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goodsmartman

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Msg: 18 (view)

Female Orgasm: Proof Of God Posted: 3/23/2009 9:32:03 PM
This forum may have ended. But I hear that female orgasms continue -- did their discussion move elsewhere? I am posting here because a reader of my comments here recently stressed to me me privately that (as I understand) my factual remarks were not appropriate in a POF humor forum! Perhaps. This is the first POF humor forum that I read. But I do think any one theory on female orgasm (selectively) presented as fact is misleading - and that's not funny to me. But what I said before -- the theory that the only reason that females have organisms is because men do!! - I do think is funny - and could also be attributed to a female god!! Now my following remarks may be both informative and humorous. I just read a May 2005 NY Times Review of Dr. Elisabeth Lloyd's book : A Critic Takes On the Logic of Female Orgasm: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/science/17orga.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print Her book is not new as stated, but perhaps there is a later edition. Now what may be the ironic and funny part: Dr. Lloyd adopts the earlier-published theory which says - in so many words - that the only reason that females have organisms is because men do!! I kid you not!!

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 3/22/2009 7:53:39 PM
sapphireeyes (msg 224) said: Goodsmartman, I can appreciate what you are saying but from what the doctors, therapist, and years of going to professionals and seminars and training the issue is that a large percentage of people who are Bipolar will not accept there is anything wrong with them until after some major life event..ie with my ex it was his third attempt to kill himself. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- sapphireeyes, I can appreciate what you are saying also -- and especially your dedication and sacrifices for your husband. You certainly lived up to the vows that so many of us have taken to love our spouses "in sickness and in health." You tried, I respect you, and I don't question where you drew your line. But obviously all of our experiences affect our perceptions and beliefs. I do question and ask what you mean by "a large percentage." From my own experience ---from what the doctors, therapist, and years of going to professionals and seminars and training -- the issue is that they are almost all focused on persons with bipolar and other mental illnesses when they are most ill and most treated. Also, the statistics are generally incomplete. For example, I have served some years on an advisory committee for public mental health services in my county. We have very good data for those in the public mental health system - but none on the elephant of those outside of the public system. Again, yes, you are right in that many persons with bipolar illness struggle -- even when they are taking their medications. But we are not hearing much in this forum from persons who have lived with persons with bipolar illnesses successfully managing their illnesses. Bad news is reported more than good news.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 3/21/2009 5:07:04 PM
Lil Brooker Message above ----------------------------------------------------------------------- quoted a previous poster: "I think the movie a Beautiful Mind was good in the way it brought the effect someone's mental illness can have on a significant other." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lil Brooker: ACK! I HATED that movie .... It made shizophrenia look like it had redeeming qualities.... My Mom was schizophrenic and at times it made her life a living nightmare. The effect it had on her significant others - family and friends was not good. In my opinion, "A Beautiful Mind" misrepresented hell into being a sweet experience." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- goodsmartman: I respect Lil Brooker's interpretation of her experience. Others may have different experiences. But I'm mainly here to say again, as I have above, that persons with mental illnesses/disabilities have abilities as well -- sometimes extraordinary, as in A Beautiful Mind.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 3/21/2009 11:49:02 AM
sapphireeyes-message 215 said: "There is also the most important FACT of all. Any major life stressor...a death of a child, family member etc can result in the medication they are on not being enough. At the moment in life when you need them the most they wont have the mental ability to be there for you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ goodsmartman response: There is certainly a lot of truth in that. Any major life stressor can often be a relapse trigger for persons with bipolar illness -- as well as an emotional trigger for so-called "normal" people (chronically normal, not yet diagnosed, etc.). At such times persons with bipolar illness may need extra therapy, as well as the self-help using learned Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) skills. Originally developed for persons with Borderline Personality Disorder, DBT can work for persons with any emotional illnesses, as well as those without. I'm still learning DBT, but as I understand it -- DBT can often help anyone re-intrepret stressors so as to mitigate or eliminate their destructive impacts on the persons experiencing such stressors. I know that it has helped me.

goodsmartman

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Initiating Sex Posted: 3/20/2009 6:25:40 PM
Hello PrimeWoman, Thanks for your help. I did try your profile -- three times. The first and third times it worked. The second time it bounced back to my sign-in screen. So I'm still confused. Can anyone else contribute? While I can apparently reply on a forum to any forum posting. But as far as I know - if I cannot access a profile, I cannot send a private message. Even then the intended recipient's mail restrictions may block it. I know someone similar to you -- who has a profile that is hidden in the search mode, but visible in the forums. As far as I know, one has to have a profile - visible or not in search - to use the forums. And I do not see any option to hide one's profile in the forums. Nor would I suggest it. I often want to read profile's of forum posters. They are always unique, and usually rather interesting to me. GSM ---------------------------------------------------------- Initiating Sex PrimeWoman Posted: 3/18/2009 939 PM [to]goodsmartman-- My profile is hidden, so try mine to test your theory. I was wondering myself if it could be accessed via forums and did add a disclaimer just in case. I am truly here for forums now, because I have my fish to fry at this time. ....

goodsmartman

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Initiating Sex Posted: 3/18/2009 8:30:08 PM
Some "profile" links for posters on this thread do not work -- even though the poster posted earlier the same day. Instead I get kicked back to the pof sign in page. Is this because such posters has just hidden their profiles, or what?

goodsmartman

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Msg: 60 (view)

Initiating Sex Posted: 3/18/2009 4:10:26 PM
sassy_scorpio--msg 1: I would like some advice on initiating sex. ----------------------------------------------------- Phoebe48- msg 21: Re: I would like some advice on initiating sex. Phoebe48: Geesh if you have to ask you're in real big trouble! I didn't look but HOW OLD ARE YOU? And you still don't know how to initiate and keep him interested? Have you ever read the book titled "The Joy of Sex?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to see some discussion here or on another thread about “advice on initiating sex for the first time” with a new person. Is there such a thread? The how long should you wait” thread that I saw didn’t sem to cover it.

goodsmartman

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Ladies I have an emergency question !!!please respond Posted: 3/15/2009 6:42:52 PM
Well , I have never been repulsed by the varying smell (or taste) of a woman's vagina - and I have no advice to give. But I do have a few questions: First, do I assume correctly or not that a woman can get a grip on the situation such that she can smell her various smells? Second, is it (at all) true that a man can smell (or taste) another man's sperm/ejaculate deposited in a woman's (duh) vagina from prior intercourse within a day or two before? And if true for smell, how close would he have to be to the bank to smell the deposit? I think that I have have figured out how close he would have to be to taste it, if at all. I swear, a former girlfriend told me this. I have never heard of it, and wonder if she were simply pulling my (third) leg, for whatever reason/s.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 3/14/2009 12:21:45 PM
RenaissanceMan1950 (RM) on 3/14/2009: There are "some" bi-polar people, who have achieved balance, undergone therapy, and function reasonably in an interpersonal relationship. That is not, however, the norm; so approaching someone with this condition should be done with your "eyes wide open". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- GoodSmartMan (GSM) response: So how do/would you define the norm, and is it statistical or behavioral? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (RM): The reality is that many bi-polar people don't want to be on meds. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GSM: And another reality is that many if not most persons with bipolar illness DO want to be on meds. And how many is many to you. Is it the majority or the minority? If a bi-polar person is functioning well -- how would YOU know they were bipolar? In other words, there are many persons with bipolar disorder (people-first language) that you would not know are bipolar -- unless you knew them well personally or were told by a third party. Re “not taking meds” -- Many (if not most) "bipolar persons" (term used in this thread) do indeed take their meds (and even have ECT) -- and experience mood swings. The right medicines are not always prescribed, and even if so may lose their effectiveness over time. There are no overall "magic bullet" medications for many or most. And ECT doesn’t always work either. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RM: They like the super creativity, high energy levels, etc. of the manic phase too much. If a bi-polar person is functioning well, in terms of earning a living and fulfilling their obligations in life, the varying reality they experience, based on moods, seems "normal". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GSM: Yep – they like some conditions and experiences. But also many or most persons with Bipolar 1 or Bipolar 2 illness have long ago realized how destructive mania is to all areas of their lives and really want to remain stable -- so as, for example, to get in and remain relationships of all kinds. Persons with Bipolar 1 illness do normally experience hypermania (strong mania). Many or most persons with Bipolar 1 or Bipolar 2 illness have long ago realized how destructive mania is to all areas of their lives and really want to remain stable -- so as, for example, to get in and remain relationships of all kinds. Persons with Bipolar 2 illness do not normally experience "mania" per se -- but instead hypomania (milder mania), which is not so destructive and somewhat easier to live with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RM: It's just very difficult for someone, who isn't sharing the same mood swings, to deal with. Such bi-polar people are a nightmare to be involved with, because they're unpredictable, and view an intimate partner differently, depending on whether they're up or down. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GSM: Yep – can be. More in sickness than in health. But often over time one can learn enough about the person and the illness to have some skill in prediction about that persons (very) probable behavior during their mood states and swings. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RM: "It's very common, too, for a bi-polar person to have a co morbid condition, such as a personality disorder, which makes life a living hell, and the hope for "treatment" a fantasy." ----------------------------------------------------------------- GSM: But also it is also (very) common for persons to have a "dual diagnosis" -- and yes need and often get treatment for both (or more). Yes -- Personality Disorders can be very difficult to treat and to manage. But there are many second and other disorders that can be treated and managed well enough to allow "normal" life. Substance abuse with illegal drugs and alcohol can be very problematic.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 3/14/2009 10:32:26 AM
sprýté on 3/14/2009 9:09:26 AM : I can understand that you would be a little hesitant getting into a relationship even with someone as healthy as me, but what I am saying is don't pass someone up automatically because they might have a mental health issue. Wait and find out the situation first, the least is you will have gained a friend. seconded :) --------------------------------------------------------- thirded:)

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 3/12/2009 10:28:46 PM
Chevy Girl 78 (message 174) said: I don't believe that people with mental health issues have an "entitlement" mentality here. It's more a mentality that they are fighting for a normal life, like everyone else. This normal life doesn't happen though because of the stigma and discrimination that anyone with a mental health problem faces. This is obvious in some of the posts, people with Bipolar (all one word no dashes) being referred to as "a bipolar". A person is not their mental illness. They are a person first who suffers from a disease. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mental illness is a "disability" under federal and probably most state laws. Since at least the 1991 federal Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) -- the most legally, professionally, and generally acceptable terminology is (in this case) not "a bipolar" -- but "person with mental illness." This is called "people first language." For example, I used to chair the federally-mandated (for all states and territories) "Protection and Advocacy for Individuals with Mental Illness" (PAIMI) Advisory Council in North Carolina. Each state and territory has a federally-mandated and funded "Protection and Advocacy Agency" (P&A) for several disabilities, including MI. In many settings -- but obviously not dating -- any differential treatment on the basis of disability is illegal discrimination. But my main point is that persons with disabilities usually have more abilities - sometimes extraordinary -- than disabilities. Dr. Kay Redfield Jamison of Johns Hopklins University -- a person with bipolar illness herself -- wrote a book called "Touched by Fire" about the special creative and artistic that persons with bipolar illness often have. Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament by Kay Redfield Jamison (1993). Remember the 1988 movie "Rain Man"? The character Raymond [played by Dustin Hoffman] is an autistic savant, with superb recall but little understanding of subject matter. He is frightened by change and adheres to strict routines (for example, his continual repetition of the "Who's on First?" sketch). Except when he is in distress, he shows little emotional expression and avoids eye contact. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_Man]. The point is that Raymond had both a disability as well as an extraordinary ability.

goodsmartman

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what does it mean when a guy asks how many other guys he is competing with? translate please. Posted: 3/12/2009 6:06:40 PM
I think that it means different things to different men. For me it would generally be an indicator of how attractive she was to others, as well as general probability of meeting and possibly developing a relationship. Men, and most animals I believe (I did not say that most men are animals) like to beat out other men and "win" in the competition for the most attractive women.

goodsmartman

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A MAns HArd-On (question for the women) Posted: 3/12/2009 4:48:59 PM
rugbybryan said : "and yeah call it what it is....... its a BONNER. (IM TOTALY TRYING TO BRING BACK THE WORD BONNER)" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And I say - spell it like it is "BONER" (at least in the US). It brings back memories of when I was a younger man, especially about 20 years old, in another world long ago (I'm now 66). Back then I did experience many sudden erections when I was hugging a non-taboo girl/woman -- and especially when we were "making out." We used to do that a lot without sexual intercourse (vaginal) back in those conservative times in the South, and prior to "the pill." (Back then, condoms were sold "for disease prevention only" - at least in my home state of North Carolina.) There was this romantic song -- "Put Your Head on My Shoulder" -- written by Canadian singer-songwriter Paul Anka. Anka's version, released as a single in 1958, became very successful, reaching number 2 on the Billboard Hot 100. When I mind wandered, I amused myself by pretending that the song's meaning could be radically changed by simply changing one word in the title -- as in "Put Your Head on My ... Boner"!

goodsmartman

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Female Orgasm: Proof Of God Posted: 3/11/2009 9:19:26 PM
divagreen on 3/11/2009 5:01:18 PM said: What??? There is no biological proof that female orgasms contribute to the evolution of mankind? And here I always thought science explained everything! (Very loud snicker) Every time I have multiples in under three minutes, I thank God (or Goddess) that I am female, and I tend to get religious. No argument here...know kneel down and worship... Btw, this is a somewhat sarcastic/humorous posting. In case anybody misses it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- goodsmartman to divagreen: I'm not sure how "somewhat sarcastic/humorous" you are" - so I might miss it, or not get it. In message 10 above I did report another view that female orgasms do contribute to the evolution of mankind. Now my following remarks may be both informative and humorous. I just read a May 2005 NY Times Review of Dr. Elisabeth Lloyd's book : A Critic Takes On the Logic of Female Orgasm: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/science/17orga.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print Her book is not new as stated, but perhaps there is a later edition. Now what may be the ironic and funny part: Dr. Lloyd adopts the earlier-published theory which says - in so many words - that the only reason that females have organisms is because men do!! I kid you not!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "That theory holds that female orgasms are simply artifacts - a byproduct of the parallel development of male and female embryos in the first eight or nine weeks of life. In that early period, the nerve and tissue pathways are laid down for various reflexes, including the orgasm, Dr. Lloyd said. As development progresses, male hormones saturate the embryo, and sexuality is defined. In boys, the penis develops, along with the potential to have orgasms and ejaculate, while "females get the nerve pathways for orgasm by initially having the same body plan." Nipples in men are similarly vestigial, Dr. Lloyd pointed out. While nipples in woman serve a purpose, male nipples appear to be simply left over from the initial stage of embryonic development." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, if I were a male god -- I would certainly give women organisms too -- especially when they were with me! I think that everyone can understand why. (I always do my best anyway.) I looked at your profile, and you live only 111 miles away from me. Your multi-organismic self-description is appealing. But I am too old for you, and you're in love anyway. Good luck.

goodsmartman

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Female Orgasm: Proof Of God Posted: 3/11/2009 8:13:52 PM
misstique~ on 3/11/2009 156 PM--but now there are the 'Forum nazis' that were probably banned from someplace else and came here, and now are making sure THEIR BRAND OF EVERYTHING...is what is posted. The pathetic thing is you can tell who they are..they post insults after they try to delete a thread something..and their 'interest' sections are generic, except they put a - or . in them to make sure they LOOK unique, like NO ONE ELSE is LIKE THEM, so they don't light up blue like all the rest. Well the guy that posted this one..is an admin. Has been since 05. So, he posts, roots those types out, and reverts back to his admin page. Needless to say, he got 7 of em this time, and flagged them as forum abuse,and 3 as unfit. I've known him for 3 years, and now I revert back to my admin profile. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- goodsmartman--You don't identify whom you are critical of -- but I assume that you are referring to giaus - the only other guy (now) visible as having posted. If you are referring to a poster whose post has been deleted then I do not know this. Giaus was very critical in his posts. I believe that I posted a informative, useful, and appropriate factual response to the factual statements of the author quoted in message one. Followed by some humor I believe. to misstique -- you also say "I've known him for 3 years, and now I revert back to my admin profile." I don't understand what you mean. Are you an administrator? Or have you changed profile names, and giaus. POF says that giaus joined on 12/28/08, and that you joined on 1/31/2009. (I joined on 11/4/2008.) It doesn't add up to 3 years.

goodsmartman

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Msg: 163 (view)

Well... Posted: 3/10/2009 9:13:38 PM
emry's crow said (Posted: 3/10/2009 113 AM) wow I just realized that I really deminished my chances of meeting someone on this site now lol. well for those who have read this past post of mine. I'm stable (mentally)and have been for around 9 years. by stable i mean not serious enough for hospitalization. I stay on my meds,I excersise and eat healthy. sure I have my down times .but I let those people who are in my life, know that I'm having a rough patch, and need a day or two to get it back together again.At first I seem a little odd. and I have really strange ideas(like my hampster electric generator,you can ask later if you want).so there's my plug lol. back to what was going on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- emry's crow - I think that you have really deminished my chances of meeting someone on this site -- who would not want to stay with you. I also think that you may have increased your chances of meeting someone who can and will accept you as you are. There are books about living with a person with bipolar illness. I cite one below. Many famous and/or productive persons have been bi-polar. Outside of Hollywood and currently - perhaps one of the more widely known persons in Kay Redfield Jamison, who has written many books about bi-polar illness. I cite some of her info below also. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Loving Someone with Bipolar Disorder by Julie A. Fast, John D. Preston Amazon.com Review Julie Fast and John Preston have written a ground breaking book for couples who want to prevent manic depressive disorder from hijacking their relationship. Fast, a health writer diagnosed with bipolar illness and clinical psychologist Preston are ideal companions. Their innovative ideas will be welcomed by exhausted partners of "bipolar individuals"--whose illness can cause them to alternate between manic and depressed behavior. Once medication has been prescribed, the key is studying the specific ways your partner is effected. This allows couples to develop pro-active strategies for treating and stabilizing mood swings and symptoms, before they develop into full-blown crises. The techniques emphasize prevention, rather than putting out fires. These include understanding the difference between the person and the disease (know when "the bipolar disorder is talking") listing your partner's specific symptoms, identifying the triggers that lead to these symptoms and transforming the "bipolar conversation" The goal of all the tools is to pinpoint early warning signs of a manic or depressive episode and be prepared with a holistic treatment plan. Other segments of the book deal with the work (checkered resumes) and financial problems (spending sprees) created by this illness. The author's ideas are engaging, compassionate and realistic--an oasis of relief and hope. --Barbara Mackoff --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kay Redfield Jamison, Ph.D. Kay Redfield Jamison is Professor of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and Honorary Professor of English at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. She is the co-author of the standard medical text on manic-depressive illness, which was chosen in 1990 as the "Most Outstanding Book in Biomedical Sciences" by the American Association of Publishers, and author of Touched with Fire, An Unquiet Mind, and Night Falls Fast. She is the author or co-author of five books and more than 100 scientific articles about mood disorders, suicide, psychotherapy, and lithium. Her memoir about her own experiences with manic-depressive illness, An Unquiet Mind, was selected by The Boston Globe, Entertainment Weekly and the Seattle Post Intelligencer as one of the best books of 1995. An Unquiet Mind was on The New York Times Bestseller List for more than five months and was translated into fifteen languages. Her most recent book, Night Falls Fast: Understanding Suicide, was a national bestseller, translated into twelve languages, and selected by The New York Times as a "Notable Book of 1999." Jamison is currently working on her newest book, Exuberance: The Vital Emotion, to be released in 2003.

goodsmartman

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Female Orgasm: Proof Of God Posted: 3/7/2009 9:21:35 PM
Sometimes I even went down on my knees to worship her!

goodsmartman

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Female Orgasm: Proof Of God Posted: 3/7/2009 9:10:02 PM
PS. I'm not saying that there is or is not a God -- nor whether any God/s are female or male. But I did generally worship my last ex-girlfriend -- and not just when I had an orgasm.

goodsmartman

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Female Orgasm: Proof Of God Posted: 3/7/2009 8:55:45 PM
Psych_md said: Observe, won't you, a new book by a soft-spoken scientist named Dr. Elisabeth Lloyd, from Indiana U, that basically claims there is no justifiable evolutionary need for the female orgasm whatsoever, that it really serves no known biological purpose and that it's becoming, therefore, increasingly obsolete and redundant and more or less unnecessary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am responding to the factual statement above -- that is not humor. Based on education and continued learning -- I rather think that every biological trait has or had an evolutionary function. Personally, I myself have never had a female orgasm. However -- I did once date a female who said that she sometimes had and sometimes did not have an orgasm. Hallelujah indeed when she did! According to the recent documentary The Anatomy of Sex -- female orgasm does indeed have both a biological and evolutionary purpose: a female who has an orgasm is more likely to get pregnant, because contractions cause the back wall of the vagina to did into a pool of semen. The link below is to a 3 minute clip that states and demonstrates via computer animation the phenomenon of a female orgasm. http://www.flicklife.com/34ebebceb7765e447268/Anotomy_of_Sex_and_Orgasm.html I'm not saying which source is right or wrong. And I know that I was not very funny. But I thought that this information deserved to be posted here.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 3/6/2009 9:30:41 PM
I am very impressed and encouraged by those persons with bipolar illness/disability who have disclosed their illnesses and coping on this thread. First, so many have leaned so much from their experiences - and thus have been able to provide such useful perspectives and advice. Second, they are helping to erode the terrible stigma surrounding mental illness in our society. Research has shown that the best way to de-stigmatize mental illness is for persons with mental illnesses to "come out of the closet" - and let others see how very human they are. I have been at many mental health/illness conferences where the mental health "consumers" (prevalent term) have discussed their fear of disclosing and when they should when starting to date other persons without mental illness (sometimes called "chronically normal" or "undiagnosed" persons). BTW, I have bi-polar 2 illness, and am an advocate for persons with disabilities, primarily mental.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 2/28/2009 7:29:30 PM
Well, how about that, POF censured the proper name for a mixed alcoholic drink -- ****ails of medications. I wonder if c o c k tails will work. If not, think of bunny tail and go from there. I guess one has to be careful ordering a mixed drink on POF.

goodsmartman

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Msg: 111 (view)

care and bi-polar Posted: 2/28/2009 7:19:46 PM
Hurricane Hanna (message 82) said: "ECT is used for unipolar depression, not bipolar disorder, and only in voluntary treatment, because there is a very serious benefit/not so benefit to take into account. Even newer forms have a risk of affecting memory. Medication is the treatment of choice for bipolar, but the mixture of medication and types and doses require individual adjustments and as the illness changes over the years medication changes need to be made. People who are medication compliant and report symptom changes early and get medication adjustments, rarely have severe mood symptoms when they stay on medication." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I say that's pretty accurate -- but not 100%. ECT is used by far most of the time for unipolar depression. However, I was surprised to learn recently that it is sometimes used (3%) for bipolar disorder that does not respond well to medication. It is also still used (less than 10%) for schizophrenia. Reference - the book: Shock - the Healing Power of Electroconvulsive Therapy -- by Kitty Dukakis and Larry Tye, p. 17 (hardback). Also, while MOST people who are medication compliant and report symptom changes early and get medication adjustments may indeed rarely have severe mood symptoms -- I've never seen the data -- I do know that MANY (more than rare) such persons do indeed have severe mood swing symptoms. Some 20 % of people who take psychotropic medication do not respond well to different medications (often****ails of medications). Such persons are called "treatment resistant." At that point they may be offered ECT - which is reportedly more effective against depression than any medication - as a treatment of last resort. As both Hurricane Hanna and I mentioned -- there are usually undesirable side effects from ECT, usually memory loss. But it beats suicide.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 2/26/2009 7:28:02 PM
To follow-up -- in the posts above many persons with bi-polar mental illness have been blamed for "not taking their medication." Obviously, I do not personally know the persons so blamed -- so I cannot say whether they were or were not taking their medications. Whether they were or not, I understand the frusatration and anguish experienced by those who are in relationships with persons with uncontrolled bi-polar illness. But I do know this: Many if not most bi-polar persons take multiple medications and get therapy faithfully for years and years -- yet nevertheless suffer profound mood swings during those years. Guess what -- medicines don't work for everyone. And even when they do, the medicine effect wears off over time. For this diminished effect new medicines may be prescribed, the the cycle eventually repeated. For such "treatment resistant" persons, Electro-convulsive Therapy (ECT) is sometimes recomended as a last resort. ECT is considered by psychiatrists in general to be very effective -- but guess what: ECT works for some, but not for others (and may cause short-term memory loss for both groups).

goodsmartman

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Msg: 80 (view)

care and bi-polar Posted: 2/26/2009 6:47:37 PM
People can make their own decisions on if and whether they can or cannot stay with a bi-polar person. But I at least think they should use the best information and knowledge available. Thus I'm very glad to see in this thread some apparent shift from less knowledge toward more knowledge. One view that many have mentioned above is that there mentally-ill bi-polar loves "don't want to help themselves." This is just nonsense. There is no volition involved - it's brain chemistry. Earlier I mentioned the US-based international self-help resource group - the Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance. Now for both persons suffering with Bipolar and other mental illnesses ("consumers") -- and for their families, friends, and loved ones --there is the US-based international National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI). NAMI provides self-help self-support training for both consumers and others who wish to help both the consumers and themselves.

goodsmartman

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care and bi-polar Posted: 2/25/2009 9:36:41 PM
Chevy Girl 78 knows well what she is talking about. Bipolar illness is hell, and like any other mental illness is very stigmatized. BTW - there are basically two types of Bipolar Illness: Bipolar 1, with severe depression alternating with high mania (hypermania) -- and Bipolar 2, with severe depression alternating with mild mania (hypomania). Among other places for help is the Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance (dbsa.org). Whenever I have gone to a DBSA meeting - there are usually parents or spouses, etc., there who have stood by their ill loved ones, and I admire those spouses. etc. Reminds me of the "In sickness and in health" marriage vows. No, its not easy, and it won't work for everyone -- but its a decent goal.

goodsmartman

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Msg: 67 (view)

women - glut on the market? Posted: 2/12/2009 12:04:48 AM
Well what an interesting and growing threat -- 66 messages in about 36 hours. I am glad that several members jumped in with real data -- apparently one woman and several men. I wonder why -- but I'm not going there. There were a few bizarre statistical claims. Now here's some background to the present day situation. I studied Demography at UC-Berkeley in the late 1960 (while ducking tear gas). I learned that men then outnumbered women at birth around 105 to 100 -- because boys died more than girls, and the ratio was thus about 100 to 100 at the early childbearing ages. Both an older male professor and a younger female professor used to joke about the fastest way to equalize men and women in the senior ages would be ... to increase the death rate of women! I believe this has happened -- supposedly as more women move into dangerous "men's jobs," adopt some male vices, are more stressed out (but I don't have data on this). Oh, did I mention that both the professors were world famous demographers -- that they were married to each other -- and that she was younger, having previously been his student! BTW, there is now a serious imbalance of males over females in China. This has resulted from China's strong "one child" policy. Since males are preferred over females by Chinese couples (or whoever makes the decision) -- Chinese couples abort females more often than males. And after you have a male birth, you've reached your limit of one child (strongly enforced). Me? I'm 65, and looking. My 50-year old girl friend broke up with me about 6 months ago because -- among other things -- I was too old for her, and she wanted (and got) a younger man (56). I'm open to a wide age range of women. (PS-I have more education than money -- but I don't want anyone else's money -- prenuptial okay by me.)

goodsmartman

Joined: 11/4/2008

Msg: 159 (view)

why do people stay on POF after meeting someone? Posted: 2/8/2009 8:32:24 PM
The message you are replying to: Posted By: briannazg2 on 2/7/2009 2:02:11 AM Subject: why do people stay on POF after meeting someone? Message: I tried to send you a reply, but you do not accept mail from someone my age or gender... go to this link it helps newbies.... http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts614124.aspx#13 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you briannazg2. I had set my female age limit far too high for fishing. I have now reset it to all ages (and genders) for non-fishing messages. I went to the link, and copied it. I'll try to deal with it later when I'm fresher (mentally).

goodsmartman

Joined: 11/4/2008

Msg: 148 (view)

why do people stay on POF after meeting someone? Posted: 2/6/2009 9:57:30 PM
Thanks Briannazg2 -- so this below is one/the way to reply to you personally? [Briannazg2 Joined: 8/28/2007 Msg: 143 view profile History why do people stay on POF after meeting someone? Posted: 2/6/2009 1241 AM Or does it always go last? Y e s]

goodsmartman

Joined: 11/4/2008

Msg: 142 (view)

why do people stay on POF after meeting someone? Posted: 2/5/2009 9:54:55 PM
Test failed. I thought it would reply to message I selected on p. 1. Or does it always go last?

goodsmartman

Joined: 11/4/2008

Msg: 141 (view)

why do people stay on POF after meeting someone? Posted: 2/5/2009 9:50:54 PM
Test first reply. BTW, you sound very nice.

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