And I saw the dead, both great and
small stonde before God: And the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged of those things which were written in the books according to their deeds: and the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to his deeds. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is that second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire.


The old heaven and earth will be completely wiped out, making way for a new heaven and earth. Everyone that ever was, is now standing before God, and is going to be judged. Without Christ Jesus, they will be judged by their works on earth, and no one is righteous apart from Christ taking their place, meaning everyone who doesn't have his son, Jesus Christ, will be sent to hell for eternity(second death). The lake of fire is in hell, where satan, the beast, and the false prophet have been cast, forever.

Also, about the NIV verse your quoting from Hebrews 5:7-9:
Heres the Original from the 1526 Tyndale, as I have been quoting from all along, which might make it clearer:



Hebrews 5, v7-9:
"Which in the days of his flesh, did offer up
prayers and supplications, with strong crying and tears unto
him that was able to save him from death and was also heard,
because of his Godliness. And though he were Gods son, yet
learned he obedience, by those things which he suffered, and
was made perfect, and the cause of eternal salvation unto all
them that obey him:"


As the paragraphs before and after this verse explain, Jesus learned obedience to the Father, howbeit to set an example for all of us to follow.



Romans 11, p1:
"I say then: hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For even I verily am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, and of the tribe of Benjamin, God hath not cast away his people which he knew before. Either wot ye not what the scripture saith by the mouth of Helias, how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying: Lord they have killed thy Prophets and digged down thine altars: and I am left only, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God to him again? I have reserved unto me seven thousand men which have not bowed the knee to Baal. Even so at this time is there a remnant left through the election of grace. If it be of grace, then is it not of works. For then were grace no more grace. If it be of works, then is it no more grace. For then were deserving no longer deserving. What then? Israel hath not obtained that he sought. No but yet the election hath obtained it. The remnant are blinded, according as it is written: God hath given them the spirit of unquietness: eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear even unto this day. And David saith: Let their table be made a snare to take them with all, and an occasion to fall, and a reward unto them. Let their eyes be blinded that they see not: and even bow down their backs."


7 thousand is hardly all of the people of Israel. A remnant will be saved, as of God's own choosing. Why does he choose a small remnant? Because he is God, he can do anything he wants. It is written in scripture that he has this authority.
Paul is explaining, as the before chapter entails, that the Jews are blinded by the law, to believe that thru works alone, they can be justified: When Jesus came to be the final sacrifice for their sins, and they see this not.



Romans 10, p3:
"This word is the word of faith which we preach. For if thou shalt knowledge with thy mouth that Jesus is the Lord, and shalt believe with thine heart that God raised him up from death, thou shalt be safe. For the belief of the heart justifieth, and to knowledge with the mouth maketh a man safe. For the scripture saith: whosoever believeth on him, shall not be ashamed."


To believe on Jesus with your heart, that God raised him from the dead, and to confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you will be saved. But you must believe. How do you receive belief? You must be called first by the Father. This is also thruout scripture.



Romans 10, p4:
"There is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile. For one is Lord of all, which is rich unto all that call on him. For whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord, shall be safe. But how shall they call on him, on whom they believed not? how shall they believe on him of whom they have not heard? how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach except they be sent? As it is written: how beautiful are the feet of them which bring glad tidings of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things. But they have not all obeyed to the Gospell. For Esaias saith: Lord who shall believe our sayings? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing cometh by the word of God. But I ask: have they not heard? No doubt, their sound went out into all lands: and their words into the ends of the world."


This is why we as believers share the Gospel with others, because without people hearing of the good news of the Gospel, how will they know about it?
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 46 (view)
 
Do you believe in hell?
Posted: 9/7/2007 6:07:59 PM


Colossians 1:19 ... It even states that satan will be reconciled...this one is a tough one for fundametalits to come to grips with.


I must ask how you come to the conclusion that satan will be reconciled? Lucifer and 1 third of the angels fell with him. They had no choice, hence why they fell, without redemption.

Man has a choice, something the angels never had, or have. They must obey God or fall forever.

If you have some scripture to backup satan being redeemed, by all means, post it for further study. :)
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Do you believe in hell?
Posted: 9/7/2007 11:00:10 AM
Yes.
I have personally been there in the spirit before I came to Christ.

If there is a hell, their is a heaven.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Would like a Christian point of view on the following
Posted: 9/3/2007 5:42:30 PM
Romans Chapter 1(1526 Tyndale translation):


"Wherefore God like wise gave them up unto their hearts lusts, unto uncleanness, to
defile their own bodies between themselves: which turned his truth unto a lie, and worshipped and served the creatures more then the maker, which is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto shameful lusts. For even their women did change the natural use unto the unnatural. And likewise also the men left the natural use of the woman, and burned in their lusts one on another. And man with man wrought filthiness, and received in themselves the reward of their error, as it was according."


God allowed them to defile themselves unto shameful lusts. (sex outside of marriage, homosexuallity, etc)

"And man with man wrought filthiness..."
Man having sex with man.

"..and received in themselves the reward of their error, as it was according."
Diseases and such that comes from this type of sex.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 224 (view)
 
Causes of Moral Decline?
Posted: 8/18/2007 6:27:31 PM
Moral decline is the problem; moreso, the decline of the family.

The family is the basis of a society. When the family is destroyed, so is the society.

Face it folks, whether you agree with it or not, this country is going down, unless we turn away from ALL the immorality, whether you think it's right or not.

To some, Im beating a dead horse but, the word of God says this to be true: Turn away from the creator, then we are left to our own devices, which is nothing but evil.

Deep down in your souls, you know their is a God. Deny it if you will, doesn't matter.

If a criminal walks up to you, and demands you hand over your wallet, or he will shoot you.
You can say you dont believe in bullets, but that still doesnt deny the fact that there is a bullet in that gun.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Question For The Over 30's
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:39:10 PM
Forget age. If you click, you click. (baring folks below 18 years old)
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Losing weight, looking older- which is worse?
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:37:00 PM
hmph, I lost about 90 lbs and feel pretty good. I could tell you the secret to it if you like.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Dental hygene... to kiss or not to kiss?
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:33:36 PM
People are extremely obsessed with dental hygiene these days. What if they had perfect teeth, and smelled like a garbage dump?

That being said, I take care of my teeth. I dont go overboard, but I still have them all, minus a root canal crowned.

The real question is: Can you love someone for them, and ignore a few faults?

EDIT: BTW, fluoride will destroy your teeth. Dont believe the hype, because the hype misters are paid by the people that profit from the stuff. ;)

And floss! :D
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 42 (view)
 
'New Man' RIP, Long live Alpha Male - Discuss
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:28:55 PM
God created man, to be a man, not a woman; hence why woman was created. :)
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 86 (view)
 
What Happens When You Are 30+ and Single
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:26:59 PM
You have more money to spend? :)
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 124 (view)
 
30 and never married?
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:22:39 PM
Never married. Had too many things going on after high school.

Am I ready now? Not sure.
Would I like to be married? Depends on the woman, obviously.

Is their a perfect match for everyone? No. But their are folks who are more compatible than others.

The question is: Are you willing to commit yourself to a person, thru the hard times as well as the good times? If your not, then DO NOT get married.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 65 (view)
 
How important is your Faith...
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:19:18 PM
My faith comes first; In that Jesus Christ is first in my life, regardless of how hard life is, or lonely.

Put him first, everything else falls into place. This includes women as well.

Robert
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 99 (view)
 
Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:21:03 AM
I believe it is possible. First and foremost, people are tired of politics and the lying that goes on. This great country will fall from within, and it is happening right now; I wish it wasnt so. We all need to realize that this world is corrupt and people are out to kill us. The only reason it doesnt happen here yet is because our government still protects us.

Anyways, Im conservative but Im not necessarily a republican anymore. My party is going a different route and so they are leaving me. Id rather the constitutional party come about but who knows. Like Andrew Wilkow said, Patriot first, Conservative 2nd, Republican 3rd. He's considering leaving the republican party and Im right there with him for the same reasons.

Politics will continue to divide this country and many outlets like the mainstream media will fuel this fire until it's out of control. I say, if you hate America, then please leave. Too many men and women died for our freedoms that we so enjoy today.

To let things like socialism take root is a slap in the face of those brave souls. We can stop this insanity of all this bickering but we all must put aside our politics and realize that we are Americans 1st.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 152 (view)
 
Liberalist Tree Hugger!!!!
Posted: 10/23/2006 2:01:35 PM
posted by 'Speiffer':

...I think 3\4 of hollywood should hop on a boat to China with half their family and let them come up missing and nobody not give a horses ass and then talk about how horrible America is and its leader. We as ppl should be sure of what it is we are walking with. Common sence in most cases is free and in all other cases there is plenty of it around for decent ppl to help those whom are not so fortunate go around.


Thats just it, the hollywood types dont live in our reality. If things get hot in the kitchen(America), they will just grab a plane ride to another country. Who gets left holding the bag?

Reminds me of the hypocrisy that goes on in Washington. Al Gore will complain about 'global warming' and how we need to cut back on fossil fuel use; Yet he will fly around in his fossil fuel burning jet plane around the country. He owns a coal company for heavens sake!

Anyways, I know how you feel. Burns me up with the talking out the side of the mouth that goes on.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 151 (view)
 
Liberalist Tree Hugger!!!!
Posted: 10/23/2006 1:56:16 PM
posted by billbutler8:
...We are done slamming the President. We are just looking forward to January 20th, 2009 when we will officially put someone in the White House who can not only form complete sentences, but can run a country, and hopefully bring or boys back out of harm's way.


-So tell me, since when is stumbling your sentences, a sign that your incompetant? Some of the greatest minds in the world couldn't talk worth a flip; least like a politician.

-What gave you the impression, he cant run the country? He has protected us from many further attacks by the terrorists, yet you wont acknowledge that he's doing a good job? Would you rather some jihadist nuke a city before you will say something? Then you would do nothing but criticize him 'because' he didn't do nothing. Seems he's gonna get it either way from you; Bush cant please you no matter what he does. Sounds like a pure hatred for the man.

-The boys will be back when the job is done. Id rather our troops not be in harms way but it's better than fighting Alkida in the streets of my city or yours no?

Please back up your emotional arguements with logic and facts. Otherwise, you sound like someone who just hates the man because of who he is, and not what he has done.

EDIT: btw, the border issue has been a sore one, but he's coming around now; finally. We conservative patriots dont follow blindly...
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Please Somebody Help Me Deal With This
Posted: 9/22/2006 7:03:42 AM
You can do a whole lot better. This girl hasn't grown up yet; kids having kids.

On behalf of truckers; Nope, not all us truckers are complete boobs like that trucker is. Their are plenty of them, but Im not. ;)

Anyways, it sux to love and have this happen; Cant say it is easy to get over, but you will.

Best thing to do now is go find another lady to be friends with. Friends are great to be around when your hurting.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 71 (view)
 
streeetching your food dollar
Posted: 9/21/2006 6:56:26 PM
When Im home from the road, I goto Publix and spend around $40 for the road.

It's usually:

bread(natures own-decent no preservative bread))
peanut butter(Smart Balance Omega-good stuff)
maybe a packet of public cheese slices
milk(organic in big carton)
box of cereal(kashi-good natural cereal, blueberries)
couple cups of natural yogurt
couple cans of pineapple slices
couple jugs of water
I fill a couple water jugs full of house water to save money, by not buying bottled water
3 or 4 Sour Apples
Pure bee Honey

ok, not the most cost effective, but it keeps me going, and healthy too. I appreciate quality over quantity most of the time. :)
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Is Hell, Separation from God?
Posted: 9/17/2006 3:08:15 PM
According to the word (and my beliefs), Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day, so he isn't in hell. He took the keys of death from death itself, to bring life to those who choose to accept him.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 57 (view)
 
Is Hell, Separation from God?
Posted: 9/10/2006 8:29:53 PM
posted by krathnami:
Such conviction, however wrong. One, coldness and darkness implies something. Two, God is omnipresent, therefore he is in Hell as well. If Hell is the separation from God, he would not be omnipresent would he? Christianity, is therefore bunk. Nihil Est Quid. Nothing is at least something.


God is omnipresent but he is also omnipotent. A God with unlimited power; wouldn't you agree that anything is possible with him then? If so, then wouldn't it be conceivable, that he could make a place that is so far from his presence, that he doesn't dwell there?

It says in the bible that their is a great void separating heaven and hell. The void is so great, nothing can cross it.

About nothing being something; I think it is hard to comprehend a place that is void of anything good. I have experienced this place. That feeling is of total separation from all that is good. It's so strong that it tears at your soul; it's like a huge burden that is never lifted. 'Nothing', in this context, means 'nothing good'.

Hell is total separation from the creator of all things. A horrible place humans were never meant to be apart of. Of course...we all have a choice to make.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 93 (view)
 
Opinion...Wake Up! We Are At War
Posted: 9/9/2006 9:49:40 PM

posted by That Guy Him:
And you want to exterminate them because they are not like you... what's the difference other than which side of the army you're standing on?


The big difference is that they started the war with us; We didn't start the fight. And before you say we invaded them, remember 911?

They started the fight, we decided to be the ones to finish it.

We dont tell others of the world if you dont join us, we will kill you; They do.

Our country was founded upon christian ideals and beliefs, by the founding fathers. Check the history books; these men had a firm belief in an All powerful creator.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Opinion...Wake Up! We Are At War
Posted: 9/9/2006 6:22:04 PM
posted by interdimensional:

Is it wisdom to blindly seek the erradication of those who oppose your agenda...or to try and actually understand and come to terms with the reasons underlying the conflict. I would have hoped this would have been self evident. But we like to argue about when and how to kill those who oppose rather than discuss why it is they are opposed to us in the first place.


There is something you have to understand; Some things arent meant to be understood. Take evil for instance: the things evil does is beyond a lot of peoples understanding and why would you want to understand it to begin with?

What you are saying doesn't apply to the terrorists. They plainly believe that we are the infidels because we will not convert to there way of thinking and religion. It plainly states in the Koran that if the unbeliever wont convert, then slay him. Wouldn't someone then jump to the conclusion that this is actually nazism?

If you go back into history, you will see that the Islamists sided with Hitler to exterminate the Jews; go figure.

So, in summary, why do we have to understand them from a pyschological standpoint? Those folks are NUTS, plain and simple.

If you must understand anything, it is this: They want to KILL US. Thats all you need to understand; They dont want negotiations; They want to exterminate us because we are not like them.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 46 (view)
 
Is Hell, Separation from God?
Posted: 9/2/2006 10:32:17 PM
I suppose to believe my testimony as literal, you would have to believe that their is an actual Hell. All I can tell you is, this place is very real. What I saw and what I felt was far from a dream. Something strong enough to change a persons deep rooted beliefs, could be considered a strong possiblity to a skeptic.

All I can assure anyone of is, that this was beyond the realm of dreams; It had physical substance and had my senses overwhelmed. I will go to my grave believing I went to Hell because it has put somewhat of a scar on my soul.

Lets just say theoretically, if there was an all powerful God, and he took interest in your life, displaying power that you could not contend with, bringing you to a religion devoted to his spiritually inspired word(the bible, and this is my belief), changing your life from a spiraling downfall to an upward momentum you never thought possible, making you aware of this world and the world to come, even this life, thru his word(the bible, my beliefs); things you never even imagined;

would you possibly consider his existence; even the most diehard skeptic?

I did, and I was a diehard skeptic.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Is Hell, Separation from God?
Posted: 8/28/2006 9:30:02 PM
Quite simply, hell is very real. It's as real as the keyboard your typing on.

If you want to see my testimony, it is about going to hell.

Heres the link if you want to know:

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/4482394datingPostpage3.aspx#5126417
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 167 (view)
 
Is Intelligence A Curse In Relationships?
Posted: 8/13/2006 5:10:19 PM
You know, I enjoy a smart women. Im considered a smart guy but Im not smart in everything. If I wasn't taught something, obviously I dont know it. This is where some people think that Im stupid because I dont 'know' certain things. Just the opposite, If I knew it, I could talk about it.

Then you got folks that mistake your thinking about what someone tells you, for slowness. Nope, I actually like to think about the question before I give the answer so I dont stick my foot in my mouth; Doesn't always happen that way of course. :-)

Ive learned a time ago, I dont need to flaunt it because I dont need to make people feel stupid around me and it's arrogant; Sounds kinda bad but it's true.

Maybe thats why I dont catch on to women and their 'signals' like others do because for the most part, I like to be told, instead of making an assumption, then they get all mad at me because I took the initiative. Talk about a conundrum!
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Public Education
Posted: 8/13/2006 5:04:14 PM
The public school system is a complete failure. And taking recess out, they wonder why people are so hyper and obese.

Kids got to let that energy out or they will act like they cant stop moving. Then doctors diagnose them as having some type of disease or problem; hence ritolen, which does 1000% more harm to them than just letting them go play? outside could.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 30 (view)
 
What makes someone moral?
Posted: 8/13/2006 4:47:31 PM
I would tend to disagree. I would also say that the 10 commandments is a good point of reference of a moral absolute, wouldn't you say?

The problem with not having a moral absolute:

Eventually, 1 person will come across another with totally differing values; say one believes it's ok to steal and another thinks people that steal should have their hands cut off. This situation is an example but is a reality if everyone has no absolute moral foundation to come from.

 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 75 (view)
 
The infamous NICE GUY rant
Posted: 8/13/2006 12:37:18 PM
I must admit, I read some of it and saw some of my past aquaintances. I think the big problem is, society has forgotten about how to turn boys into men and girls into women. I remember hearing back in the days when the grandmother would teach her daughters girls how to be women and such, and the grandpas vise versa.

Looking back it is true that you have to like yourself first. If you do, then you will be aware of it when the opposite sex wants to just use you; Cant be 'too' trusting, sadly.

Mutual respect is a good indicator, no?
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 142 (view)
 
How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 8/12/2006 8:40:55 PM
well tenaka, that was wrong of them to give you detention. My experiences with it were not such.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 28 (view)
 
What makes someone moral?
Posted: 8/12/2006 7:59:36 PM
Lets take it one step further;

How about moral absolutes?

What is right, period.

The 10 commandments come to mind....
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 147 (view)
 
what is wrong with men
Posted: 8/12/2006 7:55:50 PM


posted by janicholie:
believe it was the start of the feminist movement of the mid 1900 that declaired that all women are independent and men are nothing more than dump sexist pigs, who just sit around the house and get fat while demanding sex all the time. So men started acting like that and now you women have a problem with it?

So what is wrong with women?


Word
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 70 (view)
 
Sexual Morality
Posted: 8/12/2006 7:45:21 PM
We are sexual beings. Our bodies were setup for it. It was always suppose to be kept in marriage because it is so strong. Sex outside of marriage is nothing more than lust. Loving a person is about commitment to them only, in marriage. If only we had more virgins that married.
 Rob_0126
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
The Effect of Prayer
Posted: 8/12/2006 7:40:31 PM
Prayer has a great effect in my life. Praying is my way of talking to God on a more personal level. Sometimes I ask Jesus for things out of the blue in vain, and I believe he answers some because he knows I need it, or not.

I have prayed for people and I have seen the effects of it in their lives; It really is amazing. What am I talking about, our God is amazing.
 
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