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 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 6
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wait wait wait.....

They saw it in Houston Texas- then, an explosion was found over 8500 miles away (that's over 1/3 the way around the world)- and someone made that connection?

Am I the only one who smells BS here?
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
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Posted: 5/29/2008 7:47:56 PM
I saw the link. Two separate and completely unrelated incidents thousands of miles apart- what was likely a model rocket in Houston, and what was probably an airplane crash in Vietnam.
Technically correct, both incidents (afaik) remain unidentified.
 AwP
Joined: 12/31/2006
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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:53:40 AM
Keep in mind people, that UFO doesn't always mean alien. UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Any object that is unidentified and just happens to be flying is a UFO. The suspected model rocket mentioned earlier is a UFO, until it moves from "suspected" to "confirmed", then it's not a UFO. I suppose you could call it an IFO then if you really wanted to, but it makes more sense to just call it a model rocket.
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 5/30/2008 11:22:54 AM
>>>UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Any object that is unidentified and just happens to be flying is a UFO.

Once you leave the land of the rational, that distinction doesn't really matter- once you claim that a unidentified flying object at one moment is seen in Midwest US, and the next moment crashes on the other side of the Earth, then it doesn't really matter if its terrestrial or not, because you're telling a fantastic story that defies logic and rationale

Not to mention this wouldn't be current events if it was terrestrial- the entire fact that it could possibly be an alien craft is the only reason this is newsworthy- the title isn't "Pilot sees something he can't explain, possibly a model"- it's 'UFO Crash'. This entire topic was created and still exists to perpetuate the belief that space aliens are among us.
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 22
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Posted: 5/30/2008 12:26:23 PM
>>>GIANT ROCKET NEAR MISS!

Where was it said that the rocket was giant?
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 25
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Posted: 5/30/2008 2:58:00 PM
On what subject?
 specialfxgirl
Joined: 7/5/2005
Msg: 26
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Posted: 5/31/2008 11:40:58 AM
UFO blamed for mystery explosion in Vietnam

Islanders on Phu Quoc, close to the coast of Cambodia, heard a loud bang and saw shards of metal up to 5ft-long raining down on them on Tuesday morning.

Local armed forces and volunteers were mustered to help rescue any survivors, believing there had been a disaster.

Officials estimated that the incident had happened around five miles up but airlines in Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand were contacted and all said they had not lost a plane.


Islanders on Phu Quoc, close to the coast of Cambodia, heard a loud bang and saw shards of metal up to 5ft-long raining down on them on Tuesday morning.

Local armed forces and volunteers were mustered to help rescue any survivors, believing there had been a disaster.

Officials estimated that the incident had happened around five miles up but airlines in Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand were contacted and all said they had not lost a plane
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 29
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:05:56 PM
>>>BUT it only take ONE of many hundreds of thousands each year to be true...

So are you saying this situation is one, or are you wasting our time? (EDIT:Notice how he never answered this question? What a surprise- if you're as vague as possible with your beliefs, you don't have to fear ever being wrong, I suppose, while at the same time demanding other people follow your fractured logic and beliefs based solely on faith)

Its like saying that of the hundreds of boats that sink each year, a few of them are sunk by sea monsters- stop wasting our time preaching about these magical creatures that defy logic, reason, and physics

My only issue with the belief of aliens is it asks that we completely disregards the scientific method in order to have faith in a higher power we couldn't possibly understand- it encourages people to embrace ignorance to assume that someone is watch us from above- it asks we replace science with faith, because science doesn't give you the answer you like.

 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
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Posted: 6/1/2008 12:36:25 PM
Logically, if an alien civilization wanted to "keep an eye" on us, they would do so using automated orbiting probes, or "manned" space stations in geosynchronous orbit, or stationed at the Libration Points (aka Lagrangian Points), most likely L4 or L5.


From Wikipedia:


The Lagrangian points; also Lagrange point, L-point, or libration point), are the five positions in an orbital configuration where a small object affected only by gravity can theoretically be stationary relative to two larger objects (such as a satellite with respect to the Earth and Moon). The Lagrange points mark positions where the combined gravitational pull of the two large masses provides precisely the centripetal force required to rotate with them. They are analogous to geostationary orbits in that they allow an object to be in a "fixed" position in space rather than an orbit in which its relative position changes continuously.
The Sun–Earth L1 is ideal for making observations of the Sun. Objects here are never shadowed by the Earth or the Moon. The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) is stationed in a Halo orbit at L1, and the Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) is in a Lissajous orbit, also at the L1 point.
The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe is already in orbit around the Sun–Earth L2. The future Herschel Space Observatory, Gaia probe, and James Webb Space Telescope will be placed at the Sun–Earth L2. Earth–Moon L2 would be a good location for a communications satellite covering the Moon's far side.
Sun–Earth L3 is highly unstable, because the gravitational forces of the other planets outweigh that of the Earth (Venus, for example, comes within 0.3 AU of L3 every 20 months).
L4 and L5 are sometimes called triangular Lagrange points or Trojan points. The name Trojan points comes from the Trojan asteroids at the Sun–Jupiter L4 and L5 points, which themselves are named after characters from Homer's Iliad (the legendary siege of Troy). Asteroids at the L4 point, which leads Jupiter, are referred to as the 'Greek camp', while at the L5 point they are referred to as the 'Trojan camp'. These asteroids are (largely) named after characters from the respective sides of the war.


Examples:


The Sun–Earth L4 and L5 points lie 60° ahead of and 60° behind the Earth as it orbits the Sun. They contain interplanetary dust.
The Earth–Moon L4 and L5 points lie 60° ahead of and 60° behind the Moon as it orbits the Earth. They may contain interplanetary dust in what is called Kordylewski clouds.
The Sun–Jupiter L4 and L5 points are occupied by the Trojan asteroids.
Neptune has Trojan Kuiper Belt Objects at its L4 and L5 points.
Saturn's moon Tethys has two much smaller satellites at its L4 and L5 points named Telesto and Calypso, respectively.
Saturn's moon Dione has smaller moons Helene and Polydeuces at its L4 and L5 points, respectively.
The giant impact hypothesis suggests that an object named Theia formed at L4 or L5 and crashed into the Earth after its orbit destabilized, forming the moon.


Apparently, we haven't noticed anything peculiar about L4 or L5 (no alien space stations).
There also doesn't appear to be any ET presence on the Moon, another logical place for a surveillance station.

That leaves me to conclude that any visiting ETs are tourists; we should be selling them beads and trinkets...
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:04:58 PM

Occams Razor proves the exsistance of UFO's.

So, what exactly does Occam's Razor prove?

The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae ("law of parsimony" or "law of succinctness"): "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", roughly translated as "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity".

This is often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.

The version of the Razor most often found in Ockham's work is "Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate" [Plurality ought never be posited without necessity.]

Does this suggest that the simplest explanation for UFOs involves a shy but curious extraterrestrial civilization that expends enormous resources to travel vast interstellar distances, just to harass individuals in remotely populated regions of our planet, damaging crops with odd geometric patterns, performing odd vivisections of livestock (and perhaps unfortunate humans), for no apparent purpose-
Or, that people sometimes fail to recognize mundane, but perhaps not-so-common phenomena?
Now, which concept involves the smaller number of assumptions?
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:05:09 PM
I have no doubt the Universe is teeming with life, and that some life has intelligence at least equal to our own, and very likely even more "advanced" than we.

The problem arises when we consider the number of planets capable of supporting life that any spacefaring species might want to visit, the finite resources such a species would possess, the costs involved in traveling interstellar distances, and the likelihood of any kind of payoff for annoying us with their antics.

Any physical resource wouldn't be worth the effort to come this far, not even the most precious of substances.

Not to offend the ladies, but I don't think they come here for our women.

What could they possibly want that we wouldn't be delighted to trade for?

A ton of gold for one of those interstellar saucer starships? Done!! We'll take two!! With cupholders and surround sound!!! Make mine beige, with leather seats!!!
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 6/2/2008 1:32:48 AM
>>>....There has been .......MORE ....Than......a handful....of people....who have experienced......the un-explained .....

And there are literally Millions of people who, in desperation of a mundane life, will refuse to accept an explanation in hopes that something greater and significant appears in their life, and there are many more who will make things up for the same reasons.
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 39
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:34:54 AM
>>> I wonder what people will claim to have seen in 300 years from now?

The Zombified corpse of Al Gore wondering the streets
 itechman63
Joined: 7/7/2005
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Posted: 7/26/2008 9:39:06 PM

If they find it and identify it would that make it an IFO ?


No.... it would be FO. Or just O since it's not flying anymore.
 Soul Union
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 45
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:20:30 PM
Has anybody seen or heard anything of the supposed Crash of
a UFO in Vietnam, just a few days ago? --- Plastic Sturgeon


You are wasting your time here, Plastic Sturgeon.

Tell us about the Hollywood whores who are getting breast implants. Tell us about the stars who are cheating on their partners or their partners' partners, or who is getting their jaws wired or their faces lifted or botoxed . . . Don't tell us about reality, that we are not alone (and never have been); don't tell us things that will make us think, albeit momentarily; don't come away with that UFO stuff, because we have better things to do with our stupid, miserable, narrow, pitiful lives.

I am watching a documentary at the moment, an in-depth and intelligent documentary about the Kecksburg (Pennsylvania) UFO crash of December 9, 1965. If anyone can watch this programme with an open mind and still say, hand on heart, that what crashed was a meteor, they are obviously the ostrich-head-in-the-sands type.

The object that came down that night had "hieroglyhpic-Egyptian-type writing around the base," according to a local resident who was the first on the scene in the woods. "It was about the size of a VW Beetle."

John Murphy, reporter and news director for local radio station WHJB, wasted no time in getting to the site to interview witnesses and take photographs.

To cut this long story short, Murphy was 'visited' by two men in black suits, who claimed to be from the government. They spoke to him for about 30 minutes. And when the meeting was over, all the fire, all the enthusiasm, all the energy that was being invested in this story, "the biggest scoop of his life," according to his ex-wife, had gone, replaced with stone cold fear. He was so terrified after this meeting that he wouldn't even speak about the subject again. Bonnie Millslagle, Murphy's ex-wife, said: "This was the story of his lifetime, the way he treated it. And suddenly - nothing? Not a word? It was totally unlike him to drop something like that."

Murphy's photographs were taken from him, and he never saw them again.

In February 1969, four years after the incident, Murphy was struck and killed by an unidentified car in an apparent hit-and-run incident while crossing a road. The hit and run occurred near Ventura, California while Murphy was on vacation. "There were too many things that didn't make sense," said Bonnie after John was killed.

The government, the American government - that lying, cheating, thieving, condescending, patronising shower with their multi-trillion-dollar black budget who control our every move and mind's every other country's business - right down to how we should think, told the public it was simply "a meteor." Oh, thank God. Now we have the truth. Now we have the Official Version, so we can rest assured in our beds at night. All the first-hand witnesses must be blind, or on drugs, or stupid, or out of their minds; and the state troopers, armed with automatic rifles, who formed a human chain around the object and who carted it away in a low-boy truck in the middle of the night, knew it was nothing but a piece of rock. All that manpower, all that secrecy, all that energy and expense for a rock in the woods.

OK, now we know the truth. The American government has spoken. The matter rests. There is no intelligent life out there, there are no UFOs, everything is explainable . . . All we need is the American government telling us what we have seen.

What more could we want on this earth?

Best wishes to all.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
-- George Orwell

- Peter
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