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 texerotic2
Joined: 12/9/2006
Msg: 69
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Thank you "sanderick" - it is refreshing to find someone willing to use intellect, logic, and historical fact on these boards...as opposed to the emotion-laden illogical nonsense of the "No Blood For Oil" crowd.

Will you give us your explanation on how there is *no* "right to vote" in the US Constitution? (just to keep things stirred up in this campaign season...lol.)

And feel free to opine about the terrible damage done to our states, by the passage of the 17th Amendment. (arguably, the root cause of *all* of the problems attributed to the Federal Government in our time)
 opnmydm
Joined: 3/23/2008
Msg: 75
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 9/12/2008 6:46:41 AM
there lies the problem with politicians, they all are soo crooked, they are more worried about winning an election, making money for themselves and their friends and family than they are about taking care of the basic needs of this country. usa first. why take care of others when we dont even take care of our own people? well, the answer is money, votes, and being out of touch with reality. we need to take our country back.. keep voting for lifelong politicians and will will always have this same mess. dont vote party people, vote person. voting party plays into their own tug of war.
 ________
Joined: 12/24/2006
Msg: 76
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 9/13/2008 12:48:21 PM

Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush
very very lessor know news sources I should think.... I can't think of a better way to ensure Obama looses that to make this sort of statement -- which I am totally certain he would never make sober.

No matter what the feeling about Bush by his opponents -- 51% of the US voters would never approve this action.
 designingwoman
Joined: 9/4/2005
Msg: 77
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Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 9/13/2008 4:52:15 PM
I hope that Bush and its gang are prosecuted for the numerous crimes they have committed against humanity. Dennis Kucinich is right: we should have impeached the (unprintable) years ago to get them out of office and put our country back on track.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 83
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Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 7:11:19 PM

Bush and the gang kept us safe for 8 years ...
The "Shrub and the "C0ck" and their gang of thugs continuously broke the law and since they answer to the people of the United States, they should be prosecuted for their wrong-doing.

They illegally tortured prisoners into falsely confessing information (already been discussed in a different thread ... see if you can find it) ... that ultimately convinced the US to illegally invade a sovereign nation ... imagine that!!!!

It has cost us thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of injured/maimed/mutilated, hundreds of thousands of brain-injured and/or mentally-disturbed vets (again already been discussed in a different thread ... keep looking and you'll find it). I guess it just depends on what one considers keeping people safe. I suppose even if one is maimed or mutilated or has some sort of mental problems as a result of being in an illegal war, as long as one is still alive, one should be grateful and consider that the "Shrub" and the "C0ck" and his gang of thugs "kept us safe" ... eh?


And now they want to close Gitmo that houses all of the combatants????
First of all, 90% of the Gitmo prisoners are innocent (once again already been discussed in a different thread ... you'll find it if you look for the other information in the other threads) and most of them were SOLD to the US/CIA ... as a "cat in a bag" type of situation (that information is also in those other threads).


You want them here in prisons where they can recruit people????
Their presence at Gitmo is used as a recruiting tool back in their home countries. Certainly no one has to explain that to you ... how that works, but if you don't get it, let us know and I (or others) would be able to explain it to you.


OMG......People, are you living in a cave somewhere?
Actually, no. That's why all that information is already available in other threads. We have been discussing it for quite some time. Where have you been?
 EarlzP
Joined: 12/9/2007
Msg: 84
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Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 7:18:20 PM

OMG......People, are you living in a cave somewhere?

Bush and the gang kept us safe for 8 years - after 9/11. Clinton let numerous things happen and did not act on them......and then he chuckles stating he knew it was Bin Ladin.........what a bafoon and a boil on the butt of American Bill Clinton was.


George Bush did exactly what Bin Laden wanted him to and more, Bin Laden could not ever even hoped that Bush would use 9/11 to attack Irag

Do you think that the Towers were the primary target? The primary target was the American economy, Bin Laden had just seen the Russian economy collapse and knew if he could get us involved that he could deal a serious blow to the American economy, he knew every thing was perfect he had Bush and company running the country and knew Bush was a reactionary, some one who would act without considering the consequences of his actions. Bin Laden only thought he could pull us into Afganistan but was handed a bonus when Bush decided to attack Iraq,

Maybe if Bush and company had pursued Bin Laden they might have caught or killed him instead Bush used 9/11 to go after Saddam.

Bin Laden knew that he had accomplished his goal and did want to take the chance that another attack in America might divert our attention and we might actually spend the money to develop the technology needed to increase our safety here in America


Don't get me wrong, I did not agree with everything Bush did; but, he did keep us safe.
I worked in the airline industry and life was never the same after 9/11.


In a way you are right Bush's actions were what Bin Laden anticipated and wanted so he had no further need to attack us


And now they want to close Gitmo that houses all of the combatants???? You want them here in prisons where they can recruit people???? Are you awake?


The chances of them recruiting from american prisons are not very good


Do you think we can all just join hands and sing "let's all just get along"?

I could rant on and on; but, I am sure I have pissed you off enough.


You seem to be the only one who is having a self control problem


If you don't love America, get the hell out!!!


So if some one disagrees with your opinion that means they don't love America? Do you think that American reached the plateau we are at because we all just blindly followed .


AND GOD BLESS GEORGE W BUSH AND****CHENEY.


I would make a small wager that Bush is in no hurry to reach judgment day
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 86
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 7:29:20 PM

If you don't love America, get the hell out!!!

You know, an argument could be made that with that^^^attitude, one could actually be accused of not loving America.

Think about it.

If you love America, then you love the freedoms that come with being a citizen--the freedom to choose one's religion, the freedom to speak without fear, the freedom to vote. Precious rights, all of them.

If everyone with whom one does not agree were forced to leave America, only those who think alike would be left. Thinking alike didn't make America what it is--thinking and sharing different perspectives, debate and sometimes civil war all went into creating the United States.

United under a government umbrella, but not under the threat of being unwelcome for having different beliefs.

If you love America, or if you don't, stay.
Stay and voice your opinion.
Isn't that the point of living in a free country?
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 87
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 7:58:49 PM
I doubt they will prosecute the man that freed fifty million people living under tyranny. More than any other man in history, Wahington, Lincoln and Churchill combined. Possibly they may have his face carved on a mountain which might be called 'Mount Liberty' or, have a day set aside every year in his honor so people of the world can worship freedom but, prosecute him for acting on intelligence from the CIA with the ahutorization of congress and on policy of the Clinton Administration I doubt highly.

Oh, possibly the holiday in his honor to remember freedom and the man that granted it to fifty million might be called 'Bushmas.'
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 88
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 8:09:23 PM
^^^ Man, you are too much with the satire! Are you a Monty Python fan, by chance?
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 89
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 8:20:00 PM
Fifty million oppressed people free because of him. That's not funny, rather, it's close to a miracle Flyguy. No other leader in the history of the world has done anything close to that.
 Brizo
Joined: 2/19/2006
Msg: 90
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Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 8:42:53 PM
#90, awesome post!
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 93
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 10:01:33 PM
Sorot
do you think that was USA's job to free the Iraqi people?
why do you think young Americans were supposed to die to free Iraqies?


It certainly was not however, it was a side benefit of the actual reasons for the invasion.

Sorot
and why are you so naive, that don't really get why America Really attacked as it though the Muslim world. First of all USA didn't attack the Muslim world , but only one country within it - Iraq. For the record Iran- another muslim country and Iraq had 7 year war during the 70s.


The reasons for the Iraq invasion were as follows:

- to get Iraq to comply with ceasefire terms
- to stop Iraq’s Inadvertence to UNSC resolutions
- to force Saddam to cease his violation of human rights
- to stop Iraq’s material breaches of UNSC resolutions
- to end Iraq’s WMD capability and aspirations
- to force Iraq to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals
- to force Iraq to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,
- to end Iraqi Support for terrorism
- to show America has the will to help allies and destroy foes
- to depose a regional threat take in Saddam that would have to be dealt with sooner or later
- to force action from SA to take care of it's radicals
- to pressure other regimes in the area not to provide passive or active support to Qutbists and Jihadists
- to position US troops in the region in force to enable that pressure
- to aid their global and NATO mission by having another secure base with which to stage from.
- to support and help create an Arab democracy as an example to others

All achieved and, Bush freed fifty million people as a side benefit!

Sorot
Also, there are so many oppressed people all over the world, why USA didn't free them, but freed only Iraq? Let USA free then oppressed people in China too? Why it is not doing it? Also, why didn't France, Germany, or Russia free Iraq, but USA did?


First, they would need to have something that was instrumental to the War on Terror such as being located on key ground as Iraq was as it was adjacent to Saudi Arabia and the US wished to place pressure on the Royal Regime to take action against it’s Qutbist elements. Second, they would need to be in violation of some high profile UN resolutions and have the UNSC clamoring about how vile and evil they were. And third, they would need to be an almost certain future problem if left undealt with. Not many countries fit that bill, in fact, only Iraq did.

Sorot

As Churchill said - every nation deserves the ruler it has.


Nobody deserved Saddam Hussein. He had perfected Stalanist State Terror, his hold on power was total and, would live on through his two sons.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 95
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/2/2009 11:27:26 PM
It's a Global War on Terror and Iraq was a tactical front. A positioning and pressure point against Saudi Arabia and, a stepping stone for future operations. The threat is Qutbism, please look it up as that is what OBL and every one of the hundred or so terrorist groups operating globally subscribe to. The recreation of a Middle Ages Caliphate by using terrorism to keep the pot simmering in select countries and then whebn the government is destabilized enough, topple it with a peoples movement with their idealogical arm. Oil revenues and blackmail would pay for the subsequent takeovers of adjacent countries. What you are seeing in Pakistan is what was probably going to happen in Saudi Arabia unless the Royal Family took the action they were pressured to.

Here is some interesting easy to read stuff from a magazine http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,369448,00.html

Sorot
Even if this is not the case, why USA or any other country should decide on behalf of Iraqi people who should be their ruler,


It isn't ancient history Sorot, the Iraqis voted on a constitution and then when ratified held elections. How else to they decide whom to lead them? By a pit fight?

See, that's the difference between Bush and other conquerers. Bush let them decide, not tell them who is going to lead them. He actually set fifty million people and, all sucessive generations free. As long as they can handle it. Not under his rule or proxy but their rule and law.

Sorot
There was a long period that USA didn't think Mao deserved to be China's ruler too, so how come USA didn't attack China


Other than explaining this to you in my other post, I'm sure if China attacked one of the US's trading partners they just might.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 97
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/3/2009 9:45:35 PM
Sorot
Global means worldwide which includes USA, Europe, Russia, Israel etc. and NOT only USA. If you remember terrorists started to attack Europe too. However, the Iraqi war was started and initiated by only USA.


Actually it was started by Saddam Hussein in 1990 when he invaded Kuwait.

Have you ever listened to the speech that Bush, the liberator of fifty million people gave just prior to liberating the twenty five million people of Afghanistan? It explains many of your concerns;

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/
The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them. Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.


Sorot
Also, even if there is a War on Terror, it as against Terrorists, including but not limited to Bin Laden, Hasballah, Hamaz, Talliban, that American guy who blusted the building in Oklahama, terrorist organization within Russia, Europe and USA itself, not invading another country as Iraq where there was none of these illegal terrorists.


In the speech I linked to above, he explains who the enemy in this new war is and, it is certainly not the domestic terrorist McVeigh. As well, he also explains tactics that will be used in this new war;


We will direct every resource at our command -- every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war -- to the destruction and to the defeat of the global terror network. Now, this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat. Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes visible on TV and covert operations secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place until there is no refuge or no rest.


Yes Sorot, some very unconventional and sometimes dirty methods that he has laid out to a nation that at that time, wanted victory as all costs. In a previous post, I gave you the reasons for the invasion of Iraq. They are all in tune with this speech.

Sorot
Iraq could not be a front of so called War on Terror since Iraqi war was a war initiated by USA government against legitimate Iraqi government which was not terrorist.


He was a criminal in violation of ceasefire conditions. As well, he occupied a key piece of territory that was instrumental in gaining Saudi cooperation to rein in their Qutbist elements that they were appeasing.

Sorot You can call Saddam a threat to worldwide piece, etc, but he was not a terrorist. Iraqi war was started based on the fact that Iraq had nuclear development plans, however it did not have.

Actually I did not call Saddam Hussein a threat to worldwide peace but, he certainly was a threat to regional stability . As for supporting terrorism, he supported Hamas suicide bombers. As well, he was on the wrong side of the Bush doctrine (3) which was


Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.


Considering that Saddam had supplied passports to various Al Qaeda as well as medical attention rather than arresting them and turning them over to the US or, even transmitting their known presence, what side was he on?

Sorot
Iraq was artifically made a tactical front by IDIOT drunk Bush by at the same time lying entire nation bcs he felt like it catching Saddam without regard to all these details we are talking. Bush didn't care about his own people in USA, otherwise would act close to reasonable in New Orleans and save his own people. USA government at that time acted like bunch of drunk, ignorant, arrogant SOBs since again they just mislead people in USA and worldwide too saying all these lies about Iraq for a main purpose that mentally incapacated Bushie will revenge for his father.


Other than a bit of Bush Derangement Syndrome going on I’m not sure what point you are actually trying to make.

Sorot
Terrosits at that time were in Afganistan, so the war supposed to be there.


I believe that terrorist groups and ideological support were operating in over 60 countries worldwide with Saudi Arabia pumping out recruits and funding like a Pez dispenser. If you recall, this was not a war on Afghanistan but a War on all terrorist groups who have perverted the word of Islam and have a global reach. That would be best summed up as Qutbists.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 99
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/3/2009 11:46:19 PM
I didn't name it rather gave you the link where Bush defines it, the methods he will use and who the enemy is and, for ease of referring, calls it the War on Terror.

As I always said, it is a war on Qutbists. Plain and simple.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 101
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/4/2009 12:04:14 PM
Sorot
Even more, by a wide consensus of historians, by solid facts, and by his ratings during the term and especially after he left office, Bush is considered to be not one of the worst, but by far the worst president in USA history.


Historians? Sorot, it is a current event and history has not examined it yet. In any case, Bush freed fifty million people who were living under oppression and tyranny. If one loves oppression and tyranny then yes, Bush would have to be the worst but most people view being free as a good thing so, he has done a good thing to the extent that he has done it better than any learder ever has so, I believe that in twenty years or so, history will judge him rather well.

Sorot
He hes done wrongdoings similar to Nixon in Watergate scandal, and the only reason he wasn't prosecuted like Nixon was that these atrocities were directed to outside world, not within USA itself. So, him calling it War on Terror and most of the actions he conducted during that term should not only be examined but also rejected.


That is rather abstract. Could you be more specific please.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 102
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Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/4/2009 12:15:23 PM


He hes done wrongdoings similar to Nixon in Watergate scandal, and the only reason he wasn't prosecuted like Nixon was that these atrocities were directed to outside world, not within USA itself. So, him calling it War on Terror and most of the actions he conducted during that term should not only be examined but also rejected.

That is rather abstract. Could you be more specific please.
No it's not abstract at all. There are any number of threads in here that go into great detail as to why the "Shrub" should be prosecuted ... along with the "C0ck" and their whole gang of thugs.

All one has to do is do a thread search. Those of us who have been here a while have seen the information and so, it would probably behoove any new members to do the thread search necessary to see it. It never hurts and is always wise to learn how to do those thread searches ... eh?
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 104
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/4/2009 12:30:31 PM
Cotter
All one has to do is do a thread search. Those of us who have been here a while have seen the information and so, it would probably behoove any new members to do the thread search necessary to see it. It never hurts and is always wise to learn how to do those thread searches ... eh?


I looked around and didn't see anything of the kind except allegations and rants. Perhaps you could provide something more exacting.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 105
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Posted: 6/4/2009 1:09:39 PM

I looked around and didn't see anything of the kind except allegations and rants. Perhaps you could provide something more exacting.
A 52-year old self employed man should be bright enough to conduct the proper search to find the information we have been exchanging in here for a long time. Don't expect others to do the work for you.
Nice try though ...

If one really wants to find it, it can be found ... KEEP FISHING for it ...

If a person wants to run with the big dogs in here ... they need to be able to do the work that's involved. If not ... stay on the porch. I won't be doing your work for you.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 106
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/4/2009 2:15:19 PM
Actually, you wouldn't be doing my work but rather yours as you are the one supporting the contention that Bush has lied. After all, if it is too mcuh bother, why did you even interject yourself into this mini discussion between Sorot and I? Myself, I asked for something more concrete and, as one who is providing the contention, the onus is on you to provide the proof rather than tell me to 'go fish.'

Now, do you have something that indicates a pattern of systematic lying by Bush or not?
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 107
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Posted: 6/4/2009 3:13:45 PM


conduct the proper search to find the information we have been exchanging in here for a long time. Don't expect others to do the work for you.

Actually, you wouldn't be doing my work but rather yours as you are the one supporting the contention that Bush has lied. After all, if it is too mcuh bother, why did you even interject yourself into this mini discussion ...
Read the forum rules ... anyone is allowed to post and is welcome. No one "owns" a discussion on here.

Now, do you have something that indicates a pattern of systematic lying by Bush or not?
I see someone is new to the forums.

It's good practice for the beginners to do thread searches to find what they are looking for.

Like I said ... if a person can't run with the big dogs ... it's best to stay on the porch.

Learn to do the searches or be prepared to be ignored. You will not find people willing to do your searches for you.

OT ...
I think it's more than time to get the prosecutions going ... let's git er done.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 108
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/4/2009 3:24:13 PM
While nobody owns the forums, when one interjects you would expect them to have the courtesy to back up their contention, especially if they consider themselves to be a 'big dog.' Now, since I cannot prove a negative, and you either refuse or cannot prove what you consider to be a positive, I bid you good day.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 110
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/4/2009 10:22:05 PM
Sorot
History in this several years already examined and gave evaluations about ridiculous commanding of Bush's gang at that time.


Yes, you are correct in that history begins one moment after the action however, historians are blinded by prejudice the closer they are to the event. Hence, true impartial history will not become apparent until all the information is revealed (much of which is still classified) and, partisan viewpoints no longer exist.

Sorot
Also, again USA and any other president's primary responsibility is protecting his own citizens not "freeing" other nations in expense of his own people.


To begin the long process of changing the conditions which ferment Qutbism is protecting the US as it's allies and trading partners, which they depend on, were at direct risk. As well, at the time of 911, Qutbists enjoyed a better than 50% active and passive approval quorum within Saudi Arabia which raised concerns about a possible coup which, if enacted with the legitimacy of disenfranchised Royal Princes sympathetic to their cause, would give the movement a financial, government and military springboard to further takeovers rather than clandestine terrorist acts. Controlling the world's oil market with Europe ready to pay, sell and trade anything, including weapons, reactors, political favors is what would have sooner or later drawn the US into it against an entire motivated and modern equipped Qutbist nation composed of however many countries time allowed them to take over and control until the US finally took the uncomfortable action .

Sorot
You can google it, put some keywords and find out that it is a prevailing opinion among professional geopoliticans, economists, political correspondents, even military professionals etc. Political science is not a math, you can't have a prove of real consequences of wars, doing or not doing anything, even in such exact sciences as physics along with proof people use abstract thinking and consensus (prevailing opinion of professionals without prove).


So you just take their word for it? No research, no facts, just others opinions? How many of those professionals even mentioned that Bush freed fifty million people? That in itself, even if done as a side consequence of something you don't approve of or, for indirect reasons is an historic high point for the human race. Much akin to the lunar landings or, the American Revolution. Heck, saving freedom and costing lives in the process, Lincoln paled compared to Bush so why don't they have the intellectual honesty to mention that and instead, take the popular way out and just jump on the sock puppet band wagon and dis him?

It is so easy for historians who are politically polarized professionals to inject their own politics into their assessments when done so soon after the event. (and yes, the reports are 61% - 98% disapproval.) Which is why, we, as people with a brain, discussing this matter should not simply rely on their biased reports but, rather facts themselves as we know them.

To be honest, I don't like Bush. As a former soldier, I hated shirkers as well as weasels and, Bush, until he was in the limelight was exactly that. However, after making his decision to go into Iraq (which was the best decision out of less than a handful of terrible ones that could have been made) stuck with it, despite calls to leave and allow it to disintegrate into a chaotic blood bath. Heck, even a stopped clock is right twice a day and so, despite the inferior strategy involved at the start, he got lucky and liberated fifty million people.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 112
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/4/2009 11:43:07 PM
Sorot
If this is the case, then it is Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. We are talking about Iraq invasion.


50% plus support for Qutbists in the holy land of Islam huh? Good move if your intent is to turn every single Muslim on the planet into a suicide bomber. Better to invade a country that is inhabited by a monster the whole world wants out of power, sanctioned by the UN, most of the Arab world and is in violation of a ceasefire and then, explain to the Royal Saudis that if they don't crack down on their problem the US will, from their bases in Iraq be they in the oil fields or otherwise.

Sorot
Also, when we are talking about oil market, it's a fact that as soon as Bush attacked oil prices doubled. As soon as Obama started to show different attitude, show respect to muslim world, the price of the oil got cut in half.


It was not about the supply of oil to the US but the power Qutbists would gain from control of it. In fact, the US gets less oil from Iraq now than they did from Saddam. More facts are that of all the oil imports, 30% of it comes from the ME with less than fifteen percent of that from Iraq.

Sorot
It very well might be that these politicians, historians who almost unanomously disapprove Bush's decision have brains too. In addition to this, they are kind of professionals in that field, making living that way as opposed to us here just taking our frustrations and trying to do a little part in forming some opinion. I am not even sure how these forums are being reviewed and viewed in google and other search, otherwise this may in some extent seem like waste of time except socializing.


I prefer to view the facts themselves and make my own mind up. Of course, they are interesting to read but, if you are going to just let others make your own judgments for you then let me know which 'historian' you are the sock puppet of.

Sorot
As a former soldier myself, I wanted to beat him up for running from the White House like a little girl as soon as he knew about the 911 attack. The commender of the Army does not run. Low life, alcoholic, racist people like him are ready and have done only negative things.


He was actually in a school in Sarasota when it happened and, most people view the fact he didn't run as a fault rather than your opinion which makes this rather refreshing as you are different for a change. However, when attacked, the main function of the President is to keep the executive intact which means no heroics (thank goodness for him) and, to allow the security people to go through the SOPs and ensure his safety.

Sorot
if you watched the movie that coward MFer was humiliated in the Army and couldn't stand for himself and if his father wasn't Bush Sr. he would be someone to deliver donats for other guys.


Do you speak of the Oliver Stone Movie?

Sorot
This is the problem people in USA have, the life is too fast paste, they don't have too much time to think, analyze and just go with imagies, he just created a false image and didn't have a reasonable opponent but "greenpeace lover" Gore. And the second term he stayed merely bcs nobody changes the president during the war.


I think the second term was due to the fact that Kerry came off too plastic. A better the devil you know sort of deal.
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 114
Joe Biden calls for prosecution of George Bush (maybe)
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:31:23 AM
Sorot
I am not a pupped, I have already made you my puppet for admitting it was not a war on terror while at the beginning you were telling oppsite.


It is a war against Qutbism. Just like I have said since the beginning of our exchanges. That you have no idea of what a Qutbist is indicative of your lack of reading.

Sorot
You are dancing under my horn for you telling first that you watch Bushe's speaches and being so admired about him, and then in one of your recent messages telling that you hate him and so on so forth.


I explained in my last post that even somebody that is not very likable can still be right.

Sorot
confusing Saudi Arabia with Iraq,


Please read my posts where I explain the strategic importance and relevance to why Iraq was instrumental to the War on Terror. It is it's proximity to Saudi Arabia.

Sorot
confusing war on terror with only one organization,


Once again Sorot, look up Qutbism. It is embraced by almost every radical Islamic terrorist .

Sorot
telling that all these professionals and all these people participating in message boards are idiots and your meaningless ideas and assessments and "predictions" are correct.


I call nobody an idiot even if they are mistaken or obstinate. Forums are not worth being emotionally involved in and, neither is politics. That you wish to call me somebody with a 'fuked up mind' is fine as it means little but adds zero to the discussion however, I would prefer discussing the matter with facts rather than emotion but, such is life on forums I suppose.

Have a pleasant night in any case. Say, Obama made a speech today that in my opinion may change a lot of things. I started a thread on it and, from what I read, it has a lot of Bush policies in it which he inherited but presented in a whole new light. You should take a look and I would be interested to see what you think.
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