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 Ready4SomethingFun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 1453
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Wow. I smell a bit of flame baiting on this one. ^^^^^^


And Obama can't utter a sentence without 3 pauses and 4 uumms. I wouldn't call that a polished speaker.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 1454
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Posted: 9/24/2008 10:05:33 PM

well then apparently I am smarter than the average Joe since I had you figured out so quickly.
You know, the person I would choose to run a company would be decisive, a leader, somone people could respect and want to work hard for and with, someone with strong moral convictions, if he or she happened to have a degree from Harvard, bonus, but not my top priority. I don't believe that having a college degree makes you equipped to run a government either, experience does, and frankly I think life experience is much more important.


Not if that experience shows you to be out of touch with those of us who are 'average'.
Not if that experience shows that you've focused on helping cronyism flourish.
Not if that experience shows a preference for helping the rich get richer.
Not if that experience shows that your 'moral convictions' stopped just short of your marriage vows.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 1455
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Posted: 9/24/2008 10:20:20 PM

The difference here is that the above quote is just the posters opinion.

The facts i've stated are provable facts.

I know that facts can be considered the dark side to some. But the truth isn't that bad, come on over.

We've got cookies!!!


Actually, if you take a look at McCain's track record--it's all over this board--you'll see that, more than mere opinion, what I posted is based on fact.
Nothing about the truth is dark, to me--which is why I've done the reasearch and decided to vote Democratic this year.

Keep the cookies; they'll taste great with the purple kool-aid.
 bliss serendipity
Joined: 12/27/2006
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:27:43 AM
Well Rayzrsharp and others, wonder why this is happening:

"http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/24/103618/252

Goodbye Posse Comitatus: Army Begins Permanent "Dwell Time" Missions Oct 1
by thisniss

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 0718 AM PDT

According to the September 8 Army Times, the Army will deploy its first ever full-time combat unit within the borders of the United States, starting October 1. While troops have previously been mobilized within the US, as they were to help in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, employing combat troops in any extended capacity to serve as domestic law enforcement is in open violation of the Posse Comitatus Act as it has been historically interpreted from its passage in 1878 until its dismantling under the Bush Administration.

Still, there has not been a full-scale deployment of troops within the borders of the United States since the end of the Reconstruction. This 130-year restriction on the use of military for civilian policing will end on October 1, 2008. As noted in the Army Times article:
thisniss's diary :: ::

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.
Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

The article does not state the reason for the deployment, the reason for the date (Oct 1) or length (1 year) of the deployment, nor the reason that this particular brigade was selected. It does state, however, that another unit will replace the 1st BCT after it finishes its deployment, and that the "dwell time mission" is expected to become a permanent one:

"Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future," said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. "Now, the plan is to assign a force every year."

While the "dwell time mission" will be trained for certain peace time tasks (a la Katrina clean-up), it is clear from the article that a number of their duties will include tasks traditionally assigned to state and local law enforcement - a clear violation of Posse Comitatus. The article makes multiple references to "Homeland Security" type scenarios like response to terrorist attacks, weapons of mass destruction, etc. But there are also numerous references to "crowd control" type duties, and one officer describes training to use tasers.
The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

To my knowledge, there has been NO coverage of this in any traditional media. Nor has there been any justification for what looks like the action of a rogue President teetering on the verge of enforcing Martial Law. I encourage everyone to write their elected representatives to ask for an accounting.

I realize that there are "bigger" stories filling the news cycle, but I feel this is worth discussing. Perhaps I am being paranoid (feel free to tell me so in comments), but isn't there something wrong when we start using our military as a force for policing our own citizenry?"

Bliss
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 1457
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Posted: 9/25/2008 1:04:34 AM

You know, the person I would choose to run a company would be decisive, a leader, somone people could respect and want to work hard for and with, someone with strong moral convictions, if he or she happened to have a degree from Harvard, bonus, but not my top priority
Clearly rules out Mccain and Palin hard to respect a womanizing aduterer witha noted bad temper which seems to rule out moral convictions....when words dont meet up to actions and deeds there seems to be very little conviction. Likewise when someone uses position for personal vendettas and fairness and morals take a back seat to religous stance and religious politics.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1458
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Posted: 9/25/2008 7:22:41 AM
BLISSS.... that's kinda scary. What the hell is happening to this country? Boy George Bush did a number!
 spitfire6844
Joined: 6/30/2007
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Posted: 9/25/2008 7:28:47 AM

I am curious as to what the BHO supports think, as to why Obama refuses to do multiple televised debates?


Obama already arranged with the Commission on Presidential Debates to have three televised debates with McCain. That was taken care of in the summertime. If you're talking about McCain's last-minute, impulsive requests for joint town-hall meetings: the answer is that Obama already had his campaign schedule mapped out. You act like Obama was sitting around with nothing to do all summer, and no campaign schedule of his own for the Fall. Don't you realize that Obama's campaign had already leased venues all over the country for his own appearances months in advance? Why should he have changed all that just to accommodate McCain? Obama was doing his own appearances and town-hall meetings to get his own message out. He doesn't work for McCain, so there was no reason for him to factor himself into McCain's campaign plans. It's a ridiculous suggestion.
 spitfire6844
Joined: 6/30/2007
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Posted: 9/25/2008 9:20:38 AM

This was hardly last minute, as the request for 10, yes that's TEN debates, by McCain to Obama was rejected by Obama, well before he agreed to only 3 debates.


Yes, the request was at the last minute, and the suggested venues would have been in front of McCain-friendly crowds in an effort to boost McCain. Furthermore, McCain's request was for 10 town-hall meeting formats. Those are not debates---they are Q&A sessions with pre-selected audiences. In those cases, the audiences would have been McCain audiences. Why would Obama cancel ten of his own appearances in order to appear with McCain? (You do realize that Obama had his own Fall campaign schedule set up when the McCain request was made, right?) We certainly can't blame McCain for trying that political stunt; but, as was stated earlier, it's not up to Obama to help McCain perform in his own campaign.

Three televised debates are enough for both candidates to tell the American people what they plan to do and what they're about.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1461
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Posted: 9/25/2008 10:01:03 AM
Rick... seriously, let me ask you a question. Lets see how fair we can all be. And I'm totally serious about this. I asked another poster this and he has yet to respond with anything so I'll ask you as well. Would you list ALLLLL the lies John McCain has told during this election and I'll list ALLLL the lies Obama has told. WE can both go to factcheck.org and get the information WE NEED. I'm specifically asking you do this because its honest and fair. And you've been taking a beating (unfairly) by myself and others. And it gives both of us and others a chance to put ourselves in the other person shoes if for only a moment. I'm willing are you? If you aren't just say your aren't and I'll move on. But in the spirit of honest debate, lets switch sides and list all the lies each candidate has told to date. I'll list the lies of the candidate I'm supporting (Obama) and you list the lies of the candidate YOUR supporting (McCain). By doing this no one on these boards can question your integrity because it will have shown your willingness to look at the positives AND negatives of the candidate for which you support. And the same goes for me as well. So whats up?
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1462
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Posted: 9/25/2008 11:04:19 AM
SANDERICK....YOU MISSED MY POINT! I said for YOU to post McCAINS LIES!! I'll post Obama's. What about my post was not clear to you? I want YOU to post lies about MCCAIN! I'll POST the lies about Obama! Your ducking bro. And your showing your ass. This is very simple to do. I asked another supporter of McCain and he did the same thing you did. ONCE AGAIN. Go to factcheck.org. OR any place you want and find LIES about YOUR CANDIDATE JOHN MCCAIN. And in FAIRNESS, I'll post ALLL the lies OBAMA has told in this campaign. Quit ducking bro. This is easy.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1463
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:32:35 PM
OKAY.. SERIOUSLY... did anyone see this? This is Sarah Palin on her foreign policy experience with Katie Couric. This is truly, truly sad! And McCain supporters DONT SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS CHOICE AS VP?!! You guys are actually COMFORTABLE with this woman being a HEART BEAT away from the presidency?!!! PLEASE WATCH. Scroll to the video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/palin-talks-russia-with-k_n_129318.html

Absolutely astonishing. I'd love to see ANY SUPPORTER of McCain actually try and defend this. THIS IS why she is kept from speaking to reporters!! NO WONDER McCain wants to postpone the VP debates! There is NO POSSIBLE WAY she could even come remotely close to competing with BIDEN in a debate. NO POSSIBLE WAY!

I actually feel sorry for her. Does she know what she got herself into? Is McCain truly thinking country first here?!
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1464
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Posted: 9/25/2008 1:20:27 PM
RICK I give up with you... if you have a problem with my source than go to

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4477318n#ccmm

and see the whole interview. Dude, wake up. Picking McCain, is picking Palin. But, trying to have ANY meaningful discussion with you is moot at this point. I guess there's nothing McCain can SAY or DO that will keep you from voting for him. I guess that's why his poll numbers are dropping FAST. AND he's beginning to lose in states that are TRADITIONALLY RED! Such as Virginia. But, again, the truth means nothing to you so at this point. I give up responding to your asinine uninformed, bigoted posts.

NOTE to JOHN MCCAIN: Quit insulting YOUR SUPPORTERS. They are NOT IDIOTS!
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1465
Genius!
Posted: 9/25/2008 4:14:58 PM
DANCE is right... just ignore SANDERICK! He REFUSES over and over and over to address anything specifically. So just ignore him. Back to relevant issues... what did some of you think of PALINS response to having foreign policy experience because she can see Russia from Alaska?
 Bluesman2008
Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 1466
Genius!
Posted: 9/25/2008 4:26:41 PM
sand, like all the other neocon ditto-heads all pull the same tired old response to any question involving actual facts (remember, they're like Bush - not "fact checkers") they resort to the exact same ploy. I call it the "republican shuffle". It's a knee-jerk dance they do in order to avoid reality and close off discourse.

When faced with a question, they ALWAY attack and mock the messenger all the time feigning phony righteous indignation over one thing or another as a distraction. This (as they are told) accomplishes two things: (a) puts the other side on the immediate defensive and (b) obviates the necessity to respond to the substance of the question. It's clever but, in the long run, scores zero points. But do keep it up sand. It's quite entertaining exposing your nonsense every time you do it. It's as predictable as the setting sun and equally illuminating.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1467
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Posted: 9/25/2008 4:38:42 PM
HARLIEGAL.... give it up. This guy is CLUELESS. Don't respond to him. It'll be like chasing your tail. Some people want to see things ONE WAY because it makes them FEEL better. The only interest they have in truth is the truth THEY WANT TO SEE. If it doesn't support their VIEW of things then it's BS. You can provide proof, after proof, after proof and they just ignore it as if its not there. Literally. Since I've been coming to these boards just about EVERY supporter of McCain says the EXACT same thing over and over and over. Despite being provide links to refute their claims. Hell, EVEN when it comes out of the mouth of their CANDIDATE they just simply pass it off as if this person didn't say it. I've asked this question a long time ago "does the GOP send out talking points to all those registered as republicans, to say in the event they are actually challenged about IMPORTANT issues?" There's a shell game going on and the benefactors are the GOP. Should McCain make it into the white house and this country collapses, as horrible as this may sound... we'll ALLL KNOW exactly where to place the blame... ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S LAP!

Again, IGNORE SANDERICK and all those who show KNOW propensity to listen to or debate truth.
 zabet
Joined: 10/27/2007
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Posted: 9/25/2008 4:51:20 PM
A little while ago I saw a small segment of Couric's interview of Palin. Couric asked her to explain why she thinks it's important that Alaska is next to Russia. Palin's response was utterly pathetic, so much os that I almost felt sorry for her.

Then I saw a McCain ad that said Obama plans to tax our savings accounts!
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1469
Genius!
Posted: 9/25/2008 5:05:39 PM
NICE ONE SKYBLUEJEEP... but now your credibility is being questioned. Please don't tell me you actually AGREE with Sanderick? And if you do, WHY? And be very careful, because I WILL point out YOUR bigotry TOO. Man of God or NOT!
 spitfire6844
Joined: 6/30/2007
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Posted: 9/25/2008 6:04:41 PM

Notice that the venues would be worked out by BOTH campaigns, so as to not make it biased one way or another


Again, Sanderick:

There was no point in Obama changing his Summer and Fall campaign plans to accommodate McCain's campaign. McCain did want the first suggested town-hall meeting to take place at New York's Federal Hall, and he also put forth suggestions for several other venues with which his campaign had coordinated. McCain publicly named venues which had been coordinated. So, your statement that the "venues would be worked out by both campaigns" isn't true. McCain already knew where he wanted many of these town-hall meetings to occur before he extended the "offer".

It wouldn't have made sense for Obama to assist with McCain's campaign plans. It's ridiculous. Obama had his own scheduled appearances and his own campaign to run. They are competing for the Presidency, not working in tandem for it.

The debates coordinated with the Commission on Presidential Debates have been formally agreed to by both campaigns in writing. McCain would be welching on his commitment if he backs out of Friday's debate now. He already committed to the debates in writing. He needs to follow through.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1471
Genius!
Posted: 9/25/2008 6:22:43 PM
SKYBLUEJEEP... see, how hard was that? Even though your reasoning is seriously flawed in MY OPINION, at least you stated your position clear and concise. It's your view and I can't argue with that. Now regarding your assertion of me being sent by GOD to smite the bigots of the world... um... not exactly. I WISH that were my role. I'd surely REVEL in it but sorry, my calling is LA LA land making movies. But your post did make me smile. And smiling can't be all bad. So thanks!
 Bluesman2008
Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 1472
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Posted: 9/25/2008 10:30:12 PM

McCain has been experienced and been around for a thousand years and he's seen it all. That counts majorly in my books. He seems sensible. He isn't a blowhard. And I really don't think he's going to croak in 48 months.


There's an intelligent assessment if I ever heard one. He "seems sensible"? What the hell does that mean? He isn't a blowhard? Have you ever heard him speak without starting every sentence with "my friends" like a freaking robot; his slavish revelations about those 5 years of captivity? That's all he's got going for him and that's only for the sympathy vote. What about his SUBSTANCE? What about his POLICIES? What about his JUDGMENT? What about the fact that he changes his positions on everything more often than I change my underwear? You don't think he's going to croak? Where did you get your crytal ball? What is your "thinking" based on? Anything?

What about the fact that he supported this illegal war in Iraq when the vast majority of American now realize it was bogus?

What about his voting AGAINST a ban on torture? (Something, maybe the ONE thing, he does know something about).

What about the fact that he has historically supported every deregulation scheme that's come down the pike leading to a bankrupt business system that the taxpayers will have to pay dearly for decades?

How about some substance instead of fuzzy warm bullshit that says nothing?
 spitfire6844
Joined: 6/30/2007
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Posted: 9/26/2008 8:28:35 AM
The Couric interview was a disaster, just like the Gibson interview and the Hannity interview were both unflattering to Sarah. She comes across like a 44-year-old Miss Wasilla beauty queen contestant:


Couric: Can you give some examples where Senator McCain tried to address the current economic crisis?

Palin: I will find them, and I will bring them to you!

LOL
 designingwoman
Joined: 9/4/2005
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~Couric interview
Posted: 9/26/2008 12:52:44 PM
Palin is scary stuff indeed.

Judgement is more crucial than experience, in many ways. Some people may have alot of experience but sorely lack common sense. Also some others may have the experience but not the right temperament for the job. I believe that while McCain has more experience (on paper) he lacks common sense and does not have the right temperament for the job. He is prone to making rash decisions, which could have disastrous consequences for us all. His choice of Sarah Palin shows very poor judgement. Sarah Palin is a joke, a sick one at that, who could never be ready to take over for the Presidency should McCain be incapacitated (a very likely prospect, given his age). McCain shows a callous disregard for our country by choosing such an ill prepared person for his running mate. God forbid if she ever becomes President!

Obama, on the other hand, may have less experience on paper, but he has common sense and the right temperament for the job. He listens, is careful in his decision making, and shows excellent judgement in choosing Joe Biden for his running mate. Joe Biden is a good and honorable man whose international experience will serve Obama very well. They work well together, and heaven forbid if Obama had a heart attack, Biden would be ready to take over at a moment's notice without so much as a bump. Obama also shows his love and respect for our country by choosing a running mate who can take over if need be, and one whose experience in international affairs nicely balances Obama's domestic experience.

Integrity is very important to me, as well. McCain has been lying in the campaign about a variety of things, and his lack of integrity is a big turnoff for me. Sarah Palin does not have integrity either. She has lied repeatedly about the Bridge to Nowhere for example. On the other hand, both Obama and Biden are men of integrity, good family men and are ready to lead our country back to prosperity.

Using Obama's middle name is a way to try to scare people into thinking he is a Muslim when he is not. It is sick and depraved to do this, and does show an element of bigotry when one does this. People who are not racists don't need to drag out the middle name to bring attention to his ethnicity. Obama will be a great president, and Joe Biden will make a great vice president. Frankly, I don't give a hoot what Obama looks like. He will get the job done right, and that's all that counts with me.

I have the audacity for hope for a better America, and will proudly cast my vote for Obama/Biden in November!!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 1475
Conservatives think Palin should step down
Posted: 9/26/2008 3:14:27 PM

Obama kept saying that this is something that the next President will have to deal with, then in another breath he criticizes McCain for going to Washington to deal with it. It would seem to me that a candidate that may have to deal with this problem if elected President would want to be involved in such an important situation that is affecting the country.

You can debate till your blue in the face but debating and acting to solve the problem are two different things. McCain called this one right, get involved that way you know what your dealing with if your elected President.


Just curious....how did he get involved? He announced he was stopping campaigning - then went on CBS in New York to be interviewed about how he wasn't campaigning; then went to a fundraiser in New York; then went to bed. Arrived in Washington after a deal had been struck; met with House Republicans who then quashed the deal. Went to a meeting at the White House where Obama was also present.

Obama seems able to actually do more than one thing at a time.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1476
Conservatives think Palin should step down
Posted: 9/26/2008 3:43:24 PM
GUYS... Responding to SANDERICK is POINTLESS. Let it go. In his world right is wrong and wrong is right. NOTHING McCain does is wrong, miscalculated, ever a lie, or random. Everything JOHN MCCAIN does to SANDERICK is BRILLIANT! And everything Obama does is a TOTAL CONTRADICTION no matter what. If Obama said he sang Mary had a little lamb to his daughter, Sanderick would ACCUSE Obama of Lampooning Mary, the mother of Jesus. So, responding to any of his posts are pointless and futile. Back on topic...

I think McCain has a few more tricks up his sleeve regarding Palin. It's becoming more and more obvious AMONGST CONSERVATIVES that she is not fit to be a VP. She's scaring them big time. That being said, I think probably just before next weeks debate OR shortly after, she will step down for family reasons. Giving John a 2nd CHANCE at a new running mate. Probably someone who the GOP is comfortable with. It MIGHT be GULIANI. He's AWFUL! I doubt it would be ROMNEY because he's mormon. And NO WAY will the Christian right VOTE in a mormon. LONG SHOT could be Fred Thompson. Loved him on Law and Order, couldn't stand him at the KLAN RALLY CONVENTION. Or he might go with Tom Ridge. Another polarizing figure. Will see. Bottom line, Palin WILL NOT finish out this race. She's becoming a huge liability every time she opens her mouth.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 1477
Conservatives think Palin should step down
Posted: 9/26/2008 11:48:38 PM
NICE fair objective source. TOWNHALL. (Faux News of the Internet) Please. Contributers like Larry Elder, Ann Coulter. Anyway...
On topic.
To those interested, here's Cafferty on CNN regarding Sarah Palin. POTENTIAL President of the United States Of America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc
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