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 dragonpat
Joined: 9/29/2006
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First off, i will agree the US's policies have helped form some of the hatred for this country. We have supplied the terrorists in the past, we have treated other countries like pawns. I agree we need to stop.
The war in Iraq, well we do need to get out. Bases in Saudi, get out. Matter of fact, we can get out of every country that doesnt want us there. I personally favor all of these. I think we should and not simply for the world opinion, but the financial reasons alone.

Then do you think the terrorists will love us?

I wonder if they will think that they have us on the run. And what will these groups do to the nations we abandon? Will we be crying again about the oppression in Afganistan? But remember we also need to keep our nose out of other peoples business.
 itechman63
Joined: 7/7/2005
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Posted: 9/12/2008 10:40:32 AM
Any love would have to earned over time. No, it's silliness to believe that leaving places where we aren't wanted or ceasing unconditional support for oppressive regimes would generate a Barney and Friends kind of love for the US.

There will be hardened haters already in movements and cells that already have their reasons to seek vengeance. There always are, have been, and will be those where destruction is their reason to exist. They exist, have their agendas, and will have to be dealt with. Yes... for these men there does have to be sound strategies to deal with them.

But when those who do already exist go to young Saudis trying to recruit on the basis that infidel troops occupy their holy lands or that the West provides unconditional support for their oppressive regime, how many would sacrifice their own lives in suicide bombings or leave everything behind on a singular cause of destruction?
 StrangerInTheHouse
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 9/12/2008 10:46:27 AM
The US creates it's own terrorism.
The truth is that WWII made the US rich and we fell in love with the prosperity it brought. I pulled us out of the depression and we became a full-time war economy.
Every once in awhile, some president has to juice that up with some declaration of a "war to spread democracy", a "war against communism" or a "war on terror"... but that's the main plan... no matter what.. the central theme of US foreign policy and the US economy, if you will.

We couldn't possibly sustain single digit unemployment and the growth we have without it. Military sales are the biggest industry in the world and just to make sure they sell well, we train our enemies just in case some don't spring up on their own. We had the Brits train Osama Bin Ladin. We trained Manuel Noriega at the school of the Americas. We gave biochems to Saddam. We actually started Iran's nuclear program back in 1969, after we had to remove our missiles from Iran as part of the cuban missile crisis agreement... After all, who could blame us if Iran had it's OWN nukes pointed at the Russians?
But now that we're attacking in the middle east, we're not so comfy with that.
Reagan sold satellite technology to the Chinese in 88... then they build ICBM's... do you think this was a surprise?
IN Iraq, we bought 200,000 weapons with taxpayer's money and GAVE THEM AWAY!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/08/gao-190000-us-w.html

As long as we sell weapons, war is good for business.
We even elected the first family of the arms industry, the Bush's... two of them, as presidents.
Look it up.
 eeeo4U
Joined: 6/25/2007
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Posted: 9/12/2008 1:26:34 PM
And prior to 1947 when Harry Truman recognized Israel, they were all just romantic "Desert Song" nomads who wouldn't harm a fly...yeah right.
 itechman63
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Posted: 9/12/2008 5:46:06 PM
i see the light ITECHMAN.

it's all AMERICA'S fault.


And I didn't even have to try that hard. Common sense prevails!

Geesh. People wear their bloodthirst on their sleeves and wonder why others want to kill them.

Look at all the free infidels within a stones throw of the Middle East not being blown up by suicide bombers. I see... they just like the challenge of having to cross oceans to blow up infidels because going to Europe would just be too easy.


And prior to 1947 when Harry Truman recognized Israel, they were all just romantic "Desert Song" nomads who wouldn't harm a fly...yeah right.


Were they blowing themselves up in the name of martrydom?
 Saver1
Joined: 2/1/2008
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Posted: 9/12/2008 10:38:58 PM
Jumpswings

We have a large number of Muslim people here in NZ and they are as normal as anyone else, hard working, pay their taxes, respect the law, mind their own business etc.
So please don’t generalize.
I’m afraid my friend you are ignorant and ill-informed about Islam and Muslim culture in general.

I suggest you should take a trip to a Mulslim country and I can guarantee you that you will find all sorts of faiths, colour, race in there, and guess what, those the so called “Muslim people” are very peaceful toward them and see them no different from themselves. Why? Well, because those people didn’t hurt them, or insult their religion.

Please understand that Islam is only a religion who has one billion of followers from all over the world - just as any other spirituality. Your quotes are centuries old and therefore they are irrelevant. Peoples’ thinking and attitude toward lives have changed over time, religious extremists are unwelcome by all societies in the Middle East, they hate them their.


I cannot believe that there are some people in this forum think it’s okay to eradicate Muslim people. You people need to go to a psychiatric hospital to get a treatment because you have a disease which I call misanthrope, it’s a dangerous one, if you failed to treat it as soon as possible you will go psycho in no time. I thought we have past Hitler’s era. Lighten up people.

Do you think people in Iraq will say we love the USA after the US government killed a half million of their won people and caused irreversible rift between their sects (the Sunni and Shia, Christian). I mean seriously think about it, if you were an Iraqi how would you feel if you have lost your mum, brother, sister or your whole family just because USA army drops a missile on them by accident. Wouldn’t you try everything in you power to do something for them huh, think about it.

To eradicate terrorism:
1: you have to solve the Israel and Palestine conflict - it’s a must.
2: Spread education and raise awareness about the benefit of democracy - this must be done through a peaceful initiative and in accordance with each country’s culture.
3: If there are hardcore extremists whom existence causes nothing but trouble, then the US should tactfully persuade their irrespective countries and take them out by a high tech weapon without invading that country. And I am talking here about Muslim, Jewish, Christian extremists.

You have to understand that 99 % of the world and this include Middle Eastern countries wish they could have a good system similar to the one that the Americans have in their own country, where if you work hard you’ll achieve your goals and dreams.
Imagine if American government adhere to the same system when dealing with other countries, wouldn’t the world be a more peaceful place, I bet it would.
Final note:
There should be a system not only in the State but in all democratic countries, in which every politician can only serve for 7 years or less and give a way to new people. This because if politicians remain active for so many years - then nothing will ever change, same ideas and same mentality. Fresh people with fresh ideas are the only way forward to a better country and better world.

Peace/love
 itechman63
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Posted: 9/12/2008 11:41:10 PM
It wasn't that long ago I was of the "Nuke 'em all" mentality. It's so easy to be there. We're just us going about our lives and these guys fly planes into heavily populated buildings just for a free ride to paradise. Then someone asked me about history. Asked me to think about how I would feel if this, this, and this was what my life was like.

The history showed me how people reacted under circumstances forced upon them versus circumstances closer to what they would choose. In history, in spite of the quotes listed here from the Quran, when Muslims lived the kinds of lives closer to what they would choose they didn't kill non-Muslims for being non-Muslim and least of all they never killed themselves. They lived peacefully amongst non-Muslims.

I consider that I am much like the colonists of the US before the Revolutionary War. How did they react to being oppressed by Britain? They were terrorists! How would I feel about being oppressed and desperate? I'd be one of the first to grab a musket and hike to Bunker Hill.

Our nation itself was formed not because our religion told us to kill the British, but because our forefathers felt the same way the disregarded Islamic peoples feel now and we are their British. This is "1 + 1" and "the shortest distance between two points" stuff people!

Our stake in the Israel-Palestinian conflict is crucial because of the image projected by our unconditional support for Israel. 9/11 occurred immediately after the US walked out of the UN Human Rights conference that turned into a condemnation of Israel. I don't think we should turn our backs on Israel at all and I know there is no easy answer to that conflict. Still we are seen as the enablers of Palestinian oppression based on our support. Our unconditional backing of Israel is seen as what gives them the power to oppress.

When I was shown these facts I was angry that I was so easily led to believe that terrorism emanated from simple religious hatred or hatred for "our freedom" and way of life. Everyone that buys the current administration/GOP line... they know better but simply want you to believe the propaganda. It's not important if they believe the lies, it's important for you to buy into them.
 Beefcakedaddio
Joined: 6/6/2007
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Posted: 9/13/2008 1:16:44 AM
Great post itechman42!
 Bluesman2008
Joined: 4/2/2008
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Posted: 9/13/2008 1:53:48 AM

It wasn't that long ago I was of the "Nuke 'em all" mentality. It's so easy to be there.


There seems to be a correlation between the onset of Viagra/Cialis et al, injective into the cultural mainstream and the rise (pardon the inescapable pun) in violence? Coincidence?


When I was shown these facts I was angry that I was so easily led to believe that terrorism emanated from simple religious hatred or hatred for "our freedom" and way of life.


Don't you find it interesting how easily we seem to "know" when what we're really doing is feeling something without really knowing why? It's pretty hard to defend (look around here for all the wreckage LMAO).

itechman42 that's exactly right on the money. I really think we have to start a brand new party. The NMBS (anyone can guess what the "BS" is). Wouldn't that be refreshing. It'll be the NMBS vs. the MIBS. Popcorn sold and film at eleven. Don King will referee the bout.
 Saver1
Joined: 2/1/2008
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Posted: 9/13/2008 2:11:22 PM
To Jumpswings

“I am not your friend”

This tells me what type of person you are, however, as a human being I till see you as a friend. I think you have a personal problem with Islam itself, in which has no place in this forum – this forum is for intellectual discussion. I’m not here to challenge, I am only here to discuss my opinion and read others’ opinions whom are more open-mined rational.
Oh… I forget that you come from South Africa, so no wonder why you hold all this personal begrudges.

You have to understand, every Muslim nations interpret the Quran in a way that fits well with their societies norm. In other words, their cultures influenced the Quran’s interpretation. For example, if you visit Dubai you will find it very different from Saudi Arabia in how they see and interpret the Quran.

Your claims are tenuous because they are not based on a first hand experience.

From my experience working in the Gulf I knew Saudi Arabia has a law in which if someone steals something, he/she will be given a warning the first time, second time is imprisonment with a warning that the third time he/she will lose a hand.
Eye for an eye, if someone deliberately kills someone then he/she will get the same treatment unless the parents’ victim chooses to forgive. And so……

You need to drop the personal hatred toward Islam and be programmatic and rational. Also when you discuss something, you have to understand that people are culturally different and therefore they don’t think or see think in the way that you see them. They are different so don’t expect them to act or behave just like you. Open up.


Here is a therapeutic technique that might help you loosen up. Take deep breaths and let them out slowly – it will help you to relax because hatred kills the hater alive.

Peace/love
 Saver1
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Posted: 9/13/2008 2:28:41 PM
If I may also add this good example,

Women in Saudi Arabia aren’t allowed to drive but in all the other Muslim countries they drive, they rules, they govern etc. So why, well because it’s the culture, Saudi Arabia is full of tribes who still behind in term of education etc, and has nothing to do with Islam. Their Prophet Mahmud’s wife was a business woman, she supported him financially, he wasn’t a shame if that, unlike now where it is frown upon by some Middle Eastern culture.

In Iran, they practice Islam quite different from those in the Gulf and others Muslim.

I am not defend Islam, I am an atheist myself not big fan of religions, but hate it when people based their argument on misconceptions and lies.
 faith2565
Joined: 3/25/2006
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Posted: 9/13/2008 3:19:21 PM
Defeat and create are two different words. Just think about it.
 Saver1
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Posted: 9/13/2008 3:53:30 PM
I meant South African has been through so much, social unrest etc, which caused so much hatred and social rift. Sadly that hatred is still lingering and undercurrent in some of mind of South African people. Hopefully time will eventually heal all of that.

I meant no offence to South African people.

I didn’t make an assumption when I thought that you were from South African. Here is what you said in an earlier post Quote “I remember my sister telling me back in the the mid 1980's, whilst in school in South Africa ( she lived just outside Johannesburg)”.

As for friendship, I knew that will never meet you, however I always see all human kinds are my friends, and you are one of them.

So, peace my friend, and sorry if I offended you.

Yes back to the topic
 faith2565
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Posted: 9/13/2008 5:43:41 PM
We defeat the person that actually attacks us and not create a war to get back at someone that hurt our family. Just a thought.
 jamminjeff
Joined: 2/20/2006
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Posted: 9/13/2008 11:51:03 PM
One very important step is to Impeach George W Bush and Richard Cheney. They are 2 of the most dangerous terrorists in the world!
 jamminjeff
Joined: 2/20/2006
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Posted: 10/23/2008 9:05:32 PM
And don't vote for John W. McSame and Lipstick Falin! Vote for Obama/Biden, and hope Diebold doesn't convert your vote to McSame/Falin.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 128
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Posted: 4/11/2016 10:06:14 AM
New bombings in Russia and Afghanistan, recruited suicide bombers

Why don't we get some artists to make some "anti-terrirism" videos that would be perceived as cool and try to dissuade them from blowing themselves up? Or are they already doing that?

Pop, hip hop and rock artists have all kinds of influence. Why not make some counter recruitment you tube videos.
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