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 readmyprofilefirst
Joined: 5/7/2006
Msg: 103
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...and girls/women can wear clothes that are "in", no matter what, yes there are no laws for looking, but any decent man would look only at age appropriate and there is no reason for oggling women of any age when you are in a serious relationship unless you are in an open one.

When I was 16, even the 24 year old guys were gross old men and I wanted to puke when I noticed them looking at me inappropriately. ...and they thought they were hot and had a chance??--only when they drug you!!
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 105
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Posted: 8/11/2008 6:14:01 AM
fishbill: "As a mostly normal man, I look at beautiful women of all ages. but if they are my neighbors daughters, relatives, people I know, I don't look at them like that. It is hard to resist looking or staring some times, but that's what normal men must do."

So essentially what you are saying, is you would have done the same thing as the guy you're calling a perv....except, rather than the neighbor girl, you'd have been checking out her friend. Thanks for your honesty.




~ds~
 HuneyIAmHome
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 107
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Posted: 8/11/2008 7:13:57 AM
I wonder what Hugh Hefner would say? Or what his stable of "young things" would say?
 HuneyIAmHome
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 110
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Posted: 8/11/2008 7:42:26 AM
They are GIRLS not women and this man is a pervert. Anyway even if they were women and not girls ,for a man I am with to openly right there in front of me stop and start gawking at a woman he thinks is hot would very quickly find himself dumped. It's rude and completely disrespectful.

What's disrespectful is a woman who's so close minded to reality and human nature and gives him a hard time because he looked at them. Who knows why she did it? Maybe she was having a PMS day.

This has been going on for as long as man has walked this Earth. It's universal to almost all men. Yet the women on this forum claim it's unnatural. How's that for their inability to recognize reality??? And these are the ones who are (mostly) looking to date men. WOW!
 platypus_man
Joined: 8/29/2007
Msg: 113
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Posted: 8/11/2008 7:58:57 AM

Young girls have a sensitive psyche, undeveloped to the mature way and being in contact with older people who see them as a sexual objects can damage their psyche.

A 'sensitive psyche'; yeah, they break boys of their own ages hearts, and demonstrate obvious sexual attraction behavior in front of older men, then blame us when we respond? Bull$hit. Oh, yeah, they're real sensitive. And again what are classified as 'younger'? Older people who see them as sexual objects? Hey, they see themselves as sexual objects, who am I to interfere with that? Kids are taught sex education in grade school now. Pre-pubescent females are wearing thongs and halter tops (with nothing to put in the halters, by the way), they're taught to use their sexuality to influence men when they are still at a very early age. By the time their bodies have fully developed secondary sexual characteristics (and they are flaunting them), don't let anyone kid you, they are very aware of how they are affecting the men around them. And as far as I'm concerned, if they're physically sexually developed, and dress the part (after all, those clothes didn't 'magically' appear on them, females are VERY choosy, and very aware of what they wear), then they are 'fair game' for 'viewing purposes'.
 Fried Chicken
Joined: 8/4/2008
Msg: 114
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Posted: 8/11/2008 8:26:34 AM
He's not being a perv. He's merely doing as nature intended : checking out hot fertile doable women.
 HarDayKnight
Joined: 12/27/2007
Msg: 123
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Posted: 8/11/2008 12:32:33 PM
LOL I got it.^^^


Yay Me!








Do I get a cookie?
 Fried Chicken
Joined: 8/4/2008
Msg: 129
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Posted: 8/11/2008 1:14:23 PM
Tracy Lords was the Hottest Porn star of the mid 80s... Lots of men ogled her. Suddenly, they found out she was 15-16 during the making of those shows. Did that change the fact that she's hot? No, it merely made her illegal.
 kane stays
Joined: 6/8/2008
Msg: 134
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Posted: 8/11/2008 1:59:20 PM
It just seems to be that the man is saying to the wife,You're feelings don't count. Right or wrong they are her feelings and for him to dismiss them as though they are nothing is to not very caring. It is about respect and he shows none.That would make me inclined to think he probably doesn't respect her in other matters .
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 135
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Posted: 8/11/2008 1:59:34 PM
^^^ OP: "Men are always portrayed as the weaker one in the relationship. We need women to tell us how to dress, how to do laundry, how to cook or even tell us the directions when we're going to our momma's house. They think we know nothing. But the minute we stand up for ourselves then we're being argumentative and we don't respect them."

Guess I'll be single forever then....cuz' I won't be in another relationship where my partner doesn't value me or my opinion (2-way street there, too, BTW). If he's fed up and brow beaten in the relationship to the point he feels he can no longer talk to her, he needs to grow a pair and leave her. If she is fed up with his lack of respect in the relationship and feels she has to constantly hen peck and monitor his every move, she needs to dump his butt. Why go on pretending they care for each other. Whatever.




~ds~
 UR 2 girls away from 3sum
Joined: 12/23/2007
Msg: 136
Gee - being a dumba$$ troll, I sure hope the woman who caught me lookin sees she's wrong!!!!!
Posted: 8/11/2008 2:04:26 PM

Ok, as a natural man he looks at them walk past his car and then on down to their house.
Man - can you pick your eyeballs up off the floor? Maybe it's not at whom you look, but how you look. Watch out, at 43, you could require CPR!!
 platypus_man
Joined: 8/29/2007
Msg: 146
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Posted: 8/12/2008 4:40:28 AM

They don't really know the impact of what their essence actually is.


Um, but you also say:


Yeah, they know they are cute, they are hot


So, you're also saying that yes, they do know? Which is it?
Lots of young women enjoy getting attention from guys, which is the major reason they dress so provocatively. To scream 'No fair', because they weren't trying to attract 'everyone', well, then, they should wear a sign stating exactly who they are dressing for. Again, men are being blamed for women expecting us to read their minds. I'm thinking, maybe printed on the back of those hot pink Victoria Secret shorts, "This a$$ to be viewed by Jimmie Smith who lives at 123 main street only. All others must avert their eyes or be d@mned to he11 forever!". Yeah, that should do it!
 ashmanonar
Joined: 2/24/2007
Msg: 148
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Posted: 8/12/2008 2:13:01 PM

giggleparts, from one guy to another, I feel your pain. Been there, done that... still have the occasional echo of my former self-loathing. Don't be so hard on yourself, dude... it ain't worth it.

Like giggleparts, I can pride myself on never having raped, pillaged or plundered, but have had my thoughts. And that's all they are. Can't say I've had thoughts of underage women... well, maybe when I was of the same age.

But your thoughts aren't what makes you. More your actions. If I could be judged by my thoughts alone, I'd be a murderer, a rapist and all sorts of other things. Why? I've thought of doing harm to someone, had thoughts about a woman that wasn't consensual (women in magazines and the like)... but I didn't act on them.

"Who knows wat evil lurks in the heart of men?" Well, apparently it's whatever we deem fit to determine for ourselves is in there. Talk about putting words in my mouth; now we have those willing to put thoughts in my mind, regardless of whether they're real or not.

On that note, I'm off to bed. I'm tired of this low-level male bashing/ male phobia thread.


I thought I should quote this, because it seems to bring most everything to light that I think is important here.

There's an entire branch of psychology started by a character named Jung, which studies the impulse control parts of us. We all have such thoughts; it's inevitable. Humans are morbid, lusty, murderous critters in our own heads.

The real key to this is controlling those thoughts. If our archetypal man (the 30/40ish married man) didn't get up, run over, pick up both girls under his arms, then take them somewhere and rape them...he most likely isn't going to.

He was looking because...well, because humans are visual creatures. The whole concept of design (graphic, artistic, interior, etc) proves this. The home improvement industry exists entirely to fill this human need to order our environment in a pleasing way.

Humans look at other humans because they're interesting looking. Men look at women (unless they're homosexual, in which case they look at other men) because women are inherently attractive to heterosexual men. A 16 year old girl (and I want to hammer down the point that it's REALLY hard to tell ages; I've met women who are in their 20's who are mistaken for 16 all the time, and I've met women who were 16 or 17 that didn't have to show their ID's in bars, because they're taken for 20's. Same for men.) is, on average, most of the way through puberty, and thus has developed her primary and secondary sexual characteristics. Men see this, and the unconscious part of their minds reads them as sexually mature, even if they're not "legal."

So our archetypal man looks. He may be noticing how far they've grown (especially if they've been neighbors for several years), he may be reminded of someone he used to know, and is taken back in nostalgia with that thought; he may even think they're attractive, and is thinking those little dirty thoughts that he wouldn't actually indulge in.

Point is; unless he did go run over and kidnap them, all he's doing is looking. Nothing is genuinely hurt by a look, except a suspicious wife's pride.

So everybody who's been raging about this archetypal guy being perverted and sick; take a chill pill.
 OutMind
Joined: 2/13/2007
Msg: 150
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Posted: 8/12/2008 2:41:20 PM

Hellllllllooooo OP - 16 years old? that is just sick.


Totally disagree. At that age they are about to reach their sexual prime and are pretty representative of half the photos you find in a magazine like Vogue or even Cosmo. So, does looking at the girls in Cosmo make you a perb? I don't think so.
 rpxtu
Joined: 7/16/2008
Msg: 152
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Posted: 8/12/2008 2:56:31 PM
The fact of the matter is most women don't want their man looking at any other women young or old! They also will set them selfs up to be the judge and jury of what another person is looking at and how long they looked. If a man puts up with this he may as well be in jail.
 OutMind
Joined: 2/13/2007
Msg: 153
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Posted: 8/12/2008 2:56:51 PM

He looked, that's all. I;m sure you've looked at a few women and then when you found out how old they were you probably said to yourself, "I'd still hit that." Again, you probably said it to yourself. But does that make it wrong? No, it just makes it a thought.


Funny, I have not read through all the post but it seems that many women are enraged and think the guy is a perb, while most men are going there's nothing wrong. I go to a public pool with my gf and kids and it's amazing how sexually promiscuous some of these little girls are. To the point that you actually have to look away because they are so blunt-in-your-face.
 supernovastunnah
Joined: 4/26/2008
Msg: 156
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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:15:22 PM
I think any guy that says hes never looked at a girl thats too young for him and had sexual thoughts is a liar ....men are attracted to younger women ...if the girls were like 12 or something i could see the issue but come on....theres a difference between looking and touching and doing ....
 ManeRider
Joined: 5/22/2005
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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:51:40 PM

Just looking does not make you a pervert , but as I have previously stated if you are openly leering, especially when you are with you significant other , it is disprespectful. Have a little respect and consideration for the feelings of the person you are with and be discreet with your looks

What appears evident to me, through all of this is the fact that men, of whatever age, are shunned by looking at other women, women meaning, of age.
I have families that live all around me, most of whom have very young children, girls and boys. I can sit on my porch and watch kids play all day. Doesn't make me a perv, it means I'm enjoying the life I have, and that includes young children playing. I have 2 daughters, 15 & 19, so I not only appreciate their protection, I appreciate that others enjoy seeing them doing things they enjoy doing.
The problem is, to a woman as illustrated in the OP, she may already have issues of her own, and while she may not mind her husband watching kids at play next door, whilest he washed the car (or whatever), the fact that 2 girls pass by who are of age bothers her. If she were fair, she might have let him know she was watching but since she did not, it seems she set him up so she could unleash her anger and jealously. She stews silently watching, fuming that he's giving them his attention. Then she goes in for the kill when the episode ends, following him to the garage to take up her agendas.
I've read it throughout this thread, mothers saying how vile men are for leering at their daughters, and how gross they say their daughters feel. It isn't like the man encouraged them over, made any lewd remarks, or attempted to follow them. And it is really sad that this view of western women, that those women coming into adulthood are off-limits for viewing- nay, a creepy thing to do. Mothers who may be jealous of the attention their daughters get encourage this behavior in them. In most other countries, a stable, older man is the type guy a family HOPES their daughter lands. A recent trip to Costa Rica would clarify this for all those opposed to older men and younger women. There was a couple running a very nice restaurant, she was maybe 25, her husband at least 50, but they were very pleasantly content. But that's much more common than here. Here in the US, it's taboo for people to date outside an age range of 3-5 yrs. Yet in Europe, central and south americas, and beyond, it's perfectly normal for the age ranges to differ, even decades apart, yet we persecute men here if they watch young women walking by. It's bile, pure and simple. WHat was discussed in the OP is innocent, and all the overzealous ones who would criticize these normal human actions need a reality check. It all falls back to women being jealous, just like the wife in the OP. Society has norms, and this is well within those social norms, like it or not. If it weren't, we'd have laws enacted to "protect" the innocent.
 platypus_man
Joined: 8/29/2007
Msg: 159
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:30:45 AM

I was just ABOUT to make a similiar comparison about looking at a hot girl in real life as opposed to on TV! I mean, for all those who said the guy was wrong for looking at those girls..would it have made a difference if he was looking at them on TV as opposed to "real life"? would it?..probably not.

Actually, you have a very good point here. Back in the seventies, during NFL games, between plays the cameras would pan to the cheerleaders often. Then in the eighties, some woman's groups made a stink, they didn't want anyone to be seeing other attractive females, and justified their anger by saying it was a show for 'viewing football', not the cheerleaders; they pressured the networks by staging boycotts of products advertised. Guess what, the networks caved in. Now, you're lucky if you see the cheerleaders at all. All because of jealous women, no other possible explanation. Now, there was certainly no harm going on; the cheerleaders were all 'of age'. Yet, many women felt threatened anyway, they just can't stand the possibility that 'their man' might find another woman attractive.
 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
Msg: 160
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Posted: 8/13/2008 6:53:19 AM
You sure got that right Spoken for..
There is a 15 year old that went with some friends and I this last weekend to see a laser light show at Stone mountain. We spent the weekend at a Gals house there in Atlanta.
During this time I talked to this young gal several times .
She is not a child at all and is talking about getting married to her boyfriend when she turns 16.
She is already having sex and this isn't her first boyfriend either.
She would be very offended if anyone tried to treat her like a child.

My grandmother married my grandfather when she was 14. That was over 80 years ago.
There never was laws against that until after I was born.
I think these laws are stupid and is one of the reasons there are so many women that sleep around.
They got used to sleeping around before they were old enough to marry according to these stupid laws.
 OutMind
Joined: 2/13/2007
Msg: 161
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Posted: 8/13/2008 7:00:01 AM

4 months ago my second son married her


Dude, what an awesome story.
 JustMary65
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 162
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Posted: 8/13/2008 7:40:51 AM
OP-

As a mother of a young daughter who is only 15 and quite curvy-seeing grown men stare at her is offensive to me. A glance is one thing-staring is quite another. I realize men like to check out the female form-but to stare at teenagers is a bit over the top. I'm not suggesting your 'friend' in question is a deviant, but the fact he watched them walk home is more than a glance. The other thing is-if he realized his wife was watching him on the porch sounds like he did it to UPSET her-which she was.

We all look at folks when we are out and about, but I've had the experience where grown men are oogling over my daughter because she happens to be on the busty side. I honestly wanted to reach out and biff em upside their heads. A glance-okay-all out staring and drooling-is too much in my opinion. Tactless and a bit on the sickening side!! Appreciating the human form on equal levels is ONE thing-but me thinks your 'friend' and his wife have more issues than his wandering eyes.
 littleaudrey
Joined: 1/17/2008
Msg: 164
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Posted: 8/13/2008 10:03:53 AM
It's not really the looking at younger girls thing that is wrong here.

It's the horrible way the man in your anecdote speaks to his wife and the fact that he openly looks at other females, PERIOD, knowing that she is there looking at him.

The fact that the "other females" here are only 16 is only the icing on this jerk's cake.
 rpxtu
Joined: 7/16/2008
Msg: 165
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Posted: 8/13/2008 10:49:31 AM
Really a person female or male can look at anyone or thing they want too while out and about they never made a law against it yet and they never will.
 OutMind
Joined: 2/13/2007
Msg: 168
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Posted: 8/13/2008 12:22:35 PM

These girls knew they were hot too. They actually initiated the flirting.


You sick puppy. Hehehehe.

Also many of these girls like to flirt with older guys. So I know what you are talking about.
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