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 Ahoytheredave
Joined: 8/29/2006
Msg: 104
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Must be college educated?Page 2 of 8    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
In GENERAL terms, a college education indicates a greater ability for intelligent conversation and ambition to improve one's self. Like all generalities, there are exceptions both ways. People often like to share stories they can relate to. Many college experiences are full of interesting stories. Mine certainly were. If I were pressured to be silent about that part of my life because it made someone feel inferior, then something would be missing.
 Invictus01
Joined: 2/20/2008
Msg: 105
Must be college educated?
Posted: 8/18/2008 8:30:50 PM


Well OP,
Some people want a partner with the closed mind, unbridled arrogance and know- it- all- attitude that a college education brings. Sorry.

Maybe, if you want a partner who's a snotty sh!t, you should go to college, also.




College education? For all that? Please... These days college education is nothing.
 Urbanessa
Joined: 8/15/2007
Msg: 107
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Posted: 8/21/2008 6:17:16 AM

I've seen women's profiles with that same requirement here and on other sites. That's just the type of women I would avoid that are that judgeMENTAL.

Actually, it is the type of women that has preferences. Nothing wrong with that.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
Msg: 110
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Must be college educated?
Posted: 8/21/2008 6:55:00 AM

Okay....so some guy had some criteria that you didn't meet. How is that different from the shopping lists that women make up??? It's not like some college educated women are going to be hooking up with a longshoreman anytime soon......

I did that work shortly after leaving school.... & have a college education (altho I didn't at the time) so you comment should read "Guys currently working on the docks"
 whytwater
Joined: 8/7/2008
Msg: 111
Must be college educated?
Posted: 8/21/2008 8:14:45 AM
OP's points are mostly well taken. Albert Einstein quit high school, so his chances of meeting a match on this or any other site would be -0-. I have some higher ed tickets, but I never build fences with them. And I considered 90% of the people I went to school with, college and beyond, to be undatable (lol- yeah, I'm a former Seinfeld junkie). Had to summon some objectivity to assess the men (do try to put myself in your shoes sometimes, ladies, lol). You might draw some conclusions that an earned degree shows discipline, dedication, etc., but that would probably be misleading if you were trying to measure my qualities. I jumped those hurdles cuz mostly because I wanted to preserve my life options, my future freedom, because I didn't know what was coming any more than anyone else does. I don't regret the education, and a lot of it was interesting at the time, and helpful now. But you're right, you don't need anybody to punch your ticket to appreciate whatever comes your way, or to understand it, or especially, to know how to play well with others.
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 112
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Posted: 8/21/2008 12:20:02 PM
^^^from what I've read of Einstein's biography, he was a notoriously crappy husband, so he's not helping your argument.

It also doesn't help your argument that he did complete his degree in Zurich. He also taught all around there and worked in a patent office in Bern all the while continuing to publish formal scholarship and work/study informally with many of the leading scientists of his day.

He never earned a degree in America, and when he first immigrated, his English was poor, but, as it turns out, addequate thinking can be done in German, too.
 whytwater
Joined: 8/7/2008
Msg: 113
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Posted: 8/22/2008 7:16:05 PM
Wait, don't tell me, your hair is blond, right? The man was committed to his work, so yeah, a lousy husband, but the divorce occurred decades before his death. You think he was just coasting for those post-divorce years! Do you have anything to back up your bs about there being some question about his driving force? He got zip from, and gave zip to, his wife, and divorce was inevitable.
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 114
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Posted: 8/23/2008 6:20:22 PM
Hmmm. Interesting. My blonde hair still doesn't explain how Einstein GRADUATED from the Polytechnik Institute in Zurich. (Graduated, as in, had a degree).
 spiderette
Joined: 6/28/2008
Msg: 115
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Posted: 8/23/2008 6:25:27 PM
I don't know how men feel about it, but I'm just not attracted to men who don't have a lot (and I mean beyond college) of education. Just doesn't do it for me.
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 117
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Posted: 8/23/2008 9:03:40 PM
Oh, snap Mish Man!

And don't forget, "iowadoc" may act as if having a "good job" is preferable in his mind to having an education, yet he works in the "medical profession," he's nicknamed himself "doc" and odds are, he isn't one.

Maybe there's an iowa surgeon on line, who can remove that chip from iowadoc's shoulder?
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 121
Must be college educated?
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:07:51 AM
I like em dumb... that way I can keep several going at once...
 o76923
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 122
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Posted: 8/25/2008 9:14:01 AM
Alot of people here have been seeming to say that you don't have to go to college to prove that you are smart.

However, going to college with the intent of grad school proves that you are smart, dedicated, and have some desire to keep learning. On top of that, anyone working towards doctoral work in a field other than medicine or law is doing so pretty much purely for a love of learning. Outside law and health-care, there isn't an appreciable difference in pay-grade, hours, quality of work, or ease of application. So you either have to be an ego maniac who just wants to be called doctor, or you have to have a genuine love of learning.

That love of learning is what I'm looking for. It's why I am alot more cautious of someone who doesn't have college listed without a good explanation.
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 123
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Posted: 8/25/2008 9:28:04 AM

However, going to college with the intent of grad school proves that you are smart, dedicated, and have some desire to keep learning.


Wow... is that the type of "proof" they require in schools these days?
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 124
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Posted: 8/25/2008 12:33:29 PM
^^^^The word "prove" has several meanings:

1archaic : to learn or find out by experience
2 a: to test the truth, validity, or genuineness of b: to test the worth or quality of; specifically : to compare against a standard —sometimes used with up or out c: to check the correctness of (as an arithmetic result)
3 a: to establish the existence, truth, or validity of (as by evidence or logic) b: to demonstrate as having a particular quality or worth
4: to show (oneself) to be worthy or capable


Try inserting #4 in the above and reading the post again.
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 125
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Posted: 8/25/2008 2:14:59 PM
OK, let's try it.

"However, going to college with the intent of grad school shows that you are worthy or capable, that you are smart, dedicated, and have some desire to keep learning. "

Well, the sentence works better. Still not true though. And no, I don't believe that's the meaning our friend was going for... (I think #3) but I could be wrong... there's a first for everything.
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 126
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Posted: 8/25/2008 3:39:48 PM
Pete,

Nice job of editing that sentence.
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 127
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Posted: 8/25/2008 3:56:19 PM

Just because someone's been to college (graduated) doesn't mean they aren't a moron.


If they go to Oxford, are they Oxymorons?
 o76923
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 128
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Posted: 8/25/2008 4:28:45 PM
I'm actually a fan of the edit job on the sentence too, thanks pete.

Also, zopz, you are trying to claim that because the converse of a statement is false, the original statement is false. Actually, the converse of a true statement isn't always true.

It is possible to be smart and never come within 50 miles of a classroom. However, grad schools don't just hand out masters degrees like toilet paper (yet). I honestly do not believe it is possible to get a degree from a grad school without hard work and intelligence. I also believe that if you are willing to go to school for an extra couple years to get a doctoral that it shows a desire to learn. 2 years of working your ass off for a reward that boils down to an average increase in income of less than $5k just doesn't seem worth it to me. So, I'm assuming that they do it for a love of learning.

None of this is to say that you can't have a desire to learn without going to college. It's just that you have to show me that you have that desire to learn, whereas someone who is on a grad school trek has already sufficiently demonstrated it to me.
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 129
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Posted: 8/25/2008 5:29:08 PM
Wasn't it Mark Twain that said something like "I never let schooling get in the way of my education"...


2 years of working your ass off for a reward that boils down to an average increase in income of less than $5k just doesn't seem worth it to me. So, I'm assuming that they do it for a love of learning.


Wouldn't that be "proof" that they're idiots?
 o76923
Joined: 11/3/2007
Msg: 130
Must be college educated?
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:06:13 PM
I never said anything about wanting a partner who was good with money. I just want someone that will keep me intellectually stimulated while we're stuck in debtor's prison.
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 131
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Posted: 8/25/2008 10:07:57 PM
What makes you believe other viewpoints necessarily have validity in them? Just curious... as I'm sure you can tell... I've mostly been asking questions. - that's how we unwashed masses learn things... well, that and watching our cell mates pile boxes up to get the banana.
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 132
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Posted: 8/26/2008 9:34:53 AM
Just because it is a viewpoint other than yours, or other than mine, for example, it does not necessarily mean it has validity. Not all viewpoints do. However, many valid viewpoints on this issue have been made on this thread, for both sides of the issue.


Wouldn't that be an opinion?


Being able to recognize which viewpoints have and and do not have validity: primarily valid arugments are based on logic, reasoning and evidence.


I agree!


I believe an intelligent person is able to see and accept that any issue has more than one valid aspect to it. That is, nothing is black and white; everything is complex and has many facets. Being able to recognize, appreciate, understand and respect the varying sides of any issue is, to me, an indication of intelligence.


I agree with that too. However, the "validity" of the expression that "one must go to school in order to be educated" or "intelligent" (in another thread) is what I'm questioning... you see... I question the primary statement made in the OP. So naturally, it would seem that no "valid" viewpoints from opposing sides are being taken objectively - since the premise that one must be college educated to be intelligent (e.g. date-worthy for someone who is also college educated) is what is indeed being discussed here.
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 133
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Posted: 8/26/2008 9:39:13 AM
BTW, another question: Has anyone debated/expressed to anyone's satisfaction that a college education is required for or even an indicator of intelligence - and that the lack of a college education is an indicator of the lack of intelligence?
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 134
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Posted: 8/26/2008 11:07:53 AM
I don't think anyone is trying to win an argument here, just stating their own preferences. The people who read the thread will probably not all go register for college, nor will they drop out based on the opinions in this thread.

It's just a sampling of some people's views so that, whatever your view point is, you can see which viewpoints are the same or compatible with your own.

For me, I prefer a college educated man. I tend more toward a guy with a scientific background than anything else, even though I do not have a science degree. There is a style of approaching issues and thinking about the world that I find is a nice compliment to my style. Now, is every guy with a PhD in some scientific area a genius? No. Are they all compatible with me? Also no. Do they make a ton of money? Definitely no. But when I find a guy with such a background and we do click, we seem to enjoy a general harmony that lasts a long time and it's not filled with endless nit-picky arguments designed to constantly show how smart they are.

Everyone on here has a different ideal in mind. Sharing our specific, personal ideals is just a way to break the monotony of useless generalizations about what guys, generally, think women, generally are looking for in a man (or vice-versa).
 Pete73052
Joined: 1/29/2006
Msg: 136
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Posted: 8/26/2008 12:43:40 PM
It's just a sampling of some people's views so that, whatever your view point is, you can see which viewpoints are the same or compatible with your own.


I'm sorry... it sounds to me, then, that this should have been a poll question. If everyone's views are stuck where they are, and it's just a matter of weighing in - college or no college, then why discuss any of this?

Maybe it's a product of not being college educated, but I haven't become stuck in my views yet... how about you?
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