I was under the impression that, like ore purified by fire, that evil is consumed by that lake of fire, leaving behind the goodness of each soul behind, to be redeemed by God.

Since God is good, and He creates all souls, wouldn't they all return to Him?

@artandsoul

if arrogance = inferiority complex then how can arrogange = alpha male trait?

wouldn't arrogance play a key role in survival of the fittest?

So then which is it? Is arrogance just a signal to an underlying Inferiority complex or is a fragile ego a desirable trait?

"Someone mentioned that there is a stat telling you when a person has been active here."

Only shows on forum posts under a user's avatar.

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It was another one of those stats that was tried, then taken off profiles due to it's misinterperatation.

it is a good idea for a test i suppose.

Although who cares if men put up their response rates to emails? Only non popular women would want to put up their response rates. The whole email thing is very tricky, the best way to combat it is to give people very specific matches.

They call it a lot of things – White Power Rock, Oi!, Hatecore, Volk Music. There is even something called White Power Country and Western. But it all has something in common – it is today perhaps the most important tool of the international neo-Nazi movement to gain revenue and new recruits. And those recruits are in turn inspired by this music to engage in acts of racist violence.

The most popular form of such music is a variety of heavy metal accompanied by lyrics which repeat slogans of white Aryan Supremacy, glorify racial violence and Nazism, and call for various forms of "White revolution" and murder.

The Nazi music business has grown throughout the 90s, thanks largely to the internet and the ability it gives skinheads and other neo-Nazi groups to set up internet businesses to sell this music, and the organisational advantages it gives to them in avoiding the racial hatred laws that they frequently breach....

Many people are unaware of the direct connection between music and the growth of the neo-Nazi skinhead movement in the 1970s.The skinhead movement is actually the **stard child of British musical counter-culture mated with soccer hooliganism. Despite a brief skinhead counter-culture in the late sixties, the skinhead "movement" really took off on the back of the punk music revolution in Britain from 1976 onwards.

The skinhead movement was originally tied up with a an offshoot of British punk called "Oi!" music. This was punk music which was influenced to some extent by Reggae and Ska type music, but also sought to be explicitly an expression of the British working class. Certain Oi! bands developed an extensive skinhead following which they were unable to shake even when they desired to do so, especially SHAM ’69, the Angelic Upstarts and the****ey Rejects. Skinheads began appearing at their concerts shouting fascist slogans and starting fights with the non-skinhead punks in the audience. The Oi! movement as a whole, though mostly non-racist, rejected criticism of their racist followers because this was seen as interference by the outside "middle-class establishment." Overtly skinhead Oi! bands such as the 4skins began to appear.

In the late 70s, the Rock against Racism initiative in Britain succeeded in uniting most of the punk movement against the skinhead fringe and against Britain’s National Front, a rapidly growing neo-Nazi political party. As more and more Oi! concerts increasingly led to violent skinhead attacks and riots in the early 1980s, police began to shut down Oi! Concerts and record companies refused to produce new Oi! records.

The National Front responded in the early 1980s by attempting to harness skinhead music for their own purposes. They started their own record company, White Noise Records, and published a series of magazines devoted to overtly racist music. They particularly championed the band "Skrewdriver", led by Ian Stuart Donaldson, a long-time NF activist convicted of a racist attack on an elderly black man. At the same time, racist music began to appear elsewhere as the skinhead movement spread to Germany, the US, and Scandanavia, as well as Australia. Certain alternative record companies in France and Germany began issuing racist records.

Ian Stuart Donaldson later led Skrewdriver and some other bands to split off and form Blood and Honour in 1987, as the National Front was collapsing. By the early 1990s, this had been taken over by Combat-18, a violent thuggish neo-Nazi fringe spinoff of the racist British National Party (the 18 refers to Adolf Hitler’s initials, the first and eighth letters of the alphabet.) After Donaldson’s death in a car accident in 1993, he became a martyr to the cause, and the name of the record division became ISD Records in his memory. Combat-18 successfully turned ISD Records into a major money spinner for the movement and eventually broke into using the internet as their key sales tool. Other racist groups saw the opportunity, and purveyors and producers of purely racist records quickly sprang up around the world, including Sweden’s Nordland Records and Resistance Records, founded in Detroit by a Canadian adherent of the World Church of the Creator, a violently racist pseudo-religion....

Today, there are literally dozens of websites available on the internet where one can buy white supremacist music, and the total number of different albums available in the various racist sub-genres is well in excess of 400.

With the internet, Nazi music is flourishing. In fact, it is probably the most successful part of the international skinhead movement, and clearly serves to provide financial support and recruitment to a variety of racist organisations around the world.....

However, in addition to creating vast e-commerce opportunities for neo-Nazis, the internet is also clearly creating a cooperative trans-national community which facilitates the spread of this sort of music, especially in the face of legal barriers....

The various Nazi bands compete with each other to be more violently offensive in their lyrics, while the vendors use the extremity of the lyrics as a selling point. Thus, for example, one site lauds "Barbecue in Rostock", an album by British Nazi band No Remorse, as "easily one of the most racist, violent, offensive White Power albums ever done." The site is not exaggerating. Not only does the album contain songs such as "Zigger! Zigger! Shoot those ****ing ni**ers", "Belsen was a Gas, Exterminate ya!" and "Zyklon B", but the very title of the album is about the worship of racist violence. It refers to a German city where neo-Nazi arsonists burned to death several asylum seekers in a refugee hostel in 1992, while the cover art of the album shows a skinhead spit-roasting a man with a large nose.

While that album is now several years old, contemporary productions are capable of being just as violent and offensive. For instance, the Combat-18 band Warhammer this year put out an album entitled "Valhalla’s Warriors" which contains songs such as "Die Jew Die" and "Hang ‘em all", referring to "Jews", "Ni**ers" and "Reds".

‘Parasites’ — Fortress (Aust.)

Get outta our country…

Let into this country, to play with drugs and crime
Hold the hands of them all, the’re never satisfied
People who oppose them, are promptly locked away
And those who thought they had a voice, no longer have a say


Get out! We don’t want you around
Get out! Want the people to shout
Get out! Get outta my sight
Get out! Parasites…Parasites…Parasites


Legends of Eureka, turn over in their graves
They can see what has happened to the Southern Cross today
Laws made to put us down, laws are made to keep us quiet
Jail all the racists who wanna keep this country white
Reject an alien government, don’t recognise their laws
It’s time to close the floodgates, it’s time to shut the door
Repatriate, ship ’em out, send the **stards back
If they don’t ****ing like it, it’ll be in body bags

Get out!...

One of the most worrying trends to develop in the international Nazi music scene is the takeover last year of the US company, Resistance records by the American neo-Nazi group, the National Alliance (NA). The National Alliance has been adjudged the "single most dangerous organised hate group in the United States today" by the American anti-racism body, the Anti-Defamation League. The NA is led by William Pierce, the author of two books, The Turner Diaries and Hunter which have probably done more than anything else to promote the current tendency toward acts of terrorism by extreme rightwingers internationally. For instance, these books influenced both the Oklahoma Bomber, Timothy McVeigh, and the London Nazi bomber, David Copeland.

The National Alliance, meanwhile is a growing organisation of over 1000 individuals in 26 states across the US, generally well-disciplined, and includes both skinheads and more "respectable" and older racists. Like many white supremacists, it seeks to create "a racially clean area of the earth" for whites only, and believes that "Aryans" are naturally superior to other peoples. It’s program is consistent with The Turner Diaries, which is a novel that describes how groups of secret white supremacists cells successfully stage a revolution and then systematically exterminate all Blacks, Jews and other minorities.

The National Alliance, which has always been very adept at using technology to spread its message, has made Resistance Records into the giant of the international Nazi music market, especially, after the takeover of Swedish competitor Nordland late last year. The company now has probably the most sophisticated websites in the international nazi music scene, has more than 250 titles for sale, and also publishes a glossy 64-page magazine, Resistance, which promotes both hate music and National Alliance ideology.

But perhaps most worrying is the revenue Resistance Records is clearly generating for the National Alliance. They are reportedly receiving an average of more than 50 orders a day averaging around $70 each. This is well in excess of US$1 million per annum, the vast majority of which is profit which can go into the National Alliance coffers to promote the organisation’s plans for racist revolution.....

The time has come for governments, including Australia, to consider new policy responses to the problem of the developing trans-national neo-Nazi movement, and especially their music scene. If this large and largely illegal industry can be curtailed, so can the neo-Nazi movement and all the racist violence it brings with it.

Why does POF disallow profanity

In practice?

Not when used in context, only when the intent to offend is blatant and in violation of decorum.

If this site's policies aren't up to any users standards, the door is just two clicks away.

"Suppose Paul Martin came out and said "what the **** are you doing in Iraq anyway, George?"

My faith would be restored in Canadian politics, I would applaud. I wouldn't see the use of "what the ****" in this context, as being gratuitous, ...I would see it as an honest expression of incredulity.

Just as you are offended by the dreck offered up by pop culture shills, I am just as offended at this dreck being used as a vehicle to drive misguided placing of blame, which to me; seeks to absolve by degree: accountability and responsibility in those who are at the point of root causality of the problem.

"cavorting about with angels and such while you roasted in the flames below."

I have another modest proposal in this same vein, a reverse logic implementation of sorts on the original idea. What if this were something for which an account holder could 'opt in'? A gold star of sorts that one, if one wished, could put in their profile (and for which a POF 'bot could vouch) showing they have a very low 'unread/deleted' history? Something to which they could point and say, "See, it doesn't take a Coast Gaurd cutter to break the ice with me"?

"It's interesting that you can post the "F" word here when most of us can't even say "dam*"! Ah, the power of "moderation"!"


Nope

The power of "edit". (it's to the left, right under your avatar)

Here is a little tid bit i cut and pasted . I dont know the vadality of it. So if there are errors please correct

"CAMEO chooses to be an organization with a touch of class. The popular music industry survived quite well for many years without foul language. We too will survive and prosper without it".

It's not just about gratuitous violence, ideas. It's about the mentality that some feel they are the arbiters of "class". Some believe it's not up to the artist to be allowed the distinction of honest expression over gratuitous, nor is it up to the observer.

A single word can kill? rape?

"I can read reincarnation into the Bible and you can read it right back out again."
Yes it is true, and it could also be said, the same the other way around. I am, by no means knocking what you believe. I'm simply stating how i take things.

I believe If reincarnation was taught in the bible. It would of been much more obvious. and I still stand on my belief. if it were so. Then there would be no need for the plan of salvation,which was so widely taught in scripures. and if there was no need for salvation then every thing that points to it in the bible is a lie, and if it's a lie then i might as well forget Christianity. It's just my opinion .

The problem is that each person had a first incarnation. That means that each person then had perfect Karma since he had no previous life and had done nothing wrong. Therefore, if he had perfect Karma and didn't learn or do what he was supposed to in his first life, then what makes him think that after hundreds of incarnations with accumulated bad karma that he will be able to achieve the perfect state of union with the divine consciousness that reincarnation moves him toward? It doesn't make any sense.

Also, reincarnation contradicts the Bible which presents Jesus with His miracles, fulfilled prophecies, resurrection, and so much more.

Reincarnation denies the Day of Judgment.

In Heb. 9:27 it says, "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment." This verse alone shows that reincarnation is not true.

And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man who had been blind from birth. And his disciples asked Him, saying, 'Master, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents. He was born blind that the works of God might be made manifest in him."
John 9: 1-3

Jesus has already told you, no man comes to the Father except by him, Jesus. How much simpler do you want it to be. It is very simple. One way, man, one way to God, that is through the Son, my lord and savior, the Jewish Messiah, and ours as well. Praise Jesus!

"And the disciples asked Him, 'Then why do the scribes say that first Elijah must come?' He replied, 'Elijah does come and he is to restore all things; but I tell you that Elijah has already come and they did not know him, but did to him as they pleased.... Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them of John the Baptist."
Matthew 17: 10-13

Christian`s are to have there whole self ressurected . The same body is restores in indistructable form. in the next age to come. Jesus was the first.

It's funny that many here compare going at a natural(fast) pace to the behavier of chinps , well chinps are the 2nd smartest animals on the planet , they share 98% of our DNA(just 4 protein differences in their genetic code) , infact they are so smart they can be taught sign language and hold complex conversations with us. But thats where the comparison ends , they dont have complex mating rituals , they just seek out a girl chimp display their strengh and in most cases they mate for life . There is no divorse and alamony or child support, a girl chimp does not leave because she is bored, the male chimp does not beat his mate.
A male chimp acheives status not based on his familly tree but on his ability as a protector,
hmmmmm maybe chimps arent the second smartest creatures on the planet , maybe we are.

Many women on the site will check out your profile before they read your letter, if your profile "sucks", has no picture etc they will NOT open your letter. They do this because many people email them demanding to know why they didn't get a response, and only a read deleted.

To exploit the faithful, to give false phophecy, and to do so knowingly. The worset wolves are the ones that hide amoung the sheep.

One thing that frustrates me about your OP is that it's completely vague, (the call for "positive" music, whatever that means).

The message of the Bible, there is one life, to be lived for God, search for God, do God's will, serve God, obey God. There is life to be lived, a final judgment, eternal rewards and punishments, and you will spend eternity in one of two places. It is impossible to say that both this message and that of reincarnation are both true. That is a contradiction.

From what I've observed around here, aggravation and frustration regarding this topic seem to be mostly self-inflicted. Many people manage to send mail, get no response, and move on without getting aggravated or frustrated.

Just curious in what way you had to deal with a persons moral values in regards to their "music" in your "music society"? That is what your OP boils down too, that your idea of what is right and good are just that, right and good. Anyone who disagrees is wrong and I must deal with them

I don't mean to personally attack you artandsoul, and I guess I thought you'd get that...

One day, BusyLady signs up at POF. She puts up a picture. In addition to being busy, she's also a good looking lady. We all know what that means - lots of emails from guys being... ummm... let's just say, less than polite.

Being new to the site, she's unfamiliar with the way other members like to engage in divination by interpreting things like how many favorite's lists she's on, or what unread/deleted means, or what percentage of her emails she answers. She foolishly makes the mistake not answering mails from men who have nothing better to say than "Nice rack", or "Wanna see my penis?"

Result - she gets a "low" rating.

Is it her fault that rude clowns keep emailing her? Should she have to answer and possibly encourage them just to keep her numbers high? Not to mention the potential for abuse if someone takes a dislike to you. All they have to do is keep emailing you, knowing you won't answer, and knowing you will get a lower rating because of it.

Or does she have to live with the low percentage for the rest of her profile days because she didn't understand the deeper meaning some people infer from all these silly numbers?

(And as evidenced by the exchange between you and Melly - people are going to have different ideas of whether a high or low number is a good thing. So what's the point?)

people, people, people ! much ado about little here, lets not lose site of the fact that it's a free site here, and a lot of analysis paralysis about sending out an initial paragraph at best, shouldn't be such a time consuming chore.

I may see the validity, perhaps on a pay site where one might want to save a couple of euros or two, but really is it such a death blow when they don't reply or send back a howdy doody - no thanks? on POF's nickle? You know the mantra - "Next"

You know the mantra - "Next"

Believe me Art when I say that I wasn't laughing at you/your beliefs .... patience is a virtue!

Melchizedek - Melchi (king) zadok (righteousness) Abraham met this king of righteousness in Canaan. Melchezidek was king of the city of Salem (peace)--Hebrew, shalom Arabic equivalent - salaam, Jerusalem - the foundation of peace. Who was this Melchizedek? Well, whoever he was Abraham paid tithe to him. Could this have been Jesus? Christian food for thought concerning reincarnation ....

Well, one thing I do know, is that you have no sense of humour.

Ok, wait

Before you start getting all pissed off and s.hit, i thought you wanted to have a forum where people go to complain.

I apologize.

No need to be rude to me, either....

Carry on.

LOL

an "I hate the world" thread

or "Nobody likes me..wwwaaaaaa" thread.

Funny :)

"Lord Jesus, give me patience! Where's the little praying man icon around here when you need it? "

I'm sorry Art , but this made me laugh so hard the tears were rolling down my face

Thank you for opening the thread so that I could make my views heard.

All I want is a specific acknowledgement of the stance I'VE made vis-a-vis to your arguement.

Scripture contradicts reincarnation, which is taken directly from Hindu and Buddhist philosophies. There is not one scripture that supports such a stupid notion as reincarnation.

Edgar Cayce in my opinion was not of God, although many claim so.

"Yeah Kevlar~~ Music makes the world go round"
Livewirehere

"sure does...it also incites mindless masses of youngsters to violence and reprehensible behavior that they would otherwise have never done!

Right AandS?"
JustJazz

"Only if they're mentally unstable to begin with... Like with anything>>>>"
Livewirehere

Too bad you can't acknowledge-- through your blinkered hysteria-- a similar recognition of what others have said about the bigger picture.

The thought of reincarnation would distract one from worshipping God.

Since it may lead to speculation about past lives and future lives, reincarnation is thus considered a risk of becoming a distraction from such wholehearted worship.

For it's the First Commandment, to worship only God.