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 Kaos86
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Msg: 926
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I am so glad you all pointed that fact out and it would be true except for when he plagerizes the speaches of Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick .

The facts.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 927
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:28:35 AM
Slowride how am I a Republican?
No deflection the man copied someone elses words he was caught.
You have a ticket of plagerizers.
So what. Move on.
Just the facts.
 PurpleCrayon~
Joined: 9/26/2007
Msg: 928
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:33:39 AM
Sarah Palin is proving why she is qualified to be VP and McCain's wise choice in picking her as his running mate.

She has proved her worth as a mayor and governor .
She has an extraordinarily good handle on the energy crisis and what has to be done.
She understands the economics of Middle America, the bread n butter of this Country.
She is composed and diligent in her approach to matters which affect all of America's landscape.

All of this is proven via her life style, her record as a leader and in her deliverance of her speech last night.

McCain/Palin!
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 929
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:37:16 AM
Cause the world has watched in horror for 8 years. The world economy IS linked, after all. When Bush deregulates the mortgage industry, then sells bad paper to Kazakstan, it impacts other countries too.
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
Msg: 930
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:38:41 AM
There was no substance, except for Obama's Energy policy, anyway, so I'm not sure why the neocons are so energized. . . In the meantime, Ohio turned blue last night. . .
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 931
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:40:27 AM
^^^^those polls arent even counting on Ron Paul. I've seen Nader and Barr factored in, but Paul did very well in the west during the primaries. (Nevada, for example) and that was before McCain abandoned a centrist position. All those "undecideds" McCain's counting on spliting with Obama, might all go to someone else in the end.
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:47:38 AM

Montreal Guy says: If you people actually think that speech was worth the paper it was written on, and you haven't verified what she said in it ( as many seem to have done) ,
then you will deserve what you will get when you elect them to office.


Montreal Guy...With all due respect...why are you pushing your opinion so desperately?

You dont even Live here.

Im just curious.


Not as curious as you seem to be about any of the "facts' that Palin spoke to the American people, it seems .

Everyone's jumping up and down about how she hit it out of the park, and no one's checking to see if her bat was corked.

This is your country, and this is the woman that may run it one day.

I think that means that checking her "facts" against reality might be a great thing to do. This was her first speech, and I've provided my citations to say she lied on a point by point basis - as everyone cheered her on.

Prove otherwise, if you can.

Your mainstream media didn't seem to bother vetting her speech any more than McCain did vetting her. You have her words, a computer, and Google.

Use them.


when you use a link to back up your point (or "perceived" point), make sure both you and the site are on the same page ..


Read her words, and compare the reaction of the McCain campaign to any 'critique" of Palin.
 o4
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 933
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:47:39 AM

There was no substance, except for Obama's Energy policy, anyway

First, no that's not Obama's energy policy that she was talking......I never remember anyone chanting "drill baby drill!" at the DNC.

Second, someone earlier wrote a post that said: "they only hear what they want to." I wonder who that was and to what it might have been refering? ...something about a cauldron and a kettle arguing about their colors maybe?

Sarah gave an over the top speech last night, filled with substance, truth and light. She's going to make a great VP when she and John win the White House starting in January!
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 11:51:33 AM
O4, no, there wasn't any substance. . . What I am talking about is drilling in safe areas, but also exploring Solar, Wind and other alternative sources. . . Not keen on Nuclear. That IS Obama's plan, which, except for the Nuclear part, was stated last night.

Other than that, she didn't list ANY specifics. . . I suffered though the entire speech listening for them! She gets a C, only because it fired up the base, but she could have been dribbling on herself and accomplished that. But an F for substance, she won't convince anyone moderate that she is a good choice!
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 9/4/2008 11:57:57 AM
Exactly,

You guys and gals on the right want to know how dumb that statement is?

That is like saying I have a good grasp of dentistry; Drill Drill Drill.

Or

I have a good grasp of metal fabrication; Drill Drill Drill.

Or

I have a good grasp of Military Training; Drill Drill Drill.

Or

I ahve a good grasp of Babequeing; Grill Grill Grill.

Ok, I do on the last one. . .
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 9/4/2008 11:58:47 AM

I dont know why I bother to ask questions. I never get a direct answer, just another sparing contes. Oookay.....whatever.


You asked a question, I gave you a direct answer.

The facts are there, you can check them yourself.....or sit there and applaud the Empresses's new wardrobe as she walks down the street naked.

Either, or.
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:01:35 PM
My question is why don't YOU care ?

Lies are lies, facts are facts. There are no "Canadian" facts, nor "American" facts.

Which do you want your future decided on ?

How many tubes of lipstick do you want to put on that Pitbull ?
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 938
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 12:04:51 PM
04, Reddwine, Kaos, and Purple Crayon, why are you guys ignoring / denying the facts that are presented to you? These aren't fabricated statements and claims. They're backed by SOLID PROOF either from personal statements, quotes, video, documents, reputable news sources etc... Why is this consistently ignored? Yet with every comment, accusation, statement you guys post there is NEVER any substantial evidence to back up you claims. Never. I'm just curious why not? If your going to bash someone one back it up with a link or a video... something. Remember, its not about being right or wrong per se its about FACT over FICTION, TRUTH vs LIES. Don't you guys want the truth about who your voting for? Personalities aside, isn't the TRUTH the most important thing to you in regards to this election? If not then what is? I apologize if I'm coming across as bashing, I'm just trying to understand the logic behind (said names mentioned) posts.

Thanks.
 jelunc
Joined: 8/24/2008
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:06:26 PM

Slowride how am I a Republican?
No deflection the man copied someone elses words he was caught.
You have a ticket of plagerizers.
So what. Move on.
Just the facts.


'fraid not
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Deval_Patrick_I_asked_Obama_to_0219.html
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 12:08:05 PM
There you go, throwing facts out there again. . .
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 941
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 12:13:32 PM
The fact is, Sarah Palin doesn't even have enough foreign policy knowledge to make even make appointments should Johnny Mc kick the bucket.

Her total knowledge vacuum on this crucial issue ENSURES more of the same, because she is 100% at the mercy of her advisors, even with regard to who to hire as advisors!
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 942
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:14:33 PM

What I am talking about is drilling in safe areas, but also exploring Solar, Wind and other alternative sources


The problem is environmentalists have shut down the alternatives.
Wind- Killls birds
Nuclear- Impossible to get a project started.
Bio- Starves the 3rd world.
Electric still to far off to be viable.

Any others are decades away.
The bottom line is until something betterl comes along oil is here to stay.
 exodusi1
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Posted: 9/4/2008 12:18:25 PM
Do you ever really want to have a serious debate?

Yes, every energy source has drawbacks, even solar.

However, in combination, we could reduce our dependance on foriegn oil over a 10 year period!

Solar, Wind, and the existing Hydro would greatly reduce the need for as many other forms.

In Germany, there are enough solar panels on homes, that equate to two nuclear power plants, ZERO Spent Uranium to dispose of!
 mjk21258
Joined: 10/20/2007
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/4/2008 12:57:03 PM
You cant tell me your parents knew what you were doing every minute of the day.

And, are you telling us they could stop you from having sex?

Thats just comical.


And know what, it is comical because you just proved why abstinance only doesn't work!


But, its certainly getting us off the topic of Biden isnt it?


hmmm, title of the thread is "It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin", so apparently you were off topic already!
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 945
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Posted: 9/4/2008 1:15:29 PM
Exodus thats great so get it done.
The facts are that these projects can't get off the ground.

As a Canadian I have seen many wind farm projects prevented due to environmental concerns.


Do you ever really want to have a serious debate?

My post was a rebutal to yours.
Tell me what altenatives there are how they are presently viable?
As for Hydro the grids can barely handle the volumes now.
Remember the brown and black out of the last several years.

Do you have solar panels on your home?

Do you know all the products besides fuel that are produced from oil?

I am not a Republican because "I AM CANADIAN".
As a Canadian I would be more in the middle of the two parties.
 Barredbard
Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 9/4/2008 1:20:31 PM
I don't believe anyone thinks that reliance on alternative sources of energy will materialize, pronto. Rome wasn't built in a day. What democrats are advocating is that we should start making some serious efforts in that direction. Efforts that consist of more than simply advising the automotive industry to seek such alternative sources. Boost research on that issue, so to speak. The concepts are already tangible. We just need to figure out an efficient way to harness them. Oil is a very finite resource. It will be entirely depleted someday. Even more troubling though, is our reliance on foreign sources of said oil. As a republican, this should present something of a quandry. Our dependence on oil makes us reliant on nations whose ideologies and inclinations - to put it mildly - are not necessarily consonant with ours. We are - whether by default, quirk of faith, accident or design - enriching those countries whose citizens 'want to kill us' as Bush so eloquently asserted in one of his rare moments of brilliance. Since national security is evidently the republicans' concern to the exclusion of all else, I would have thought this would be of paramount interest for the party.

But oh, silly me. I had forgotten about the illustrious Haliburton and her beneficiaries. About Cheney and his cronies who dabble in oil - like so much blood - to the detriment of the country. That also 'seems like a double standard to me.'
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 947
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Posted: 9/4/2008 1:30:01 PM

The electoral map is looking better and better for McCain/Palin.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go?

The electoral map looks very bad for McCain/Palin. As it stands moderate to strong (2 to 3 times the polling error) supporting states give Obama 238 electoral college votes to 185 for McCain with 115 votes still outstanding (less than twice the polling error).

The "money", however, STRONGLY favours Obama to pick up another 64 electoral college votes. In other words, the "gambling man" favours Obama for the win.
 Barredbard
Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 9/4/2008 2:28:56 PM
A very enlightening poem that elicits laughter without the mirth. Inasmuch as I maintain a healthy respect for all drunk Jamaicans, that poem is somewhat crass. Palin did make a good speech yesterday, even if factually deficient in some aspects. She will either prove to be an asset to McCain in the future months, or she may shoot herself and McCain in the foot. Either way, she is off to a good start. I hear she is quite the huntress, and one can see a dalliance with Cheney (also an avid hunter, albeit a dangerous one to be around) in the offing. Time will tell, but in the mean time, I am giving her a chance to prove herself...
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 949
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Posted: 9/4/2008 2:37:52 PM
I am giving her a chance to prove herself...


Well balanced posts, Barrel and vulf.

Even though I'm supporting and voting for Obama, I'll give the McCain ticket a fair chance to debate and present their case.

I must say I love this election, if only for how it's energized people and got some involved with the process for the first time in many years, maybe ever.

Obama/Biden in 2008!
 Kiss_My_Karma~
Joined: 7/4/2005
Msg: 950
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Posted: 9/4/2008 2:42:40 PM
Here's what Gloria Steinem has to say about Sarah Palin:


Palin: wrong woman, wrong message
Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.
By Gloria Steinem
September 4, 2008
Here's the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only" sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

But here is even better news: It won't work. This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere. It's not about a piece of the existing pie; there are too many of us for that. It's about baking a new pie.

Selecting Sarah Palin, who was touted all summer by Rush Limbaugh, is no way to attract most women, including die-hard Clinton supporters. Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Clinton. Her down-home, divisive and deceptive speech did nothing to cosmeticize a Republican convention that has more than twice as many male delegates as female, a presidential candidate who is owned and operated by the right wing and a platform that opposes pretty much everything Clinton's candidacy stood for -- and that Barack Obama's still does. To vote in protest for McCain/Palin would be like saying, "Somebody stole my shoes, so I'll amputate my legs."

This is not to beat up on Palin. I defend her right to be wrong, even on issues that matter most to me. I regret that people say she can't do the job because she has children in need of care, especially if they wouldn't say the same about a father. I get no pleasure from imagining her in the spotlight on national and foreign policy issues about which she has zero background, with one month to learn to compete with Sen. Joe Biden's 37 years' experience.

Palin has been honest about what she doesn't know. When asked last month about the vice presidency, she said, "I still can't answer that question until someone answers for me: What is it exactly that the VP does every day?" When asked about Iraq, she said, "I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

She was elected governor largely because the incumbent was unpopular, and she's won over Alaskans mostly by using unprecedented oil wealth to give a $1,200 rebate to every resident. Now she is being praised by McCain's campaign as a tax cutter, despite the fact that Alaska has no state income or sales tax. Perhaps McCain has opposed affirmative action for so long that he doesn't know it's about inviting more people to meet standards, not lowering them. Or perhaps McCain is following the Bush administration habit, as in the Justice Department, of putting a job candidate's views on "God, guns and gays" ahead of competence. The difference is that McCain is filling a job one 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency.

So let's be clear: The culprit is John McCain. He may have chosen Palin out of change-envy, or a belief that women can't tell the difference between form and content, but the main motive was to please right-wing ideologues; the same ones who nixed anyone who is now or ever has been a supporter of reproductive freedom. If that were not the case, McCain could have chosen a woman who knows what a vice president does and who has thought about Iraq; someone like Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine. McCain could have taken a baby step away from right-wing patriarchs who determine his actions, right down to opposing the Violence Against Women Act.

Palin's value to those patriarchs is clear: She opposes just about every issue that women support by a majority or plurality. She believes that creationism should be taught in public schools but disbelieves global warming; she opposes gun control but supports government control of women's wombs; she opposes stem cell research but approves "abstinence-only" programs, which increase unwanted births, sexually transmitted diseases and abortions; she tried to use taxpayers' millions for a state program to shoot wolves from the air but didn't spend enough money to fix a state school system with the lowest high-school graduation rate in the nation; she runs with a candidate who opposes the Fair Pay Act but supports $500 million in subsidies for a natural gas pipeline across Alaska; she supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve, though even McCain has opted for the lesser evil of offshore drilling. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.

I don't doubt her sincerity. As a lifetime member of the National Rifle Assn., she doesn't just support killing animals from helicopters, she does it herself. She doesn't just talk about increasing the use of fossil fuels but puts a coal-burning power plant in her own small town. She doesn't just echo McCain's pledge to criminalize abortion by overturning Roe vs. Wade, she says that if one of her daughters were impregnated by rape or incest, she should bear the child. She not only opposes reproductive freedom as a human right but implies that it dictates abortion, without saying that it also protects the right to have a child.

So far, the major new McCain supporter that Palin has attracted is James Dobson of Focus on the Family. Of course, for Dobson, "women are merely waiting for their husbands to assume leadership," so he may be voting for Palin's husband.

Being a hope-a-holic, however, I can see two long-term bipartisan gains from this contest.

Republicans may learn they can't appeal to right-wing patriarchs and most women at the same time. A loss in November could cause the centrist majority of Republicans to take back their party, which was the first to support the Equal Rights Amendment and should be the last to want to invite government into the wombs of women.

And American women, who suffer more because of having two full-time jobs than from any other single injustice, finally have support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can't be equal outside the home until men are equal in it. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children.

This could be huge.
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