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 mjk21258
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According to Wikipedia the population of Wasilla was 5,469 in 2000. And she was on city council from 1992 to 1996 and mayor from 1996 to 2002. So your points are way off, the census was taken while she was in office, not well before.
 veloise
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 7:03:09 AM
Sharing some interesting information here. (Funny how other threads about Palin have mysteriously evaporated within minutes.)

trendhunter dot com/photos/23808

youtube dot com/watch?v=13LRTrxC_fU

The Daily Kos site has much, much more.
 MacKevinized
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 7:16:16 AM

Palin is anything BUT an airhead, and while I agree her selection might keep some of the Hillary supporters from voting McCain, that does not mean they're going to vote for Obama.


I quote Mzzzzzzzzz Palin herself:
In her perkiest tones....

“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?"


One month ago she doesn't know what the job entails and today she's ready?

That, my dear, is the textbook example of an air head.


Maybe it was just an air head moment....


 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 479
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 7:34:20 AM
One month ago she doesn't know what the job entails and today she's ready?

That, my dear, is the textbook example of an air head.


No, that's a very apt comment. Constitutionally the VP only has two purposes: 1) to vote in the Senate in case of a tie, 2) to outlive the President incase he dies.

Every other power of the VP is only what is given to him (or her in this case) by the President. Therefore this question couldn't be answered by anyone but McCain when he nominated Palin. I'm sure they talked about it.

And BTW, I'm not "your dear". You wouldn't be that lucky on the best day of your life.


And people called Obama an empty suit......the guy that went to Harvard and then got a law degree and then juried the law review......you know, that guy.


I went to Harvard too, and have one more advanced degree from that institution than Obama has. My GPA was just as good if not better. So by that standard, do you think I should be running for President? I spent a whole lot more years in the Senate than Obama did, albeit as a senior staffer. Come to think of it, I AM more qualified than he is!

You might also note, that our current President has an undergraduate degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. What are you thinking of him these days?
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 481
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:01:40 AM
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ And you wouldn't be in a position to know that one way or another from "knowing me" in an internet forum.
 Montreal_Guy
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:04:15 AM
I think McCain would have done far better picking YOU fly, as much as we disagree.

More experience, and he's known you longer.
 MacKevinized
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:05:51 AM

No, that's a very apt comment. Constitutionally the VP only has two purposes: 1) to vote in the Senate in case of a tie, 2) to outlive the President incase he dies.

Every other power of the VP is only what is given to him (or her in this case) by the President. Therefore this question couldn't be answered by anyone but McCain when he nominated Palin. I'm sure they talked about it.


Well she has a good chance of out living McCain but she'll never get a chance to be that tie breaker 'cause democrats are getting more control.

So they couldn't have talked about her her duties when he spoke with her 6 months ago because it was only a month ago when she said:

“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?

Maybe she should have recused herself because she likes to stay busy.

As far as McCain and Palin having discussed her duties, is that some big secrete?
Are we to expect another secretive administration?
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 484
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:25:34 AM

That would be exactly his point..........true?


Um, no. His point was that he thinks I'm lying about my background.


I think McCain would have done far better picking YOU fly, as much as we disagree.

More experience, and he's known you longer.


Aww shucks, thanks. However, while I've known McCain longer, I don't really know him better. I left the Senate just a few years after he took office. I've actually spoken to him more at social events than I ever did when I was on the Hill.


Well she has a good chance of out living McCain but she'll never get a chance to be that tie breaker 'cause democrats are getting more control.


And that would be a good thing. The Founding Fathers provided balance of power between the three branches of government to prevent the country from ever going to far to the left or too far to the right. The FF were CENTRISTS (as am I, FWIW).


So they couldn't have talked about her her duties when he spoke with her 6 months ago


No they couldn't have, because she wasn't being vetted for the VP slot then. That is the reason she had no idea what the role of the VP would be under McCain. NO potential VP can know that beyond the stated Constitutional role. The power of the VP has varied widely from the usefulness of a door post to running the country, and it all depends on the wishes of the President under which he or she serves.

I am sure that Palin got assurance from McCain last week when they met at his house in Sedona that she would NOT be a "door post".
 Outdoor2
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:28:15 AM
A while back, McCain was asked "what are the duties of the V.P."

His answer....

"The V.P. has two duties. Check on the health of the President daily, and attend the funerals of third world dictators."

Anyone who thinks they can drill their way to national security is too short sighted to even have their head in the sand...
 exodusi1
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:39:48 AM
Mheath;

I was grading you, not teaching you. . . We don't have a common frame of reference, so it is hard to provide you with the knowledge you would need in a forum setting. Unlike some of the posters in this forum, I actually have the education I state. . . The average vocabulary increases by an average of 45,000 words during the educational process leading to a Master's degree. . . Thus; one's writing style is a dead givaway as to the level of their education. If you want to know more about econ, I am going to respond to a question this weekend in one of the other threads, though I don't recall which one, but you would be able to locate it via the history link under my moniker on the left. However, I am spending a lot of time with my family this weekend, so I don't know when I will have time to respond to that thread.
Sincerely,
Ex I
 Montreal_Guy
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 8:41:16 AM
Let's be honest here, McCain's selection of Palin indicates that he's really worried about winning the election. That's the only time you go for a "Hail Mary" pass of this type , two months before election day, and invalidate your main claim against your opponent in one quick stroke.

If he was sure, or confident, of a win, he would have made a far safer choice for a VP, and remained on course in a tight race. He's been behind for so long in this race, even before Obama was chosen as his party's leader, in any one to one national average of polls (like RCP) .

Go over there, and look at the graphs over time, if you don't believe me.

He's worried about losing his base, and hoping to capitalize on a Hillary backlash, as even McCain insiders are saying.

He's behind, or tied, in almost every swing state in this election. Even in traditional Republican states, one's you could count on ( like Indiana and Montana) he's far too close for comfort - especially this late into the game.

He's behind in electoral seats, based on all current state polls.

He's got eight weeks to reverse all this, and time's running out. Overall, the demographics work against him. More young, more African-American, and more Latino's are siding with Obama over the choice he offers.

The economy's worsening, and that won't help him. Americans will have a hard time voting a man into office that wants to continue the economic policies of the last eight years - and his policies are almost a clone of Bush's.

Iraq seems to be resolving itself, and that won't help him either, if American troops start to be restricted to their bases in Iraq, and slowly pulled out.

The Republican brand has been tarnished, and almost destroyed, by this Bush presidency, and Republicans have lost every Congressional fight since late 2006 - even in states they were strong in.


Representative Tom Davis, Republican of Virginia and former leader of his party's congressional campaign committee, issued a dire warning that the Republican Party had been severely damaged, in no small part because of its identification with Bush. Davis said that, unless Republican candidates changed course, they could lose 20 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate.

"They are canaries in the coal mine, warning of far greater losses in the fall, if steps are not taken to remedy the current climate," Davis said in a memorandum. "The political atmosphere facing House Republicans this November is the worst since Watergate and is far more toxic than it was in 2006."

McCain acknowledged the difficulties he and other Republicans face in this political environment. Asked at a news conference on Wednesday in Columbus, Ohio, if the string of Republican losses suggested a problem with the Republican label and if he was worried it would spill over to him in November, McCain said, "Sure, all of the above."

McCain added that he was confident that he would win, but said, "I have no illusions about this; this campaign will be a very difficult challenge."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/15/america/15repubs.php


Placing all these things in context, McCain's got an uphill struggle every step of the way. He's got a divided party, who thinks he's not really a conservative at heart. His platform offers little in the way of innovation, and is his weakest point.

He's not attracting the crowds that show people are even interested in listening to what he's got to say in any large numbers.

And on top of it, he's facing one of the best Democratic tickets since the Clinton years, with a strong support base, lots of cash, and newly empowered by a candidate who is NOT Kerry or Gore in his abilities on the stump.

We will know soon how this is all shaping up, once the RNC convention is over and the debates are over.

Then, and only then, will we be able to look at the polls (and more importantly the predicted electoral college states polls as a group) , also look at the demographics involved (including the numbers of new voters signed up in both parties), and then see what this last quarter of this long road to the White House will be like for him.

As of now, it certainly doesn't look good, this late in the race, but that may indeed change. One should never estimate one's opponent, and that applies on both sides.

He's got an uphill struggle, every single step of the way, to win this thing.
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 488
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:49:15 AM
I think one possible way to look at things is that anyone could be lying on the internet and many people often do. Whether you are or not.......who cares? Most people suspect this when a person's stories get further and further out there....


Absolutely true. But "far out there"? There are thousands people similarly educated to me who are working or have worked on the Hill. Now, if I'd claimed to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated, that would be unbelievable. That's not a universe of thousands, and further I've never been a supermodel (and am about 5 or 6 inches too short in any case).

People read other posters' writings and views and make their own decisions; that's fair game. There are people here that I can tell to a certainty don't have the level of education they claim, but I still keep that to myself. It's no skin off of my nose. I'm never going to meet, much less date anyone here.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 489
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:56:54 AM
Wow... for some interesting views from those who live in Alaska and their comments about how she's run the state and their views please read this http://community.adn.com/adn/adn_pubstory_510220?page=1
It's absolutely hysterical (the comments). Fascinating read.
 Barredbard
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 9:01:03 AM
Just when I thought it couldn't be done, someone has once again managed to shock me out of my role as a voyeur by his astounding level of insight. Apparently someone feels that 'this is a liberal, socialist state where black men feel confident fathering children and walking off is fine because the State will feed them.' Whatever that means. One can always tell when a rank and file member of a certain political party has written an opinion. It is always characterized by poor diction. And a certain inability to express oneself. But lets give this aggrieved gentleman the benefit of the doubt. Black men are not fathering children and walking off 'because they are confident that the state will care for them.' While I am sure that that particular minority group has exhibited such formidable foresight in the past in engaging in coital relations, it would seem quite clear that they 'father children' with other thoughts on their minds than the meagre aid that the government grants these children. If one had the capacity for thought and inference, they would find that it is mostly in those parts of the society where poverty is prevalent that children always seem to be in abundance. In terms that you might understand, when people are poor and without political clout, they tend to live for today, and spare little time worrying about tomorrow. And it isn't just blacks, although an intentionally myopic sight might just paint that picture in black and white. You may see the same attitudes reflected in communities with poor hispanics and caucasians here in the US, in eastern Europe, in Africa, in the Middle East, and generally any other place that features impoverished people. The meagre aid that the State grants such children would never be enough of a compensation for a rational person to seek to 'father a child' for that reason. The children that emerge from such state support hardly proceed to become models of the society. That's one point. Here's another. If you combine the welfare that minorities 'gain' from the state, they are merely a fraction of what some corporations gain in tax breaks and incentives. If you doubt any of this, take a look at the proxy reports of some of these companies and do some cursory investigation if your intellect is capable. But of course, since such wealthy individuals are at the helm of a certain party, they have convinced their rank and file members that their hard earned tax dollars are being used to pay for the welfare of 'the blacks' who comprise a little over 13% of the entire population of the US. Rank and file members have never been proficient in math, just as they have never been proficient in expressing themselves with clarity.
If Sarah Palin is a 'self made woman,' then you ought to use that same expansive description to describe any minority that achieves a measure of success. Including Obama, whose father was black, and who walked away - as they all do. After all, the civil rights movement was a little over 40 years ago. The redistribution of wealth in the society - any society - would take more than 40 years to favor a historically disenfranchised group. Mind you, I am not making any excused for 'the blacks.' But it would be silly to squat in your loft and declare that blacks are the reason for your demise, when from any point of view they got a raw deal right from their very introduction to the 'American frontier.' Ms. Palin insisted that her child who was diagnosed with the down syndrome be born. Ha! How commendable. And that single feature compares with mothers pregnant with children that were conceived as a result of rape. Or incest. Or who are malformed because of substance abuse from their parents. Unlike certain people, I don't pretend to have all the answers. Personally, I am against abortion. I was raised Catholic, and the church is firm about things like that. But the difference between myself and a rabid member of a certain Party is that I don't believe that my personal beliefs and opinions should be legislated, and made into the law of the land. There are people out there who don't believe what I believe. What in the world gives me the right to impose my beliefs on anyone else? Oh, and what happens when these children are finally delivered into the society? That's when the jurisdiction of our pro-life fanatics end. A child that is shunned by the mother who - never wanted him/her in the first place rarely ever develops to be a distinguished member of the society. Like yourself for example. As a law student, I intern for a judge at the Probate Court. I can tell you the track record of state wards is frightening. The next time you get robbed, chances are good that it was by such a juvenile. Such sanctimonious individuals - and I will name no names - turn a blind eye to the repercussions of such lofty ideals. Worst of all, they would rather adopt a child from China, from Thailand or wherever the rage is, these days, rather than adopting one from the innercity.
I am a moderate, and I could conceivably vote republican if the right candidate comes along. The right one hasn't come along despite the fact that it is Sunday - a good day for walking on water. Fortunately, I don't see all caucasians as being so blatantly racist, ill-mannered and boorish. I would dearly like to hope that you are in the minority in that regard, and it would please me very greatly to vote against you and your party, just to thwart your designs....
 flyonthewall!
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Msg: 491
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Posted: 8/31/2008 9:01:20 AM

AS with other borderline senile candidates/Presidents (ie..Raygun) VPs also serve to maintain the illusion of capbility. A melanoma expert informed me that McCain's odds of survival of a term of office are extremely small. Do we really want Palin answering that phone at 3 am?


Well, then that doctor is an idiot. McCain has been cancer free for over 6 years. That means his chance of relapse is small.

McCain had either stage 0 or stage 1 melanoma, i.e., very small lesions that were excised without the need for any further treatment such as radiation or chemotherapy. Most people who get treatment for early stage melanoma do quite well.
 exodusi1
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Posted: 8/31/2008 9:05:57 AM
Yeah, lucky for McCain he isn't one of the 47,000,000 Americans without healthcare, otherwise Palin would already be on top of the ticket, as he would have been one of those 18,000 Americans that die each year without the proper care early enough to save their lives. . . Too bad he doesn't feel that those other 47,000,000 Americans deserve the same chance at survival!
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 8/31/2008 9:08:11 AM
Another interesting look at the inside decision making process that lead to McCain choosing Palin :


Advisers say conservative ire pushed McCain away from picking Lieberman

For weeks, advisers close to the campaign said, McCain had wanted to name as his running mate his good friend Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, the Democrat turned independent. But by the end of last weekend, the outrage from Christian conservatives over the possibility that McCain would fill out the Republican ticket with Lieberman, a supporter of abortion rights, had become too intense to be ignored.

With time running out, and after a long meeting with his inner circle in Phoenix, McCain finally picked up the phone last Sunday and reached Palin at the Alaska State Fair. Although the campaign's polling on McCain's potential running mates was inconclusive on the selection of Palin — virtually no one had heard of her, a McCain adviser said — the governor, who opposes abortion, had glowing reviews from influential social conservatives.

McCain was comfortable with two others on his short list, Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts. But neither was the transformative, attention-grabbing choice McCain felt he needed, top campaign advisers said, to help him pivot from his image as the custodian of the status quo to a change agent like his Democratic rival, Senator Barack Obama.

Not least, Obama's decision to pass over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as his running mate opened the possibility for Republicans to put a woman on the ticket and pick off some of Clinton's supporters.

At 11 a.m. on Thursday, at the McCain vacation compound near Sedona, Arizona, McCain invited Palin to join him on the ticket. He hardly knew her, and she had virtually no foreign policy experience, but Palin was a "kindred spirit," a McCain adviser said. McCain was betting, the adviser said, that she would help him reclaim the mantle of maverick that he had lost this year.

The selection was the culmination of a five-month process, described by McCain's inner circle and outside advisers in interviews this past weekend, and offers a glimpse into how McCain might make high-stakes decisions as president.

At the very least, the process reflects McCain's history of making fast, instinctive and sometimes risky decisions. "I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can," McCain wrote, with his top adviser Mark Salter, in his 2002 book, "Worth the Fighting For." "Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint."

McCain began the search for a running mate shortly after he secured the Republican nomination, with some 40 names on a list. By early spring he had cut it to 20, including, a top adviser said, at least five women: Palin; Meg Whitman, the former chief executive of eBay; Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Carleton Fiorina, the former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard; and Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas.

McCain cast the process, at least in those days, as orderly and said that the last thing he wanted was the kind of rushed decision that President George Bush had made in 1988 in selecting his running mate, Dan Quayle, then a senator from Indiana.

But it was not until the last few weeks that McCain winnowed his list to five or six finalists. They included, a McCain adviser said, Pawlenty, Romney, Lieberman, Palin and Tom Ridge, the former governor of Pennsylvania who also supports abortion rights. Palin, unlike the others, was barely mentioned in news media speculation.

The finalists, including Palin, were vetted, a campaign adviser said, and McCain then asked his inner circle — Salter, Rick Davis, Steve Schmidt and Charlie Black — to provide him with assessments of each. "He said, 'Give me plusses and minuses on each of these people,' " Black said.

One of McCain's closest friends, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, weighed in as well, pushing so hard for Lieberman — McCain, Graham and Lieberman are longtime traveling companions — that he vexed some of the other advisers. Others in the inner circle favored Pawlenty or Romney. Palin had no strong advocates in the group, an outside adviser said, but she had no detractors, either.

Last Sunday, 24 hours after Obama announced his running mate, Senator Joseph Biden Jr. of Delaware, McCain met with his senior campaign team at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Phoenix. By then, campaign advisers said, the group had long decided that McCain's "experience versus change" argument against Obama had run its course, to the extent that it had worked at all.

At the same time, Obama's coming acceptance speech before a stadium of about 80,000 people (and what turned out to be a television audience of nearly 40 million) loomed large. As much as the campaign was publicly dismissing Obama as a celebrity in a rock-star setting, the concern was that his command of such a large crowd on the last night of the Democratic convention would give him the aura of a president.

In any case, one campaign adviser said, McCain hated running as the wizened old hand of experience. Despite his embrace this year of President George W. Bush and many of the administration's policies, McCain, a campaign adviser said, still saw himself as the maverick who delighted in occasionally throwing political grenades at his own Party.

Palin, and not Pawlenty or Romney, would reinforce McCain's self-image, an adviser said. She had a reputation as a reformer in Alaska, she hunted and fished, and she had once belonged to a union. Just as crucial, Palin, 44, was beloved by the party's religious base but did not come off as shrill. "She's conservative," Black said, "but she's not an ideologue."

After McCain contacted Palin, Schmidt and Salter met with her on Wednesday in Flagstaff, Arizona It was not until the following morning that she traveled to Sedona to meet with McCain, who then sat down with her for his only interview of a potential running mate.

Within hours if not minutes after the interview was concluded, Palin had the job.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/america/31reconstruct.php


So we can see here many of the things that have been brought forward discussing Palin as his choice of VP.

Even within McCain's inner circle, she was not a favorite. Some of the people that were on that short list were dropped - when McCain himself saw what he was up against. Far from being a group decision, it seems to have been one made primarily by McCain against the advice of his advisers.

The fact that Palin was effectively "off the radar" until very recently, with no one in the inner circle pushing for her, isn't a good sign that this decision was made wisely.

Surprisingly, within McCain's inner circle, their support of the "experience" argument collapsed, which shows that it wasn't working well, and also negating it as something with political validity to the electorate.

There's a great danger in politics when one invests so much energy on one point, then drops it and actually selects a candidate that opens up the discussion again with her inexperience. It will be something that will be used to hammer McCain again and again, showing that he's reversed himself on a point that was his primary advantage before Palin arrived by his side.

From that short list, we can see a group of people that would have brought various strengths to the ticket, and some that would have lost his base supporters on the evangelical right.

And , far more importantly, it gives a rather fascinating view of McCain's decision making process, relevant to the issue of his decision making abilities as president.

On decisions :


I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can, often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.


Will America say the same ?

That quote may indeed be McCain's epitaph, regarding the '08 election.
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 494
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 9:39:01 AM
My take on the McCain pick is that he wanted to shore up his conservative base and offer an olive branch to women. There are Hillary Clinton supporters who are Catholic, and who don't agree with her on abortion -- and my guess is that he thought he'd be able to pick those off plus get any that are so pissed at the Democratic party that they'd vote for him anyway rather than abstaining.

There are also women like me who don't think that choice is as important as other issues this time around.

Point is I don't see McCain's choice of Palin helping Obama. Those who feel disenfranchised by the Democratic party won't vote for Obama. They feel their choices are staying home, writing in Hillary or voting for McCain.

I think he'll get some Democratic women, but certainly not as many as he might of by nominating Kay Bailey Hutchison or even Tom Ridge. McCain had to weigh shoring up the right wing of his party against appealing to Hillary supporters. That was a difficult choice given that what appeals to one will not appeal to the other.

However, McCain is getting a gift he didn't expect. Bush and Cheny are skipping the RNC because of Hurricane Gustav. Bush is so polarizing, that I think this will make the convention go much smoother, and it gives Bush an out without losing face.

Bush cancels, GOP eyes storm-shortened convention
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jQD-Ub1QQZgszKZ4ddpQBmVCevOQD92TBSTG0

Another interesting article in yesterday's NYT:

Can You Cross Out ‘Hillary’ and Write ‘Sarah’?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/weekinreview/31zernike.html?_r=1&ref=weekinreview&oref=slogin
 rayzrsharp
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Msg: 495
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Posted: 8/31/2008 9:47:13 AM
Question... at what point is this VP choice solidified? I mean is there a way that between now and November he can change his mind? Politics and or conspiracy theories aside, could John McCain decide to go with someone else? He'd lose for sure if he did this but if it turned out that his plan didn't work, could he go for a mulligan? Just curious. Any thoughts?
 exodusi1
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Posted: 8/31/2008 9:55:46 AM
Yes but to do so will take her resigning, to; "take care of the needs of my family. . ."

She has a built in excape clause with her child. (No disrespect intended). I can only imagine how difficult that is for her and her family, so it is just an observation. It is a valid escape clause, one that I believe will be used. I still believe Mitt will be VP, but this pick energized the religious right, then if she resigns, he can slip in the better candidate a few weeks before election, but after the VP debate, so Mitt doesn't have to face Biden in a debate.
 rayzrsharp
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Msg: 497
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:03:45 AM
Ex1 I've read your earlier post when you stated as such and at first thought that would be a death nail to his campaign, but the more and more I learn about her and the more opinion I read about this choice, I think your absolutely right. She will not complete a run on this ticket. " but this pick energized the religious right, then if she resigns, he can slip in the better candidate a few weeks before election, but after the VP debate, so Mitt doesn't have to face Biden in a debate."

I completely agree. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
 gentalltheway
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:43:04 AM

Enthusiasm..

I could see in McCain's face when he was introducing Sarah Palin


We ALL can see what McCain was sooo enthused about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13LRTrxC_fU



What an idiot!


Thank you to the poster who brought this one up. Not only does it show McCain lack of class but also one has to question his REAL motives to select what's her name.
 gentalltheway
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Posted: 8/31/2008 10:49:41 AM

Who's' an idiot?


The "idiot" part was quite obviously aimed at McCain. Seems pretty clear to me.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 500
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/31/2008 10:53:49 AM
Don't bother it's a waste of time.
I missed the 3 billion comment what post number was it.




What I find interesting is that no one has brought up one of the more important facts about this whole presidential race. Looking at the tallies for this past year in governmental pork spending, BamBam has pushed through almost $100 million in wasteful spending, whereas John McCain has a grand total of ... drumroll please ... $0.00. Between BamBam and Biden they've wasted almost $220 million of taxpayers money. And again, McCain and Palin haven't wasted one thin dime together

Never let the fact's get in the way of a good wet dream.
Red wine
Anytime you hear someone call someone else an idiot rest assured you are standing within earshot of the true idiot.
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