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Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 2
Iraq War - Winning Isn't News Page 2 of 3    (1, 2, 3)
The mainstream media (MSM) in the US was quite complicit in banging the drum to invade Iraq, unlike foreign media. After seeing how much of a mistake that was, I think they have a "once bitten, twice shy" approach to the situation in Iraq.

And, of course, we know bad news and the sensational is what sells. The progress in Iraq is not exactly sensational right now. I think it will take an actual troop reduction for people to sit up and listen at this point. It is important to note that the MSM hasn't been reporting all the bad or disturbing news there is, either. It hasn't shown coffins being unloaded from cargo planes; it hasn't discussed the incredibly large number of Iraqi deaths; it hasn't emphasized the fact that there are as many private contractors as there are US troops; it hasn't mentioned the deaths of these contractors; it hasn't shown images or reported the awful numbers of all the maimed troops and civilians.

Then there's the fact that this is an election year with a downsliding economy, and almost all of the focus is on that. Iraq has gone largely ignored, be it good or bad news. Afghanistan has been far more ignored by not only the MSM but the Bush Administration as well. There was a time when Anna Nicole Smith was more important than either of these wars. Again, the sensational (and profitable) taking precedent.

We have a presidential candidate battle, a mortgage crisis, and spiking fuel prices. Polls show that the average American voter cares more about these things than Iraq or Afghanistan. Our own troops are being largely forgotten.

So, yes, one must often go to foreign media to get "the rest of the story," especially regarding international affairs. And that isn't news to some.
Joined: 6/4/2008
Msg: 4
Iraq War - Winning Isn't News
Posted: 7/17/2008 8:23:27 PM
Again ?

On May 1, 2003, President Bush landed on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln aboard an S-3B Viking jet, emerged from the aircraft in full flight gear, and proceeded to "press[] flesh," as The Washington Post put it, as he shook hands and hugged crew members in front of the cameras. Later that day, Bush delivered a nationally televised speech from the deck of the Abraham Lincoln in which he declared that "[m]ajor combat operations in Iraq have ended," all the while standing under a banner reading: "Mission Accomplished." Despite lingering questions over the continued violence in Iraq, the failure to locate weapons of mass destruction, and the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein, as well as evidence that Bush may have shirked his responsibilities in the Texas Air National Guard (TANG) during the Vietnam War, the print and televised media fawned over Bush's "grand entrance" and the image of Bush as the "jet pilot" and the "Fighter Dog."

see this mission accomplished was his arrogant way of stating that he duped the congress , got his illegal war against people who did nothing to deserve it and he had this huge banner on this carrier to show the world that he was the best con man in the world.
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 5
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Posted: 7/17/2008 8:35:17 PM

... AND their foreign debt of 7 Billion has been Waived.
They're sitting on all that oil over there, and their 7 Billion in debt needs to be waived? Say WHAT??????
Joined: 4/1/2006
Msg: 6
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Posted: 7/18/2008 12:42:20 AM


Not exactly independent media.


You mean the guys that didn't enter Iraq until after "mission accomplished"?

...having fled south into the countryside.

Yea...kinda like the Taliban....and what are they doing these days? Regrouping?

...floated the idea of a timetable...

Floated? LOL...he's demanding it!

...the media don't seem to consider this historic event a big story.

Do you know why? Maybe because it ain't over yet

The mantras of the daze is "the surge is working" ..."the surge worked"...

Well, if you consider building a giant concrete wall down the middle of mainstreet Baghdad...dividing it citizens....a success...then so be your rose coloured glasses.

Western journalists can't walk the streets of Baghdad like an Iraqi journalist can....
Joined: 7/5/2006
Msg: 7
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Posted: 7/18/2008 4:41:12 AM
This is not a war. It's an occupation. Period.
First to gain the ground, then annex the resources. Look at the oil companies
that won the latest contracts. A sad period for people who love the States and all
they originally stood for. A great constitution perverted by self-serving hacks
and political gamblers.

I'm so sorry that so much has been squandered to serve these morons goals.
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 9
Iraq War - Winning Isn't News
Posted: 7/18/2008 11:01:40 AM
Ask the Secretary of Defense before we invaded:
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 12
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Posted: 7/18/2008 11:53:16 AM

Hey Sandman,did you think that the surge naysayers would actually admit they may have been wrong?

Unfortunatly,the libs need Iraq to go south for their agenda to be accepted.

I also find it interesting the congress has a worse rep right now than G.B.What happened to the promises Nancy's group made when they got control of the house?

And we all know how practical Nancy is...

I could not have said it better myself. Finally, a rational thought on the matter.

Additionally, on this crap-hole of a Congress:

They have been screaming impeachment of Bush since he "stole" the 2000 election, defeating John Kerry in 2004 has made them rabid. They spend no time on anything except non-binding resolutions telling Bush what a jerk they think he is an questioning his staffers and such. The primary job of the legislative branch of government is to make law, launching senseless investigations which never lead anywhere is WAY down the list of their responsibilities. Oversight is a good thing, but the reason their approval ratings are somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% is because CONGRESS has done zippo! Pelosi has charged forward with an agenda of do-nothingness! If president Bush opened up the treasury tomorrow and told democrats they could have anything they wanted--no matter how harmful and awful it was, that would not be enough and he'd be berated by those arrogant snots.

I've got my issues with Bush, but for God's sake, Congress, DO SOMETHING DECENT!!

Joined: 4/9/2005
Msg: 22
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Posted: 7/18/2008 11:59:26 PM
What's to win? Seeing how they never invaded us. If you're talking "spoils of war" sure, we've won, well, the American big oil has. We'll still lose because of all the price gouging.

Oh, and letting our country invade, overthrow, and occupy a sovereign nation, then yeah, I guess we're 'winning.'

I see it as losing. Because in war, there are no winners, only those who lose the least.
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 26
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Posted: 7/19/2008 11:47:47 AM
"Pyrrhic victory" is NOT a synonym for "winning."

Although the voices of business interests selectively report or do not report casualties (and are so racist / xenophobic that they usually do not even consider Iraqi deaths and casualties worthy of coverage), there has not been a "stoppage of U.S. deaths," but a continuation of casualties, just at a temporary lower pace, especially with summer temperatures in that area frequently 100'F+.

Intolerable conditions create resistance, and sooner or later, as has happened in every occupied country, there will emerge a leadership to rally their countrymen
(and -women) to a fight for self-determination and against occupation.
There presently are no forces fighting the occupying foreign armies on the basis of a principled programme -- or any programme for that matter. Those forces' targets are more frequently religious rivals and/or civilians than the occupying soldiers. (Instead of appealing to the Iraqi public for recruiting to and building an organized resistance force, they attack those very people that could and should be their allies or those forces use individual self-sacrifice in tactics that are literally suicidal. Even a "successful" suicide bombing diminishes the numbers of one's side by at least one.)

THAT (minimal support because of lack of any attempt to appeal to working people) is the reason for a TEMPORARY decline in opposition forces in Iraq, NOT any military measures.

One Investor's Daily tool is learning to add (using computer, calculator, or taking off one socks). And a continual increase from the year's starting figure of approximately 4000 U.S. G.I. deaths is NOT "a stoppage." There's another "stoppage" that is non-existent: The end of lies printed in the media to justify continued / continuing intervention abroad by Washington and its allies.
Joined: 4/1/2006
Msg: 33
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Posted: 7/23/2008 11:54:36 PM

So, after all these side tracked posts...

Many of them are quoting you and offering a rebuttal. Not exactly side tracking...more like staying on topic.

...the conflict in Iraq

It's a WAR...not a "conflict". Let's at least agree on that point.

What is winning? What has been won?

Please define these terms.

They were able to count off the U.S. casualties each day...

Rightly so...Americans (like just about every other nation) care deeply for their armed forces.

...but forgot to report...

The number of Iraqi casualties.

...forgot to report the victory those soldiers fought so hard for.

"Mission Accomplished" was all over the news for weeks.

If one invades a country to "liberate" (dang, there's that nasty "liberal" root word again) it, then surely that liberation...that success...that freedom...will be defined by what the invaded countries peoples define it as.

How can a liberating invader define success?
Joined: 4/1/2006
Msg: 34
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Posted: 7/24/2008 12:06:28 AM

The American media has been against Bush since before he became president the first time. They were against this war. have a problem with short term memory loss. They were right on board from the get go...flags were waving and trumpets blaring.

Most Americans took their bait HOOK, LINE, and SINKER.

Indeed they did.

The American media has been lying ever since.

The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 39
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Posted: 7/24/2008 5:43:17 AM
Our surge, hasn't won anything. Violence is down in Iraq for three reasons:

1) we pay the Sunni insurgents to not attack us. We did that with the Taliban in Afganistan, and look how its working now--attacks are up. But, until that happens in Iraq, the Sunnis are attacking al Quada for us. why?

2) Shi'a attacks went down due to a ceasefire truce. Sunnis don't need AQI to attack the Shi'a anymore. The Shi'a are cleaning up the criminals running under their flag, but how long will that last?

3)Ethnic cleansing is nearly done. the best and the brightest are dead, or outside the country. and that's what the civil war was about. It wasn't really idealistic, that was the outsiders coming in. It was mostly, who's gonna run the country when the Americans go?
Joined: 7/7/2005
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/30/2008 3:05:55 PM
Regardless of what we think of this war, why it was initiated, and what it's led to for us in our economy and foreign relations... I think all of us want to see the best possible outcome after the fact for everybody. Especially for the Iraqis who have had to bear the brunt of the destruction and slow restoration of services.

All things considered, I don't think we can ever truly view it as a successful policy even if the circumstances were the result of nothing more sinister than crappy intelligence and the belief was that there truly was an imminent threat by Saddam. We can just hope for the best now.
Joined: 7/20/2008
Msg: 41
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Posted: 7/31/2008 8:51:30 AM

It's funny how the mainstream media doesn't cover this as news. We have to get the real story about the progress in Iraq from a foreign media source.

The war is won, the Iraqis feel so strongly that this is the case, that they themselves are asking for a timetable for withdrawal, AND their foreign debt of 7 Billion has been Waived. Which shows financial confidence in the country.

You would think that the same left wing media, NBC, CBS, ABC, who meticulously report each and every soldiers death. Forget to mention that the war is about over, and despite Barracks idea to have been withdrawn by now. The plan worked and Iraq is almost complete with it's benchmarks for success.

Why doesn't the media cover this story more? Why isn't it given the same dedication as each individual death count?

You would think that the stoppage of U.S. deaths and a reason and timetable to leave would be front page news for days and weeks to come. But all you hear is crickets.

Why is that?

"Why is that?" I don't know.. but we can spread the news as you are doing and it can't be ignored by the masses who are in the internet community. We can tell our friends and neighbors, call our local newspaper and your Congress members who we elected. We need a spokesperson who will garner media attention to report this "Win" not a celebrity but someone who is respected.. We owe it to the Troops to get this message out.
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