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Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 116
Enlightenment...Page 6 of 6    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
Stray Cat:
Opinions are like insect exoskeletons that our minds crawl out of
as we grow bigger ones.
Love that!
Joined: 10/29/2011
Msg: 117
Posted: 11/9/2011 6:51:14 PM
Is it sad that my opinion of what enlightenment really is hasn't changed?

To me, it is still beyond description because as soon as the act of describing is taking place, attention is taken away. However, it is still fun to try and to some of us, it is our solemn duty to do so.

What do you think enlightenment is?

Being awake to our true nature, understanding that through cause and effect we are all connected and the ability to act or react without thinking.

What distinguishes an enlightened person from a non-enlightened person?

I don't know but my gut says compassion.

Is it an end in and of itself, or a process/journey?

A process I'd wager. I don't rightly believe in absolute finality. Even when the whole of creation is enlightened, it will be the beginning. Now is always the beginning.

What is the purpose of enlightenment.. ?

To know Ourself.
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 119
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Posted: 11/13/2011 2:36:55 PM
Back to the original questions, and to expand on my (somewhat grumpy) old post:

What do you think enlightenment is?

There are two basic definitions at work in the world. One is the one I referred to a ways back, and is applied by someone from the OUTSIDE, to indicate they approve of what another person thinks and/or says. That was the "grumpy" part of what I said before.

The other definition is from the viewpoint of the individual, from within their own sense of the world. I have had a sense of "enlightenment" many times in my life, and I expect to have many more. Most commonly, I feel it when I find a "big picture" way to look at what had previously seemed to be unrelated ideas or things, and discover how they relate and interact in a way that makes sense. The dual definition of "enlightened" can apply, both in that I "see" more clearly (as in having acquired more LIGHT), and alternately that I feel that I have had burdens of confusion lifted from me (thus making my existence burdens feel "lighter).

What distinguishes an enlightened person from a non-enlightened person?

Again, the two versions apply:

Those who use "enlightened" as a way to categorize others as to be approved of, or discouraged, it is defined by those applying the label, in whatever capricious or manipulative, or power-managing manner they choose to use. I often see people use "enlightened" to indicate that someone they like, has become as dogmatic and self-blinded as they have about something. Those who believe in the power of "love," are in this way identical to those who believe in the strength of "hate."
Needless to say ( I hope), I do not myself think that anyone who chooses blindness, qualifies as "enlightened," no matter what form of blindness they have chosen to adopt.

The other version, I would say that what differentiates the enlightened person from the unenlightened one, can only be seen within a prescribed subject area. And the "enlightened" one, is the one who has a firm, complete grasp of the subject matter, and can apply their insights to new circumstances within that subject area, while the "unenlightened" person, is still confused, and/or still making choices based on rote memorization of rule sets.

Is it an end in and of itself, or a process/journey?

This depends upon the subject you are talking about when you ask about enlightenment. Unless you are talking about the ultimate insight that I HOPE to have when I reach the end of my life, then enlightenment is always more like a mile marker, than a complete journey in and of itself.

I felt tremendously "enlightened" my first time, when I was about two months old, and I realized that I could crawl up and sit on a step in my parents house, and from that lofty vantage point see ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE ROOM. It was such an exciting and mind-opening realization, that I still remember to well to this day, almost 60 years later.

What is the purpose of enlightenment.. ?

I believe THIS question is VERY dependent upon the person who "controls" what the particular form of enlightenment they are talking about, actually IS.

For my own part, I would not say that enlightenment really has a purpose, rather it IS an experience. It can be a very visceral one, at times. I benefit tremendously from it, but to say it has a PURPOSE, would require that I also believe that there is a defined PATH that my life is all about. It certainly performs a very useful function in my life, increasing my ability to enjoy things, even sometimes including unpleasant things that happen in my life.
Thus I would say enlightenment is more of a RESULT than a thing to be sought, such as in the way that a diploma is.
Joined: 12/21/2007
Msg: 120
Posted: 12/1/2011 12:31:06 PM
For me I consider enlightenment to be a person who seeks their own path...and tolerates others~ uses discernment in situations and involvements to harm no one~ however, when others express their full range(from aberrant to exceeding the norm) of potential I believe an enlightened person accepts these qualities as the expressed reflection of the enlightened self's inner characteristics and societal creation of humanity...I do not claim to meet my criteria for enlightenment...
Joined: 12/21/2007
Msg: 121
Posted: 12/22/2011 7:41:44 PM
enlightenment for me is satisfaction in my walk where I arrived.
I am here.. and happy to live today... forever and ever exactly where I am.. thank you....
take flight poet.. fly on....your words enlighten no one. are pious and arrogant.. but thank you anyway.. home is where the heart is...planted firmly... spit out the lukes the luggeess. dont swallow the luggeeesss.. muahhhhh... oNly swallow PASSION>>> PERIOD>>>> enlightment. everything else soar away... WE walk our selves home when we are good and ready... I will not be shepherded unto a demise..... being led to your home is not enlightenment it is a shephard leads you out to pasture not home. Home one finds on their own.....Choose your you need a shepherd or light.. flic of my bic kind sir... or match or maybe a spark or something to lead us to connect to our homes and stop searching outside of ourselves/// find shelter in my won beliefs.. Hey maybe you'd have more fun watching tv from the sky...
Joined: 1/9/2012
Msg: 122
Posted: 1/22/2012 2:04:15 PM
To Be Spiritual:

"So much is misunderstood about the nature of spirit, as spirit is not a science, it is not linear. Spirit is a connectivity, a space of merging with eternity where linear machinations fold and implode upon themselves, and things progress in non-linear fashion where you could go from the middle straight to an end point, or from the end point directly to the beginning in a fraction of the time as a linear progression of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. It is called "the short path" and it is called the path of "intimacy"; and spirit is intimacy.

To be spiritual is to merge in alignment with your intimate self and dedicate that intimacy within the vitality that is you, that song of truth, and dedicate it to an emerging realignment and merging; an emergence of a gestalt to reunite with a Higher Collective of you. This is a reunion of oneness progressing back into the singular "all". That is spirit, that is spirituality.

Spirituality is two lovers running on the beach back into an immaculate re-embrace. Spirituality cannot be used as a weapon, spirituality cannot be used to coerce, spirituality that is coercion is not spiritual. For spirituality is intimacy and love, and oppression is not love and is not intimate.

It is like two lovers and when one lover is with another both must remain vulnerable and expand into a greater sum of the parts, a gestalt phenomenon back into a higher collective of oneness. Together they coalesce and form something that is greater than the sum of their individual selves, and that is spirituality, that is intimacy, that is reunion, that is the river of eternity flowing forth to usher in the gradual expansion of "many" back into "all"."
Joined: 1/12/2012
Msg: 123
Posted: 2/26/2012 3:33:45 PM
I think true enlightenment is not something we achieve here in this lifetime but rather after as a result of lessons learned. It is something to strive for. However I do agree to some extent with this post as well:

I feel it when I find a "big picture" way to look at what had previously seemed to be unrelated ideas or things, and discover how they relate and interact in a way that makes sense. The dual definition of "enlightened" can apply, both in that I "see" more clearly (as in having acquired more LIGHT), and alternately that I feel that I have had burdens of confusion lifted from me (thus making my existence burdens feel "lighter).

Joined: 1/2/2016
Msg: 124
Posted: 3/30/2016 11:51:24 PM
Thus far ih8tefrogstoo, you are the only one who has a glimpse of beyond enlightenment which is Transcendence and beyond, far beyond. I am amazed at the Humanist prospective, which is no different, has not changed since the beginning of mankind. It is and always will be the cause of the cause of as in the twentieth century, killed more in wars then all previous wars since the beginning of mankind, by itself suggests a problem. Something is wrong.

Given all the enlightened ones through the centuries, and from this blog or whatever it is, with all you guys doing what you are doing, if effective, wouldn't peace have already have already occurred, as opposed just the opposite which has and will, with our present path, continue.

This suggest that wonderful feeling, the word in itself suggest, light,,,,, ah, enlightenment, now I am laughing at myself, t having explained this well enough why it is not more then just a nice feeling. The book will be done shortly, actually was going to go into a short description of it and short is impossible as almost all we hold as truths are not only questioned but dismissed totally. Far beyond enlightenment there exist something for the moment lets call listening. thank you, , Doug
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