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 Translation
Joined: 5/12/2008
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Good point NoseyNeighbor.

I usually ask a person which country they come from and go with that. I probably think differently than others because I have been to a few Asian countries and can usually note the differences.

But, the topic question did say ‘Who are Asians?’, so that is what I was basing my posts on. Asia is so vast that referring to people as Asian is like referring to them as Earthlings. A continent based description only really works with Australia, but even there, there are many differences, but the Country/ Continent name is the same.
 whitefether
Joined: 6/8/2008
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Posted: 7/13/2008 12:54:17 AM
I think of people from the MiddleEast as being Arab/Persian/Jewish; people from India as being Asian and people from China as being from the FarEast or Oriental. Far East and Oriental are obviously not PC anymore.


Sherry
 P1zzaman
Joined: 6/24/2008
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Posted: 7/13/2008 1:55:19 PM
Here this will answer your question:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fnG9wHCKN-c
 BigIrishLad
Joined: 2/17/2008
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Posted: 7/13/2008 3:54:49 PM
So, since Russia is so large, what would a Russian be known as? Asian or European?

Eurasian?

Anyway, every time I go to Ireland/England/Scotland, the first question I am asked is if I am from America.

I ask them to be more specific in their question, and they look at me as though I was daft.

I tell them I am North American....they then say...Yank or Canuck? I tell them I am Canadian, born in Ireland, and then for some strange reason, they treat me well after that. I hate to think how I would have been treated had I said I was from the USA.
 Friendlione
Joined: 6/23/2006
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Posted: 7/13/2008 4:14:04 PM
I've always hated the way people categorize things. "Asians" is a good example of what I’m talking about. Isn't Asia a continent??? A CONTINENT?! Therefore anyone from that continent regardless of appearance can appropriately be referred to as Asian. Iraq is in Asia, but what do we call a person from Iraq that comes here? Not Asian that's for sure. But if someone is from China… “Oh…ohhhh YOU’RE Asian.”

I'm gonna throw another one out there that I hate: African American. When dark-skinned EUROPEAN people come to America to visit, people see them and refer to them as African Americans quite often. WRONG! These people aren't even American. Why are you referring to them as African American? He's French for goodness sake. I don't care what color his skin is.

What do we call WHITE people born and raised in South Africa that immigrate to the U.S. and become naturalized citizens? Do we refer to these new citizens as African Americans? Of course, not! That would make too much sense. We just say they're White most of the time, while referring to Black Americans, most of which never having been to Africa or practicing African culture, as African Americans.

Finally, when someone born and raised in the U.S. is asked his or her nationality and answers, "Oh, I'm American," people will look at him or her as if they are on crack. "American? That's not a nationality." Oh it isn't? America is not a sovereign nation? American is not a nationality? "Okay, then I'm Asian." "There we go. Now THAT’S a nationality." WTF?! That's a freaking continent dumb@$$ not a nation.
The sad part is that these trends will exist for a very long time lol.
 Drackoe28
Joined: 3/4/2008
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Posted: 7/13/2008 4:24:19 PM
You guys are completely ignoring the Central Asian nations and I am quite sure they are all offended.
 DaveB951
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:45:16 PM
^^^^ they will get over it ....... lol
 lovlybetty
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:55:45 PM
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 LoonyTunz
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Posted: 7/13/2008 7:15:55 PM

Can a Canadian shed some insight as to where you would think someone is from, or descended from, when referred to as Asian?

Vancouver or Toronto?
Seriously though would Asian not just indicate "from some part of Asia", the same as South American could be Peruvian, Brazilian, Argentinian, and so on.
What difference does it make? Within Indian and Chinese cultures there are multiple sub-cultures and languages, so even nailing it down to a specific country doesn't tell you much at all until you speak with the person.
 DaveB951
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Posted: 7/13/2008 9:15:07 PM
Yea but if you really wanna split hairs..... we can go waaaaay waaaay back in time when the first humans originated out of Africa and slowly started to migrate...... so are we all not Africans ? I mean..... where does it begin and end ?

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 Translation
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Posted: 7/13/2008 9:26:35 PM

we can go waaaaay waaaay back in time when the first humans originated out of Africa and slowly started to migrate.

Oh sure, that’s what you were lead to believe. Some scholars are starting to think that those few skeletons that have been found are critters that actually migrated to what is now known as Africa. There is a lot of evidence that hominids really originated in Asia, which is in what is considered to be the eastern hemisphere, which is on planet earth.

But, don’t tell that to extra terrestrials, oh no, they will get offended and try to convince you that you are wrong.

Now, when I say originated in Asia, I am not talking about far eastern Asia, or even southern Asia, nope, that would be too presumptuous.
 DaveB951
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Posted: 7/13/2008 9:47:21 PM
Some scholars are starting to think that those few skeletons that have been found are critters that actually migrated to what is now known as Africa.

Yes, "some" scholars are "starting" to think that "maybe"........... but for now fossil and skeletal remains still overwhelmingly point to Africa as ground zero........

then again.... life began in the oceans as single cell ameobas.........lets face it............we`re all descendents of freaking algae goop ....... yup........ we`re all goops with slightly different eye shapes, facial structures, skin colors and hair types.........and all this time I thought I was caucasion...........Not to mention at one time there was only one land mass on the earth which eventually seperated over the ions to 7 different continents.......

Ya know.......... I just don`t know who or what I am anymore

Jeez...... Life was so simple before I read this thread..........

Peace
 Translation
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Posted: 7/13/2008 10:04:35 PM

life began in the oceans as single cell ameobas.

Oh sure, blame it all on the amoebas. There is also evidence that life began on Pangaea and then migrated into the seas. It’s true. Even the whale did it. The hippopotamus tried, but was a little scared, and now they hide their activity with their nocturnal carnivorous rampages across the land while during the day they look so sweet and innocent munching on plant crud. Talk about confused.

Coconuts also tried to migrate, but they couldn’t do it alone; the swallows gave up on them after the first couple of attempts. But not the European swallows, oh no, they are not migratory, must have been African swallows.
 pokerandpucks
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Posted: 7/13/2008 10:33:06 PM

But then, it is most likely that most Americans cannot tell you where Asia is on a world map.


From what I've heard, most Canadians, South Americans couldn't either, and most Europeans and Asians couldn't pick out Canada.

Ignorance and ethno-centrism is a world wide phenomenon.
 pokerandpucks
Joined: 5/20/2008
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Posted: 7/13/2008 10:39:48 PM

So, since Russia is so large, what would a Russian be known as? Asian or European?


Russians prefer to be called European. Most of the bigger cities are on the Euro side of the Urals, which is the dividing line between the continents.

Of course culturally they have nothing in common with the rest of Europe. Russia never had any contact with the Greeks or Romans, so they never had those traditions. If anything, they were more Norse, and they trace the first royal family's roots to some Norsemen that came down the rivers into the area. The Renaissance, which was a re-birth of the culture for Europe, was just the birth of the culture for the Russians.

The rest of Europe viewed them like the rich people in Malibu or Beverly Hills would probably view some redneck family that won $200 mil in the lottery and wanted to be just like their new neighbors.
 Friendlione
Joined: 6/23/2006
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Posted: 7/13/2008 10:55:46 PM
If someone is Russian then they're Russian. See how simple that is?

If someone is Chinese, is he or she also Asian? Here's a better question: who the %$#! cares? Just refer to him as being Chinese once this is discovered. It's not that difficult.

Within continents, we have these little things called countries or nations. People are often born in these smaller units, which makes it easier to identify nationality. See how that works? :) Why must things be so complicated?
 Translation
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Posted: 7/13/2008 11:08:19 PM

Russians prefer to be called European.

Oh boy, now I am confused about the Russians. I thought that they were originally from the Persian area, or whatever the Middle East area was at the time, and migrated north via the Caucasus Mountains. Also, Roman/Greek legends do tell of contact with the peoples of ‘the former USSR’, but most notably present day Georgia. What was it, hmm, oh yeah, Jason and the Argonauts. Georgia was supposed to be where they had to go to get the Golden Fleece. But, this does not deter the notion that later, during the dark ages, that the Norse did travel the rivers into the USSR region. Caucasians were known to be from India, up through Russia, and into Europe, but originally from the Persian area.

Note – I use the term Former USSR as a general regional area, since now the area is of too many countries to list here in one post.

According to history, it can be shown that most peoples did come from Asia, around the area of Persia. According to prehistory, bones and such, there were peoples from Africa and Indonesia, but that is very limited on findings, since most bones and artifacts get destroyed by other animals and critters and weather and decay rates. Only in certain conditions are remnants available for finding; hence the lack of proper determination that hominids came from Africa. That is only because Africa has some of the best conditions for remnants to be found in.
 Frisky Monkey
Joined: 6/30/2008
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Posted: 7/13/2008 11:52:55 PM
And I have a friend from Vladivostok but no one considers her Asian though that's totally the Asian part of Russia. Wait.....all of Russia is in Asia too.
 Frisky Monkey
Joined: 6/30/2008
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Posted: 7/13/2008 11:54:52 PM

You guys are completely ignoring the Central Asian nations and I am quite sure they are all offended.

Kazakhstan greatest country in the world.
All other countries are run by little girls.
Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium.
Other countries have inferior potassium.

Kazakhstan home of Tinshein swimming pool.
It’s length thirty meter and width six meter.
Filtration system a marvel to behold.
It remove 80 percent of human solid waste.
 Drackoe28
Joined: 3/4/2008
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Posted: 7/14/2008 12:17:52 AM
Russia actually has a lot in common with Europe. Hell they, were founded by Vikings and heavily influenced by Byzantium. Moscow was modeled as the "New Constantinople" or the New...New Rome. This is why they're Eastern Orthodox, a religion shared by Greece and some in the Balkans. It was also the predominate religion in places once controlled by Byzantine like Egypt and Turkey... though of course these are now mostly Islamic. When Byzantine fell, Russia essentially considered itself the successor state of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire. Consider that the word "Tsar" is derived from the Roman "Caesar." Russia architecture is similarly largely influenced by Byzantine architecture.

They are different in that they are neither Latin nor Germanic, which is what the rest of Europe primarily is. They're Slavic, which is like the red headed step child of European ethnic groups. Russia is the fusion of Slavic with Byzantine influence. Its not a surprise then that Russia is seen as non-European then, since the Slavs were of marginal importance throughout most of Europe's history, and the Byzantines ceased to exist as a nation half a millennium ago.

So Russia is European, but it frames is existence in terms in of opposition to the rest of Europe. This is probably because of its geographic isolation and long history of disorganization and relative backwardness - even the idea of a "Russian identity" was essentially a construct of Vladmir the Great's attempts at unification. There have been notable attempts at making Russia more European, as exemplified by the reign of Peter, wherein he did things like tax the wearing beards (a traditional Russian sign of manhood), establish a more Western capital in St. Petersburg (with an appropriately German suffix), and adopt European styles of dress and etiquette.

The biggest difference is probably the use of Cyrillic v. Roman lettering. So I suppose I'd put it this way: Russia is European, but not Western. Since most of Europe has styled itself as "Western", this leaves Russia as something of an aberration in comparison to those nations. It may be something else, but definitely not "Asian."
 rockchick24/7
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Posted: 7/14/2008 4:40:15 AM

1. The article is at odds with OP's assertion that UK people think of Asians as Pakistani/Indian. When in fact they do not. UK people think South Asians.


Yeah because wikipedia is ALWAYS correct!

I am from the UK and to me an Asian person means someone of Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi descent.

The term "Oriental" is used in the UK to describe those of Chinese, Japanese, Malaysian etc. descent.
 Friendlione
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Posted: 7/14/2008 6:38:44 AM

The term "Oriental" is used in the UK to describe those of Chinese, Japanese, Malaysian etc. descent.


Yeah. You try and call someone oriental here in the States these days and watch what happens :)
 LoonyTunz
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Posted: 7/14/2008 7:17:17 AM
^^^ That has always struck me as funny.
That part of Asia WAS known as the orient. Just as you see people ****footing around which is right when indicating a black/african person that you don't know well which is that persons preferred term.

"Mmmmm, who made this dish?"
"Phil did he's the oriental guy next to the patio"
"Well I'll have to go thank him and ask for the recipe"
Now if Phil is upset at being referred to as oriental, tough luck. Until the other person speaks to him and begins to know him as an individual it is about as disparaging a comment as "that guy with the red hair".
The intent behind it means more than the actual word.
I'll stick with "Asian" meaning being from any part of Asia.

P.S. You can call me North American, but not American
 Drackoe28
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Posted: 7/14/2008 8:34:46 AM
But the thing is Russia is hardly unique among European countries that are heavily influenced by extra-European cultures. Greece similarly heavily influenced by the East, as is much of the Balkans, due to the fact they were under Ottoman rule. Albania for example is majority Muslim. Yet no one ever argues that Greece is not European. Even now Turkey is arguing that it is European in tradition and thus has a place in the EU. If Turkey itself identifies as European, I have hard time believing Russia, founded by Vikings and majority Christian, isn't.

What it really points out are that a lot of these definitions are relatively arbitrary to begin with. This gets back to the original intent of the thread. The terms European, Asian an African are geographic and not cultural identifiers. Asian is a particularly useless demonym because much of the population has more in common with Europe and North Africa than East or Subcontinental Asia.

I always thought Oriental was a useful term for referring to those populations used Chinese characters and often practiced Buddhism, Taoism or Confucianism... but I was told it was offensive because it was also used to describe the Europeans's 'others.' But isn't that true of any of these terms we're throwing around here? Every person, and by virtue of that every population, defines themselves within relation to the 'others.'
 pokerandpucks
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Posted: 7/14/2008 8:48:56 AM

Greece similarly heavily influenced by the East


Classical Greece was not influenced by anyone. They were their own culture. They then influenced the Romans, who took most of their gods and renamed them. The Romans conquered a good share of Europe, and what they didn't conquer was influenced by the parts they did. After the fall of Rome, the Dark Ages came, then the enlightenment.

Russia had no idea that was happening. They first met the Greeks later during the Byzantine era, and that's when their Christian tradition started. Since they never fell under Greek and Roman influence, they never had a collapse of their culture, and therefore weren't affected by the dark ages. No dark ages means that the Enlightenment wasn't a re-birth of that tradition, and it left them playing catch up more than the rest of Europe. Russians consider themselves European because even though geographically most of the country is in Asia, their population centers, and the oldest cities that were always Russia, are in Europe.

Looking for similarities between everyone in Asia is like looking for similarities between people in the Americas. It's pointless. But people like to put everyone in neat little boxes, so it's going to continue.
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