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 h0ldfast
Joined: 12/19/2006
Msg: 19
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China revokes visa of gold medalist, Darfur activist CheekPage 2 of 2    (1, 2)
If an athlete wants to go to China to compete in the Olympics, China has the obligation to allow the athlete in; however, if an activist wants to enter China to stir up trouble, as Cheek seems intent to do, then the Chinese government has the right to decide whether or not to allow this person to enter its sovereign territory. Athletes are guests. If they abuse the hospitality of their host, they don't deserve to be there.

a building that had been in a family's possesion for some say three hounderd years

China is a communist country. All private property was expropriated by the Party decades ago. Under their system of government, private citizens don't have the same rights as we have in the West.

to say it hurts athletes to not participate is an argument I don't buy

Possibly, you don't understand the importance of sport in the lives of athletes, especially Olympic athletes. Olympians train their whole lives for a shot at competing at this unique, historic, highly prestigious international event. It's a huge sacrifice for them to give it up.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 21
China revokes visa of gold medalist, Darfur activist Cheek
Posted: 8/7/2008 4:57:18 AM

The interesting thing is that today is Hiroshima Day, August 6, 2008. 63 years ago today, at 8:15am on August 6, 1945, the US was responsible for the deaths of between 90,000 and 140,000 Japanese civilians. As of today, the death toll ( due to immediate loss of life and the long drawn out radiation impacts) stands at 242,437. About 270,000 A-Bomb affected people still live in Hiroshima today. The second round of terror was unleashed 3 days later, August 9, 2008, with the exploding of a Plutonium bomb called Fat Man, directly above the Urakami Cathedral, annihilating the city of Nagasaki. Does here some people really understand and care about the human rights?


Yes, there are American people who care deeply about human rights.

However, we need to go back to what happened on December 7, 1941. On that day, the Imperial Japanese Navy attacked the United States Navy, an agency of the United States Government. In doing that, they attacked the United States Government itself, and specifically, they attacked the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government.

The Japanese activity on December 7, 1941 was a declaration of war against the United States, and as such, the entire nation of Japan became the enemies of the United States Government.

The Japanese continued their "don't give a hoot about Americans" by flying their airplanes into U.S. Naval ships because they were bent on destroying the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Government.

Fat Man and Little Boy abruptly ended Japaneses aggression against the United States Government, and I opine that those bombs were not meant to unleash terror against Japan but were meant to seek out, make contact with, and completely destroy the enemies of the United States Government. Japan had already proved (at that time) to be the enemy of the United States Government, and Japan was defeated by the United States Government when the Government used Fat Man and Little Boy against them.
 bigshrek
Joined: 11/15/2007
Msg: 22
China revokes visa of gold medalist, Darfur activist Cheek
Posted: 8/7/2008 6:28:17 AM
Many countries now have nuclear weapons, the US remains the only one to actually use them in a war. We didn't want to waste hundreds of thousands of OUR young men on trying to take the island of Japan when we could just drop a couple of nukes and resolve the situation...to OUR & the Chinese's benefit.

Communism, or more correctly, Socialism, is something that some americans (like Hillary Clinton) are looking into (well, at least the dumb liberal side). Yet they don't realize that with those forms of government, personal property is owned only by the Benevolence of The Government. If the government's needs outweigh your own, you loose.

Great example of this would be NAS Pensacola. After decades of Naval Flight Officer training, during the 1990's the Navy began receiveing hundreds of calls complaining about the noise of trainer jets flying over land that Originally was protected by Escambia County from purchase, but had been sold and Residential Neighborhoods built there. To most people, living on the backside of a NAVAL AIR BASE IN A FLIGHT PATH THAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR 70 YEARS, it should have been obvious that there would be a lot of Flight Operations going on...but they bought anyway...then started complaining about the noise. Ok, now if that had have been China, they would have either told the people to just shut the bleep up or bulldozed the homes of the offenders. In America, they Shut Down Flight Training completely....now the base that was originally known as the "Cradle of Naval Aviation" now has absolutely NOTHING to do with training officers for anything as they not only removed Naval Flight Training, but the Naval Officer's Training School (see "Officer & A Gentleman" movie) which had been there for over 100 Years!

All in all the Chinese system of government, while rather draconic by today's standards, is a whole lot NICER than it was just a few hundred years ago. It's also a heck of a lot more efficient in dealing with certain problems. Just because they actualy use Might Makes Right and keep the peasants down doesn't mean they're wrong...Nietzche would have been Proud.



Now as to boycotting the Olympics HURTING the athletes...if you had payed attention to what happened back in the 80's when we boycotted the Moscow Olympics, it basically DESTROYED a lot of young people's careers, because by the time the Olympics rolled around again, many of those atheletes were injured/too old to continue to compete...training for the olympics is a time & body intensive HARD life, and if you miss the window for being at the PEAK of your career, by the time 4 more years rolls by, you've shot your wad...you're DONE.

You want to change China's politics?? Move a business there. Look at how Coke, McDonald's, Starbucks, and others have put US business in place and are giving the Chinese people a really good look at how wonderful Capitalism is. Those businesses are operating with American Rules and slightly higher than Chinese Pay Scales...which gives those workers an upgrade compared to how they would normally live...THAT is how you initiate change. You show people a good life, and they start modifying things & attitudes around themselves. In another 50 years, Communism will have left the world stage as a government form for any but the smallest countries, which are the only places it can truly work the way it's supposed to because of relative physics. But by God, Canada & the UK are sure trying to make Socialism work!! They're doomed to utter failure too, but it's the plan they're working with at present.

China is doing the right thing by selling weapons...because if they weren't, WE in the USA would be selling them M-16's at inflated prices...bet on it. We've got more arms merchants who deal under the wire than you can shake a stick at. But to be honest, the AK is a MUCH better weapon for rough conditions than the M-16...for the M-16 jams if you fart at it wrong...it only takes a few grains of sand/dirt to cause it NOT to be able to fire...it's more accurate, but you have to keep it spotless for it to work and it's underpowered, it's designed to Wound rather than Kill. So for most people, they prefer the AK's because they'll go anywhere/do anything and kill more because of the heavier firepower. Ask our troops in Iraq/Afghanistan why they're requesting M-14's to replace their M-16's...they KNOW

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 Eric2008
Joined: 2/17/2008
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China revokes visa of gold medalist, Darfur activist Cheek
Posted: 8/10/2008 8:38:42 PM
I think that maybe our original poster did not realize that Mr.Cheek is RETIRED from sports his only aim in going to China was to protest China's role in Darfur.Mr. Cheek's only reason for going to China was to get thrown in jail for an illegal protest.The Chinese government probably saved Mr. Cheek about ten years of his life in a very nasty prison.
Now as to why we shouldn't ask athletes to boycott the Olympics.I will use Michael Phelps as an example. If he boycotted the Olympics it would cost him approximately 6 MILLION dollars US,I realize the dollar doesn't buy what it used to but that is still a significant chunk of change.
 huixin
Joined: 11/22/2007
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China revokes visa of gold medalist, Darfur activist Cheek
Posted: 8/10/2008 9:15:47 PM
"""""the olympics in China - is a total farce !!!
their human rights violations, Tibet, pollution, treatment of athletes, propaganda, restrictions on visitors, the taking of water away from Chinese farmers, traffic...""""
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restriction of visa ?what a naive saying!!!! we also meet different barrir ofrestriction of visa . the permission of gettingUS Visa is 16% .
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