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 Dodger48
Joined: 4/28/2008
Msg: 123
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Anybody who is mental tough enough to go through 5 years in a prisoner of war camp and suffer no mental trauma has the best qualifications to prove he is mentally fit for the job. I think obama suffers from dementia now if he thinks any of his simplistic solutions will actually work.
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 124
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 4:27:08 PM


I think obama suffers from dementia now if he thinks any of his simplistic solutions will actually work.

anyone say "dimentia"?

McCain's the guy who's showing signs of dimentia, my friend. He's losing it when he gives speeches... it's very obvious. He has good days, but he has some really bad ones...
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 125
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 4:32:54 PM
I'm really reluctant to bash McCain on age, but....

He has certainly lost a step or two this year. He just doesn't come across as well, is clearly reading his speeches, and making tons of mistakes. Obviously this is as a result of the pressures of campaigning. He wasn't anything like this last year.

But the job of being President isn't much easier than running for it. I'm afraid the age issue is a valid one. He just doesn't have the reserves he had 8 years ago.
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 126
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 7:02:34 PM
McCain is doing just fine, and given the alternative, he's as perfect as we're going to get.
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
Msg: 127
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Posted: 7/31/2008 7:09:49 PM
Yeah, it would be horrible to have a Moderate, articulate, thoughtful, compassionate leader who is willing to stand up for what is right, even if he disagrees with the majority of his party (wiretapping). Who can admit when he needs more information (Iraq). who can generate crowds of adoring fans (200,000)!!!!!!!!
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
Msg: 129
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Posted: 7/31/2008 7:33:19 PM
What a coincidence, every time a person runs for president, he is suddenly voted the most liberal Senator, Governor, etc. It is a joke, he is NO WHERE NEAR THE MOST LIBERAL, though, I wish he was. Senator Ted Kennedy is such a good liberal that despite suffering from a brain tumor, he managed to go to work to cast a vote for a liberal bill on healthcare. If you believe that Obama is more liberal then Sen T Kennedy, I have ocean front property here to sell you!
 o76923
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 133
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 7:59:51 PM
Obama's stance on wiretapping, faith based initiatives, abortion, gay marriage, and healthcare are all more conservative than most democrats. He's ok with wiretapping if we use a special secret court first. He thinks that faith based initiatives should receive government funding (because religious orgs are good at finding out who is poor). He is actually pro life, but thinks the government should legislate to the people's will not his morals. He is opposed to gay marriage, he thinks it should be a state's issue but personally supports benefits through something like civil unions (this is exactly John McCain's position). And his healthcare plan doesn't involve anything socialist; he just wants it to be cheaper so people can buy it.

If you want to see what somebody who actually is super liberal (albeit, he's in the house) look at Dennis Kucinich. Abolish all wire tapping, amendment supporting abortion rights, amendment supporting gay marriage, a single-payer healthcare system. That's what a really liberal agenda is.

As far as the 5-years of torture argument is concerned. It's a bit silly. For starters, he can't remember his 5-years clearly anymore. On the news he confused the name of the sports teams in one of his major anecdotes about it and it took the media to offer him the correction. Besides, being in good mental shape over 50 years ago doesn't mean anything about today. 50 years ago Obama wasn't qualified to umm, well he wasn't born yet. But 40 years ago he wasn't qualified to drive a car, but today I'm pretty sure we can trust him with that. Alternatively 50 years from now, probability dictates that Obama will be dead, at which point I wouldn't cite his current mental state as proof he should run for president in 50 years.

His popular base isn't just in europe. He is actually beloved all over the world. In fact I remember hearing that he's more popular than the world leaders of a number of nations by their own nations populous. So yeah, maybe he could run for president in a dozen other countries and win. However, I don't think that other people liking him should mean we have to dislike him. There's also the fact that Obama does have large crowds appear at his large events. McCain prefers to pack people into smaller venues because he can't fill an arena.

As to the smileys, I honestly have no idea. Personally I think they should be disabled for anyone who has used more than 3 of them in a single message. Or at least we should find a way to directly inflect pain into the person who uses them. Maybe we can wrangle it into the next patriot act...
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 7/31/2008 8:02:33 PM
Wow, exceptional post. . .

Saved me so much time and effort, thanks!

I second the brilliant post above!
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 136
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 8:27:25 PM
I happen to do business with some people in their 70's who would very likely run circles around a lot of people who ridicule McCain for his age. What happened to the days when liberals claimed to be the protectors of senior citizens. Now, they mock them.

Off topic for a moment....yes, Obama gave a speech in Germany, where many thousands cheered for him. The last time a speech was given there with so many cheering was when Hitler spoke there.

In other news, Obama's welcome was not so warm in Israel, where the crowd chanted, "Israel is not for sale, Obama."

SD
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 137
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 8:33:25 PM

I happen to do business with some people in their 70's who would very likely run circles around a lot of people who ridicule McCain for his age.

This is true... In fact, I used to have a boss who was 70 and could dance rings around everyone until the bars closed up... and then got up at 7am to go to a buyer's show...

But, you're ignoring something. This is McCain. This is now. He's not like that.

He loses his train of thought in mid-sentence... he rambles on aimlessly.

He is not healthy. That's the bottom line.
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 139
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 8:46:37 PM
In 2004, Dems ran Kerry against Bush, all the while touting Kerry's military experience as a key asset toward being more qualified for office than Bush. Adding to that, they mocked Bush, for not even serving in the military. It was a huge part of the Dem campaign effort.

Now, suddenly, military experience isn't important, as they run a candidate with absolutely no such experience. Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? Obama already beat out the one Dem nom who had military experience. At least Hillary underwent sniper fire in a war zone. It isn't surprising that, given Obamas lack of experience in the military, Dems are relegated to downplaying McCain's. They are in desperation mode, as they were relegated to rooting against their own country in a war the prior president didn't have the moral courage to wage, even when he should have. I have sat and watched how they have spun themselves into a position where even Dem leadership (Kerry) has referred to our soldiers as terrorists. Not shocking, given how he spoke of soldiers he served next to, when he came home. These sorts of displays are the reason I sadly left the party, as it had been hijacked by people I see as hating America. Now, I truly hope that enough people see the party for what it has become...an agent, not of change, but of negativity and destruction.

With regards to people online diagnosing McCain's health.....so many internet doctors out here. Cracks me up.

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 ManeRider
Joined: 5/22/2005
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Posted: 7/31/2008 9:10:04 PM

In 2004, Dems ran Kerry against Bush, all the while touting Kerry's military experience as a key asset toward being more qualified for office than Bush. Adding to that, they mocked Bush, for not even serving in the military. It was a huge part of the Dem campaign effort.
Now, suddenly, military experience isn't important, as they run a candidate with absolutely no such experience. Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

The irony is, (This may come as a shock, but) military genius is not the only facet to running for such high office. Presidents have a world of military experts at their disposal, so that trump card doesn't really help us on immigration, economics, foreign affairs, gloabl warming, marriage (gay/civil unions), and a whole universe of other non-military issues. It is but one part of a much greater picture.

They are in desperation mode, as they were relegated to rooting against their own country in a war the prior president didn't have the moral courage to wage, even when he should have. ...//....Not shocking, given how he spoke of soldiers he served next to, when he came home. These sorts of displays are the reason I sadly left the party, as it had been hijacked by people I see as hating America. Now, I truly hope that enough people see the party for what it has become...an agent, not of change, but of negativity and destruction.
Funny that, as I see the republican party to be precise that... desperate. And it's rich to argue Kerry didn't have a place to argue against Bush or CHeney. Bush stayed stateside flying jets, while Kerry went overseas for 3 tours of Nam, and brought home 3 purple hearts, the last two tours, not required of his service. Cheney petitioned his Congressmen five (Yep, 5) times to avoid going overseas. So, big words against Kerry from two people who didn't have the courage to actually "get down" with the enemy.

With regards to people online diagnosing McCain's health.....so many internet doctors out here. Cracks me up.
One word;; Reagan.
There's going to be clear concern for someone 72 vs someone 45, from a physical health stance. It is smething that is clearly at McCain's disadvantage.
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 142
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 9:23:45 PM
I would care too, if that were true. Meantime, I care that McCain, although not my first choice for the job, has at least developed policies over the years.

I am still waiting to hear Obama's.

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 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 144
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 10:03:59 PM
Yeah....meanwhile, Obama is busy, visiting "all 57 states of America."

Oh, and he never heard any such racist comments from Wright.
Oh, and he doesn't let his kid listen to Ludacris' cRAP. Well.....oops.....there IS that interview, where he apparently forgot telling the interviewer that his youngest daughter knew all the lyrics of a Ludacris song, where women are referred to as "****es and ho's". Oops. I could go on....

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 o76923
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 148
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 10:26:27 PM
I just find it funny that when liberals cite McCain consistently making the same errors in policy, the R's come back with one mistaken quote and questioning his parenting skills.

I mean if you think it's dangerous that he's a black man and he lets his family listen to rap music, that's fine. You're welcome to say that. But, it's really not much of a defense of McCain. And putting the two side-by-side like that actually helps our argument alot.

As to the issue of military experience between McCain and Kerry, somebody seems to be missing a few things. Kerry ran on a platform that included policies as well as his military service. McCain is running on nothing but his military service and attacking Obama. It's almost like his strategists planned to face Clinton and decided, screw coming up with a new plan.

And we aren't attacking McCain's age. We are attacking when he grew up, his mental deficiencies, and his deteriorating health. I would be worried about a candidate who didn't understand globalization, the internet, or the falling of the iron curtain regardless of that candidates age. I would worry about any candidate who has cancer. I would worry about any candidate who is confused about what he says from one minute to the next. And I'd also be concerned about any candidate who got so bitter he'd compare his opponent to Hitler, sneer at reporters who ask him questions he doesn't like, or complain about how the media hates him when they gloss over so many of his short-comings.
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 149
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 10:36:07 PM
Funny. I don't recall saying anything about Obama being black. Is this more victocrat posing?

And, "we aren't attacking McCain's age". Funny, the OP subject is, "McCain and Age". LOL. Good God, man!

And, someone compared someone to Hitler! Oh no! Bush has been called Hitler by those on the left, perhaps even more than Hitler himself. Get over it.

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 o76923
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 150
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 10:39:33 PM
If attacking him for listening to rap music isn't attacking him for being black, what is it then?

And we say age because it's easier than saying incompetence, generational gap, memory problems, and other problems. His age is the indirect cause of them all, so it's easier to just say age.

And there might be people on the left who compare bush to hitler. However, none of them were his opposition when running for president. Neither Kerry nor Gore ever ran ads comparing Hitler to Bush. McCain on the other hand, has...
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 152
McCain and Age
Posted: 7/31/2008 10:49:52 PM
Allow me to spell this out more clearly....

The reason that cRAP is an issue, is because OBAMA made it one. He gave an interview decrying its destructive lyrics, etc. He did this, as a Presidential Candidate. So, it is fair game. He even mentioned that he doesn't allow his kids to listen to it.

Then, another interview, which he apparently had forgotten he had given, revealed that he does indeed allow his kids to listen to it. He himself admitted having Ludacris music on his personal IPOD. He also pointed out that his youngest daughter likes to sing a particular song by Luda, which is littered with references to women as ****es and ho's.

And, so, I made the reference to it to illustrate two things:

1) When presenting McCain "gaffs", expect to see a response showing that Obama makes them, as well.
2) Obama is either lying, or he forgot what he had said prior....perhaps it isn't McCain we should worry about being senile. Obama seems to be heading there at a very early age. Maybe we should be worried at his health.
3) With regards to republican who would compare a democrat to Hitler, get over it. Dems have been doing it for the past 8 years. The pendulum has swung. Enjoy it.

SD
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 154
McCain and Age
Posted: 8/1/2008 12:15:58 AM
Not surprising you miss the point.
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 155
McCain and Age
Posted: 8/1/2008 6:15:54 AM
I've seen both of them screw up while talking. So what does Obama have to blame it on? Has it occurred to you that they both might just be TIRED and sleep deprived? Taking a plane to three or four cities a day, and getting 4 hours of sleep a night for months at a time is TIRING -- doesn't matter how young or old you are.

As far as rap music goes, for all I know there might be a little being played in McCain's house as well. He does have a 16-year old black daughter that he adopted from Bangladesh when she was a baby. Cindy brought back two babies, one was adopted to a friend of theirs, but they took care of the hospital bills for BOTH.

The difference between McCain and Obama, is that McCain doesn't go shooting off his mouth about his personal life, especially when he's been heroic or has done a good deed. This is why many in these forums go shooting off THEIR mouths, that McCain never did anything heroic while he was a POW. McCain would never point out how wrong this is because, he's from an era when humility meant something. He apologizes for any mistakes in his life, tries to do right, but is too much of a gentleman to point out errors when his character is questioned.

A 72-year old man who can keep going on a campaign with little sleep IS in good shape. I haven't seen him since the start of the campaign, but did see him just before. He's got a lot of energy, and there is no impediment due to his physical or mental condition for him to assume the role of President.

His cancer has been in remissioin for 6 years, and the only physical defect he has is that he can't raise his arms above shoulder level. I don't seem to remember that being any bar to being President.

I'm not 100 percent in line with McCain's politics, but then I'm not 100 percent in line with Obama's politics. Since I have to choose, I pick the one with the experience.

McCain 08!
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 158
McCain and Age
Posted: 8/1/2008 10:48:04 AM
How utterly silly. All these "internet doctors" diagnosing McCain.

The guy is in his early 70's....he isn't Methuselah. When did liberals go from pretending to honor senior citizens to just outright belittling them? Was it after McCain won the gop spot or before?

I have seen many gaffs from Obama. Should we be concerned that he is losing his mind, at such a young age. Hey, African American males have a very high rate of stroke, heart attack, high blood pressure, etc. Should we be concerned he might croak, if elected? How about sickle cell anemia? Should we worry about that, too?

I am no fan of McCain, but the arguments I am hearing about his age have to be the most ridiculous thing I think I have heard during this campaign, and they illustrate how truly desperate that some on the left have become.

Amazing.
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 159
McCain and Age
Posted: 8/1/2008 10:50:48 AM


The guy is in his early 70's....he isn't Methuselah.

Are you not reading?
We're not arguing with you about his age. It's about the obvious onset of senility symptoms. He's losing his thought train.
If he was 35, I'd say the same thing about any person I've seen to have the episodes he's had lately.
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 162
McCain and Age
Posted: 8/1/2008 11:09:19 AM

We mustn't forget that it was his continued imparied judgement that led to him 'misunderstand' orders and to being shot down in 'nam.


Oh really? Sources please?

FWIW, this is his shootdown description from official sources:


LtCdr. John S. McCain III was a pilot assigned to Attack Squadron 163 onboard the aircraft carrier USS ORISKANY (CVA-34). On October 26, 1967, he launched in his A4E "Skyhawk" attack aircraft as the number three aircraft in the first division of a strike group against the Hanoi Thermal Power Plant.


The flight met with considerable resistance in the form of anti-aircraft fire and surface-to-air missiles (SAM) approaching the target. As McCain rolled into his dive, his aircraft was observed by his wingman to take a direct hit from anti-aircraft fire and to burst into flames. McCain was able to eject from his crippled aircraft and made brief emergency contact before his parachute landed in a nearby lake in Hanoi. He was captured immediately and confined in the Hanoi prison system, as was verified by Radio Hanoi broadcasts and later information gathered during his years of imprisonment.
McCain was severely injured, having broken both arms and his right leg, and his strength in coping through his recouperation was inspiring to many of his fellow POWs.


http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/m/m125.htm

And here's McCain's description of the incident, published in 1973:

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html
 Strongdad
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 163
McCain and Age
Posted: 8/1/2008 11:10:46 AM
Both of these guys would be a one term candidate.

And, not discussing his age?? Perhaps the mental lapses are on the internet, as the subject line on my screen says "McCain and Age".

Again, I am wondering who amongst our posters has diagnosed McCain, and where the medical degree came from.
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 164
McCain and Age
Posted: 8/1/2008 11:22:25 AM
Jeez... we heard his responses and we're trying to give him the benefit of the doubt by diagnosing dimentia. Are you saying he's just stupid, then?

He really went off the deep end last week trying to defend his memory lapse about the chronology of the Anbar Awakening and the Surge... he must have said absolutely nothing in trying to confuse the interviewer and the viewer for the reason they "misunderstood" what he was saying, when he was absolutely incorrect in his original statement...
In fact, lately, I see him giving short answers to interviewers and kind of slinking away... as if he's afraid to talk for too long.
Too late. He's been found out.
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