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 quietcowboy
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Run any combustable engine on water this includes any car.Page 6 of 9    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QbRd2Fu4QK8



http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/genepax-water-powered-car-japan-debunking.php
 quietcowboy
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Posted: 7/14/2008 7:48:16 PM
The video you posted came from Reuters, so if you believe all the damn the man crap that you post you won't trust that source. Here is another one for you, but frankly there so many that I'm just too lazy to post them all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
 desertrhino
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Posted: 7/20/2008 4:13:22 PM
Now it's "water PLUS fuel" for "double your economy." I thought it was "run your car on water for free!"

always fun to watch the story change as liars are cornered by reality.
 quietcowboy
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Posted: 7/22/2008 7:09:55 AM

http://www.water4gas.com/faq.htm
http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/


Solomon, this website site that you provided earlier are flagged as scams by the WOT add-on on my Firefox browser.

http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.runyourcarwithwater.com
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.water4gas.com

When are you getting your website up?
 desertrhino
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Posted: 7/22/2008 10:34:35 AM

I cam across something of interest for every one to know.

As we all know water (H2O) can be converted into hydrogen and oxygen useing electrical curent. As we also know that it takes more energy to convert it than what you get out of it......or does it? there was a guy by the name of Stan Meyer who back in the 90's found away by using frequency reather than electricity to seperate the hydrogen and oxygen from water and was able to get 10 thimes more energy out that it took to make it. He was able to run a dune buggy just off of tap water. Any combustable engine can be converted to run on just water and its cheap and easy to do. never mind the expensive hdyrogen cells and having to buy hydrogen at a station. this would give everyone free energy for your cars. If your worried about the price of water then one could catch rain water or stop at a creak.
You dont have to take my word for it, I found the information on the net. Go to youtube and search Stan Meyer you will find videos on his acomplishments. unfortunatly like so many befor that has invented great things was murdered and his house ransacked for all his research but some one some were still had a copy of his research and posted it to the net. I did some more searching after i seen the videos and found some free pland that they guarantee will work for your car. they say that you will be getting any were from 50-300MPG depending on your fine tuning skills.
this web site with the plans is http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans.htm
I wish I knew a little bit more on how a car works, I would try this out for myself. if anyone tries this please let me know how it works.

You can read, right?


Get 50% plus economy on petrol,deisel ,lpg or 2stroke's, and loads more horsepower. I make them.

You know the difference between 50% plus economy and "up to 50% increase," right? Most people report 2-3 mpg increases.

As for the posted websites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3zCq4cR5IQ

The Vancouver buses run on hydrogen fuel cells. Totally different technology, they are ELECTRIC buses, with a hydrogen fuel cell "battery." This is not home or in-car electrolysis... it's electrolysis off-site in a major plant/installation, using hydro-electric plants as the source of the electricity, with the hydrogen compressed and stored, then loaded onto the buses as needed.
*still looking for any websites YOU posted*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxoE3FQvCH4&feature=related

Just another description and advertisement... no proof of any sort.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4 (from eye8one2... again, not solomon999)

Compressed air is again, completely different technology. Hardly a defense of the Brown's gas scam, though a good idea in and of itself. I also notice the big oil companies NOT coming in and killing these guys for proposing a viable alternative to gasoline-powered cars. Why do you suppose that is?


http://www.toamazing.com/fuelcell4truckers.html

Purely an advertisement, and absolutely no verifiable proof to be found on the site. I like this bit, though:
"The vendors of TurboFuelCells do not hold themselves responsible in the unlikely event of the installation of a cell causing any malfunction and/or damage to a vehicle and recommend that purchasers of the cell follow the installation manual carefully when installing and if in doubt obtain the services of a professional."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWOxnXKB8VQ

Wow. Paranoid conspiracy-mongering, but Stan Meyers couldn't prove a single iota of his claims, and he was allowed to keep driving his water-powered car on the requirement that he "keep his mouth shut" and the government was calling him all the time to remind him to shut up. I'm still waiting for ANY proof. "Free Energy" and "perpetual motion" is just suppressed by the CIA. Whatever.

Ah, finally we come to solomon999's links:

http://www.water4gas.com/faq.htm#showhybrid

Again, just a giant advertisement, with offers to show a running car at certain times and places. No science, no controls, no evidence of economy, but there is definitely a running car. My favorite line from the site is this:

Can you tell me exactly how much I can save?
No. I will not even estimate. All I can promise you is zero to start with, and you are totally responsible for the rest. And you should be happy with what YOUR CAR can achieve. Don't take it bad, let me explain:

Our technology works. You can read the testimonials. Many people have saved 50% and beyond. You can visit me in Hollywood and see my car in action. However, this cannot be turned into a PROMISE or a guarantee of any kind. No gains, or very little gain, can be achieved IF:
The vehicle has been "chipped" or otherwise modified to high performance, or

There is something else wrong with the vehicle, mechanically or electrically. The vehicle must be in good shape!
As far as I know, and I may be wrong, the best models for BETTER fuel economy are those that are already good on economy as well as diesels and carburated vehicles. Gas hungry vehicles such as giant SUV's are NOT geared for economy, although we can still improve them. If you can afford to choose, go for the more economical vehicle or truck that fits your needs.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk7WXYkyKA

Another of solomon999's links... alas, youtube says "The URL contained a malformed video ID." But we'll take it as a given that any monkey can make a bottle of water fizz with some electric current and salt. The claim isn't that electrolysis works, it's that the products of commonly-ducted electrolysis provide massive increases in fuel economy... a claim even the water4gas site won't openly make for fear of being sued for fraud.


http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/

Again, no proof whatsoever, just some unsupported claims and a link to an fuel-efficiency bit on youtube. Steve Meyers, Stanley's brother, is featured in the piece, and is out in the open with his claims based on his brother's work, and strangely, he hasn't been killed. Weird. I guess the big conspiracy only works sometimes.


http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv

Following down a few of the rabbit holes: This one is amusing, because "Klein says his 1994 Ford Escort can run exclusively on water, but it's currently rigged as a gasoline/water hybrid." Yeah. I'm still waiting on any proof. It's weird that nobody killed this guy, and he's supposedly working with the US Military.


http://www.hydrogenht.com/science.html

Now, from the science side of the hydrogenht site you link:

an average savings of 8-12%

Truly not bad, but nowhere near the outlandish claims made here, and the technology required is sooooooo ultrasecret that:

Due to the proprietary nature of this technology, and the competitive advantage afforded HHT by our detailed understanding of the mechanisms involved, a full explanation of the science and intellectual property will only be made available to those who undertake a comprehensive NDA.

Somehow I doubt this technology is going to make it into the $150 units being scammed, er, sold on the internet.

Now, I'm getting tired of this never-ending chase, where you keep skipping aside, dodging, and changing the claims and promises as each avenue is shown to be horsesh!t... I have better things to do with my life than sit at a computer. Going to do some of those now. Have a nice day.


Have you got lots of money ? Maybe I should sue you. I hear they award big compensation in the US.

Don't threaten me. I face scarier prospects than your little lawsuit every day. Besides, for you to even have a chance of proving libel, you have to prove what I say isn't true... which would mean you have to actually provide PROOF that your little kits give "50% plus economy." (Quite aside from the original claim of running only on water.)
 quietcowboy
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Posted: 7/22/2008 12:43:11 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4 (from eye8one2... again, not solomon999)

Compressed air is again, completely different technology. Hardly a defense of the Brown's gas scam, though a good idea in and of itself. I also notice the big oil companies NOT coming in and killing these guys for proposing a viable alternative to gasoline-powered cars. Why do you suppose that is?


There were somethings I thought were interesting in watching that video. I think the guy might have something for vehicles operated in factors, etc but for the everyday driver I can't see it. I don't think there is much more saving that can be introduce to the vehicles. The technology is far to developed in that regard. The "car" in the video was extremely light weight, didn't look like it had a suspension to speak of, no accessory such as radio, A/C, airbags,windshield wipers, and so on. Its hard to imagine the frame in a crash test. With its extreme light weight, is hard to imagine it on the highway at all! The tanks were composites which means they will be brittle in probably to axis. I would want to be near them if they exploded, they store lots of work. Finally the car was able to run for roughly 200 km between fill-ups which isn't that convenient either.
 Yclept
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Posted: 7/23/2008 7:57:05 PM
What you describe does not make sense to me. I am only a chemist, but it is difficult to convert pure water into H2 and O2. The reason is that other anions (e.g., chloride) compete with OH- at the cathode (H2 is formed at the anode). Mor eon that below BUT...

The first and second Laws of Thermodynamics together state that you cannot perform a process to start and end with the same material (like generating H2 and O2 from water and burning the H2 to form water) without losing energy UNLESS the process takes place at absolute zero.

The Third Law states that it is impossible to reach absolute zero.

Carnival performers have been around for a long time.
 desertrhino
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Posted: 7/23/2008 9:35:01 PM
Again, Solomon... we await proof. Show us a car that has been independently assessed for gas mileage, been modified to your system and again independently assessed for gas mileage.

Otherwise, STFU.
 bigshrek
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Posted: 7/25/2008 1:17:55 PM
I think we need :modhammer: in here. The flaming of members is getting WAY out of control.
 desertrhino
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Posted: 7/25/2008 9:40:49 PM
Shrek, I hope you don't think I'm flaming by expecting some sort of proof before I buy into a potential scam?
 basher2
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Posted: 7/26/2008 4:14:20 PM
I found 2 cents. So, here's my too sense worth. Feel free to send me any change I am due.
My understanding of Hydrogen or oxyhydrogen vehicles is that they run on the burning of hydrogen, either in air or in the presence of oxygen (2 times as much hydrogen - H2O). Under ideal conditions, you would be able to flip back and forth between the oxyhydrogen and water, with no loss in energy. However, there are losses in the cycle, so, in order to keep things going, energy is needed. I believe this is provided with electricity. In many areas, where electricity is provided by hydro, wind, or nuclear power, this basicly contributes no carbon emission, which is, I believe, the overall point of the exercise. However, many other areas are reliant largely on coal-, or natural gas-fired electricity. In these cases, there is a direct link to carbon emissions with this technology. Now, if there is found a way to convert water into oxyhydrogen without using electricity, such as a friendly bacteria, or if there is a catalyst which performs this task using solar energy (for instance) I could see there being incredible potential. As far as my understanding goes, however, I wonder something. Wouldn't it be much more efficient (compare efficiencies of combustion, or heat engines, to those of electrical), to continue to develop the electric car, and run the vehicle directly from the electricity being used to elecrolyze water?

Just sayin.
 desertrhino
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Posted: 9/4/2008 7:35:35 PM

In fact the super electrolysis process now can run you car completely on water only from the power your alternator produces using the Stan Meyer Process !!!


That is a completely unsubstantiated lie. Show some proof. The closest you've come is some yahoo showing a car running mostly on gasoline with a little common-ducted hygrogen/oxygen generator... POSSIBLY boosting economy, and the guy saying "it COULD be run 100% on just water." Flat. Lie. You CANNOT generate more energy by burning the fuel than you use creating. It's not just a fiction pawned off on us by some Big Oil loser... it's a physical law of the Universe.

PROVE it. Seriously. Prove it. Show SOME, ANY independent lab using appropriate controls that shows ANY of this claim is true. Otherwise, you're a con artist or one of the conned.
 desertrhino
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Posted: 9/20/2008 9:12:24 AM
Most water *IS* owned. Just saying.
 desertrhino
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Posted: 9/20/2008 9:17:46 AM

could anyone of the other believers post complete info. on the process, how to build it yourself, with plenty of details so as to make it understandable for a person with limited knowledge of mechanics, electricity and the like.


See... the big advocates SELL these plans and kits. What possible margin could they exploit if they GAVE IT AWAY? In more ways than one, I might add. Giving away for no money, and giving away the secret of extremely limited application only in the area of mileage enhancements of particularly poorly-tuned engines.

They don't run Jack or Schitt on water... they enhance the burning of the GASOLINE in some engines that need a tune-up badly, then sell you kits that won't last 2 years. Get a tune-up, it'll help nearly as much. Add to that keeping your alignment adjusted and your tires properly inflated, and this Brown's Gas crap just ain't worth looking at.
 TheLimey
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Posted: 9/30/2008 10:56:59 PM
There's actually a VERY simple method to improve your gas mileage by up to 20%:

Remove all that emissions crap that US cars have to have.

Alternatively, you can have the same gas mileage but more HP with the same method, which is the way I chose to go...about 50% more power in my casee...

One of my bikes made 96RWHP when I bought it & got 45mpg. It now makes 142RWHP & still gets 45mpg...& the main jets in the carbs are 18 sizes bigger than stock...Takes quite a bit of HP to overcome all the restrictions that the emissions crap cause...remove the restrictions & improve your gas mileage.. of course it goes without saying that you won't pass a smog test...so you'd have to put it back to stock once every 2 years for the test....
 TheLimey
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Posted: 10/7/2008 10:58:57 AM
But why bother with all that crap when simply removing stuff will give you an extra 20% (or more) fuel mileage? Removing crap doesn't cost ANYTHING...
& removing weight from a vehicle also gives better mileage. I junked the OEM exhaust from my bike which weighed 30lb, the one on it now weighs 8.5lb.. so there's 21.5lb of crap that I don't have to pay to carry around...
 Sortin
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Posted: 10/7/2008 4:51:47 PM

We finally got our contraption up and running in a stock 97 Ford Arrowstar mini van and we are getting much better gas mileage. Silly us we didn't measure what the MPG was before we put it in the van all I know is we are able to drive a lot farther on a tank now.

To be taken seriously, you have to post numbers. What's your current gas mileage now, after the conversion? If you can't at least provide that, then you're just guessing.
 TheLimey
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Posted: 10/9/2008 4:13:34 PM

Ofcourse you're right about the crap and weight, but you're also adding tons of crap to the atmosphere we don't really need by removing antipollution stuff.


Fastest way to cutr air pollution in California is to stop buying all that crap from China, all those ships going back & forth contribute more polution than all the cars etc in California.

When they stop coming, I'll do my bit, until then the greens can KMA.
 TheLimey
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Posted: 10/10/2008 5:47:39 PM
So your choice is to run your bike as it is now and pay the extra for the fuel and make the extra pollution and swap the crap back and forth every 2 yrs, or , put on a cell and add more power and more economy than it has now plus cut pollution output more than the origional setup.
A cell would cost no more than about $50 for the bike, would take less time than it took to do the mods, you'd never have to refit the crap to pass the smog test ever again and the bike will have more power and better economy than it has now. It's a win win situation, more power more economy extremely little pollution.
The upkeep on the cell will be less time consuming than changing stuff every 2 yrs for a test. I don't know what your air fuel mix is at the moment but you'd be able to add more fuel again for more power if you wanted, or put on two cells for more hydrogen power. Personally I'd be adding the hydrogen myself, for more real power.

Just to give you a heads up: The engines I work on daily make anywhere from 600 to 5800hp. I do know just a bit about engines. I've been working on them for 30+ years.
This HHO crap is a snake oil scam. EVERY test of it on TV & in mainstreeam magazines has blown all the claims out of the water. There is NO verifiable data on this crap.

Also:
Motorcycles aren't tested for smog etc & so I don't have to put anything back on the bike every 2 years, that comment was directed at cars. My bike gets 45-50mpg, not too shabby for bike that has more power than a lot of cars & tops out at 172mph....

& you're in violation of the same fed vehicle rules as I am: you absolutely can not leggaly mess with ANY intake & exhause systems on vehicles in the US. Thats why the systems have warnings from the US Govt & DOT on them. Are you going to pay the fines for the people who get busted with this shit on their vehicles?

As for saving gas to save money:
Where I come from gasoline is about $11/gal, even if it was $6/gal at the pumps in the US it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
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Posted: 10/10/2008 7:20:24 PM

As for saving gas to save money:
Where I come from gasoline is about $11/gal, even if it was $6/gal at the pumps in the US it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

When I bought my car in January, I calculated that the new gas mileage will save me enough over one year (over my last car) to pay for the car. After the gas prices jumped, I may be even closer to that savings already.

I know you could simply lie about the new gas mileage on the Aerostar, but you will never convince anyone that it works by remaining vague. Just calculate a tank of gas, and post it. It's not difficult.
 TheLimey
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Posted: 10/14/2008 6:40:10 AM

Actually just a small capacitor fitted to the spark plug will add about 10% to 15%. I believe they make them in the actual spark plug itself now also.

OK, now I know you're talking absolute bollocks. A small capacitor attached to the spark plug? It already has a rather large one in most cars, or smaller ones attached directly to the plugs. My bike has 4 of them under the gastank. They are more commonly refered to as "ignition coils" & engines have had them since the invention of the spark plug, thats how they work.
Attaching another coil to the one thats already on there is just BS, if you want a more powerful spark fit an MSD ignition or something similar.

Guess what? there's not an ignition system on the market that increases ANYTHING by 10-15%, except possibly the amount of money you just pissed away.
 Sortin
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Posted: 10/14/2008 6:56:03 AM
to make water we use hydrogen and oxygen to combine them we must ignite them but only a small amount is actually made into water the rest is gone

Say what? Gone where?

And still nothing from the OP about that gas mileage.
 desertrhino
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Posted: 10/14/2008 9:46:24 AM
It's a very *short* read... who, exactly, is supposed to be shocked?
 TheLimey
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Posted: 10/14/2008 9:44:57 PM
& what part of that crap has anything to do with combustable water?
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