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 mungojoe
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Msg: 1001
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It's getting interesting.

Yes it is.

Gallup (today) has Obama with a 4 point lead and McCain's support in Indiana just slipped off the edge (to a toss up). That represents a potential loss of 11 electoral votes in a state that had previously been a strong McCain supporter.

That puts Obama with 238 (moderate to strong support) electoral votes to McCain's 174 (moderate to strong support).

That means McCain, by today's standings, needs to pick up an additional 96 votes out of the remaining toss-up votes while Obama only needs 32 of them (and, unfortunately for McCain, he doesn't presently have the support to pick up the full 96 votes he needs).

Yes, VERY interesting indeed.
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 1002
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 1:52:52 PM
This woman actually asked her cities librarian about banning books, because some citizens had complained about "language".


[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. “She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving “full support” to the mayor.

Mary Ellen Baker resigned from her library director job in 1999.

http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sarah-palin-vp-nominee/


None of you are just a bit uncomfortable with the fact that someone running for the Republicans, a VP that might become president - wanted to ban books at her local library ?

Great timing too, I might add.....


Banned Books Week
Celebrating the Freedom to Read
September 27–October 4, 2008

Banned Books Week: Celebrating the Freedom to Read is observed during the last week of September each year. Observed since 1982, this annual ALA event reminds Americans not to take this precious democratic freedom for granted. This year, 2008, marks BBW's 27th anniversary (September 27 through October 4).

BBW celebrates the freedom to choose or the freedom to express one’s opinion even if that opinion might be considered unorthodox or unpopular and stresses the importance of ensuring the availability of those unorthodox or unpopular viewpoints to all who wish to read them. After all, intellectual freedom can exist only where these two essential conditions are met.

BBW is sponsored by the American Booksellers Association, American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression, American Library Association, American Society of Journalists and Authors, Association of American Publishers, National Association of College Stores, and is endorsed by the Center for the Book in the Library of Congress.

“The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One’s right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.” — Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

“First Amendment freedoms are most in danger when the government seeks to control thought or to justify its laws for that impermissible end. The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought.”—Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, Ashcroft V. Free Speech Coalition

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bannedbooksweek.cfm


Oh, look at those radical organizations that support it, too.

How is she supposed to support the Constitution, and that First Amendment in it, if she's the type of person that would think about banning a book for it's language - in a country where free speech is such a valued and hallowed right ?

Now the there's no indication of what books she was thinking of banning, and the list that's out there that reports to be one is a fake one, but that doesn't change the fact that she did have that conversation with the librarian.

That's certainly a valid area of concern, in my book.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 1003
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:30:03 PM
Montreal ...what was the book?
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 1004
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:35:51 PM
Does it matter WHAT books she wanted to ban in a public library ? Is anyone suggesting that banning a book is a valid thing ?
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 1005
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:40:15 PM
All libraries ban books.
Playboy, Penthouse?
Mein Kampf bet you a lot of libraries ban that one.
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:47:49 PM
Those are magazines, and not books.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 1007
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:50:39 PM
Libraries have magazine sections.
How about Mein Kampf?

The article quotes a disgruntled former city employee... hardly worth consideration.
I am sure she will be asked the question.
Since there is no mention of her actually banning any books this is just more nonsense.
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 1008
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:50:55 PM
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ LOL, our posts crossed.


Does it matter WHAT books she wanted to ban in a public library ? Is anyone suggesting that banning a book is a valid thing ?


Most localities do put restrictions on libraries. For example, libraries don't carry pornography and they put filters on their computers to prevent people from accessing it in the library.

I'd also bet that you'd have trouble finding a copy of Mein Kampf in your local library.


Those are magazines, and not books.


Mein Kampf is not a magazine, and FWIW, libraries do carry periodicals (i.e., magazines), lots of them.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 1009
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:54:01 PM
Fly if if someone were to write a book advocating and demonstrating how to murder liberals. Do you think that would receive library approval?
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 2:58:12 PM
I'd also bet that you'd have trouble finding a copy of Mein Kampf in your local library.


It's actually legally sold here, and I first read it in high school - in the school library.

Canada (ISBN 0-395-07801-6), if you want to check it out.


In the United States, the book can be found at almost any community library and can be bought, sold and traded from many websites like Amazon.com and Borders Book Store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf


Pain specifically wanted to ban some BOOKS, and not magazines.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 1011
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 3:09:21 PM
It is anecdotal evidence and hearsay.
How about the writings of Ernst Zundel?
Which you find his work in a public library?


It's funny Montreal that you would pick this subject considering where you live.
Quebec, a Province which at times has banned the use of English on store fronts.
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 1012
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 3:33:42 PM
Did anyone see Palin on the campaign trail today? She read her speach and basically had to follow along with her finger because she didnt' have 3 days to work on this one.

The speach was all about stuff McCain should have been talking about...and he was standing right behind her the whole time. I guess he figures she's more fun to watch than him. He's having fun showing off his new toy.

Then of course, afterwards, no questions were taken.

I wonder if it will hurt his campaign that they always hit the trail together and can't split up to cover more ground?

Biden, since you were wondering, was busy TEARING IT UP town hall style in PA.
 thatswhatshesaid
Joined: 12/28/2007
Msg: 1013
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 3:42:32 PM
It's funny Montreal that you would pick this subject considering where you live.
Quebec, a Province which at times has banned the use of English on store fronts.

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Canada is not governed by the US constitution and can do whatever they like...unless some crazy president decides to invade.

Germany, Switzerland and Austria also ban Mein Kampf and send holocaust deniers to jail. That's their autonomous right. They don't have our first amendment, their law makers decided on it, their history and regions feel it is called for.

Our First Amendment, however, is different. School libraries, even in America, often argue for an exception, so banning does happen sometimes if parents in the area are insistent.

What the Consititution also supports in freedom of speech information issues is the PRESS, the 4th estate, and Sarah Palin also has very little respect for this little american tradition either. Though free speech is not impaired by a candidate refusing to talk, it generally goes against the idea of an open transparent gov. by the people for the people.

It's the first time in history one running for election has stonewalled the press. Usually, they wait until their corruption subpoenas are delivered...oh, wait! Guess she's already got one. My, how "presidential" of her.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 1014
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:04:37 PM
The last time the US invaded Canada that did not go so well.
As a matter of fact we burned down the White House.

You do realize that POF is a Canadian creation?

With regards to Governor/VP Palin.... what book did she ban?
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 1016
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:29:06 PM
Libraries ban books all the time.
Ask Montreal if Ernst Zundel's books would be accepted.

Again I ask what book(s) did she ban?

You can't answer because there are none.
I am a Howard Stern fan so I am not a fan of censorship.
 Vyper®
Joined: 10/10/2005
Msg: 1017
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:39:41 PM
I, for one, am glad that the senator from Arizona selected Palin. What appears to be to be a thinly-veiled act of desperation -- I believe -- will assure what was already inevitable: That Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

OBAMA '08
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 1018
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:42:49 PM
As of today, MSNBC reports that Obama and McCain are tied at 42 percent. Sounds like that "desperation" has paid off quite nicely. A week ago Obama was up around 5 or 6 points in the same poll.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 1020
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:54:22 PM

As of today, MSNBC reports that Obama and McCain are tied at 42 percent. Sounds like that "desperation" has paid off quite nicely. A week ago Obama was up around 5 or 6 points in the same poll.


I'll repeat this for the "hard of reading":


Gallup (today) has Obama with a 4 point lead and McCain's support in Indiana just slipped off the edge (to a toss up). That represents a potential loss of 11 electoral votes in a state that had previously been a strong McCain supporter.

That puts Obama with 238 (moderate to strong support) electoral votes to McCain's 174 (moderate to strong support).

That means McCain, by today's standings, needs to pick up an additional 96 votes out of the remaining toss-up votes while Obama only needs 32 of them (and, unfortunately for McCain, he doesn't presently have the support to pick up the full 96 votes he needs).
 Mr Gummischuh
Joined: 4/30/2005
Msg: 1021
Pro dead animal party
Posted: 9/5/2008 6:23:26 PM
OMG... I think she got a ticket for speeding also . People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones . Nothing being reported about her is any worse than anything any of us normal people have done.... wait that might make her a normal person like myself. I like her even more now .
 Mr Gummischuh
Joined: 4/30/2005
Msg: 1022
Pro dead animal party
Posted: 9/5/2008 6:33:27 PM
These people who want to post about the hunting of wolves and stuff crack me up. I bet while posting that link the poster was eating a big fat hamburger or chicken breast. And we all know where that meat comes from. Please don't shoot the wild wolves but corral all the cows, chickens and turkeys you want so I don't starve.
 jelunc
Joined: 8/24/2008
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 6:33:32 PM

How about the writings of Ernst Zundel?


Do you honestly want libraries to carry every pamphlet printed?

the library did have this available through their site, however.

http://www.mhl.org/search.htm?q=ernst+zundel&sa=search&client=google-coop-np&cof=FORID%3A11#963
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 1024
Pro dead animal party
Posted: 9/5/2008 6:34:28 PM

That means McCain, by today's standings, needs to pick up an additional 96 votes out of the remaining toss-up votes while Obama only needs 32 of them (and, unfortunately for McCain, he doesn't presently have the support to pick up the full 96 votes he needs).


You make it sounds like actual delegates are committed. The delegates will be awarded according to the popular vote. We don't know how people are going to vote yet, everything is very fluid right now.

Most of these state by state maps are determined by polls. If you look at one map that actually lists which polls they are using, and when they were taken, you'll note that most of them preceded BOTH conventions, and many were taken before the numbers started closing in:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
 Mr Gummischuh
Joined: 4/30/2005
Msg: 1025
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 9/5/2008 6:35:46 PM
Has PETA come out and commented on the Sarah Palin pick yet?
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