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 toomuch13
Joined: 6/28/2007
Msg: 51
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"and maybe you think that when you pass 25 life is over but I think Madonna (and contemporaries her age) have pretty much proven that women can stay sexy and innovative far beyond the Hannah Montana years."

Tina Turner is nearing 70 and showing more class and grace than Madonna. She is on tour now too, but not wearing get-ups from 1994. Madonna can't say the same.

Sorry, I do not buy Madonna being so original. Maybe, because I saw Prince do it all first. Prince had his women wearing their underwear out first. Prince was discussing sex and God in his music before anyone heard of Madonna.

I think Madonna had a great platform to get beyond the sex symbol ideology pushed on women, but instead decided to pander to it. That to me is quite sad and a horrible message for younger women. Is staying 25 forever the only way?

Madonna is no Prince Rogers Nelson.
 rraefyn
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 52
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/8/2008 1:09:54 AM
Oscarz post #57

Hmmm...superlative manipulators of the media...to sell what?...art or artifice...content or conduct...I stand by my first impressions of Madonna...All flash...no substance...

Oscarz..dear Oscarz...I hardly believe life is over at 25 ...as a matter of fact I'm from the school of thought that believes it doesn't really get revving till your forty and up...

My statement pertains specifically to the limitations inherent in identifying one's self as "sexy" in the entertainment world. We are all familiar with the old adage "sex sells" and it is a winning formula...up to a point.

I believe we have all witnessed enough plastic surgery disasters of otherwise attractive but dare I say.... aging, sexy stars to warrant a second glance at how the media defines "sexy".

When one is driven to manipulate the natural aging process to continue ones viability as a "pop" star in order to maintain an image of youth beyond the reality..one stands on a slippery slope.

I suppose it depends on your standard of sexy...Oscarz
I'm not personally turned on by plastic...

Madonna's face is morphing as we speak...what price fame?

51 and plastic free...I'm bringing sexy back...LOL
 sharon_isfine4now
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 53
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/8/2008 7:17:35 AM
Who cares about plastic surgery anyway, they ALL have it done. ..
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.She is sexy? Depends on who you ask....Apparently her husband that divorced her didnt think so....

He had mentioned that she spent relentless hours working out and dancing all day that she was too tired and never wanted sex, but there is a difference between looking "sexy" and being sexual....

.On the Tina Turner comment, I totally agree with you on her as a performer.....She is from my hometown and as a teenager we watched her at a local club when she was just starting out with Ike....It was called the Ike and Tina Turner Revue... They were so different, the way they dressed,performed and sang...

Somehow we knew, even as kids, that they would be a hit.....

The dancing was so different, not to mention when she came out with "Proud Mary"....But her latest success was larger after he left the act.....And she is still going strong......

I just prefer Madonna to listen to, and I do think maybe she might have one good round left in her....

50 is still pretty young, and she likes to team up with some younger, like Pharrell and Timeberlake.....That draws a different and younger listener....Maybe she should have included them on her current tour, but then again, that would have cost even more than the outrageous prices she was already charging.....
 rraefyn
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 54
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/8/2008 11:54:40 AM
Call me frugal...but if I was paying $500.00 !!! for a ticket to any concert I would expect more than a little originality...

Madonna's "innovative talents" rely more on her ability to manipulate the media (and through a very narrow window, I might add..) than through her skills as a singer/dancer.

Expensive production can never equal authentic vocal talents... although it can mask poor ones...and wooden, repetitive body contortions do not a dancer make...

Madonna concerts sell because she's still riding the wave of hype she created lo, those many years ago...

I'll save my money for a Bjork concert...I'm confident I'll get more bang for my buck...

As for Ms. Turner...ah...now there's veteran talent...and a whole other kettle of fish.
 toowild4u
Joined: 7/6/2007
Msg: 55
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/9/2008 8:56:34 AM
I like that Madonna is playing more electric guitar these last few years. I kind of wish she's been doing this all along. Truth be told, she CAN play, acoustically and of course, electric. I think she would have picked up more respect from other musicians, fans & guitar mags if she'd gone that route, than to concentrate on controversy, cone-shaped bras and all of the other insanity that made her famous.

Plus, her recent Rock Hall of Fame induction would have had much more credibility if she's been more of a musician than a dancing performer. It would be nice to hear a CD of her own work with guitars, rather than listening to the same old dance beats, samples, duets and other non-original music.

The only CD that she's ever put out that I respect is Ray Of Light. That is her only mature CD to date, as far as original material that actually sounds decent.
 sharon_isfine4now
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 56
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/10/2008 2:23:37 PM
Yes...I agree with you.....Madonna and Tina are very talented, just a matter of preference of what you like....

A previous post mentioned her "Ray of Light" cd, and that will get you moving for sure....

I enjoy watching her "Reinvention Tour" , I think it is some of her best work , just totally different than what she is doing now...
 toomuch13
Joined: 6/28/2007
Msg: 57
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/10/2008 3:41:47 PM
"interesting that you brought up prince though. they are almost the same age and their debut albums were released at almost the same time. hard to see how you can say he had such a jump on her. tell the truth I think they have a great deal in common."

You are joking right?

Prince Rogers Nelson was born June 7, 1958 in Minneapolis, MN and Madonna Louise Ciccone was born August 16, 1958 in Bay City, MI. That makes them the same age with Prince being two months older than Vadge. Besides Vadge ripping Prince off and being born the same year, even though Vadge lied about her year of birth for years, that is all they have in common. Michael Jackson was also born in August of 1958.

Prince's debut album, "For You," came out in April 1978 from Warner Brothers. He composed all his own music, played all his own instruments, and wrote all his own songs. Madonna's debut album, Madonna, came out July 1983 from Sire Records. She might have written a few lyrics, but it was the brainchild of John "Jellybean" Benitez. Remember him? 1978 and 1983 are not close in my idea of time.

Please don't insult Prince by comparing him to Madonna.
 Janice T.
Joined: 7/28/2008
Msg: 58
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/10/2008 4:50:42 PM
You mean she actually has talent!!!!!
 toomuch13
Joined: 6/28/2007
Msg: 59
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/10/2008 8:13:02 PM
"I didnt say that they were the same person, I said I thought that they had a great deal in common and I am not kidding."

They have one thing in common, they are born in the same year. I do not find anything original about Madonna except her business sense. Whenever I hear Madonna, all I think is "who is she ripping off now?" Whenever I hear Prince, it is always something to think about and new. Even the stuff that was odd was still good. Prince at his worse is still ten times better than Madonna at her best studio production.

I think you are just a Madonna fan and there is nothing wrong with that, but Madonna has always been big on media manipulation and slim on musical ability. The one song that described her best was "Material Girl" and she lived up to it in spades.

Prince is a genius and is up there with Mozart and Beethoven.
 Qamila
Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 60
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/10/2008 9:34:57 PM
I know that you're a Prince fan, but really! You think he can compare to Mozart and Beethoven. I'm sorry, but that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
 James_in_SD
Joined: 7/3/2006
Msg: 61
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/10/2008 10:21:59 PM
Prince is a genius?... He changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol, to make it shorter, and what happened? His name becames six times LONGER: The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. That's hardly the mark of a genius.
 rraefyn
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 62
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/11/2008 1:18:59 AM
Hey, guys how did we end up with Prince again?...good point James, all the same...and ya know that was a hard symbol to pronounce...I always had trouble saying," hey guys have you heard the latest from anrhkrr....oh ya know the purple guy"... sheesh.
And to Oscarz;
I'm not sure if crediting Madonna with influencing later pop stars is such a great accolade. Personally, I'm getting a little bored watching young women posing in semi-naked crotch shots in lieu of actual talent.
See Britney's latest contribution... oy vey...
That girl tries to cover so much soft porn territory it made my head spin. Let's see dom chauffeur...sexatary...sweaty buff babe...innocent kitten.
Then again I'm not a man so perhaps I'm missing the vital info here...
Where is Immortal Beloved when you need him?
 Thatguy67
Joined: 9/20/2006
Msg: 63
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Posted: 11/11/2008 4:37:21 AM

He changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol, to make it shorter, and what happened? His name becames six times LONGER: The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. That's hardly the mark of a genius.


But even that became shortened to TAFKAP.

 sharon_isfine4now
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 64
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/11/2008 7:29:09 AM
" Prince is a genius and is up there with Mozart and Beethoven"

well, I dont know much about Prince, but do of the 2 Composers, and your fondness of him is enduring, so I will have to listen to him....

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs....

As far as the Madonna statement, that she is a role model for womens fashion,

after her last venue, I don't think I will be copying any of her latest styles....I will stick to wearing my jeans....
 toomuch13
Joined: 6/28/2007
Msg: 65
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/12/2008 2:22:41 PM
" You think he can compare to Mozart and Beethoven. I'm sorry, but that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time."

I am not the only one who has compared Prince to Beethoven and Mozart. Many musicians and music scholars put him in the same league as past composers. Prince was a child musical progeny too and many consider him a musical genius.
 toonsmith
Joined: 1/19/2005
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Posted: 11/12/2008 3:24:13 PM
Madonna and Prince do share some similarities. It does seem to be a fine line between genius and madness, and both have displayed moments of musical clarity that have inspired the masses.

The flip side, both should stay away from any future cinematic ventures. We don't need any more "Under the Cherry Moon" or "Shanghi Suprises".

Madonna has pretty much gone off the deep end with the Kabbala gig. The director Kevin Smith reveals some bizarre tales of the Jehvoah side of Prince in one of his Q & A videos.

Careful musical icons... your madness is showing!

Granted, you do have to have a huge ego to get up in front of millions and do what they do. But I am puzzled as to why Prince records sooooo much material and just simply stores it away?..... much like the recluse Howard Hughes and his storing of his body fluids in the 1970's?

I guess we can overlook the strange for those moments of entertainment magic where everything comes together. We love to be entertained and there is no doubt they both worked hard to entertain us. But whoa, that Michael Jackson Zone isn't too far off and it isn't inconcievable that either artist would end up in tawdry headlines....

Prince starts own cult.... Madonna wants to be the VP with Palin in 2012....

What is startling is that ANYTHING can happen with these celebrities. I'd like to see both Prince AND Madonna up there on the stage together. I'd pay good money to see that! The Purple Bling Tour
 sharon_isfine4now
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 67
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Posted: 11/12/2008 5:01:39 PM
"Prince starts own cult-Madonna wants to be the VP with Palin in 2012.."

tee hee...but Madonna, I doubt, makes her own chile.....

I think I would go with Madonna over Palin in that one....Even though her political beliefs are somewhat different than mine, I think her voice would be heard from even a larger audience....

Anyone that draws the crowds that she does, at least she could sit down in front of Katie Couric or Charlie Gibson and not need hours of rehearsing and coaching...She is a natural when there is an audience....

As far as seeing Madonna and Prince in concert, could be interesting. As long as they don't perform at the United Center.....
 GuitarPlayer45
Joined: 9/3/2007
Msg: 68
Madonna concert tour,,Why dont some men like her????
Posted: 11/12/2008 7:44:54 PM

I agree with Britney Spears comment, and also the plastic surgery thing, but seriously, she doesn't even play the guitar??? hehe, too funny, and more reason why she ripped us off..


I wanted to gouge my eyes out when I saw pictures of that hack playing a guitar, it should be a crime for Madonna or any two bit pop singer to touch a guitar.

And don't get me started on her put on British accent, thats a complete joke and I find it insulting since I have English heritage. Don't try to speak like a Brit if you aren't one.
 sharon_isfine4now
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 69
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Posted: 11/12/2008 7:55:41 PM
I think someone mentioned she did play the guitar on a few songs....and as far as her accent, depends on how long she has lived there.....

I think she has been married to Guy Ritchie for 10 years, and if she lived there at least that amount of time or longer, she could have a bit of an accent...who knows.....

I did hear her in a interview with Michael Moore though, the accent did not come out then.... HA.....
 toowild4u
Joined: 7/6/2007
Msg: 70
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Posted: 11/14/2008 2:58:25 PM
I mentioned earlier that Madonna is very well-skilled in acoustic and electric guitar. I am quite suprised that she didn't really start using one live until 2001/2002. She CAN actually play. I don't know why she hasn't considered using a guitar all these years up until recent. I have not been able to confirm it, but I was told awhile back there is some bootleg video out there of Madonna jamming with some of the people in her band around the studio one day and she wailed ass! I'd love to see that. There are some videos of her playing that Gibson Les Paul on You Tube.
 sharon_isfine4now
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 71
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Posted: 11/14/2008 5:51:39 PM
...check out "Telegraph.co. Uk...."Was Madonna Live Earth Concert solo real ???"...
she does play on a couple of Tours, but she never claimed to be Eric Clapton or Keith Richards...
.She makes up for her talent with the dancing, singing and performing..
 hard starboard
Joined: 6/21/2008
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Posted: 11/15/2008 3:01:28 PM
Madonna on David Letterman, November 3, 2000…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl2mDSPlA-c

More recently in Las Vegas, November 9, 2008…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO91v1npspU
If she’s playing something in the Las Vegas video, I can’t tell what it is. I guess I hear some kind of noise. And what the h3ll is she doing to that amplifier?!
 Thatguy67
Joined: 9/20/2006
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Posted: 12/15/2008 6:50:41 PM
Apparently, Guy Ritchie is getting $80 million US from Madonna as part of their divorce settlement.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008/12/guy-ritchie-got.html

 sharon_isfine4now
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 74
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Posted: 12/15/2008 7:53:54 PM
I am sure he is just glad to be out of that... 80?... after 10 years, sounds good........I have talked so much about her and still listen to her music NOW.....I will be anxious to see if she gets a Grammy....Discussing the topic on here was more fun than the concert itself......
 Echoes Answer
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 75
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Posted: 12/17/2008 7:50:15 AM
I agree that Prince is a musical genius, but as for Madonna...funk no! Just as with her style, all the media shows all kiss her ass when all she does is take whatever is hot in the indie scene, and steals it for herself. I remember seeing her on one of the music awards in late '98, and I thought I was seeing Massive Attack, and it turned out it was that hack doing one of her songs from Ray of Light.

Oh, and she needs to stop doing this rap shit too! It's even worse than Pet Shop Boys rapping (and this is coming from a huge Shoppies fan).
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