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Msg: 676
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Time to get back in my 'serious' mode...somewhat.

That Sarah Palin doesn't get this simple fact about parenthood disqualifies her to be in the vice-presidency.

Actually you are wrong and here is why.
Sarah Palin has her own moral compass...but, she has had executive powers long enough to know and understand that there will be differences. Thus far, she has stood against corrupt government...but, she, to my knowledge, has not pushed her morals onto any legislative platform. She has her views, knowing that others have theirs. She, to my knowledge, does not condemn others in any sort of mean spirited way for theirs.

She cannot change Roe vs. Wade by herself and probably understands that to attempt to remove it would be political suicide. She's a smart, savvy woman. Palin believes in abortion under one circumstance. That is her right. And, she appears to be the type of woman who would want safe medical conditions for women who do have abortions. Overturning the entire Roe vs. Wade would be going against what I believe Sarah Palin is about.

McCain and the Vetting team knew about Palin's daughter's pregnancy. It was announced to once and for all put an end to the internet rumors that Sarah was not the mother of her infant son and her daughter Bristol was. Thing is... Bristol is 5 months pregnant and couldn't be the mother of the infant. What I heard is that it was a family decision to put the rumors to rest and publically announce something that McCain and the Vetters already knew.

Now, to change gears and onto another issue being discussed here:

The Vetters and McCain also already knew about her ex brother in law situation. He was found guilty of tasering his step son and others... meaning abusing his law enforcement duties. His boss wouldn't fire him and Palin did the right thing by overrriding his boss. She has obtained an attorney now that she is not in Alaska to keep a daily tabs on the proceedings. All of this was known by the Vetters and McCain.

We are watching a political
train wreck right before our eyes.

This is why I severly limit providing links, etc. off the internet. From your post, it appears that there is the real chance of Palin coming off the ticket. Read the link...then, do more research. She's staying on the ticket.

McCain/Palin ticket is raising those same huge amounts of contributions that the Obama Supporters touted only Obama could do. In July, the Republicans raised 47 million to Obama's 50 million in August. And, with Palin on the ticket, they are averaging ... what... was it... approx. $4 million in every 2 day period ... just from internet contributions.

As to the 'talk' about her raising a family, etc. being on the road campaigning... Ya'll do know that her hubby is a stay at home Dad.. the roles are reversed in their family. Nothing wrong with that, now is it? Well, other than jealousy from some of the guys that they can't have it as good.

McCain/Palin !!
Joined: 4/1/2006
Msg: 677
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Posted: 9/1/2008 9:58:00 PM

Palin may have a shit load of skeletons in her closet, but the 10 million dollars that has come in since she was named VP shows that what you think are skeletons may not be all that scary to others

Yeah....well....10 million is chump change when it comes to American politics...

Hell....even the pundits on BOTH sides agree that the one with the most money wins....

This...above all else...(if it continues)...will be the ultimate downfall of The United States of America...for when money (and what that buys) is more important to a candidates success than their policies ....something...somewhere...has gone ary.

Many powerful states have done the same...only to wallow when the future became present.

Continue on...if you must...

China is quietly waiting...
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 678
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/1/2008 10:23:38 PM
Another firing scandal is emerging, that palin fired the agricultural board and replaced them with her cronies in order to keep open a failing dairy farm that she supported. Eventually, the farm failed anyway. This is very similar to bush's auto industry policy, protective tariffs and support of an industry that makes gas guzzling suvs, even as demand for them falls. Several years ago, he even instituted a new car tax credit to encourage people to buy new cars. I suppose this is all part of republican free market in action.

The head of the alaska nat'l guard has made a statement that palin DOES NOT control the national guard, so there goes all her foreign policy experience.

Palin furthermore was not vetted by mccain thouroughly, even though some of the sheep are more comfortable believing that. No one on city counsel, or from local businesses were called regarding palin. Members of mccains staff have said that john wanted lieberman and his party wouldn't allow it. He also needed to shake up the headlines and time was running out, so he chose palin on spec, she was not carefully vetted.

Frankly, this little rebelious streak of johns against the party is why I voted for him in the primary. I am convinced that, if he could, he would pick the best man or woman for the job, but the party he is with, the one that rescued his campaign with all those negative attack ads, owns a piece of him now, and I'll bet he hates it.

After he loses this election, I hope he'll do the honorable thing and put his country first and speak openly about the shenanigans that go on up in there.

Though I think his temper is a very bad thing for a president, as a man, I think it is the result of his self betrayal dawning on him from time to time, which means he may still have a conscience, which makes him a rare thing in his party.
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 679
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/1/2008 10:39:47 PM
As someone who has worked in public education for 25 years, and as a mother of two sons who were educated by the same, I'd like to give you a few facts.
Schools that provide condoms are NOT telling students that sex is 'ok'. They are trying to educate them about the reality of unplanned pregnancy and STDs. It has been proven that 'abstinence only' does not work; see Bristol Palin as one example.

Condoms do not promote sexual activity--if kids are going to have sex (and many of them do), then by all means give them a way to protect themselves.
They are not 100% foolproof in preventing pregnancy, and they are not 100% barriers against STDs.

You are correct about one thing: it is NOT the schools' job to explain sex to YOUR children, but that's where it happens because so many parents simply DO NOT TALK TO THEIR CHILDREN.

As for my own sons; we discussed being responsible, and we discussed birth control, and we discussed respect for oneself and for one's partner.
Neither of my children had unplanned pregnancies.
They had access to condoms.
Joined: 10/30/2004
Msg: 680
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Posted: 9/1/2008 10:50:06 PM

Condoms do not promote sexual activity--if kids are going to have sex (and many of them do), then by all means give them a way to protect themselves.

If condoms somehow turned people on... put them in the mood when they hadn't already been inclined... then you'd think you'd see a lot more condom action in porn... titles like 'Blazing Condoms' and 'Safe Sex Fever'... but you don't.
Porn performers will be seen to use them... but you hardly ever see the thing go on or off... it's just suddenly there.
In a way it's too bad... the adult entertainment industry could use it's 'influence' to turn condoms into something more often associated with 'hot and horny' sex... rather than the regrettable necessity they seem to take it as now... that might encourage more guys to keep a stash of them and not groan about putting them to use.
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 681
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Posted: 9/1/2008 11:41:41 PM
Yeah McCain showed great judgement and years of experience in picking this Palin woman, what being the mayor of a city with 7,500 people and a state with the population of a mid-size city, oh yeah and lets not forget Alaska is a diverse state.

Oh also she is being investigated for corruption and may have possible ties to a Alaskan sepertist group when she was young. Lets not forget firing a civil employee for not firing a state trooper who devorced her sister.

Lets top this off with, her 17 year daughter is 5 month pregnant (i guess that abstinance thing really worked there), and maybe her daugher could be the mother of her youngest child (Sarah that is), yeah it just gets better and better.

Lets just call this what it is John McCain is bankrupt in the judgement issue and maybe in the experience issue. Oh i dare say he put the campaigne ahead of the country. He could have picked K.B Hutchinson, but he could not have controled her. So what did he do he picked a doey eyes pretty young woman (just like he did with his current wife), the only difference this woman brings nothing to the table.

Sure the Christain right will trumpet her virtues and say that her daugher could have easily got a abortion but choose not to. The GOP is bank rupt on morality, judgement and accountability.

But still all you haters out there will still say that McCain is a better pick for the country. I asked this in a post " What are you Obama Haters affraid?

What McCain did was clearly done to pander to woman voters, but idf i was a woman i would be insulted. Out of all the women he could have choosen this is the best he could come up with. No!!!!!!! This is what he could come up with, that he can control.

 bliss serendipity
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Msg: 682
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Posted: 9/1/2008 11:51:02 PM
"handle her with "kids gloves""

I have read this in other comments (not attacking you skoochie). Why does Palin need to be handled with "kid gloves?" Never read any comments suggesting that Hillary needed to be handled this way. Why is this women so special? I see no reason why Biden needs to amend his ways in going after this republican VP. She needs to understand that she is playing in a different league than what she is used to. I would imagine if she is as good as she thinks she, she herself should expect to be treated the same way as Hillary would have been, no special favours.

Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 683
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Posted: 9/2/2008 12:06:17 AM
Of course Biden will clean her clock but he's too much of a gentleman and far too politically savvy to really ravage her in any debates. But I don't believe for a New York minute that Palin should be handled with kid gloves. But attacking her kid? No. Absolutely not. Mainly, there's no need to. There's more than enough with Palin herself to deal with. Did she really want Alaska to secede from the states? Just too funny for words. She must've been vetted by P. Diddy.
Joined: 9/26/2007
Msg: 684
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Posted: 9/2/2008 12:06:33 AM
Guess it's time for a link here and a link there (on another thread).

As to the Sarah Palin 'rumors', etc. here goes

I'm sticking with sources as above and not 'blogs'.


My Handle is PurpleCrayon and I approve this post and link.
Joined: 10/20/2007
Msg: 685
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Posted: 9/2/2008 2:52:50 AM

Where was this poll between Palin and Biden. I did not have a chance to vote.

Biden all the way!

Obama/Biden 08

Doesn't matter your vote would have been for Palin anyway apparently! LOL
Joined: 11/29/2004
Msg: 686
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Posted: 9/2/2008 3:46:37 AM
To: urkindanosey, Lets see what can i say about what you posted and what you did not respond to in my post. What lies did Obama tell and how is he pandering, he has not changed his views on illegals in this country (which i do not support), unlike John McCain (who did change his positions on this topic).

As far as doing research believe me i do research before i post anything, and i actually think before i write. If republicans can lie about Obama being a Muslim and people belive it then why can't demiocrats throw a little garbage out also. If you look close at what i said i did not say this is fact all i said is that there are some investigations going on.

Now about her daughter, true this is not a political issue, and it should not be. But what is a political issue. Is this 1. when Republicans come out and preach hollier than thou BS and abstinance only crap yeah this because a issue with me. When she is chosen only because of religious issues then yeah i have a problem. Why because these nut cases want to control what i think is morals. So yeah this because a issue.

Obama ties to terriost, whatever and a racist thats a stretch. I guss that makes me a racist, even though i have two bi-racial children, and i have white relatives and i have black relatives who think my children are wrong and should not be. I also know white and black people whom i consider friends who have said some things i do not agree with. Does this make me a racist?

But the question is this was she a good choice? No she was not. It will hurt him in the long run.

Obama 08
Joined: 8/19/2006
Msg: 687
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Posted: 9/2/2008 4:51:08 AM
I missed a few qualifications. . .
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 688
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:14:03 AM
Yep, if you notice Obama took the high road with the Palin kid pregnancy and said it shouldn't be an issue; that it should be a private matter within the family. Even none other than Newt Gingrich gave Obama high hosannas about it last night. I couldn't say for certain the Republicans wouldn't have had a field day of negative mudslinging if the shoe was on the other foot and something similar happened to Obama or Biden's family.

Obama/Biden in 08!
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Msg: 689
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Posted: 9/2/2008 5:53:24 AM
The more I see of this Palin the more I think she's worse than bush.

She's been involved with manipulating everybody around her with lies and innuendo for quite a while.

Palin lied to police about her sister's husband by staging scenes with him appearing angry.

She repeated this lie to her family to spread, and to her employees to spread Especially to Wooten's Boss, Monegan.

She had her husband pressure the boss, there's a recording of her employee pressuring Monegan, there are emails from Palin to Monegan, There are her own words, first saying she had no idea anyone had pressured Monegan, Then admitting knowing about those conversations pressuring Monegan.

She is against libraries. How can anyone not want to have better libraries. That is the same as promoting ignorance.

She is against teaching kids about sex and the reality of relationships. Sex is not very hard at all to teach. Make a business card to hand out to every student that says:

When this thing squirts, it can make babies.
A cartoon image of a penis will do to get that point across

But teach the kids about the reality of relationships too. Teach them about how many of them can be scarred by entering relationships too soon, especially when they are teens.

But we are not allowed to point out individual examples of a non sex education program as it might be perceived as an attack on the wonder woman.

With all of that going for her, I can say there are two things she did extremely well;

She boosted Obama's polls and garnered her campaign lots of unwanted attention. The talking heads are looking sillier and more confused lately.
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 691
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Posted: 9/2/2008 6:32:09 AM
"Yep, if you notice Obama took the high road with the Palin kid pregnancy and said it shouldn't be an issue; that it should be a private matter within the family."

Kind of agree with Obama, however Mrs. Palin is running for a high office, one heartbeat from the presidency, and the way she handled this matter shows some very important issues that all voters should understand before the election.

Adding this incident to all the others already mentioned in this thread I am convinced that the lady is really clueless. She is in favor of shoving down the people's throat her conservative failed policies. In this case, the only programs that she is in favor of funding are the abstinence only programs. Now she has the evidence of the failure of that aproach right in front of her face, but she is still pushing the same ideological, unrealistic agenda.

If you wonder why would that agenda fail (the kind of thing that goes: you people do as we say, not as we do!) in real life, simply look at what happened in this case. There is not much of a hard consequence here (unless you consider having to get married a big punishment,) because the family is going to take care of everything.
 Boricua Papi
Joined: 10/8/2007
Msg: 692
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Posted: 9/2/2008 6:47:51 AM
If you look at maintream republican women out there, all of them have more bad stuff to talk about than Sarah Palin. Let's see:

Condi Rice: Amazing and expert in foreign policy. She speaks several langauges. BUT, she has some dubious sexual orientation and that my friends, is worse than a daughter that got pregnant at 17 . Besides her ambiguos stance on abortion would scare the conservative base.

Kay Bailey Hutchingtson: Fine woman but she is 65! The White House would look like a nursery home!

Elizabeth Dole: No one is going to vote for the old lady of a defeated presidential candidate.

Carley Friorina: successful business woman but no elective or governamental experience.

Sarah Palin have it ALL: elective , command and executive experience(small but something is something). Youth, looks(the cutest VP ever), strong pro life and family, strong anti gay marriage(catholics already love her to death), knows how to fire a weapon, strong on Iran and terrorist countries. Married with 5 kids. SHE GOT IT ALL!

We might be witnessing the election of the first woman vice president of the US and maybe in less than 9 years the first woman president of the most powerful nation on earth. (Note: Mccain is not going to die tomorrow. His health is outstanding. Reagan left Office at 76 and went to live 15 more years! )
Joined: 8/28/2008
Msg: 693
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Posted: 9/2/2008 7:00:18 AM
I agree with your post. It was a good Idea for McCain to pick a woman. However not the one that he picked. There are many other women senator or governers tha are more qualified than her.
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Msg: 694
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Posted: 9/2/2008 7:27:03 AM

Thay me be so, but she doesn't have it all together!

Imagine how does this look:

Mrs Palin (potential vice-president) tries to take charge of turning around the epidemic of teenager pregnancies.

Mrs. Palin to high school audiences:

"You guys are going to start practicing abstinence so that you don't get into trouble!"

A confused kid:

"Does that mean that we can't have S-E-X?

Mrs. Palin:

"Well, if you put it that way, yes. Wait a minute; I mean no, you can't have intercourse."

Another confused kid:

"What about the other stuff?"

Mrs. Palin:

"What other stuff are you talking about? [...........] What???? Don't tell me about it! Just remember: abstinence, no intercouse!"

Young Miss Palin:

"Mom, I didn't get my period this month."

Mrs. Palin:

"Don't worry dear, those things happen sometimes. It happens sometimes, you know, a few days after the normal time."

Young Miss Palin:

"No mom, you don't understand. I think that I am little bit pregnant."

You can fill this part of the dialog


Mrs. Palin to the public:

"Young Miss Palin is 5 months pregnant, she is getting married, we all love her, and the young couple will receive all our support.

What do you think the kids in the high schools are going to be saying about this?

I have been a teacher all my life, and I can tell you that the picture is not a good one.
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Msg: 695
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Posted: 9/2/2008 7:30:07 AM
Yeah, except that Obama has demonstrated his leadership ability by taking down the most powerful democratic political machine since LBJ, perhaps FDR. Plus, he represents 20 times as many constituents, and has since his election to the state house!

His state district far exceeds the small town in AK, his state, IL, far exceeds AK. Obama is a natural born leader, she is a nut. . . No comparrison. . . I guess this year is the Almond joy (Republicans) versus the Mounds (Democrats) election?
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Msg: 696
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Posted: 9/2/2008 8:10:32 AM
He's going to be spending the next eight weeks or so defending her, and not doing other things. The focus has shifted entirely to firefighting, and smoke is everywhere.

This woman wasn't properly vetted, and it's starting to show quickly.

Someone formerly from an group that supports Alaska's independence ?

GREAT choice for a president, potentially.

McCain : We are all Georgians.

Palin : I'm an Alaskan, not an American.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.

"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.

She doesn't know what Palin's position was.

"It never came up in conversation," Clark recalls. "But when she joined the party, our platform was right under her nose."

Clark says that Palin left the party and became a Republican in 1996, when she first ran for mayor of Wasilla.

The McCain-Palin campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Walter Hickel, a former Republican governor, was elected to the governorship in 1990 as an AIP member -- the third-largest party in Alaska -- with a plurality vote of 38.8%. A Seattle Post-Intelligencer story that year said that "Hickel is running with the Alaska Independence Party, a fringe group advocating that the 49th state declare itself a sovereign nation. But he's not a separatist; he's an opportunist: the Independence Party was the only 11th-hour ticket to the general election."

Hickel returned to the Republican Party in 1994; he endorsed Palin in her gubernatorial run in 2006. Subsequent AIP gubernatorial candidates did not fare as well as did Hickel, garnering less than 2 percent of the vote.

Earlier this year, Palin sent a video message to the AIP for its annual convention, where AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town –- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -– she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

Lynette Clark says that Palin is "a fine individual. She's forthright and she puts Alaska first."

She is not a fan of McCain.

"I can't understand why in God's name she has aligned herself with a candidate who opposes the development of our republic and Alaska's resource wealth," Clark says.

The Alaskan Independence Party is a political party in the U.S. state of Alaska. Its best-known policy is its call for a United Nations vote, which they claim should have been offered as an option in the plebiscite on statehood under international law. Ideologically a constitutional foundation, the party also calls for increased Alaskan control of Alaskan land, gun rights, privatization, home schooling, and reduction of governmental intrusion in the private lives of its citizens with adherence to the founding documents of the United States. The party has appeared on the ballot in Alaska in all state elections since 1970.

At other times, party members have also proposed that the state explore the possibility of joining Canada. Other members have expressed opposition to joining Canada in its present form but are open to the possibility of joining an independent Western Canadian state in the event one should be established. Neither of these scenarios form part of the party's current platform.

O...M....G. They want to join CANADA ?

Anyone check to see if she's wearing a flag pin yet ? And which flag ?

Your posts are never's like your train of thought has nothing connecting the cars and no caboose.

dance is one of those posters whose style is unique, and one sometimes has to get the man's message like one savours a fine wine on one's palette.

He's a friend, and I always look forward to reading and appreciating his thoughts, and his wonderful way of expressing them.

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Msg: 697
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Posted: 9/2/2008 8:42:21 AM

I love your posts.

I, like many am sad that "conservative" for the GOP has come to mean only "social conservative" and fiscally irresponsible.

I feel like the 2 party system cannot work if even democratic voters are not offered a strong counter-platform, strong critics of their economic policies and just an alternate point of view to keep them honest, keep them in check.

GOPers are rallying to defend their candidate, because they feel like Democrats want to run them down and seize all the power, but Democrats/independants are all mortified, because the truth is, we would like TWO strong choices for president, NOT a social ideology war, like this.
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Msg: 698
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Posted: 9/2/2008 8:46:05 AM
Palin : I'm an Alaskan, not an American.

Oh brother. This woman just keeps getting better and better ~ for Obama.

That was a rhetorical statement, not an actual quote from her .....but that's what the AIP stood for .

AIP's motto - "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

"Country First" - McCain's new ad. :innocent:
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Msg: 699
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Posted: 9/2/2008 11:04:26 AM
Sorry Reddwine it looks like that's the way things are headed. I think she might make it through this week, provided nothing major comes out and she does well with her speech. My prediction is she'll make it through this week and MAYBE up to the debate with Biden. That debate will be the determining factor on wether she stays or goes. And THAT depends on how well they can coach her up on the issues. If she does leave the trail, YUP... in comes Lieberman. Or Ridge but mostly likely Lieberman. He's speaking tonight and it's who John wanted all along. So much so that Rove went as far as asking Lieberman to stay out of the race. But Lieberman refused. Allegedly. One things for sure, it's going to be damn excited month of politics.
 Boricua Papi
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Msg: 700
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Posted: 9/2/2008 11:16:00 AM
I've been analyzing prophecies and presidential elections and I have come to the conclusion that a Republican ticket will win the 2008 elections. This goes also with the prophecies about a strong WOMAN(Conservative) in chrage of the most powerful nation on earth by the beginning of the 3d millenium. The so called Athenea the Goddess of War is here! And this woman really looks like a "goddess" Young , Strong and Gorgeous!. Check how Sarah Palin talks about Iran! Check also presidential elections results from 2008 every 28 years going backwards. You will be shocked! AMAZING!!
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