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 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 151
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This is for WALLSTREETFARMER.... thanks for you post and for finally providing specifics about Obama's New energy plan for America. Now check this out....http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Palin_praisesObama.html

This is an article where John McCains preferred VP PRAISES OBAMA on the very energy plan you claim won't work. What are your thoughts? Also, tell me, can you provide specifics on John McCains plan? Thanks.
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 152
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 3:45:30 PM
Who posted the HUMILITY comment? Was that you Apologist? This administration is the complete opposite of humility. That's the reason we are at war now, our economy is in the dump, Katrina failed, scores of young soldiers are dead and dying as well as innocent women and children in Irag, laws broken, changed and ignored and you have the gall to say that republicans are humble?!!!!! AMAZING!!! This is exactly why the world hates us!! Arrogance is more like it. Republican arrogance! Bullies! The whole lot of them. Lets be honest with ourselves people come on!!!!
 southernlass
Joined: 5/2/2006
Msg: 153
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 3:49:39 PM
I don't know who this woman is. Hmm.

She's certainly attractive. Unfortunately, I don't care about that in my vice president.

As a former "disgruntled" Hillary supporter and lifetime Democrat, I watched Obama's speech last night and was blown away. The things he said finally resonated with me. The hope on the crowd's faces resonated.

"The Stefano" from this forum said something not so long ago that has played over and over in my mind since he posted it. He said "The youth deserve a young president. We've had our time, let them have a president for their era." Or something to that effect. He made a very important, valid point and despite myself, I've not been able to forget his words. When I look into the eyes of my beautiful, young, nine year old daughter, I think about his words...

Obama came across in a sincere fashion last night, and he was humble. He made me want to believe again, though I honestly can't believe I'm writing this because I have been so angry at the Democrats for so long now.

I don't know who Sarah Palin is. I wanted Romney or Huckabee.

I don't know what I'm going to do now and will have to wait for the debates. I'm enjoying the politics of this election but every time I turn around it becomes more complicated for me personally.

 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
Msg: 154
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 3:55:32 PM
God not Huckabee.

Besides, doesn't he have another convicted rapist to pardon from prision right about now or something?
 Bluesman2008
Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 155
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 3:59:35 PM

I don't know who Sarah Palin is. I wanted Romney or Huckabee


You and the rest of the republican party. Amazing just amazing. They're all laughing at him. How sad.
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
Msg: 156
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 4:09:55 PM
Did you ever get to experience true leadership?

I am not an easily swayed person!

My dad is a life long Republican!

Obama isn't just pourning sugar on things, he inspires people BECAUSE he is genuine!

This is a guy who's mom was on freaking food stamps, who DIDN'T put his ethnicity on his application to Harvard because he didn't want to use affirmative action as his method of success. I am very proud that our nation has matured to the point that such a fine person can have a chance to become president.
 o4
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 157
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 4:20:39 PM
I/We just dont like what he is 'preaching'.

I agree. I'm just not in alignment at ALL with what he's preaching. But on the other hand too, I'm not as afraid of him and what he's preaching any more the way I was say a few months ago when I didn't even have a sense of him and first heard him. Since then, I've learned that even if I disagree with what he's preaching, it's okay, ....because preaching about something and actually being effective are two different things too, and I'm fully confident now that if indeed by some fluke he does get elected, he still won't be able to deliver what he's promising. It'll just be another "do nothing" for another four years. Well, that's better than actually getting done what he says he wants to do anyway.
 Blacksheep
Joined: 6/28/2004
Msg: 158
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 4:26:13 PM
Ok People,

McCain in desperation has picked Palin simply because she’s a :

1. Woman: to get the ex Hillary voters that Obama hasn’t taken already (28%)

2. Is NRA: to get the gun nuts to vote for him without holding their nose. (the rabid Bush supporters (27%)

3. Is Pro Life: to get the bible thumpers to give him a second look since they are more focused on more issues this time around than just abortion or gay marriage (about 40%)

4. Is pro drill in ANWR: which goes against his previous stance on the issue, to appease the Bush backers and Big Oil.


So because of the possibility of getting less than 1/3 of a portion of certain groups and at that same stoke of genius he pissed off the real feminists who don’t want to be pandered to by a man, and don’t want a man to decide they have no rights to make choices with their own bodies.

He pissed of the environmentalists ( of which a larger number are evangelicals who are getting more concerned with environment as per biblical verses).

He makes himself look more and more like Bush by putting someone who has never met a foreign leader in the position of being the leader of the free world should he for whatever reason cannot complete the duties of office.

Not to mention he set Palin up for capital punishment when it’s time to see Biden in the VP debates.


Desperation is when you know who you should choose to do the job, but you try any political tricks you can in order to stay vibrant in this race.
He should have chose Mitt R. for veep and that would have been a real debate between
him and Biden ( I think Mitt would have lost still, but at least it wouldn’t be a "flawless victory" like it will be with Palin)

There had to be so many better choices, women choices in the RNC to take this spot and boost McCain but even in this John dropped the ball.
I wouldn’t let someone I met 1 time before run my house much less as the VP.
She would have looked better in the position if she at least got tested in the Republican primaries against the likes of Guiliani, Romney, Thompson, Paul, and against McCain himself.

If you like political pandering against all common sense, you know which party you belong to.





Footnote in history at this point, at least for 10 years since i don’t think anyone except political die-hard’s will remember in about 10 years.......
But they will Remember Barack Obama and Joe Biden for Decades and Decades to come.


Obama/Biden 08' cause were really fed up of bullshit political tricks of the RNC, especially after the last 8 years of bullshit political tricks from the RNC.
 wallstreetfarmer
Joined: 8/24/2008
Msg: 159
It looks like McCain's VP pick is................................
Posted: 8/29/2008 4:28:28 PM
Rayzr,

Thank you,

That post was specifics on why I "wont" vote for Obama. (even though since I live in NY my vote against Obama will do very little) The fundamental belief of wealth distribution and "socialist like" policies is what I am against. I am not a full fledged McCain supporter but I will vote for the lesser of two evils according to my principles.

I am not against rebates, I am against the windfall profits tax he wants to use to pay for it. Palin feels the same way as described in the last line of that article.

In my opinion taxing is not the way to go about it, instead we need to cut spending. If you want to pay for it then show me a program that you will cut, then by all means you can give out the rebate. We can call it whatever sounds nicest for the people, a tax refund, economic stimulus, energy cost relief....... Let us also show the markets that we will drill and increase production, while decreasing our usage. This will, and has already helped lower oil prices. The free market works. (unfortunately we have these pesky hurricanes coming that are going to drive the price right back up for a while)

McCain’s policy is very similar to Obama’s, well it is actually the other way around but we wont get into that. I don't fully support either, and am not sure how I fell about cap and trade. (which they both are for) just with slight differences.
 cncgandolf
Joined: 7/29/2007
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 4:34:30 PM
" One definition of insanity is to do the same things over and over again and expect different results."

Which is why 8 years of Republican destruction is more than enough. It would be insane to give McSame another 4 years to do at least 90% of what Bush has done. No, I don't think his VP choice will stop him from being McSame.
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 4:37:58 PM
I'm sure she won't be in the VP slot for very long, again, this si JUST to stir up media response, it will shift. . .
 Ready4SomethingFun
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 8/29/2008 4:38:25 PM
Hell, McCain can't even fill up the 12,000-seat Nutter Center (yes, it's called the Nutter Center -- evidently the GOP is tone-deaf, too).


Maybe it was because it was at noon on a weekday and most conserveratives were actually working?

Really though, I work about 3 miles from the Nutter and it was far from empty. Traffic jams abounded, and I met people from as far as Chicago here to see it firsthand.


But that aside, I feel it's another positive for McCain, and he is doing the right thing. She looks like a very strong running mate for him.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 163
It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Palin
Posted: 8/29/2008 4:39:09 PM
I'm fully confident now that if indeed by some fluke he does get elected

A fluke?!?

You might want to get on the phone to the big "bookies" and tell them they are going to loose their shirts because right now, the money-makers are favouring Obama as the "sure bet" (and McCain as the "long shot") by a large margin.

It certainly doesn't hurt that these same money-makers called the the previous elections with 100% accuracy (and they called EVERY individual state with 100% accuracy).

Be as pro-McCain as you feel but don't be placing any bets on him. Me, I'm inclined to follow the money in predicting who will win (and it doesn't hurt that Obama is the better candidate either).
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 8/29/2008 4:39:25 PM
"The fundamental belief of wealth distribution"

Our tax system is a social wealth distribution system. It is just that with the Republicans the wealth is redistributed from the middle class to the wealthy.
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 8/29/2008 4:51:32 PM
"Palin and Clinton are fantastically successful women who may break the glass ceiling "

Palin doesn't have anything close to the experience in business, in government or in campaigning that Hilary Clinton has. She isn't running for President, as Hilary Clinton has. She hasn't been First Lady before, as Hilary Clinton has for 8 years (not of a low population state for 18 months). It is an insult to Hilary Clinton to speak of Palin as if she is on a par with her. She will not be putting cracks in the ceiling Hilary Clinton cracked.

Palin is running for VP and can only possibly be compared to putting cracks in the ceiling that Geraldine Ferraro has already put cracks on many many years ago. She lacks the experience in business or government that Ferraro had at that time. She isn't humble in the least if she thinks she is anything like Hilary Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro.
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 8/29/2008 4:52:47 PM
"you sound sure that he chose a person who happens to be a woman for the sole reason that she is a woman. "

Not the sole reason, but McCain was very clear and specific in his speech that she was chosen because she was a woman.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 8/29/2008 5:11:50 PM

Palin doesn't have anything close to the experience in business, in government or in campaigning that Hilary Clinton has.


Well no shizit.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Hillary was been in the game a lot longer the Palin has.

Hillary started out her government career as the First Lady of Arkansas back in 1979, when Palin was only 15! Kind of hard for a 15 year old to become apart of any type of gov…….
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 170
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Posted: 8/29/2008 5:12:12 PM
To WALLSTREETFARMER, nobody in this race is perfect. Nobody agrees entirely on their politics. But man, for the sake of this country and are standing in the world, we need CHANGE! Obama - even if you don't agree with his views on everything represents something far bigger to me. His being Presidency would say to THE WORLD that America has turned a corner. That we AT LEAST seem to be TRYING to think different. As it is now, we are looked at as big bullies with very little compassion and that all we care about is money and war. Our arrogance (especially this administration) tells everyone that AMERICA knows what's best for the world. That's a very arrogant way to think. It's like were almost a dictatorship. And McCain stating that he will "Chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell." Even though he attacked us, comes across as more BS and the cowboy YEE HAW Texan attitude that has other countries, enemies and allies looking at us like were crazy. The world sees that Obama represents at least an ATTEMPT at change, that's why they respond so well to him. That's why polls in EUROPE favor Obama over McCain. McCain, represents as stated by countless others, same old boring angry white out of touch men. Period.

And also as stated earlier, this pick is sooooo transparent its insane. Now, it would've held far more validity had he picked a woman who has some experience. And there's plenty of them in the RNC. But I think he passed on them because they KNOW HIM. They know his unstable temperament. So he chose someone who doesn't know him. This is a Dan Quayle choice. An obvious attempt (insult) to grab the female vote. But most female voters are smarter than he gives him them credit for and will see right through this charade.
 exodusi1
Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 8/29/2008 5:20:28 PM
Anything to try to avoid the two most dreaded subjects of the week!

84,000 & 38,000,000
 rayzrsharp
Joined: 7/29/2008
Msg: 172
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Posted: 8/29/2008 5:20:49 PM
I LOVE NOMADICS 343 post!!!!! Dead on!! It's funny how people REFUSE to see McCain for what he is. And you pointed it out crystal clear. Thank you. So all you women who'll vote for McCain the man who called his wife "a CHUNT" minus the h, remember, he does NOT have your best interest at heart. Unless you like a man like this. Again, great post Nomadic. Nice and specific.
 o4
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 173
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Posted: 8/29/2008 5:22:30 PM
38,000,000 Just about as many abortions as have been had since RvW in the US. Can you imagine that that entire arena has been filled in the afterlife, or emptied one by one in this place?

Sarah is pro-life. GO SARAH!!!!

[and that was you Exi who changed her last name so disrespectfully? I had better expectations I guess......]
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 8/29/2008 5:22:32 PM

Not to mention he set Palin up for capital punishment when it’s time to see Biden in the VP debates.


This attitude is exactly why as likely as not she'll 'win' the VP debate. Everyone expects her to get creamed, so if she makes any semblance of holding her own it will be considered a 'victory'.

By all accounts she's a smart, ambitious, capable leader. She just hasn't spent any time on the national or international stage. I would expect her to be well prepared come the debate. I'm sure she'll get her points. Besides, her perspective seems to be so much the polar opposite of Biden's that all she has to do is recite the pro-life, pro-drill, pro-gun mantra and all those who make those their primary voting issues will applaud her.

Unless, of course they're pro-choice, pro-preserving ANWR, and/or pro reasonable gun control, but it's been my experience that few in that camp make those their primary voting issues. They tend to look at a broader perspective.

At the end of the day I doubt either VP pick will make or break this election, but they should be good for entertainment value. As to any perceived risk of someone unqualified ascending to the presidency, from where I sit if we could survive eight years of Bush we can survive just about anyone. All four of these options would certainly be a significant improvement.

Speaking of which, it strikes me that with all this emphasis on 'experience', how often has a second term president performed better than he did in his first term, even with the advantage of those four years of experience?

Look at the platforms, look at the ideals, look at the character, look at the values. If they align with yours, I think that should be enough to make a choice, whether a decades-long washington veteran or mayor from podunk usa.

Dave
 exodusi1
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It looks like McCain's VP pick is Sarah Pain
Posted: 8/29/2008 5:23:41 PM
Think of all the welfare checks you've saved yourself!

Hypocracy, my friend, hypocracy!
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