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cpfstock

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Unemployment hits 10.2% Posted: 11/24/2009 9:23:28 PM
The stimulus money is there and until it is requested and sent it will remain unspent First the "money" is not there. Any money spent with be borrowed in the form more sales of U.S. Treasury notes. Odd you should bring up "requested". I recall the raking over the coals the previous administration took for the 3 days it took for the National Guard to be sent to New Orleans after Katrina. Funny how all those who critized it and still do to today never mention it took the governor of Louisanna 2 days to make the "request" for federal help. Her response when ask why she didn't make the request sooner, "I didn't know I had to do that."

cpfstock

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The New Jewish Lobby Posted: 11/22/2009 10:39:57 PM
according to Amnesty International: credibility of AI = 0

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BOO HOO WHAT CAN I DO?? Posted: 11/22/2009 10:34:54 PM
we need to organize to show those we put in office that we mean business OMG! you're becoming a teabagger

cpfstock

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Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform Posted: 11/22/2009 10:21:14 PM
I wonder if the OP was so concerned about openness and transparency of the previous administration ... ??? I wonder if that would have been of interest to anyone to open the meetings about the information on WMD's? Perhaps open the meetings where they decided it was okay to torture people (even though they knew it was illegal)? Where was the need for openness and transparency then? Let it go. It' over, done, finito! There's a new administration in place. Time to address their actions and quit crying over spilt milk. Besides, the actions of your concern were matters of national security. Health care legislation hardly rises to that level.

cpfstock

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Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform Posted: 11/20/2009 6:49:55 PM
It's Washington D.C. operating as usual. Nothing new here. The only question is not how much a state will get, but how much of the money gets routed back to the pocket of the legislator. See stimulus bill, tuna fish, and the speaker.

cpfstock

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Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be Posted: 11/20/2009 6:32:19 PM
Dasein, Your post was a tad unclear. I am making the assumption you are implying UHC is covered by "promote the general welfare" and gay-marriage is covered by the equal protection clause. If that's correct, please explain how either applies.

cpfstock

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Republicans vote against anti-rape amendment Posted: 11/20/2009 6:06:07 PM
So apparently arbitration worked in Ms. Barker's case.

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Lou Dobbs quit because of left wing hatred. Posted: 11/20/2009 5:38:06 PM
These right wingnut "ramblers" have no one to blame but themselves for the loss of followers. yeppers. that's why CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC ratings are so much higher than FOX. No wait I have that backwards. MSNBC is losing money so fast they're all but out of business.

cpfstock

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BOO HOO WHAT CAN I DO?? Posted: 11/20/2009 4:21:46 PM
I've done my part. I bought a new car. I've participated in the Fed's purchases of MBS. (Gotta love ole Ben) I've moved cash in Austrailian and Canadian dollars. Might be time to outright short the U.S. dollar. I've moved money out of stocks in U.S. based companies. I own gold. Not shares of gold stocks, but the real thing. I've invested 25K in an start-up company producing an early stroke detection application. Hopefully European approval will come in Feburary. I invested in a nat gas LLP to enhance domestic energy production. Early next year or 2nd quarter I'll go short on 7 - 30 year U.S. Treasuries. Frankly, I don't know what else I can do except encourage Obama to dump Christina (I don't have clue how the real world works) Romer and begin to adopt some fisically sound policies. Neither of which he seems willing or capable of doing.

cpfstock

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Obama Warns About Double Dip Recession Posted: 11/20/2009 4:36:48 AM
3.5% percent growth in the 3rd quarter. Sorry my man, didn't happen. The quarterly rise in GDP output (not growth) was due in large part to short-term stimulus programs which are no longer in effect. Private investment in residential real estate responded to incentives (8K tax credit) and added 0.53% to GDP growth. Motor vehicle output contributed 1.66% to GDP growth, accounting for nearly half (47%) of all economic growth in the quarter. For context, consider that the average contribution of vehicle output since 1980 has been an addition of 0.09% to average real GDP growth of 2.75%. We wanted economic growth, and the stimulus provided that growth. However, the point of Keynesian spending isn’t just one quarter of growth. The point of the government’s economic push is to “prime the pump,” to get the economic fires roaring sustainably by throwing on some lighter fluid. In order to call the stimulus efforts a success, we now need the multiplier effect to kick in. Companies that are benefiting from artificial demand need to respond by increasing hours worked and then hiring more workers, creating new jobs and stimulating natural demand for goods and services. Is that happening? The plunge in hours worked that began in 2008, a soft form of lost jobs, has not corrected itself as of the October reading (33.0 hours, tied for the record lowest reading), and new unemployment claims have remained stubbornly above the 500 thousand mark. The rate of job loss has slowed, but we are still losing jobs at a pace consistent with recessions, not recoveries. Third quarter corporate revenues and earnings are up quarter-to-quarter but down year-over-year, and bottom lines were helped by the trimming of headcounts and capital expenditures. Analyzing government data should be no different than analyzing corporate earnings, where exceptional one-time items are excluded. Notice the Cash For Clunkers spike in the middle of the quarter, and the subsequent reversion. Expect the decoupling of this relationship to end how most other decouplings end. GDP gains driven by personal consumption while incomes are falling, joblessness is rising, and credit availability is shrinking, just don’t pass the common sense test (see the 10.2% unemployment rate and the ghastly consumer credit figure, down $14.8 billion from last month and $125.8 billion from the peak in mid 2008). It’s impossible to deny that the GDP data from this quarter are better, at least relative to how bad things were earlier in the year. Without the multiplier effect of the stimulus kicking in, however, I believe the third quarter 2009 GDP data could look like an accounting extraordinary item, a one-time event that quality-of-earnings analysts would disregard. But you can believe what you want, YES YOU CAN!!

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Actress Heather Graham star of PoliticalAction Campaign Posted: 11/18/2009 3:03:12 PM
In other words, there was no bush stimulus bill. You're just confused I'm don't know if he was confused or not. What I do know is you're incorrect. In point of fact, the rebate checks during the Bush administration where expressly for the purpose of economic stimulus.

cpfstock

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Obama wants his war options changed Posted: 11/16/2009 11:06:23 AM
Going after the Taliban and "nation building" was not the goal when the NATO troops went in there. Actually it was.

cpfstock

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Any Coffee Addicts? Posted: 11/14/2009 3:36:01 PM
I didn't have my 4 cups, then I went through DT's (withdrawals). I had a headache Tylenol could not help. Exactly! If I ovesleep and miss my coffee the headache is unbearable.

cpfstock

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WHAT PERFUMES DO YOU GUYS GO GA GA FOR? Posted: 11/14/2009 3:32:01 PM
Bvlgari... It is great.

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Unemployment hits 10.2% Posted: 11/14/2009 3:27:53 PM
So what is your recommendation on creating employment? How many jobs will negativity create? As many as Yes We Can will! Christine Romer needs to go. And PDQ.

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Unemployment hits 10.2% Posted: 11/14/2009 3:16:56 PM
I think Krugmans qualifications are impeccable. He's just wrong a lot. He also warned in 2003 that the George Bush economic and foreign policies would eventually precipitate a major economic crisis. Except it wasn't the policies of the adminstration which precipitated the economic crisis. It was bad home loans which created a financial crisis which led in turn to economic problems. It wasn't economic problems which caused the defaults on home loans.

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“the Separation of Church and Plate,” etc. Posted: 11/14/2009 3:12:47 PM
Second... By the general definition of "congress"... the SC General Assembly IS a congress.. The SC General Assembly is not congress. In this instance, the intent of the Constitution was to limit the power of the federal government. It does not apply to state legislatures, if you abide by the strict meaning of the language. However, if you wish to subscribe to the philosophy the constitution is a "living document" then you can pretty much say it means whatever we feel like it says at the moment. Pretty much renders the document useless. And finally the issuance of license plate hardly constitutes the "establishment" of a religion. Establishment would imply that only one religion would be recognized as valaid for such things as marriages. Such as the Church of England was at the time. To suggest that towns erecting nativity scences at Christmas, for instance, is establishing a religion is absurd.

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Obama wants his war options changed Posted: 11/14/2009 12:15:00 PM
Why you're correct. The fact that in 8 months the Taliban has regained control over large portions of Afganistan is just a coincident. It had absolutely nothing to do with Empty Suit's "new strategy" of pulling troops back into the major cities and pursuing the war remotely using drones. As for making a "better decision" perhaps the president should outline his objectives (and not broadcast them to the world) and then let the military devise the strategy to accomplish them. But, his best decision would be to get rid of his "we are the world" advisors and get some advice from those with a better perspective on reality shall we say.

cpfstock

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Obama wants his war options changed Posted: 11/14/2009 10:22:36 AM
As a senator I doubt if President Obama had all of the information he needed to make a good decision about our efforts in Afganistan. As president with ALL the information he can't make a GOOD decision. In fact, he can't make a decision at all. The empty suit strikes again. (Links provided) March '09 - Announces "new strategy" for the Afgan war. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/27/obama-new-strategy-afghanistan-war Aug '09 - Defends his "new strategy". http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/us/politics/18vets.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1258222255-M1tsrfYndXb5Ue3ZcEBWsg Now he wants to wait, review, discuss, and then decide. The empty suit has no clue and the Taliban is taking advantage of his ineptitude and weakness. Amazing how many are still falling for his shtick. Reminds one of "jobs saved."

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“the Separation of Church and Plate,” etc. Posted: 11/14/2009 6:59:45 AM
which prohibits Congress from making a law “respecting an establishment of religion.” So someone explain to me how the state legislature of South Carolina is acutally Congress. And since Congress took no action in this matter, how is the action of "not congress" unconstitutional?

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Unemployment hits 10.2% Posted: 11/14/2009 6:55:22 AM
I think we have to work in the framework of the reform bill just passed in the house, if we want to reduce the number of law suits resulting from malpractice get rid of the health care providers that are practicing in a manner that leads to suits Except the bill passed in the house would deny federal health care $ to states which pass meaningful tort reform. Uneccessary testing and procedures to head off potential lawsuits costs the U.S. healthcare system and esitmated 50B annually. The bill passed in the House is not aimed at "reforming" health care or even reducing costs. It is simply a vehicle for a single-payer government system. Now to the whys you ask. Eliminate dept's of energy and education because they do nothing to enhance energy production or the quality of education. Plain and simple a waste of tax dollars. Freeze federal hiring because the federal gov't is way too big and spends way too much money. Eliminate the double taxation of dividends because it would help seniors and retired folks and it is deterrent to capital formation and investment. This is still a capitalist economic system and may remain so, if it can survive Pelosi/Obama.

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Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option Posted: 11/8/2009 10:41:27 AM
^^^Sounds like "Trickle Down" Health Care to me! Sounds like you're entitled to all the health care you can afford to me. So seriously, what is the rationale for a public health insurance plan and the expending of trillions of dollars anyway?

cpfstock

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Unemployment hits 10.2% Posted: 11/8/2009 10:06:16 AM
I thought I was fairly specific as to what I'd do. I didn't see any political agenda in my course of action. I only make decisions based on the economics and the money. I'm am not a member of any political party. In fact, I rarely vote in anything but local elections. But this admimistration is setting economic policy and programs in place which are not only not working in the short run, but will be enormously harmful in the long term. When the bill comes due for all this deficeit spending the economic catastrophe that will ensue in hard to imagine. Once the Fed backs out of the MBS market and all the Freddie/Fannie and FHA sub-prime ARM's have to be reset look out. As the Treasury prints the money to pay for the deficeit and the dollar weakens, inflation will come back. Then the bond ghouls will have a field day and the interest on the Federal debt will consume a larger & larger percentage of the federal tax revenues. Right now the gov't is basically borrowing money for next to nothing. That is fixing to come a halt. 2nd half of 2010 interest rates will begin to rise. 2011 they will go through the roof. This end any "recovery", jump unemployment to close to double where it is today and end the "american dream" for an entire generation.

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Public Option Alive and Well Posted: 11/8/2009 7:10:51 AM
Wrong, there would have been an auto industry without gov't intervention. Maybe not GM or Chrysler, but someone would have picked up the slack. Same for the banking system. In fact, gov't intervention via TARP is now producing as many problems as it supposedly cured. And besides most of the TARP $ didn't go to banks. It went to the holders of the credit default swaps like Goldman Sachs. Health care was/is no more in danger of extinction than****roaches. What you're confusing is health care and health insurance. While some reforms were advisable the bill that passed the house isn't it. I mean how good can it be, if you have to threaten fines and jail time to get people to participate. Makes me wonder whether Mrs. Pelosi is the speaker of the House or the chairperson of the politburo. You'll also notice that once again she couldn't resist throwing in a political payoff in the bill. It denies funds to states which pass tort reform to curb malpractice lawsuits. That's about a 50B a year cost which could have been reduced significantly.

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Unemployment hits 10.2% Posted: 11/8/2009 6:40:59 AM
So I guess they were wrong. What's your point? You think they are first economists or politicians to miss an estimate?[/quote} He (they) knew better. Heck, if I knew back last fall unemployment was going over 10% and post such here long before May, then the Fed knew also. He was lying.

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Unemployment hits 10.2% Posted: 11/8/2009 6:38:33 AM
I ask what would you do if you were president. How would you go about creating jobs. 1. stop spending money we don't have (see UHC) at this time 2. promote the use of natgas as fuel for large vehicles and transportation fleets with transition to using it as fuel for most transportation a. this would spur a job creating drilling boom in the U.S. b. this would spur jobs to build out the infrastructure to support the transition * pipeline expansion * fueling station construction and conversion * lower imported fuels and reduce our balance of payment deficeits 3. Enact tax incentives for plant expansions of all types making the increased revenue tax exempt for a period of 10 years. 4. Allow accelerated depreciation of capital expenditures 5. Pass favorable tax treatment for the construction of nuclear power electric generating plants. 6. Eliminate the Departments of Energy and Education 7. Freeze most if not all federal hiring 8. Eliminate the double taxation of dividends 9. Bring Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae under sound fisical management and quit operating them like a hedge fund 10. Redirect the misguided stimulus spending to primarily upgrading the electrical grid of the midwest and northeast. They're in bad shape. 11. Pass legislation to reform healthcare to include tighter restrictions on "pre-existing" condition denial, increased portability, states restricting access to their markets and tort reform limitations. I got more, but I'm tired of typing right now.

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Public Option Alive and Well Posted: 11/8/2009 6:17:45 AM
Once upon a time the government had a vast scrap yard in the middle of a desert. Congress said, "Someone might steal from it at night." So they created a night watchman position and hired a person for the job. Then Congress said, "How does the watchman do his job without instruction?" So they created a planning department and hired two people, one person to write the instructions, and one person to do time studies. Then Congress said, "How will we know the night watchman is doing the tasks correctly?" So they created a Quality Control department and hired two people. One to do the studies and one to write the reports. Then Congress said, "How are these people going to get paid?" So They created the following positions, a time keeper, and a payroll officer, Then hired two people. Then Congress said, "Who will be accountable for all of these people?" So they created an administrative section and hired three people, an Administrative Officer, Assistant Administrative Officer, and a Legal Secretary. Then Congress said, "We have had this command in operation for one Year and we are $18,000 over budget, we must cutback overall cost." So they laid off the night watchman. NOW slowly, let it sink in. Quietly, we go... like sheep to slaughter. Does anybody remember the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter Administration? Anybody? Anything? No? I didn't think so! Bottom line: We've spent several hundred billion dollars in support of an agency... the reason for which not one person who reads this can remember! Ready?? It was very simple...and at the time, everybody thought it very appropriate. The Department of Energy was instituted on AUGUST 4, 1977... TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL. Hey, pretty efficient, huh??? AND NOW IT'S 2009 -- 32 YEARS LATER -- AND THE BUDGET FOR THIS "NECESSARY" DEPARTMENT IS AT $24.2 BILLION A YEAR. THEY HAVE 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES; AND LOOK AT THE JOB THEY HAVE DONE! THIS IS WHERE YOU SLAP YOUR FOREHEAD AND SAY, "WHAT WAS I THINKING?" Ah, yes -- good ole bureaucracy. AND, NOW, WE ARE GOING TO TURN THE BANKING SYSTEM, HEALTH CARE, AND THE AUTO INDUSTRY OVER TO THE SAME GOVERNMENT? HELLOOO! Anybody Home

cpfstock

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Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option Posted: 11/7/2009 7:55:35 AM
Yeah, HR 3962 is change alright. Pay a fine and/or go to jail, if you don't buy health insurance. Pelosi speaker of the House or chairwoman of the Politburo?? http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/JCTletter110509.pdf

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Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/4/2009 3:12:44 PM
Texas is Next..... for what?

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Election '09 tests not boding well for Obama Posted: 11/4/2009 3:06:51 PM
I don't like trickle down either. I'd just as soon keep it all.

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Abortion & Politics Posted: 11/1/2009 9:19:59 AM
The SCOTUS erred in Roe v. Wade in two respects, IMHO. First, as stated in the decision the court found the right in the "penumbra" of the constitution. That is, it is not contained in the explict language, but rather in the lightest shawdow cast by the "intent" of constitution. Thus it was contrived and wrongly decided. But, that's a topic for another thread. Secondly and perhaps even more importantly, the SCOTUS should have declined to hear the case. At the time of their intervention and decision the issue was being decided in state legislatures. That process was nearly complete in most of the states. Roe v. Wade was interjected and it threw the entire political process into chaos. Almost 40 years later it's still a divisional issue in american politics. An issue which would have long ago been settled in the legislative houses of each state were it not for the action of the SCOTUS.

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No trick: 2,000 kids knock on White House door Posted: 11/1/2009 4:42:52 AM
cool by me. good thing for kids. well except for the cavities they'll get. that covered under UHC??

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Public Option Alive and Well Posted: 11/1/2009 4:37:55 AM
You defend these numbers? Absolutely not. The numbers are lousy returns.

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Is It Time to Secede Yet? Posted: 11/1/2009 4:30:23 AM
Is It Time to Secede Yet? Yes! Yes we should!

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Ethics panel scrutinizing dozens of House members Posted: 10/31/2009 2:21:42 PM
they must essentially prove that the lawmakers solicited the campaign contributions in exchange for contracts from the government. now that's a sweet deal. be kind of like a guy walking into a bank, lays a gun up on the counter and asks the teller to give him all the money. now he didn't actually threaten the teller with harm and didn't say anything like this is a robbery. so he's headed home and the cops arrest him. his defense = i didn't intend to rob the bank. all i did was ask for some money and they gave it to me.

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Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress? Posted: 10/31/2009 2:17:05 PM
Aid to Israel ain't that much. "The House of Representatives has appropriated $2.04 billion in military aid to Israel for next year (up from $1.98 billion this year) in addition to $840 million in economic support funds. The total amount of US aid of this sort has been constant, at around $3 billion, for many years, but there is a current ten year plan to phase out economic aid and provide corresponding increases in military aid." FY2009 Obama administration has proposed around $130 billion in additional funding for the Iraq War and Afghanistan. Down 50B from FY2008. Ok, we got 133B. Where we gonna get the rest?

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Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option Posted: 10/31/2009 1:32:43 PM
Why not do your own search? I did and came up empty. Seems the text is not available from the congressional web site. All I could find was articles guessing what is in the bill. Figured I would read it for myself. But, then may not be worth the effort since it won't have much impact on me one way or the other.

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Obama's latest approval ratings. Posted: 10/31/2009 12:42:18 PM
As to your second part,that is absurd also There is nothing absurd about questioning the validity of an economic conclusion based on one quarter of data. Here is some info. You can decide for yourself how best to act. Data from a fairly well respected economist William Wright. Well at least a lot of people bet a lot of money on his opinions. "Here is a breakdown of this quarter's GDP drivers: 2.36 percentage points of the 3.5 percent third-quarter growth in GDP came from consumer spending. Car sales alone represented 1 percentage point of total growth, reflecting the success of the government's Cash for Clunkers program. This is the biggest question facing the fledgling recovery, given that consumer spending represents 70 percent of total economic activity. Can consumers keep spending with unemployment at a 26-year high of 9.8 percent and expected to keep rising until next summer? 1.22 percentage points of the 3.5 percent GDP growth came from investment, with nearly half that strength coming from a surge in residential construction, an area that had been plunging since 2006. The $8,000 new home buyer refundable tax credit was a major contributor, along with falling prices. Much of Business spending on computers and other equipment showed gains, but spending on commercial structures such as office buildings and shopping centers continued to decline. 0.48 percentage points of GDP growth in third quarter came from the increase in government spending. All the strength in third-quarter government spending came from a 7.9 percent rise in spending at the federal level, reflecting in part the boost from the stimulus program. That offset a 1.1 percent drop in state and local spending, where budgets have been hard-hit by the recession. The expectation is that the stimulus program, which is helping states weather the recession, will keep government spending growing in coming quarters." Take away the non-reoccuring items and you have GDP growth flat. Just like I said. Much as I respect Mr. Wright I still prefer to use the spread between the 3 mo. and 10 yr treasury yields as a predicting mechanism for economic activity. And while that metric is certainly much better than 12 months ago it is still predicting basically flat to slightly negative GDP growth for 2010. I also fear the 7.9% increase in defict spending by the federal government will come home to bite us in the form higher interest rates and inflation down the road. That combination will choke off any recovery and send the economy back into a deeper recession. Hence my "opinion" that the policies of the administration are designed more for short term political advantage as opposed to long term economic growth and stability.

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Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option Posted: 10/31/2009 11:54:44 AM
Speaking of the bill in the House has anyone seen or found a link to be able to read it on-line?

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Is it Time to Bring the Troops Home? Posted: 10/31/2009 11:43:55 AM
I don't know anymore ... post a link. How this helps clarify it for you. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/03/obama_unveils_a.html

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Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress? Posted: 10/31/2009 10:46:37 AM
Lie, didn't lie. Clearly it's in the eye of the beholder. But regardless, at a price tag of 1.055T we don't have the money to pay for it whether it covers illegals or not.

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Is it Time to Bring the Troops Home? Posted: 10/31/2009 8:55:14 AM
Point is ... the Cairo speech certainly didn't make things right with the perceived enemies over there in the Middle East. so we agree then. the obama world apology tour was a bust.

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Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option Posted: 10/31/2009 8:52:18 AM
Sooo ... just more (cluster) Faux Noise ... it's not certain that is at all true ... Attempt to obfuscate by impuning the source all you want, but the fact remains there is no provision to allow anyone to "opt out" of paying the taxes a 1.055T price tag will bring.

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Afghan Deaths Increase - deadliest month in Afghan war Posted: 10/31/2009 8:34:28 AM
What do you think could have improved the situation? Simple. Same thing his military commanders have been telling him for months. More boots on the ground.

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Did the CIA Lie to Congress About National Security? Posted: 10/31/2009 8:29:02 AM
Can you post a link for that? Yes, but you can do your own search.

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Ethics panel scrutinizing dozens of House members Posted: 10/31/2009 8:26:47 AM
What are you trying to do? End the last bit of bipartisanship in congress. If you end the bribing congressmen and their paying off their friends and supporters there won't be much left for them to do.

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Did the CIA Lie to Congress About National Security? Posted: 10/30/2009 6:29:20 PM
Cheney's a smart man. I wouldn't tell congress jack about any plan under consideration by the intelligence community until I was ready to implement it. But, back to the original claim by Pelosi that congress was never told of waterboarding. That is patently false. She and other members of congress were told. To equate that with the CIA not telling congress about ideas being floated around the bureaucracy but never acted upon is a big reach.

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Is it Time to Bring the Troops Home? Posted: 10/30/2009 6:01:55 PM
[qoute]The despicable torturing of the prisoners gave them fodder to recruit unimaginable numbers and the hate for us has just been festering. It's going to take years and years to turn that around. Wait just a minute. It wasn't all that long ago I was being told by every Obama supporter on this board and the media too, that his Cairo speech "reset" relations with the arab world and various non-governmental arab organizations. And wasn't it Obama who kept endlessly claiming Afghanistan was a "war of neccessity" during his magical mystery tour run to the white house. And wasn't it president Obama in March who announced, a "comprehensive new strategy" ...... "We've consulted with the Afghan and Pakistani governments, with our partners and our NATO allies, and with other donors and international organizations" and "with members of Congress. " All to end "long years of drift" (said last Monday) in Afghanistan. Or was all that just more reading from a telepromter by an empty suit.

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Did the President LIE on September 9, 2009 ... in his speech to Congress? Posted: 10/30/2009 5:40:59 PM
I didn't hear the president that night. Don't know what he exactly and actully don't care. But, if he's a politican and his lips were moving then there is a high probability that he was lying.

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Msg: 266 (view)

Obama's latest approval ratings. Posted: 10/30/2009 5:38:46 PM
NOV 2010 Will mark the end for many senate republicans You takin' bets on that?

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