How is that a lie? I'm stating an opinion how I think you view women and especially single mothers.

You go out of your way to stress we are not worth dating.

You might not call us cum-dumpsters as some have or the bottom of the barrel but ur posts are just as insulting.

JUST BECAUSE A WOMAN HAS A CHILD DOESN'T MEAN SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SELF-WORTH.

There are many legitimate reasons not to date single mothers because well we do have a shortage of time and sometimes drama but you go out of ur way to express reasons why a man shouldn't date a single mom which is what you do.

Which is fine if thats how you want to spend ur time.

Like you have to warn every man about the horrible single mothers that are out to get you. Please its getting old.

I respect any good mother. Motherhood is a beautiful thing its not a negative thing regardless if your married or single. Being a mother is the most amazing thing I've ever done with my life period. But it does not mean I don't have any worth as a woman just because I have a child.

You have never said anything positive about single mothers well excluding ur mother I wonder how ur mother would feel reading what you post.

Just ur posts are always the same... that single mother's are not worth time, are not worth wipping ur feet on. That's ur opinion we get it.

Just from reading ur previous posts I feel like you have a huge amount of distain for single mothers.

You told the guy not to waist his time with the single mom just because she is a single mom. You know nothing about her except for that fact.

You could have told him to be cautionary which would have been good advice.

hannity. You have so little regard for women as a whole. Do you even like women? Honestly I have my doubts that you even like women, or enjoy women but rather just see women as a means to an end.

I'm a single mom and my new bf thinks I'm amazing. Maybe he wasn't looking to get involved with a single mother but I had a lot of the traits he was looking for.

Just don't make her empty promises and pretend to be something your not.

Oh and ignore all of hannity's so-called opinion.

He has an unhealthy amount of distain for single mothers.

I actually doubt he's ever had anything nice to say about women.

Packagedeal wrote about hannity:
What a douche.

I've been asked out by a stunningly beautiful, cool and funny woman of the same age (26)

I wouldn't normally think about it for a minute but I've had to stop and consider it due to her circumstances.

I'm not of the school of thought that would condemn anyone for having a child out of wedlock, especially in this case whereby she had a scumbag wimp who legged it, so that's not an issue at all. In a way I find her strength of character, bravery and morality all the more attractive. She's a fierce woman who fights for the ones she loves, which is the kind of woman I like.

What I'm wondering about is the differences between dating the average twenty-something foot loose and fancy free woman and a dating woman who has such a massive commitment in her life

In an ideal world a couple will become infatuated with each other long before they have children, and having those children together will bring them even closer.

She openly told me that she wanted a man who would adore her totally, a perfectly reasonable request if you ask me, but I worry that I wouldn't receive the same back and that there wouldn't be any 'honeymoon' period.

Would I be better leaving her to find a single father whose life is in the same place?

I admit it...I was careless when I was young & had a child with a man who refused to have anything to do with him. Should I have given up on having another child just because the loser who gave me my terrific 1st son doesn't want to father another one just so the boys have the same absent father???

My youngest son's dad has been a friend of mine since we were 13 years old...HE at least is around and being a good & responsible father...and our son is wonderful...should I have been denied the chance at this wonderful child just because his father isn't the same as his brother's?

Walk a day in the shoes of a single mother to understand what real love is.

Gosh what a jerk you are

I'm starting to wonder if at some point in your life you have been burned...and possibly by someone with kids?

Where do people like you begin to get off saying things like "becoming finacially liable for a child that is not biologically yours because of acknowledgment or else they probably wouldnt go along with it"

So now am I just not adequate enough to date another man with or without children just because i have children of my own?

So, my dear, it is people like YOU who make women hate men.

You could one day find your soul mate who already has children and one day you may be helping her regardless of the cost, simply because you LOVE HER.

I am a single mama...and as hard as it is (was, hopefully) hard for me to find someone to accept the fact that I have 2 children

I would not want to date a single father.

and I think its too much for my kids to absorb

I don't want any step-kids because I have been down that road before

....call me a hypocrite because I am a single mom and can't expect only single men to be interested in me

but it is what it is....

Personally for me, being a single mother, the draw back of dating a single father is being on the other end of any custody/visitation etc etc disputes/battles, as mine is getting ugly, i dont' want to get envolved in any potential issues on the other end too. So less potential for drama

I prefer men without children simply because I find they have more time and are available to go out and do things. I can't stand it when they use their child as an excuse not to go out.

A person I work with has done this. Both of her sons now have last names hyphenated with the last name of her new husband. Their biological fathers had no say in that case as she had sole custody, but what would you say when faced with the same situation?

I have a friend who dated a single mom; he got to the point of wanting to have a serious relationship with her, became fast friends with her kids... and then the pressure started from his buddies and his mom.

"She'll take you for every cent you're worth! She's doesn't want you she wants an insta-daddy... free ride... you'll regret it... golddigger.. you deserve better" and so on. Most of them had never met her, but they based it SOLELY on the fact that she had children.He caved to the pressure and told her flat out he was ending it because of the above reasons.

That's not to say that they are to blame obviously, but if she was childless they would most likely have congratulated both of them and wished them well.

Over and over, just to get the same respect that anyone else would have been granted automatically.

It's a shame too, my friend is in love with her.

Most single moms that I know are looking for a guy without kids. Single moms have enough to deal with raising thier own kids they dont want to raise another woman's kids too. They are looking to date a man who will make thier lives easier not more difficult.

As a single parent, having dated men with children and men without, it is far easier to date men without children.

trust me that single parents dating other single parents is not nearly as romantic as it sounds! but i am not discounting the fact that i chose the WRONG single parent for me.

Why is it not okay/"politically correct" to be upfront with someone and say that, for whatever reason, you just don't want/feel able/ready to be with someone with children?

Seems to me that if you are upfront from the beginning about the existence of your children,, then why are they even trying to pursue a relationship if they know that isn't what they want? That''s a little perplexing to me!

Who says it's that he didn't want a relationship with a woman with children? I read it to mean the children in question are the reason he's moving on, not because the woman is a single mother.

a man who genuinely LIKES children would be a far better mate candidate than one who merely tolerates for the sake of basking in the glory of my presence (LOL).

If she was married when she had her kids thats better, men tend to respect them more than the unmarried baby mommas. They should judge her on what the circumstances of her divorce were and how she treats her ex. Like if she allows him to see his kid often and whether or not she is gold digging off him. If she is an independant woman with a dad for her kids and doesnt need a new one and isnt looking for a meal ticket and keeps up her looks then she should have no problems getting a man.

In the cases where a child is growing up fatherless because he or she was born out of wedlock, some men may view it as admirable that the woman took on the pregnancy and child rearing all by herself. Other men might think that the woman was selfish to bring a child into the world before she was married to the child's father.

If you know anything about lion prides the lioness does all the work. If it weren't for her all would starve. So be careful of you anlogies Hannity.

OP - I put this post out there fully expecting closed minds, open minds, and somewhere in between. I respect all opinions, as I expect others to respect mine. I don't always have to agree with what is said.

OP - For those who have offered actual insight and not shoved negativity or cruelty down my throat, I am grateful.

I have been fortunate that the men i have been involved with have been big enough men to not feel threataned or insecure around a child.

Single mothers, like anyone else, can have whatever preferences they choose to, including not wanting to take on someone elses kids.

i do mind if they have crazy ex drama, as i do not.

I have no problem meeting good men that are childless.

OP ... It is hard to understand how people can just "walk out of" kid's lives, but I'm sure people do have their reasons.

Matt's dad has never wanted anything to do with him, which is sad for him but thankfully he is a very grounded boy, exceptionally well behaved, heart of gold and incredibly bright, Í'm proud to call myself his mother.

What I dont understand is this during the ten years i've had matt i have had two relationships one for 4 1/2 years and the other for 3 1/2 years. Both partners took an active part in matthews life and treated him well and were very good father figures. As soon as the relationships are over though, they blot matt out of their lives too.

This time round matt has taken it to heart, he asks why nick hasnt bothered to call him or visit him and how can someone be like this?

I can only be there for him and its heartbreaking. The question is how can someone who has played such am active part do this to a child they professed to love? And if you shouldnt introduce your kids to new partners, just how long do you have to be with someone before you introduce them to your child.

I'm 30 now and for the first time, i'm wavering as to whether to ever take things further again with someone which is sad for me but a necessary step to save my child from being hurt.

Has anyone else been in this situation? Did I just get involved with uncaring people? Guys what do you think?

lilDimple -
I'm a single mom. I hestitate dating a man with kids only because of this... A single guy coming into the family at some point is still going to cause issues and adjustments for my kids. (I know this, after my divorce I was with a guy for a ltr.) You have to make sure the kids are ok, accept the new person, etc.

vickvick -
I know it's so hypocritical, but I would just rather date a man with no children. I personally don't have any drama with my child's father and refuse to deal with any drama he may have with his child's mother. To avoid that all together, I usually don't date them.

Like the fact that if you want a family in the future, you get a sneek peek if this women will be a good mom, you get to see how hard she works for her family, you get to see how hard she works to keep herself healthy, as well...She may have a loving caring heart...

You guys must have some very deep seeded reaons for asking these questions of single Mom's.

THE ONLY REASON men ask these type of questions is to lesson the guilt for stealing the "pootie" and having sex with a single Mom, as another poster put it.

It is like you guys are asking permission to have sex and use single Mom's as a spare booty call with a permission card to lead her on...but not commit to a relationship.

This is what I hate..I can't stand reading post after post from men looking for validation for treating other people like garbage.

....and men wonder why the courts have started to create and enforce laws like loco parental support in Canada....you have taught people how to treat you with the worst consequences...brought on by the worst examples that some of you guys have demonstrated....

I mean not everyone wants to be in a relationship when someone's got kids by someone else, personally I wouldn't care and I'd raise them as if they were my own. It shouldn't care if you really love someone.

you just have to find the right one and if someones not willing to commit because of your kids, then their not really worth it.

I thought I would show some love to you guys

I know for a fact that some men will - my ex left me for a woman with three kids.

If ya don't prefer a single Mom as a possible dating perspective....simple...don't date us!

....Stop trying to boost your own fragile ego by demeaning the catagory of single mothers in order to make yourself feel like a alpha male. It is really pathetic..get over yourself already.....

BTW....why did you start this thread again?.....is the "ego" tank running low?

Men who choose not to date a single mom might miss out on meeting the woman of their dreams....

What if she doesn't NEED you but WANTS you there?

Especially if the father is involved in the kids' lives.

Then all you have to do is love the mom.

If you love a woman is that not enough of a "benefit"?

I simply meant that by limiting your options you're missing out on a whole slue of women that are just as "good" as a woman without kids...

To me men saying they won't date a single mom is saying she's "not good enough" to date you or that she's "damaged goods." Sorry guys, those days are done.

I'm not saying single moms are "better" than non-moms. Just that you could be missing out on that "special someone" by limiting yourself so much.

Are you saying you wouldn't date a woman who's a widow due to her husband dying while serving in the military in a war zone? She didn't ask to be a single mom. The kids didn't ask for their daddy to be KILLED. Or what if the "father" turned abusive? Sometimes this happens YEARS into the marriage. IF she left to save her kids and herself, is she still "unworthy" of your time?

You're pretty shallow if you won't even talk to a single mom and find out WHY she is a single mom. You are NOT open minded. Being open minded means to NOT judge people for their past, understand that $HIT HAPPENS and to realize that we don't ASK for some of the shit that happens to us!!

"One thing any man that would date me would have to understand is that even though my ex husband and i aren't together, we are still a family"

What's the difference? That the kids aren't YOURS???

THAT is selfish! Yes, the child(ren) are a big part of her life, but you're dating the WOMAN. Not her KIDS. Yes, you have to accept the children as well as her.

Are you saying you wouldn't date a woman who's a widow due to her husband dying while serving in the military in a war zone? She didn't ask to be a single mom. The kids didn't ask for their daddy to be KILLED. Or what if the "father" turned abusive?

You're pretty shallow if you won't even talk to a single mom and find out WHY she is a single mom. You are NOT open minded.

Being open minded means to NOT judge people for their past,

understand that $HIT HAPPENS and to realize that we don't ASK for some of the shit that happens to us!!

It's more that single guys with no kids ARE generally kids.

I didn't love him or really even like him all that much while we dated...which was approximately mmmm a month or so maybe 2

So yeah. No bond. I will however always have a bond with her adoptive father. So I can see HOW men can think this but it is not always the case. Maybe that was why I was able to find someone so easily. Yes I had a child but absolutely no contact or "bond"with the man...who knows. I am a firm believer that if you can't find someone then it is YOU not because of having a kid. Blaming your lack of dates on your child is just an excuse....your kids aren't going on dates with these people are they? You are!

I will have to disagree with always having a bond with the bio father.

HANNITY shut up already, you are only making yourself sound stupid and making your opinion not want to be heard because of your delivery.

Her bio-dad is in her life because he has asked to be, and i made the choice to give it a go. He did sign off his rights, legally. She calls him by his name, not "DAD", DAD wwas and is the title reserved for my husband.
My husband died, My son doesnt feel left out. In his world, daddy exists in the photo album and in the cemetery.
The only thing that is tough on my innocent children is the loss of my husband.

Yet my daughter knows she was adopted by my husband (her little brothers father), and my son knows that "that guy" that picks uo my daughter on occasion for an outing is not HIS father.

Ummmmm first off Hannity I never said he is "taking on" my children because he is being nice to my kids, second off poor unfortunate soul??? why, because he is dating a woman with children or because he is understanding, and responsible guy with a lot of integrity?????

Don't change my words around so you can have something else to argue about because your arguments are NULL and VOID not because you don't have kids, but because your way of thinking is cruel and judgemental.

Are you saying people without children don't know what they are doing or feeling??? or maybe it is just you that doesn't know what they are doing or feeling??

What do people expect parents of these "so called half siblings" teach all of their children that are in their care? Do we teach a child they are only "half"...because bosox and future say that they are?

Try growing up in a family of three where we all had different fathers. I dont think woman just go out there and say hey I think I want three babys daddys today.

I have one son. I had him at a young age. His father wasnt a very good guy. So to me what is wrong with wanting a normal life and starting over with someone else. I want more then one kid. I see nothing wrong with it at all. To me im trying to find my partiner in life and I do not feel haveing a kid with a different person is something to be embaressed about.

Everyone has there life not to be judged upon whats importent is how you carry yourself and your family other then that its all just mumbo jumbo if ya ask me.

My current boyfriend does not have kids and he is the most understanding, responsible guy with a lot of integrity. He plays with my kids, because he genuinly likes kids, nothing to do with whether he has them or not.

I agree. Watching a man with his children really says a lot about the man.

^^^^^^It's funny how the phrases "I am open minded" and "I would rather... than ever date a girl who has children" are used in the same sentence. Seems like you are contradicting yourself.

"Someone who has an open mind is receptive to new ideas or information."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_minded

Sounds to me like you are closed minded.

The only real difference between single women with children and single women without children is the children.

well don't complain if u over look a woman simply because she is a mother. Yes it is much harder to date a single mom/dad because we have other priorities, less flexibility and have to cancel plans.

And m_church u are implying that I'm less of a woman now that I had my child. I'm still hard working, motivated, social activist, opinionated, independent, carrying, charitable individual I was before my daughter I'm just mommy now too.

But the OP is still saying there is "a difference between half and whole." I'm still not getting what he means by that. And right now I think it's just a personal bias because there's nothing factually different about a child with a different dad in relation to his siblings or his legal and step-parents. Are we talking about child-rearing or family makeup, or what? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE in reality??