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kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/21/2009 1:30:42 PM
.........Again you speak without knowing the facts You think you have all the facts???...not knowing me or my ex husband. give me a break. how about instead of me listening to your crap you listen to whats REAL not what your assuming or guessing. I was there......you was not. .........Kitten should be as responsible for her husband's depression Not so. I cant control anyone's feelings or actions. Quite frankly neither can you. But you are a true idiot for saying such a thing. Earth to rdcnorm. earth to rdcnorm. time for you to return to reality.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 587 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/21/2009 1:00:57 PM
Off topic, having someone divorce you will most certainly lead to depression. I highly doubt that. Do you have any idea how many people divorce daily and dont go into depression or commmitt suicide. divorce might make someone sad but complete depression is not likely.depression is not just being sad its a real illness. a chemical imbalance in the brain. rdcnorm i read about depression online after the fact and i know what it is. It also siad no one knows exactly what cuases the chemical imbalance. but a divorce all by itself is not gonna do it. But usually its a combination of things not jsut one. I have been through 3 deaths ....my fahters, my mothers and my ex husband. I have not commiitted suicide or went into a severe depression. 2 of which happened less than a yr apart. rdcnorm it is you that needs the education.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 585 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/21/2009 12:39:44 PM
Again you know this how,, ( see depression) he may have become more depressed because lack of support.. rdcnorm, Talk about assumptions and it was you who wrote the above comment. But I would like to say one thing about your comment. rdcnorm, Depression is a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE IN THE BRAIN. I can not have cured him. Unfortuantly I also didnt know he had depression. I knew he was sad and I did my best to be there for him everytime he needed me. He got on depression pills and was not taking them as directed becuase he would forget sometimes and I bleive that played a major part in him doing what he done. when I found out he was on those pills I told him to get off them with doctors help becuae they were no good. Two weeks later he was dead. I have a co worker who was on them too and she said if you do not take them everyday it will make your suicide thoughts double.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 581 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/21/2009 10:44:37 AM
does the guy your just got hitched to know you feel this way? Not to the full extent no. But I dont see where he needs to. It cant help anything. But it might hurt our relaitonship. He knows that I think about him becuase I mention him sometimes. Such as when he wants to mess with my car that I got from my ex. My ex was funny about my car and who worked on it. So sometimes I get angry if he is diong something to my car that I know my ex wouldn't approve of such as putting too much oil or whatnot. my ex was a very very intelligent man and if he said dont do something than its not gonna be done .....to that car anyway. And yes, I know this can also affect my marriage. Even after our divorce he was checking up on my car, making sure it ran like it should and seeing if any problems were beginning. I will not have anyone mess with that car after all my ex done to keep it in tip top shape. my now husband is either gonna do it right or not at all.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 281 (view)

men disapproving of toys as addition in lovemaking Posted: 1/21/2009 9:01:16 AM
NO my issue has been resolved. I dont need any more answers. However, I do thank all for your responses to my thread...even the bad ones. You all have a nice day and be safe.<img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_76.gif border=0 Oh and wildheart , I am taking no medication whatsoever. not even birth control. I take nothing at all. Just thought I would add that info. poster 285, I dont have a clue how that would matter. Each is allowed to communicate no matter who has something to say.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 578 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/21/2009 8:43:05 AM
no rdcnorm it is you who refuses to accept the things I have said such as had I have known i was choosing between divorce and his death , I would have stayed married to him and gave up my own happiness for his life. But you overlook the good things I have said. You do not want to focus on them. But if he was not gonna do what he did, I would have divorced. I would give up all and any happiness in life to have him back. I dont think it would matter to you how many times I said it, you will overlook it everytime because you enjoy bashing me. it somehow gives your soul much pleasure. death or stay married........i would choose stay married no matter how unhappy we both were. divorce and no death....then I would still choose to divorce.......so he could have the happiness he deserved. He put his sexual desires on hold long enough. ............why wait,, educate your self "NOW" someone sexuality is not about you but them Your wrong. It was about both of us not just him and not just me but BOTH of us. So you get educated. It was aobut me as well becuase I was married to him. If I had not have been married to him then it would have been about just him.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 574 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/21/2009 7:50:49 AM
What my ex needed was help. He was suffering from depression. It is a real illness. Look it up on the internet. Read about it and get educated on it. Had I have remarried him it would not have changed things. the best it would have done was put it off for awhile. I could not have fixed his depression. its a real illness. I'm sure there were many things which led to his depression other than the fact that it runs in his family such as the sleeping disorder he had which doctors help was not really helping him. there were lots of things. our divorce was only a minor part of his depression. But im not psychic so I didnt know he would end his life. I also did not know depression ran in his family until after he committed suicide. his sister told me afterwards. So I will not take the blame for his death but I will always feel quilty for not being able to help him like he needed. I did everything I could for him. I went to his home everytime he called and spent hrs talking to him. we always hugged before I left. He was one hell of a wonderful man that I will never forget. The only peace I am gonna have from this whole ordeal is being reunited with him when I pass. Ya know some woman who claimed to be psychic came over to the house and i didnt know who she was but she pulled me aside and siad to me, " he is here with you" and he asks me to tell you he doesnt want you to blame yourself for what he done." Well that gave me some peace but not enough to matter. My peace will come when we are reunited and not a day before. Im dying on the inside for what happened to him so im ready to die whenever God is ready to take me. today, tomorrow, who cares. Im ready. My life ended the day his did. Ya im still stuck here on earth (hell)...patiently waiting my turn. In my eyes when my ex husband died......so did I. So am I in fear of death...no im looking forward to it so he and I can be reunited. post 577 My husband already knows. he tells me all the time stop smoking so much your smoking about 3 pks a day and i reply who cares we all gotta die one day. What he dont truely realize is although I can smile on the outside and act normal, im dying on the inside. He thinks is sad waht happend and that im over it now. well im not over it and im never gonna be. You know now that I know suicide runs in his family and I have 3 children by him , I have concern as to if im gonna be facing this all over again in my future. It is scary. I dont know how I would react other than being angry as to if my child were gay as husband I believe was. Anger is something I cannot help but Who knows how I would truely handle it utnil im faced with it. All I know is I pray all goes well.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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CELL PHONES WHILE DRIVING CAN KILL! Posted: 1/21/2009 6:51:34 AM
I agree with your post. doesn't matter waht your doing. a wreck can be cuased from cell phone, eating, putting on makeup, reaching for something, the list is endless. why pick on a cell phone. Hell doing nothing but watching the road can cause a wreck. People make dumb decisions even when paying full attention to the road. Poeple take chances which is why so many are killed by trains. I have seen so many pull out in front of a person becuase they just know the person is gonna stop or they think they can make if they hurry. Peoples lack of common sense along with being impatient ...always in a hurry causes lots of accidents.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 572 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/21/2009 4:59:03 AM
if your are so "educated" explain why the ex you loved so much you two had such a great bond, choose to kill himself in front of you When somene is on depression pills and does not take as directed it makes a person twice as suicidal as they would have normally been. I know this becuase the police told me alot of suicides havce took place due to depression pills. When not taken as perscribed it can cause suicide thoughts to double.my frined who use to take them told me all about them. I belive he took his life becuase of depression pills. His lack of forgetting to take them everyday. Why he did it in front of me im guessing maybe becuase he wanted to be found soon and lay somewhere for days waiting to be found. But Im guessing here.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/20/2009 7:18:41 PM
I am "uneducated" how? Your uneducated on death and why people do it. Actually I cant imagine anyone being as dumb on the subject as you appear. I think you are making yourself look so ignorant beucase you are so into bashing me that nothing else matters.... Not your dignity, morals , or respect or anything else good. ........while being an azzhole out the other side of my mouth Isn't that what you were doing..being A 100 percent full blooded a$$hole and still are. .......Try a Logic 101 class When you signing up...the sooner the better. Your in desperate need of it. Kirota, I will use whatever phrases I feel fits a person. There are people here who really should use that phrase to better themselves. To accuse someone of doing somethign so vile as i have been accused of says alot about the person who said it. what one does or says or how one reacts to anything is not an exuse for anyone else to end their own life. thats there doing. its sad and hurts alot of people but its their own doing.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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CELL PHONES WHILE DRIVING CAN KILL! Posted: 1/20/2009 1:42:54 PM
shhhh......well some sure. My sister is in a wheelchair and complains alot about how she just cant do anyting. cant do this , cant do that, i wish, i wish, i wish, if I could I would..... and so forth. I feel sorry for her sometimes. But not all of her days are bad. But I do see a big difference between someone paralyzed and someone who is not just through listening to my sister alone.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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CELL PHONES WHILE DRIVING CAN KILL! Posted: 1/20/2009 12:41:43 PM
Kitten it depends on the crash, the sizes of the vehicles involved, speed, and road conditions just to name a few. The rest falls under people being completely careless drinking and landing down large hill sides that nobody could survive... I agree with that statement too. For me I would prefer to take my chances without a seatbelt due to what I have heard about them. I guess due to my co-wokers friend I dont like them. If a seatbelt broke a persons back and made them paralyzed for rest of life , I dont see them as living anyway. They have no life. They can't do anyting, drive, nothing just nothing.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 562 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/20/2009 12:19:12 PM
rdcnorm, when are you not?????? You do it so much till I even expect it. and yes, you were speaking of me. If you ever posted without involving me in a bad way I think I would fall out of my chair. Anyway, have a good day. Opie, I am not a selfish parent. Just becuase you can accept things does not mean everyone else can or has to. We are all different in how we relate and act towards things or situations. You can take the same advice I gave ms nola in post 557 becuase your post to me 552, was uncalled for and very unintelligent. It was a bad attempt to try and hurt me..which you cannot do. All it does it make you look bad. Save what dignity you have left is there is any and quit talking so crazy. Ok micki call me selfish all day long if thats what floats your boat. have a nice day.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 558 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/20/2009 10:30:55 AM
but there are some who say they can love, while abandoning a person at the same time no rdcnorm, thats whats your implying aobut someone you know nothing about. But that person abanded no one. Again your accusing them of something they are innocent of. You can love many people and be in their life as much as one can without being married to them. Such as a child, a mother, a father, a friend, jsut to name a few. Just thought I would let you know that.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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CELL PHONES WHILE DRIVING CAN KILL! Posted: 1/20/2009 8:26:42 AM
I wasn't aware not wearing my seatbelt garunteed perfect health or instant death Thats becuase it dont. So why is it a law we wear one? Your chances are about the same either way. I dont know what the ratio is but I know from seeing and hearing that seatbelts can be deadly. The way I see it is if its my time to go God is taking me whether I wear a seatbelt or not. What I also know Is I would rather be deceast then messed up for life like my co-workers freind was. I, in fact make my kids wear them belive it or not but only becuase its the law. Myslef I rarely wear one. as far as motorbikes I am scared to death of them. there is no metal protection around them. I mean they are made out of metal i assume but the metal is not over you. I mean you are out in the open. If you get hit by car on one of them its almsot like bieng hit while walking with no vehicle. A car has metal all around it. Granted some cars are better built than others. I know that some will disagree and I dont mind Im just giving my feelings on seatbelts and airbags.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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CELL PHONES WHILE DRIVING CAN KILL! Posted: 1/20/2009 7:43:22 AM
sorry about that girl. However as far as seat belts go, im against them. My co-workers freind had a wreck and thks to a seat belt she will never walk again becuase it broke her back. Now you might say but atleast she is still alive. And I would say I would rather be dead than to live life like she has to. I alot of the time I do not wear them unless I see a cop, then I will hold one over me until I have passed him. It is not a safety thing its a money maker. Personally I would rather die than be paralized for rest of my life cause you aint living anyway under those conditions. I feel the same way about those stupid air bags. those things have killed many many people becuase for short women it breaks their necks when it explodes. I would rather take my chances without any safety things in place beucae in reality they are just as deadly. This is stricktly my opinion and I realize most will disagree. Part of their driver education should be to go to a morgue and view the bodies of car crash victims msg 8 Yes I agree but only to scare them into paying attention when driving not becuase of their drivng but becuase of others driving. but half of whats in the morgue are people who wore seatbelts and the other half did not.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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why am i still arguing with my father 4 years after we buried him ? Posted: 1/20/2009 7:26:13 AM
........You can reply as often as you like. Actually he is right. I also can only do 10 post a day. I have a hard time responding alot of the time too.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/20/2009 6:42:38 AM
ms nola chick, I have known my ex husband half my life and how long again have you known my ex-husband?? Just what I thought....not at all. It's time for you to take kirota's advice which was "better to stay quiet and let people think your dumb than to open your mouth and prove it." The only thing you said in your post that was correct is, you have no idea.....and you are right ....you dont. Have a nice day Nola chick.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 551 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/19/2009 10:55:50 AM
opie people make that comment arund the clock here where im from. It is a common phrase. Your attempts at trying to bash me, by showing how uneducated you really are on the subject is pathetic. why dont you just curse me, call me names, and what ever elese you can think up becuase you would come out looking a whole lot better. Ps opie, you are entitled to your uneducated opinion.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 249 (view)

men disapproving of toys as addition in lovemaking Posted: 1/19/2009 8:32:56 AM
.....I will discuss this situation with him tonight. In fact im gonna call him and ask him to take off work couple hrs early. What is your point? after our ONE conversation he siad no. I accepted it and never mentioned it agian. But he did. and to this day he's glad he did. .....But with a bit of work on my part I think I can help with situation..jsut might take some time I never got that far. after our convo and he said no.......I left it at that. He came to me later all on his own. Had absoultely nothing to do with trying to convince him of anything.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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why do people commit suicide in general? Posted: 1/19/2009 7:52:27 AM
why do people commit suicide in general No matter what reason they had, it all ends the same..........depression. They feel there is no hope left for them. My ex committed suicide and not long before he did he siad "never f u c k with a man that has nothing else to loose." so yes they do feel there is noting left for them.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 549 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/19/2009 7:38:10 AM
.......Why is this kitten fool getting so much attention indigodream, Why do you let it bother you? Don't worry , be happy. ...........You know what they say about arguing with fools We were not arguing. However, a bit of advice for you, take the log out of your own eye so you can see to remove the stick from mine. Happy new yr to all. ...........No one has said anything that you shouldn't agree with either. The only thing I have disagreed with is what people were saying about me concerneing my ex. If you remmeber, I siad right off the bat that op handled the situation the right way. One poster who mentioned showing seuxal stuff to a small child i did disagree with. Those two things are all I have disagreed with.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/19/2009 7:02:04 AM
incuubus, I have said nothing that people shouldn't agree with. If my posts had not have been truned into something that never was meant to mean or lack of clarity in my posts, alot would have agreeed. the only thing I have said that others dont agree with is the anger issue. Not everyone would be angry about it but many would. We cannot help how we feel and we certainly cannot help what others do, for whatever the reason they do it. As far as my ex goes, I would have trashed my own happiness for the rest of my life, in a heart beat flat, without any second thoughts, had I have known he was gonna do what he did. If I had of known that divorce was gonna end up in his death..I would have stayed married to him regardless of what it done to me. However, when I divorced him I did not realize I was choosing between divorce and death.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 245 (view)

men disapproving of toys as addition in lovemaking Posted: 1/19/2009 6:50:00 AM
abelian, when a couple is married there is nothing wrong with asking about anything you want. the worse that can happen is the naswer is no. if you dont ask then you wont know. for some unknown reason you think I made him do it. I did no such thing. He gave it a try becuase he wanted to. Keep in mind that I had already accepted no. He also turned out to like it and quite often asks to use it. So you are mistaken.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 543 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/19/2009 6:41:41 AM
..................So you don't agree with the kicking out or happy about the death Wildheart, I agree to their anger. Kicking him out is what I siad in other posts that I would not do. Everyone handles things differently in life. I can see why they were so mad that they done it but I myself would NOT take it that far. As far as the boy's death, the parents didnt kill him he killed himself. Maybe it was becuase of his parents not liking his other side but they are not the ones who killed him. He killed himself.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 534 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 7:20:39 PM
apology accepted. I kept day after day wondering why do they keep saying im inconsistant. I could not figure it out come hell or high water. Tonight I finally see why. it was not what I was saying. It was what others were assuming and or mistaking comments to mean something different than what it did and comparing them to my acutal words. Well now it all makes sense. I was beginning to think you all was crazy. So now that we udnerstand the problem, I will apologize to all for not being clear enough in my posts. But now im gone. my husband will be here in 10 minutes or so and I have a birthday to attend. The point in quoting the moive was that I would have been as mad as the parents in the moive minus the kicking the child out. I did write in antoher post i would not kick my child out and common sense is I wouldnt want my child dead.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 528 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 6:41:56 PM
dont tell me what post you go get it and put it here. and i was so mad about that phrase someone said about me that i didnt even bother to see who put it up there in order to use the term b i t c h or **stard.When someone accuses me of such horrid shit I get just a bit angry. go get the post and put it here. Ok i went and looked , I still never said anything about me not wanting him to come back. Yoiu have put words in my mouth. I siad I would still feel the same about his other side but never ever did I say anytyihng about me not wanting him alive agian. Not one single word. as far as the poster below me I would be as mad as the parents in that movie but never ever ever did I say I wanted my child dead. Not even once. I also siad in another post that I also would not kick her out of house .. well if it was took that I would rather have my daughhter dead that was an assumption on their part. I guess I should have clarified it. post 532 rndnorm, never assume anyting. your assumptions are wrong. my post means that I love him with all my heart but I cannot be married to him due to his other side for many reasons. when you have a misunderstanding of what my piont is ask me instead of accusing me of crazyness. Wild heart, It Should be common sense that I wouildnt want my own kid dead.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 523 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 6:27:05 PM
.........I would rather say someone who presents them selves as bigot and a liar, and if things were different, she would still have her daughter dead and her husband, the sad part is, even if she could change,, she admits she wouldn't to have them alive again,, What does that say about a person... You b i t c h, You are off your rocker completely. . For your information I would do anything on God's green earth to have my ex husband alive again. I dont know where you came up with that statement above but it never never ever ever came out of my mouth. Do you have any idea how I have and still am suffering without my ex. Do you have any idea how much he meant to me. You are out of your f u c k i n g mind. What kind of drugs are you on. I do not want my daugher dead instead of being homosexual either. I must have missed the above comment by whomever wrote it becuase i dont recall even reading the above comment before. I skip through alot of comments because of shit like the above. if they turn hateful I dont even bother reading the rest of the post. I had to re read the above post over and over agian. I am just in disbelief.. You show me one post just one where I siad i didnt want my ex alive agian or wanted my daughter dead instead of homo. I demand someone go get them and post them here right now. I will respond tomorrow becuase my new hubby is coming in shorlty and I have a birthday to do

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 507 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 2:21:35 PM
I do not believe I am mistaken. A true transvestite does not want to be seen in public. a man that dresses up and stays hidden and just does this act for himself is a true transvestite. Thats how you can tell the difference between the two. Do you believe that a man who is not gay is gonna do anything to make others think he is? When a man dresses as a woman and parades all around in public I doubt he is looking for a woman. Women attract men ...not other women. A true transvestite is not going in pubic and look for anything becuase they do not want to be seen dressed up. If a man wants to find a nice woman, do you think he is gonna dress up as a woman and parade around town? no of course not. If a woman wants to find a nice man, do you think she is gonna dress as a man? no of course not. We dress the opposite of what we are looking for. It's really common sense when you think about it. however, I got my information from an article about transvestites and gays. I did much reading on the subject becuase of my ex. You know people (in this forum) claim my ex (someone they never knew)wasn't gay simply becuase he said he wasn't. well my ex also told me he didnt want to be seen in public.... yet he went out several times in public parading around new orleans....all dolled up. He lied to me. So why would I belive he was not gay just becuase he said he wasn't? Especially when everything pointed to ..he was. When my husband and I were divoring he said to me he was scared to death that if I left he would find himself sucking some man's dick. well, do you think a straight man would have made such a comment? I told him well now is his chance to be who he truely is. and I told him he should have what he wants and that this divorce is for the best ......for both of us.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 239 (view)

men disapproving of toys as addition in lovemaking Posted: 1/17/2009 1:22:37 PM
yes that is so true,, yet you worked real hard to chance your husband's,, Hmmm I didnt change him. he did that all on his own. The difference between you and me is you would have left if your partner disagreed with your wants and I would not. I would not have left him if he chose to never try a toy. Thats the big difference between you and me. And why would you do that ...becuase you want what you want sexually and will not accept less. It's funny how that works for you but you feel it doesn't for my ex-husband. You think I should have stayed married to him and him never ever having what he needed out of sex. Seems kind of cruel to me. In that type of situation I did the right thing. to free somene to be who they are is right. to stay with someone to prevent them from being who they are is wrong. How would you like to be in a relationship and never have the sex you want. YOU would not do it. Neither would anyone else. My ex put his sex life away in order to be with me. But who wants to live a life of no sex. Would you?? Granted he could have had sex with me but he would still feel emptyon the inside becuase I could not fulfill what he needed........a man. There is a huge difference between heterosexual relationships and homosexual relationships. One cannot fulfill the other.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

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how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 12:21:12 PM
..........your current one did,, daaa My current one did not. I have made him do absoultely nothing. ............All because your unwilling to compromise no becuase he needed man and I am female. ...........but give nothing in return,, I gave him the freedom to be who he was. The sexual preference he needed, a woman could not give him. He would have always been unahppy on the inside. I felt he had already lost enough yrs not being who he truely was. Yes rdcnorm my new husband changed his mind. exactly. I did not do it for him. I did not make him. we had the convo one time and i accepted no and never mentioned it agian. he came to me with HIS dicision. I had noting to do with him changing his mind. Opie I have said over and over I bleivce he lied about not being gay. He wanted women's clothes, he wanted to parade around in public in them, and other things that led to him being gay. He wanted a face full of make up. He wanted to be as a woman. Well a woman wants a man. Opie how can a woman satisfy a man who wants a man not a woman? so no I could not give him what he needed or wanted sexually. no rdcnorm , I have always felt he was gay from the time I read about transvestites online. A true transvestite does not want to be seen in public. so that threw transvestite out and left gay. I dotn mean to miss questions but when I see somene being outright rude in the first sentence I do not read the rest of it. Most of the posting on last two pages i have not fully read. rdcnorm I gave my new hubby no grief at all. I asked him a question and I accepted my answer. wildheart I cant find your questoin but if you ask it agian I will respond if this site will let me. Im having a hard time with it sometimes which is why I edit and go back to add more info for other posters. I accept the fact that you all do not agree with me but I did what was right.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 497 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 12:05:16 PM
No one......except your husband...... My husband didnt have to change for me...... He would have only had to change if we stayed married. This is why we divorced. He could once and for all be who he was. He was given the feedom he needed to be who he was and have what he wanted sexually out of life. So you have it backwards ms micki. Opie my husband has no family here. he is from israel. but your right..no kisses in front of family. its fine that its not your belief but it is my belief and his as well.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 233 (view)

men disapproving of toys as addition in lovemaking Posted: 1/17/2009 11:11:27 AM
well thks for everyone's thoughts. My husband has changed his mind about toys. I dont know if he read this thread or what but he came home from work and said lets go to br. I said why. he said you will see and so off we went to br. He took me into a sex store and now often askes me to break out the toy lol. It is not bad like he once thought. Maybe the responses here are why he changed his mind or maybe not. I dont know. I aint even for sure if he read this thread but I do know he knows it exist. Either way, the situation has been resolved. thanks to everyone who responded. Everyone be safe and have a happy new yr. by the way rdcnorm, anal and bj's are not my preference. We are all entitled to our preferences are we not?

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 493 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 10:54:52 AM
rdcnorm, I was raised to believe this way. My husband was too. Not everyone was raised the same way and not everyone deals with sexual issues the same way either. .........Lets suppose a gay couple didn't kiss,, would they still be allowed in your home NO as I have said I dont want homosexuality thrown in my face. Just knowing they are homosexual is enough for me. ..........The part I don't get,, you have so many restrictions I have one restriction....same sex relationships need to be kept outside of my home. I knoiw that sounds bad but I do not need it threw in my face. ........Yet you can write about your sexually issues in these forum for all to see Yes I can and did ask a question in my thread. I dont care who reads it. If I did, I wouldnt have posted it. I think my husband read it too. For some unknown reason he changed his mind about toys. maybe it was due to the responses in the forum ..who knows. Either way, I dont need the thread anymore since problem has been resolved at his doing.. not mine. by the way, thanks for all who responded to my thread. Today is my husband's birthday and I have to go shopping for him. I will not be here to respond to the rest of the postings. I should have went shopping already but oh well. Todays the day. ms micki I cant do anything to change how I feel just like they cant do anything about being homosexual. telling me to change would be the same thing as if I asked them to change. No one should have to change for anyone else. People need to post with a little bit of understanding that we each handle things in a different way. poster below me try to understand.......the lesbian is not my daughters lover. if she was then situation would change. to me there is huge differece between a gay friend and a gay lover.

kittenhere

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Msg: 486 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 6:51:29 AM
What a homophobic bigot you are If you see me as a bigot then I guess I must be one atleast in your eyes. and thats ok if thats how you see me. It will not change how I feel on the subject. If it makes you feel better, I do not want my grown daughter kissing her own husband in front of me. they can take it home. it is disrespectful. My mother didnt like it either. I never kissed my husband in front of my parents except for the kiss when we married. I guess im old fashioned becuase things have changed from what they use to be. dignity is gone, respect is gone, morals are gone and alot of good values are just gone for most people these days. It's ok for homosexuals to love one another but I dont want it in my face. My now husband feels same way I do. He will not kiss me in front of anyone. It's either private or not at all. If you want to know what bigotry is .......it is a person who is intolerant of anothers belifes or opinions. This seems to fit all of you who are calling me a bigot becuase you are intolerant of my opinion or beliefs. yes ms micki her better half not my better half. I cannot help how I feel about same sex relationships but I can tell you that I will not put my feelings aside for anyone....and I don't expect them to put their feelings aside for me either. therefore whatever is to be will be.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 483 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/17/2009 5:14:13 AM
why would you want to be involved inside thier bedroom I don't want to be involved in their bedroom stuff. This is why the ones who are attacking me are attacking me..This is what I have been saying, I would want their sexual side left at their home not mine. ms micki seems to think I can control how I feel about homosexuality and I cannot. She can tell me all day long how I should feel and that my feelings are wrong but its not for her to say or tell me how I should feel. She is wrong. My daugher would be welcome in my home always but I would want her better half to stay at her home. I cant help how I feel just the same as a homosexual cannot help being homosexual. No one has the right to tell me how I should feel about homesexuality or anything else. It's just not their place to do so.

kittenhere

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Msg: 478 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 6:59:57 PM
opie read my last post. Your answer is there. I have said what to do if I was in that kind of situation. It doesnt matter if a parent does or does not like homosexuality. All problmes can be worked out one way or another as I have stated and gave an example in my previous post. It is not my fault that I cannot deal with homosexuality just like its not their fault that they are homosexual. But you know , given the situation with my ex, these are all his kids so i might be very well facing this situation in my future. but as of now it is not showing itself... meaning the homo side is not showing at this time.

kittenhere

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Msg: 474 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 6:22:31 PM
ms micki,Thankfully none of my children that im aware of are gay. Therefore this is a bridge I will never have to cross. The only thing I would ask is that the relationship is not threw in my face and I would assume my child would respect my feelings toward the situation to do as I asked. They can spend christmas together every year. But then , on the other hand, if my childs lover knew that I didnt like that kind of stuff I would assume she woulndt want to come to my home anyway. Possibly they will come to some sort of agreement that my child comes to my home Christmas eve and they spend Christmas day togehter . My husband and I yrs into the marriage decided to split for christmas. we would have our own christmas at home with the kids then for Christmas day he would go to his families in la and I would go to my mothers in mississippi. There is always a way to work out any problem in any given situation. ms micki post 447 You might find your kid spending Christmas with her partner's family If that is what she chooses to do thats her choice. I cannot change that. ms micki in a situation of the subject at hand here, there is no way for all to be happy unless an agreement was made between the lovers on what to do that is acceptable for all involved. Kinda like what me and my ex done in my post above. otherwise, either the parent or the child would be unhappy . I dont think its fair for either to be unahppy or go against what they belive or dont bleive in.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 470 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 5:55:02 PM
Everyone wants their children happy no matter how their happiness comes about. . I realize that whats normal or feels right for the heterosexual, which is man and woman, is about the same thing for homosexuals. To them, man and man or woman and woman is normal for them and feels right to them. Im aware of this. But not all parents have an easy time with the homosexuality of their children but It does not mean we dont love them or want them to be happy in their life. I agree with notnow on the adoption thing. I would be filled with joy if my children adopted a child. That child would get so much love from me. I have a huge heart for children who are up for adoption. Adoption is someting Im all for. Childern need a secure home and family even if its not the natural parents.

kittenhere

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Msg: 69 (view)

why am i still arguing with my father 4 years after we buried him ? Posted: 1/16/2009 2:21:31 PM
but i'm now ready to face the issue and finally talk about it ! Im glad you decided to face this issue you have with your father. That is the only way you can heal on the inside. Saying what you need to say will give you the peace you are looking for and need. Its normal to be angry but to hold a grudge for yrs and yrs only hurts you. Sounds like you have been hurt enough. best wishes to you and yours.

kittenhere

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Msg: 464 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 1:16:08 PM
...........Go make your own thread about how YOU think its wrong to have a gay childs lover in your home I have said I dont want that type thing shoved in my face. I see nothing wrong with that. I cannot help my feelings about things like that just the same as they cant help their feelings. Everyone is entitled to their feelings. have a nice day opie.

kittenhere

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Msg: 460 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 9:56:18 AM
You crossed a major line with me .........telling me I am a black spirit in your last post to calling a truce Ms kirota you may consider this a last insult post from me to you Im pleased to know I crossed a major line with you..you deserve it. All I can say to you is, ms kirota, if the shoe fits wear it. You are one I will never ever ever in my life apologize to for anyting I have ever said to you becuase of the horrible , rotten, low down, unforgivable things you siad to me concerning my deceast ex-husband....even the devil himself would not have said. my truce is to not further make rude comments to anyone else in this forum. I dont like you and I am aware that the feelings are mutual. So if you are expecting an apology from me well you, ms kirota, can want in one hand and shit in the other and see which feels the fastest. How about we leave it at that. You dont respond to me anymore unless you have something decent to say and I will do the same for you. bye bye now. As I said above it does not mean we have to like each other but we do need to quit bashing. Post 464 and ms kirota in case you cant read I also said this was the last insult from me to you. rdcnorm, I never turned my back on my ex husband. I was there to help him every step of the way after our divorce. so you dont know what your talking about. sadly, my help was not enough.

kittenhere

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Msg: 458 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 9:31:11 AM
complete man, I dont remember saying that but if I did it was because of something you siad concerning it that did not set well with me. However, I apologize to you if I said something that you didnt say. there is a possiblility that I misunderstood or confused something that was said with somone else's post. who knows. But I apologize for anything that I claimed you said that you didnt say. Seems there is way too much misunderstanding and twisting of ones words in these forums. But agian, my sincere apologies to you. Now I have to go get some housewrok done. Catch you all later PS. everyone needs to quit with the insults and harrassments becuase it solves absolutely nothing. And in case your wondering ....yes, The term,"everyone", includes me. It's time to make peace with each other. The people in this forum do not have to like one another or agree with each other but we also dont have to try to insult or degrade each other either. It's time to call it quits. You all have a nice day and be safe. Happy fishing...that is, if there is any fishing going on after all the harrassment and insults. Quazi, thank you for having some understanding about my situation and trying to see where I was coming from.

kittenhere

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Msg: 453 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 8:36:09 AM
RDCNORM, Your next on my shit list. First you siad, "my husband should have left me yrs ago for lack of bj's." ..........Then you said , "You can't break the bond of love over something as ridiculous as a sexual preference So does this also apply when a bj is the sexual preference????????? He didnt leave me becuase of a bj becuase he loved me not what I could or couldnt do for him. This was called a "bond" and "Love" between me and him. you know rdcnorm you have alot of gall to criticize someone else. Instead you should take a long hard look at yourself. You need to think twice about claiming im not consistant in my posts. You have badly contradicted yourself and I have posted it above to proove it. So the next time you think your better than somene else......you better think again. I would also like to say that the bond my husband and I had was never broken. We had a very strong bond between us even after our divorce. Ms kirota you better go back and re read your posts. If you are claiming you did not say these things you are full of shit. And when i have the time im gonna go get the posts where you said them. then and only then can you call me a liar if i dont find them and not a minute before.

kittenhere

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Msg: 449 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 8:09:32 AM
.........I don't ever say I hate anyone......... You do not have to say it. It shows in your actions and words. You can lie to anyone but you ms kirota cannot lie to God becuase he already knows your dark side. ..........so I guess who's heart is harder Well lets see ...you have accused me of killing my ex. You wished death upon peope who do not like or understand the homosexual lifestyle You constantly criticize people without a cuase The list goes on and on..........so to answer you question I would say I was the better person. ............because using God as a way to insult someone when you say you are not religious I fully belive in God and I have always said that. I do not go to church becuase I have my own beliefs. I do not have a "given" religion. I have my own. Im not using God to insult you. Im trying to tell you that you are gonna pay for your ice cold heart. If you dont bleive it, just sit back and watch ......something awful is gonna happen to you in ur life. I can guarantee it. God lets no one go unpunished expecially when they are as cruel as you have shown yourself to be. I can see why you are single and have been for yrs. When you are mad at someone you say some of the most horrible things. You have absoultely no control over your anger. The strange part is, there is no reason for your anger and outragesous behavior. You have tried to insult me over and over in many posts and I did not insult you back . But still, your mouth jsut never stops. Sometimes I read your posts and wonder if you are psychotic. You really have lost your sense of reality. Even if I have not spoken to you , you put me in your post when talking to someone else. You have some sort of kittenherephobia. You need to be put in your place. Sadly, it isn't me thats gonna do it.......God is.... and his punishment is way worse than anyting I could say or do to you. You, ms kirota, are what they call a black entity also known as the dark entity which means you are full of negativity and evil. .........Better to stay quiet and let people think you are dumb than to open your mouth and prove it Kirota this is great advice that you can use for yourself. And the sooner you get started the better off you will be. I think today would be a great day for you to start.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 444 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/16/2009 6:43:17 AM
It isn't any of my business to tell you about his wife.........but I can tell you he didn't condemn his wife and humiliate her to the point she killed herself... kirota, you have no right to say such a horrible thing. I did not humiliate my husband to make him committ suicide. How hard is it for to comprehend that he killed himslef due to depression. Our divorce may have been part of what caused his depression but people get divorced all the time and dont kill themself. He died a very tragic death sitting right next to me. I hate you kirota for you hard heart and I hope God teaches you a lesson. I will admit that I did not handle the situation the way I should have. but I cannot help how it made me feel. I had no control of my feelings. I had more feelings running through my body than the law allows. I fully regret how I handled things mainly becuase I had no clue how to handle it since I had not dealt with this kind of situation before. But regarless, He and I still loved each other and remained best friends. Most relationslhips out there today do not have the kind of bond my ex husband and I did. As far as hate, you dont have to say it at all.......it shows in your actions and with the words that come out of your mouth and God will not let you go unpunished. Kirota in case you can't read, I ahve already siad I read everyting online I could find, I including reading books, going to marriage counselor, internet so I dont need to read anymore on that suject. Its funny how you mention Quazi putting words in my mouth when its what you and others have done to me. The difference between you and her is that she has a heart and understands some of what I have been through and You dont. She understands how I must have felt and you on the other hand could give a shit less. You kirota are way to busy trying to critize me instead of using your brain and seeing the situation for how it was. You know right at this moment I wouldnt be a bit surprised if God hated you as well. Unfortunately, he hates no one. But he does get revenge. I have seen it many times in my life. Accusing someone of killing someone they loved when they are suffereing enough already well, God is not gonna let you get away with. God disapproves of such cruelty and i bleive you are gonna eat all those horrible words you spoke in your future.

kittenhere

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Msg: 425 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/15/2009 3:41:36 PM
...........I also wish that some people would stop calling others dumb when they can't spell or put a sentence together properly Is that all you had or could come up with to try an insult me. what a joke. ..........And that apparently Hot Wheels are NOT boy toys. What the f*ck is then?! Another poster who misunderstood what was said. Hot wheels are boy toys. . It funny how other posters can say something and suddently im accused of saying it. You see someone else siad so you wouldnt buy hotwheels for your daughter or something and I siad no I wouldnt becuase they ARE boy toys. so you have misunderstood what you read. It was not that exact phrase but something similiar. Yes gays have the right to speak out if they choose to. never said they didnt. ...........Let me suggest to you why some wars were important,, shall we start way back when we won our independence How about since it is not the topioc we just dont discuss it at all. You may not hate veterans,, but you sure could muster up a little more respect.. I have pleanty of respect the problem is someone brought this subject up strickly in order to argue with me since they had nothing better to say on the REAL subject of this thread. war is not the subject here. To go from gay people to war is a hell of a stretch. Not to be mean but was is for antoher thread not this one. Poster below me,, you're a good man.

kittenhere

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Msg: 422 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/15/2009 1:35:53 PM
The wars of the world have absoultely nothing to do with this thread. You are wasting your breathe on that one. It is funny how when people have nothing further to say they say really dumb stuff. By the way if they were given a choice they would have turned and went home instead of fighting for the country. You see they are MADE to do this by the president. Its sad very very sad and I dont care to discuss this stupid war shit anymore. and before anyone comes back with something stupid like I hate veterans well I dont. my own father fought in wars. I just dont see how war has any revelance in this thread. start a new thread of wars if thats what you want to discuss.

kittenhere

Joined: 10/22/2008

Msg: 417 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/15/2009 12:47:27 PM
complete man, rdcnorm, ms micki, and opie I have some wise words of wisdom I would like to share with you DONT TRY TO TALK THE TALK UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED THE WALK. That is wisdom all 4 of you can use throughout life. I can talk the talk becuase I have walked the walk. And for those of you including opie wioth her little post below I have never said I would hate or disown my child for who my child felt they was. Its funny how you keep throwing this line in my face that I have never said. If you cant understand how he hid who he was for so long beucase that was wrong of him to do then how come its wrong for me to stop walking the walk. I think it was time he was allowed to be who he was....dont you? Opie I made it good already when I said dont talk the talk until u have walked the walk. That pretty much says it all.

kittenhere

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Msg: 411 (view)

how would you react if your son /daughter told you they where gay Posted: 1/15/2009 11:08:49 AM
There is NO Judgement in LOVE! rdcnorm and complete man, how is is that you feel you would not live without a bj yet expect my ex husband to live without the sex he needed in order to be happy. Do you think he didnt deserve to be have what he needed sexually...but you can?? these words you and opie and ms micki and complete man need to take notice of. why dont the 4 of you live without the sexual acts that you need for 16 yrs than come back and tell me agian what your feelings are on if i should have divorced him or not. enough said. You do not have to be married to someone in order to love them. So to say taht becuase I divorced him that means I didnt love him is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I love my kids, I loved my mother, I love my brother but am not married to any of them. You could also say, I loved my ex enough to let him go be who he needed to be.

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