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Msg: 385
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I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.Page 20 of 24    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24)

But you are doing something that is illegal and do you want your daughter to grow up and tell her friends, "My mommy smokes pot!". She'll figure it out one day. Trust me.

Better thing to ask is why is a plant illegal? Furthermore why does the government get to decide what we can and cannot put in our bodies? Aren't we free? Isn't the most basic piece of freedom to own one's own body?

Furthermore... A society where children tattle on their parents it's usually called a police state.

and before someone says something, I don't touch the stuff or anything like it. It's a matter of principle.
Joined: 10/3/2008
Msg: 386
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/14/2009 7:23:09 AM

Furthermore... A society where children tattle on their parents it's usually called a police state.

true, isn't the D.A.R.E. program a lot like something out of Stalinist USSR?

or Maoist Red China (PRC) ?

encourage kids to 'rat out' their parents? niice.
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Msg: 390
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Posted: 2/18/2009 9:46:53 PM

> Furthermore why does the government get to decide what we can and cannot put
> in our bodies? Aren't we free? Isn't the most basic piece of freedom to own one's own
> body?
Why don't you go to your local thrift shop and spend $3.99 on a high school text book on introductory criminal law, and read the first 20 pages. Then you won't have to ask everybody this question anymore. But, in case you aren't motivated to do so, I can answer the last 2 questions with the same answer for each: Yes and no.

Ahh, ridicule. In other words you don't want to deal with those questions because they break the illusions or maybe it's because you don't like the difference in thought that asking the questions can bring about. And you're wrong, we aren't free. So long as there are prohibitions on what we can ingest backed by the use of force and if we don't own our bodies then there is no other freedom, there can't be.

The only reason for the drug laws is force, tyranny, lack of freedom, lack of property rights, lack of liberty, lack of everything this country is supposed to be about. You know, documents like "The Bill of Rights" and many more. We have to own our own bodies or we have nothing.

If the founders knew we couldn't so much as grow hemp for rope they would wonder why we haven't overthrown this government by force. But hey, let's not look at stuff that makes people think, let's just ridicule asking the question and point to the law and say OBEY. Sorry, that isn't acceptable.
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Msg: 394
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Posted: 2/19/2009 3:27:03 PM

Your expression of 'feeling ridiculed' reveals much about your own degree of open mindedness and willingness to seriously consider differences of thought.

1) The ridiculing nature of the post is a fact. Your language is quite clear. My feelings are irrelevant.

2) Here's a clue for you, I wouldn't do any of the currently illegal drugs, I simply respect the right of others to own their bodies. If they wish to ruin their bodies fine, theirs to ruin. Your view is apparently one of 'the law is the law'. That is not a open minded in any shape or form. It is the definition of closed minded.

Buy the book just like I did, and read the first chapter just like I did, and stop whining... just like I did. It's not difficult. Then you won't feel ridiculed anymore.

Again, your presentation, your words give away your actual intent. Your argument boils down to ridicule, that it is foolish to even question the state, that one must obey the state. You don't even consider that the state may not have the right to do what it does, to use aggression against the population to enforce the will of the ruling class. Even if we had something that was more like a democracy it would still be a tyranny of the majority and a violation of individual rights.
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Msg: 399
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Posted: 2/19/2009 9:34:19 PM

But, you clearly are filtering your perception of 'the facts' through some ridiculous, overly naive, anarchistic, and narrowminded set of feelings, where, apparently, the rights of the individual should reign supreme, and societal restraints on the individual's freedom should be greatly diminished.

How about some reasoning instead?

Foolish to even question the state? Apparently, you consider it to be foolish to question the state's sole and obvious intent to impose tyranny over the poor huddled and oppressed masses. So studying the basics of the justice system is irrelevent to you, as it is simply propaganda to enslave the common man's mind. Am I not reading you correctly?

I have studied the state and it boils down to one thing, using violence to enforce the will of the ruling class. That's what the state does to people who smoke a plant. Forcibly locks them in cages. The state operates with really one tool, force. Everything the state does boils down to force. Think about it. And it's intent? Usually it's own monetary, power, and political gains for those working in, around, and for it. But since you are hinting at that the state does this for our own good, you might consider this:

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

If the population of the earth were exactly 1, it would make perfect sense to do away with all societal constraints. Being as it is more than 1, the societal constraints inevitably play a significant factor, and it then becomes a balance between the individual and society... hopefully a healthy one.


What I am saying, is that it sounds like you should take a few hours and study the basics of the justice system that has evolved over several thousand years, and which forms the basis of our modern day western democratic society. So that you can consider both sides of the equation, instead of just the one.

Your the one that needs to study it. Start with the important documents that are getting trampled today. You'll find if you study the justice system over thousands of years that what it did was serve the needs of the ruling class, that is the needs of the state. It cares not for the people. It exists in most examples to secure the state's power. That's what it does today, erasing the gains of centuries because some people think the state should be saving people from themselves.

With things like administrative court the magna-carta has been erased. Without jury nullification, juries lose much of their purpose. (another piece of centries old justice destroyed in part for the sake of the drug war) And the other side? The state deciding what we can and cannot put in our bodies? What else is the state deciding for us with its courts these days? Quite a lot it seems. I suggest you go back to the old English law around concepts such jury nullification to get an idea of building a justice system that simply didn't serve the wishes of the state.

Then you may have a less radical, a more intelligent, and a more balanced approach to the issue of individual rights vs. societal rights.

Societal rights. There is no such thing if you actually think about it. What you seem to be referring to is the construct that others are harmed by an individual's personal choices and therefore the state must step in regarding those personal choices. In the case being discussed, there is no harm to others unless the state uses force to make people provide for the health care of other people. Which is back to a violation of individual rights and the state's use of force. Constructs such as "societal rights" spiral into total control and management of people's lives. The building of nanny states at best, North Korea's at worst.

Only a fool would choose to ignore the justice system basics and simply continue to rant only about the oppressed rights of the individual.

Who's the victim if a person decides to smoke pot? Who requires 'justice'?
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Msg: 401
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I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 10:19:41 PM
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Translation: You have no answer for who requires 'justice' because someone chose to smoke, grow, or own some pot.

Who is the victim? Who requires 'justice'?

Anyway nice string of nonsense to save face there, the ignoring of every point and claiming victory... classy... especially like the 'suicidal' and 'never find a girlfriend' bits. Really classy way to argue a case there. Talk about
Joined: 7/6/2008
Msg: 402
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 4:40:37 AM
oops! Wrong room......
Joined: 5/19/2005
Msg: 403
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 9:52:13 AM
Kudos to you xeotide...I applaud your ability to get your point across
intelligently and without ridicule.
I myself am for the decriminalization of pot...I am fortunate to live in a
state that just recently voted to decriminalize small amounts for personal use.
Wonder if the same people that decry the legalization of pot would feel the same
if alcohol was once again made illegal?
Anyways...good luck to you!
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Msg: 405
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Posted: 2/20/2009 4:54:35 PM
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LOL. Love it or leave it....

No it's not one of the finest governments on the planet. There are many others that don't go around playing planet wide bully. The US Federal Government is rogue for many reasons beyond the scope of this topic. It has expanded into a global empire. It bombs people like you and I for its benefit and the benefit of those connected to it. It kills in the 'war on (some) drugs'. A new president comes in promising change and inside just a few days manages is to kill normal every day people who were just trying to live their lives. The federal government breeds enemies every day.

But back to love it or leave it, the original federal government was not to do anything with regards to the substances we consumed, or used in any fashion. You might want to actually study some of the founders' writings. Only Hamilton might find some joy in the way things are today (especially the central bank and ignoring the constitution with regards to money), most would be appalled. A good many even grew hemp, some likely even smoked some weed themselves.

But I see you still avoid the question. Who is the victim when someone smokes some pot? Who requires justice? Who's been damaged? Who is supposed to get compensated? What does locking a person in a cage for the use of a plant on himself achieve?

You can continue to construct fictions in an attempt to mask your ignorance in ridicule. It has become clear you do not have the intellectual capacity to discuss the principles, questions, and so forth but would rather go for a low level elementary school yard style. I have no interest in such a thing. So, you're welcome to the last word.
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Msg: 408
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 6:21:15 PM
I'm sorry...if I disagree with something my government is doing...I don't have to leave.
I can attempt to make changes...and I can complain loudly if I disagree with laws that
ORDINARY people make.
love it or leave it....ahahahahahahahaha!
good answer.

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Msg: 409
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Posted: 2/20/2009 8:29:18 PM
So you're going to make a lame attempt... well good, now we are getting somewhere. we can continue.

Nobody gets victimized when pot is used, except the poor user.

There are infinite numbers of way people can harm themselves. What makes pot special? absolutely nothing.

No crimes against others ever occur due to pot addiction.

Ahh, so you decide to bring in the old drugs bring crime... Those 'crimes' are due to the government's prohibition. Just like they were when alcohol was prohibited. It's the state that makes criminals out of people by making the substance illegal. It's criminal organizations that spring up when a business becomes illegal and loses the ability to operate openly in society. Whatever happened to the crime around alcohol? Vanished the day prohibition did. Or maybe you actually believe that the film "Reefer Madness"... lol. The scary black men will smoke pot and have sex with white women according to the materials of the time. You do know that's how it got made illegal right? Such absurdities are the root of the prohibition.

Nobody gets damaged from pot usage.

People get damaged from lots of things, including stuff the government forces on us. But I know, you believe all of that to be myth. Your government luvs you. Maybe the government should regulate our entire diet under your logic of 'might cause harm to someone'.
The drug war is a failure. It's turning Mexico into a failed state. Just this past year over seven thousand people have been killed in the border region. The toll in lives and treasure alone are rather absurd for a futile effort to keep some people from getting high.

The rest is your usual garbage.
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Msg: 412
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Posted: 2/21/2009 6:28:07 PM

Xeo, I'm really starting to feel sorry for you.
You do seem like a nice guy. But you gotta grow a set of balls and suck up the victim attitude thing. The way you moan, I would've thought you were living in the black hole of Calcutta, only for that the average resident there doesn't piss and moan about life nearly as much. Look I'm sorry you got your ass resized by Uncle Sam a while back, but you gotta get over it and move on dude. And for God's sake, stop trying to constantly reason with people when they abuse your ass. Being a doormat does not become you.

Yes reasoning with you is pointless, that doesn't mean watching you respond to reason with insults isn't entertaining. It's pretty clear that you don't understand reason, logic, or anything else, merely the use of force. Although that does explain your views regarding authority. You really might think about improving yourself. Trying to be better than a socialized animal. Then again you may be too far down the eugenics line that Bertrand Russell discussed for that to be possible.

While convincing you is impossible, I get the benefit of introducing ideas and points of view that many may never hear otherwise while having the side benefit of you looking like a fool. Not that I am above insulting you in return, I probably couldn't do a better job than you do to yourself.

There is nothing about being a victim in realizing what the state really is, in fact it is rather empowering because the state loses it's primary tool, the grant of authority. Just because you're too scared to have opinions, to question, to otherwise disagree with those grant authority over you doesn't make those that do to be moaning or victims or anything else. Maybe you'll understand if the government bans motorcycling (because it's dangerous and someone might get hurt) that if takes something away from another person it can take something you care about away next. This is why people like myself who would never smoke pot will defend the right of other people to do so. I don't ride motorcycles either but you'll also find that I defend a person's right to ride one just the same. That is because it is the same thing, the right to live as we see fit so long as we do not harm others.

"Gradually, by selective breeding the congenital differences between the rulers and the ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs will become as unthinkable as an organised insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." - Bertrand Russell
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Msg: 413
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/21/2009 6:57:27 PM
We will have to wait for the baby boomers to die off before pot will be legalized by the Fed.

As for the "gateway" theory. That's a big load. The conservatives ought to sit on an AA or NA meeting and ask the participants if they would have found themselves abusing if their drug or alcohol of choice didn't exist.

Here's my favorite part;
If I see something traumatizing and go to a shrink to deal with it, I know that I can find one that will hand me a prescription of pills within my first two visits. I'm sure many of you, like me, know someone who walked out of the office in a similar time frame with a prescription for something that has less than ten years of research or experience behind it. Who cares if a prescription is the first course of action? As long as it's legal its not a problem, right

I see an image of soccer mom driving the minivan with the DARE sticker sporting a big Xanax smile; it's OK; the doctor prescribed it. Kinda 50s isn't it? Who says we haven't come back to the old fashion values?
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Msg: 416
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Posted: 2/22/2009 8:43:35 PM

I was beginning to wonder if you could get properly pissed off at all.

Sorry, I am not pissed off. You're a very weak troll. If you think you're lame insults are worthy of getting pissed off about. You're nothing compared to the trolls of usenet at its peak. Simply put, your skills suck. You are transparent. A good troll isn't. Then again I cannot expect much from someone who sees the sort of people who become elected office holders and their employees and thugs to be his masters.

So indulge me here xeo, instead of screaming that the strawman is coming to molest your hind quarters again:
According to this logic, you would therefore defend not only pot smokers and bikers, but also the right of a person to view child porn online, assuming 1) It were available to view totally free of charge and in a totally undetectable fashion, and 2) That person, in no way shape or form was detected in his actions, and/or promoted the cause of child porn in any way whatsoever, and 3) That was all that the person ever did that was illegal, because.....

At least you're learning when you are constructing a strawman but what you are doing here is more of a red herring. Given your posts you probably find the arrest (and cheer for conviction) of 15 year old girl who took naked pictures of herself entirely valid. ( ) After all, the law is the law, and she's guilty of creating 'child pornography' so she has to be put in a cage and her life ruined (as a sex offender) for her own good.

As to your 1,2 and 3, they make no logical sense what so ever. Children are considered incapable of making their own decisions and thus the parallel you try to construct fails immediately. Adults who use various substances, ride motorcycles, sky-dive, and an infinite number of other things a nanny state may deem 'dangerous' and make illegal are seen as capable of making their own decisions, at least for now.

Now I am real big on live and let live bud, believe me. But, are you beginning to see how this 'politically correct lets-all-be-free laissez-faire b/s attitude run amok' of people like you is overtly promoting the putrefaction of the individual from within, and that inevitably becomes society's burden in the long run? Again.... you need a more balanced attitude.

It's a shame that the only way you can even begin to counter my arguments is to construct your own extreme versions of them and then complain that the argument you just created is too extreme. It's laughable really. It makes me miss the time that the internet was smaller and dominated by people with intelligence. People like you are easier than shooting fish in a barrel.

Anyway, society's problems with drugs are entirely from the results of government's prohibitions and the use of government force to make people pay the costs of those who damaged themselves.
I suggest you learn the the Non-Aggression principle. ( ) Although I doubt you have the mental capacity (after years of dumbing down through the government schools and a mind mushed by television and the mainstream media) to even grasp key principles of liberty. After all, you're an adult child that needs the heavy hand of government to prevent him from hurting himself.
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Msg: 423
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 3/21/2009 9:34:13 PM
If you smoke pot around your kid, you're an a$$hole. Never mind the age of your child, you're an a$$ nonetheless. Kids don't need to be expossed to a drug at any age. If they do, the cycle of drug use will continue. And then their kids will be the next in line. Pot is dangerous and you people who disagree are a$$hole$. Don't try to make it seem okay to smoke it by saying it's not addicting. It is. Or by saying it's not dangerous. It is. Stop fooling yourself already. If it wasn't addicting or dangerous it would be as legal as cigarettes or alcohol. Goodluck if it ever is legalised. Shame on our government if it ever is.
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Msg: 425
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 3/29/2009 8:54:51 AM
Does that make you a bad mother,no but it sure as hell eleminates you from the good mother category. i was a child who was brought up around weed smokers, so even though I never thought about smoking weed when the chance presented it self i didn't hesitate to jump on it, that was 12 years ago and I can't stop when i try and it makes me feel bad about myself, good thing i don't have kids, might be from all the weed smoking. Bottom line yo should try your damnest not to bring anything around a child that would hold them back. And weed can stop you from getting a good job, good women, and it makes you lazy an neglect important things. With all the good things you doing to help your child progress why show them that that's that exceptable let her decide that on her own, Go smoke in the garage!!!!
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Msg: 431
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Posted: 4/1/2009 6:19:42 PM

doing drugs is illegal and as a role model do not be surprised if she has some confusion about obeying rules

Only if the government is a parent and an adult is its child for that is the only applicability of such a 'rule' dictating what a person can or cannot consume.
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Msg: 434
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Posted: 4/7/2009 10:16:38 PM
dustie has left the building. Dear Heart, doing illegal drugs, do in fact make you a bad mother. Stand in line, your nominated for "Neglectful Mother of the Year". You need to go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass "GO", do not collect $200. Stupid people on here, with your fried out brains, and addictions, and forms of escapism. If life is so bad, and you need to get high to escape, It's time to rethink your situation, get an effing grip on reality. Leave the dope alone. Get a job, get a life, get a hobby. Those are not illegal alternatives. You break the law, they take your baby. "The Dingo ate your baby" stupid crap people try to pull to validate their weaknesses and failures.
Maybe the police have patrolled this site, and pinned OP. You reckon?
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Msg: 435
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 4/8/2009 12:44:40 PM
Kinda off topic

I glanced through AB 390 and read this paragraph. Read the second sentence. Do you think this means that one would not be able to cultivate it to make clothing? Do you think this is to protect cotton? I dont mean to go to conspiracy land here as I just want to clarify.

25400. For purposes of this chapter, "marijuana" means all parts
of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not; the seeds
thereof; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated
cannabis; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative,
mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds or resin. It does not
include the mature stalks of the plant, fiber produced from the
stalks, oil or cake made from the seeds of the plant, any other
compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of
the mature stalks (except the resin extracted therefrom), fiber, oil,
or cake, or the sterilized seed of the plant that is incapable of
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Msg: 436
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Posted: 4/8/2009 1:23:38 PM
in my opinion you sound like a wonderful mother and i feel that the man you mentioned was just being hateful because you wouldnt meet him
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Msg: 442
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 4/10/2009 12:40:04 AM
Well yes but I would have expressed it differently and not made the correlation with your child. Sorry he did that. I would just say no to you because its against the law.
 TOMic bomb
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Msg: 443
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 4/14/2009 6:37:42 AM
yes, you a very bad mother because you smoke marijuana. you're endangering their lives, they could be taken away from you, while you are stoned out of your gourd you are a brain addled mindless zombie and lastly marijuana use is unpariotic. it hurts our country and cost taxpayers money. dummy.
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Msg: 444
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 4/14/2009 7:28:34 AM
It doesn't make you a BAD mother, IMHO it does make you a bit irresponsible. The things you mention are normal, basic parenting and as such won't win you any awards. Some things are expected of parents.
The problem, again, in my opinion, is that we teach more by example than buy words alone. What's your example? It's ok to break the laws or rules you dissagree with?
I'll use my life as an example. I used to smoke up to 3 packs of cigs a day. I don't have to wonder why all 3 of my kids are smokers now do I? (please don't tell my ex I admit she was right!)
Or what of some one that tells their kids to be racialy tolerent, and then avoids interaction with people from different ethnicities?
Kids don't come with user or owners manuals, so outside of blatant neglect or abuse, no one should judge anyone elses parenting.

In response to smoking weed being unpatriotic and making you a mindless zombie, our last two presidents both have admitted drug use in their past and they both got elected, TWICE! and of course it made John Lennon a complete idiot! get a life.
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Msg: 447
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Posted: 4/15/2009 5:29:36 AM

ummm..its not ignorance that i judge people for doing drugs whilst bringning up a kid... more common sense than anything.. just because i don't touch the stuff and i judge people who break the law..ddoesn't make me ignorant.. just makes me a law abiding citizen lol.

It makes you a robot... Just because something is law doesn't make it's right! Would you're "opinion" change if the law changed? Right and wrong can be different than legal and illegal... :)
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Msg: 448
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Posted: 7/4/2009 2:30:04 PM
I have mixed feelings about the subject. Marijuana is far less dangerous than a lot of the legal controlled drugs out there like Oxy-Contin, and should be legalized for medical use ONLY!!!! As far as her being a bad mother. Well, as far as I'm concerned, anything that impairs your motor skills, or judgment while caring for a small child cant be good, and if this story began with her saying that while in her care the child was injured while she was high on marijuana ... all of you would be singing a different tune. Shame on you for telling her that it's ok!
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