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 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 51
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The trouble with threads like this; is that they're just not representative of the real world. Out their in the real world, just the merest suggestion of things like swallowing and anal sex would be enough to instantly end a relationship for ever.


Wrong. Approximately 1/2 of the women I've dated had no issues with swallowing. I don't care either way about anal, so I wouldn't even ask, but several of the women I've dated have asked for it. I think you must be living in a convent.
 Willsniffurundies
Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 10/21/2008 5:56:13 PM
I thought this was dealt with in a previous forum?
Ladies who comment negativelyon the taste of cum should remember everyone has a different taste.
Mind you, ladies, you cannot win this one.
I f we accept your negative comment as an expert opinion than you are not much more than a little c0ck$ucker.
If you are NOT an expert than you truly should not even bother mentioning how you think it tastes.
I don't have trouble in this area as only ONCE has a woman ever made me cum with her mouth. . .and that was the first time and with a professional-lol!
I have dated women who have asked me to START for them and they have intentionally $ucked me to a finish just so that they COULD taste my cum.
I don't see it as a dealbreaker personally. . .HOWever, I am not interested in the opinion of a woman who has only swallowed once or twice. . .please! What do you truly know about this!?
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 53
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/21/2008 6:13:21 PM

Don't get me wrong, I love giving and receiving oral, I just don't like a mans cum in my mouth.

Then stick to datig guys who don't mind giving without receiving. I've been around the block enough to know I don't have to settle for a woman who thinks she's doing me a favor by having sex with me or that I should be grateful for whatever I get.

I'll take the precum just not cum. I say a man that just has to have a woman that swallows isn't in the relationship for love. He's only there for the sex.

I say that a woman who doesn't want to reciprocate is selfish.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 54
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/21/2008 8:29:07 PM

Just because you don't do oral until a man cums in your mouth doesn't mean that you didn't give. I've had oral done on me without taking me to orgasm and still enjoyed it very much.


What's your point? I've had lots of blowjobs that didn't result in swallowing, but I still want to have the option so that she will do it occasionally. What if you were told you could never have anve an orgasm from oral sex and told not to get wet because a guy didn't like the the taste? Sorry, but I prefer women who actually get wapped up in sex and who are very sensual (taste is one of those senses in sensual), so I'm not going to get into a relationship with someone who isn't compatible.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 55
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/21/2008 10:27:23 PM

What is this reciprocity BS? It implies equality, and unless a woman is a "squirter," there's nothing equal about a load of cum and the fluids excreted when a woman orgasms.



If you can get guys to buy into that, go for it. Personally, I think it's rather egotistical to suggest that somehow guys produce fluids that are naturally repulsive while you can't imagine that being the case for a woman. Get over it.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 56
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/21/2008 10:44:21 PM

How bout you let your significant other snowball you and you will have your answer!


I eat ****, I don't do blowjobs, so I don't see the point. But, how bout everyone wear hazmat suits so no one gets cooties from actually having sex?
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 57
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/21/2008 11:39:50 PM
Wrong? Not saying the original statement is right 'cause there's no real way to prove that. But what makes the women you've dated representative of the rest of the world? 'Cause I highly doubt that you date in a truly random fashion.


I've been dating for 25+ years. It's true it's not a random sample. I only date women to whom I'm attracted and in general have at least an undergraduate degree, although the latter is due more to circumstance. However, I don't ever ask them about what they will do, so there is nothing that makes them predisposed to thinking about sex any differently than other women. If you would like to claim that attractive women with a lot of education are more likely to swallow, be my guest.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 58
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/21/2008 11:42:21 PM

'm not talking about taste. I'm talking about AMOUNT. Squirters aside, there is nothing equal about the amount of a load of cum and the fluids of a woman's orgasm. It's a fact that you can't argue with (unless you're stupid) and therefore there's nothing to buy into. The reciprocity argument doesn't work because we're talking SIGNIFICANTLY different amounts of bodily fluids.


Then maybe you should eat pvssy instead of giving blowjobs.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 59
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/21/2008 11:48:39 PM

If you can't stand the fact that she won't swallow - you find someone who does.


That was my point many pages ago. However, a lot of women seem to be pissed of that a guy would be so uppity as to suggest that men should be anything less than grateful for whatever women bless them with.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 60
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/22/2008 5:00:40 AM
Please, there are way too many variables beyond education and looks that come into play with the relatively small sample of women you've dated to even try and extrapolate your 50% statistic to the rest of females.

You also fail to recognize sarcasm when you see it. However, I'm willing to stand by the 50% number and quote a margin of error of about 13%. I'll let you figure out the sample size that corresponds to that margin of error. (I'm excluding women who have only told me they do or don't from this. They could be lying to get me in bed. Otherwise, the margin of error would be smaller.)

Geographical location, race/ethnicity, cultural upbringing, religious beliefs, political beliefs, dating history and experience, sexual history and experience, age and a whole list of other things.


Let's see, sexual history: 2 virgins: yes. a couple of women with >100 partners yes and no, lots in between. Age: all under 30. Religion: Athiest to jewish to catholic to methodist to who knows. Political beliefs: all over the map. Race: caucaisan. Cultural upbringing: Is U.S. generic a culture? Geographic location: Texas, the conservative hell hole. However, you could throw in what color car they drove. Before you start tossing in variables, you should have some idea of why you think it matters. Maybe I got the only women in the U.S. that swallow. You left out the most important factor: I'm such a stud that no one but me experiences that large a percentage.

That you would even think that the women you've dated somehow accurately represent all females is pretty laughable though.


I agree. I was being generous since I'm fairly picky. Ladies don't spit.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 61
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/22/2008 6:40:12 AM

Oh, get over yourself!


I'm almost crushed. You simply don't appreciate the fact that if it weren't for those of willing to go out on a limb and be a$$holes, you would not recognize a nice guy to latch onto when you want to stop having sex.
 JustMary65
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 62
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/22/2008 7:09:17 AM
OP-

A lot of women won't even consider giving a man a blow job, much less swallow his semen. Honestly, it's not one of my favorite things to do during sex, but if I'm with a person I care for deeply that is a different story. It's kind of like men who say they LOVE oral, but will only lick a woman's clitoris. Same principle really---if they won't slide their tongue down below and taste her, why in the hell would she want to taste him?

The other thing I laugh about is that some men won't even consider kissing a woman whose mouth has been on or near his penis, but that same man will hold her head down on his c*ck until he erupts in her mouth. What is up with that?? I mean if it's YOUR fluids and your penis---why would it matter if you kiss her after? I'm not one to beat a topic to death, because it serves no real purpose. Ideally, I'd hope that a woman and man discuss the things they like or dislike prior to becoming intimate so there are no surprises or disappointments on either side of the fence.

Do I swallow everytime--um that would be a NO, but the times I did it was, in my opinion, a special gift I chose to give HIM alone and no one else. Swallowing maybe routine for some women, but for many other's it is not. I would rather savor the intimacy shared than worry about every little aspect of it. BTW, I have no real desire to have a man perform oral on me, but I have no objection doing that for him--but that is just me.

It shouldn't be an expectation--but a pleasurable gift a woman ( or man) chooses to give to their lover.

EDIT: Not all men have foul tasting semen, but for those that do, it can certainly make a woman rethink the whole swallowing thing---blah.
 Willsniffurundies
Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 10/22/2008 11:06:52 AM
Okay.
I stick by my original post.
I gnerally don't have a lot of time for all of this writing and prefer being paid when I write.
However, since one comment was directed to me I guess I am obliged to respond.
Joline: You don't HAVE to do anything even ONCE to state an opinion. I was simply speaking to the expertise and experience BEHIND the opinion.
However, you have confused me. You do not like the actual act of swallowing or you do not like the taste?
As for swallowing. . .anyone is capable of the act if they WANT to swallow. perhaps the question is WHY do you and other women not want to swallow?
According to research taste varies.
Regarding your peas comparison: I never used to like olives when I was a child but now I do.
Perhaps swallowing could be compared to an acquired taste?
Finally, invu, I would be interested in the research you have read regarding the quantity of male and female cum.
Perhaps if you would not refer to others as "stupid" so often people would not bother you.
That's my 2 cents.
I don't have time to "spend" more!
 thebigslim
Joined: 9/27/2005
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Posted: 10/22/2008 11:13:02 AM
Personally I dont think it should matter if they swallowed or not, some like it and some dont. Just be thankful that you even get oral!!!
 arkboy51
Joined: 8/8/2008
Msg: 65
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/22/2008 11:25:29 AM
the women in my life love to swallow. they take all i can give them & want more. then i take all they can me in return. fairs-fair
 MsMicki
Joined: 10/2/2006
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:51:18 PM

NinkiNo need to justify. But...It just does not belong in the mouth in the first place! No matter what the porn industry tells you. It only belongs in the vagina.


what about those of us that were swallowing long before we ever watched porn?
maybe......we just like it!

There is absolutely no need to justify whether u do or don't.....or put down others to make yourself feel better about "not doing it". Just because I do....doesn't mean you have to.....OR.....that I'm wrong for doing it.
 sluttyblkgrl
Joined: 8/22/2008
Msg: 67
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Posted: 10/23/2008 11:26:40 AM
just because my username incorporate the word slutty dont get it twisted with my everday lifestyle. I am very sweet next girl type who simply act like one in the bedroom.
 DooLee
Joined: 5/12/2007
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Posted: 10/23/2008 12:00:34 PM
I can positively say that if I was a woman, I would not swallow every man's cum simply on the basis that I was 'working towards something' .

Some men seem to think like primates, in that their penis is wet and warm and life is good, all is good, just can't wait, say a few bits here and there, explode, wow, awesome, want a drink? How about some gum?

It's a two way thing.
If a woman isn't going to swallow your cum, chances are, you're not making her cum. It's got to be a two way experience. Sure there are****cravers, penis worshipers, women who live for it. These women are typically employed, and paid well (with makeup and fluffing available). Meaning you won't typically encounter them.

Most women like knowing they're providing more than... a service.
I mean to say it should mean something, it's something special, or amazing, or etc. Think about when you give head. If you answered 'I don't give head' then buddy... you're asking too much by this authors opinion, and I can already address why most (if not all) are not providing the complete fellatio package with consumption services.

You want porn star service, you've got to be a porn star yourself.
A physical experience can never be a half way deal. Guys don't like ragdoll women, and women don't like doing it in ONE position ALL the time.

On a side note: If every night, a woman sat you down for a shotglass full of warm syrup laden with lemon, or at worst, baking soda, I think you may have something to say about 'the end goal'.
Sometimes the ends don't justify the means, and sometimes the means justify the ends.

Holy crap, long post... okay,
Summarization(){
If male want female to drink cum abridged:
Play with Female's titties, speak soft kind words (or raving loud words), and caress other parts of body as accessible (including throat and face). Looking into eyes is optional. Don't stare.

Golden Rule. Never, under any circumstances, whether it's her birthday or yours, surprise them. This is viewed as bad practice.
}
 ThirdChakra
Joined: 2/29/2008
Msg: 69
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/23/2008 12:04:04 PM
Could be any number of reasons. She might have had a bad experience before. She could have been forced to do that, when it wasn't in her best interest.

It's also possible that you might not taste good to her because your reproductive system is out of balance (happens with female yeast infections) because you're diet is missing those essential vitamins & minerals:)

There's the possibility also that you're not satisfying her to a point where she wants to feel like she's yours. Ask yourself if you're turning her on as much as you could beforehand.

Releasing your energy in that way, I think, is a gift. That's your 'chi', dude. Your male energy that you are sharing with her. Does she deserve it?

Grant
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 70
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/23/2008 2:17:33 PM
Common sensically, women would not be able to "fake" orgasms if there was a significant amount of fluid expelled upon orgasm. For the most part, a man cannot fake an orgasm.


Considering the amount of fluid that accompanies peforming oral sex on a woman whether she has an orgasm or not, what's the difference? I'm sure I swallow a lot more than the amount of ejaculate from a male. The amount of ejaculate produced by a male is typically between 1.5 ml and 5 ml. The very high end, 5 ml is equal to 0.17 Oz or approximately 1 teaspoon. In addition, a woman can always take the fluid in the back of her throat and never have to taste it.


There's also the fact that HIV is more readily transmitted in heterosexual cases from male-to-female rather than female-to-male. This is has to do with amount of bodily fluids exchanged. More semen is produced than vaginal fluids (again, squirters set aside).


As noted above, the amount of fluids produced by a male is very small. I seriously doubt it's less than a woman produced while she is receiving oral sex, at least not if my personal experience indicates anything.

That argument regarding HIV is a non-starter for oral sex. A study done by the USCF Center for AIDS Prevention Studies places the risk of contracting HIV from an infected male partner, for the recipient of oral sex at approximately zero.

http://pub.ucsf.edu/newsservices/releases/2003123065/
 Willsniffurundies
Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:14:53 PM
Invu,
See abelian and his latest post.
No need for both of us to say the same things.
A lot of people think that if you call the way they think or an idea they have "stupid" that you are calling THEM stupid. That's all.
perhaps I should not have said people were "bothering" you. Perhaps i should have said you would not have to waste so much time defending yourself. . .or at least LESS if you would not use the word "stupid".
That's all. I just think this topic has pretty much gotten old and it is time to just close the thread.
One last comment regarding quantity: from my own personal experience. . .when i pleasure women with my mouth I tend to end up getting my face soaked to the point where I can taste it.
Mind you, when I make love the woman I am with has multiple orgasms and I only have one.
Perhaps the whole idea of MULTIPLE orgasms is a factor that needs to be considered as well before settling on an opinion.
Anyway, gotta go, I am going to go give some of those multiple orgasms I mentioner earlier RIGHT NOW!
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 72
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:42:29 PM
Unless you can distinguish how much of that fluid is your own saliva and how much is vaginal fluid, I really don't think you have much of an argument.


Considering that women produce enough fluid to get their panties wet (not to mention the sheets or that it's visibly evident that it's flowing), I'm willing to go out on a limb and say I do have argument.

Even if you are swallowing more, you aren't swallowing it all at one time, now are you?


Why is that better? Basically, you are expecting people to beieve that it's worse simply because you don't want to do it and you don't want to say you just dislike it without injecting some unarguable objective reason for it. You don't have such a reason. Would you be willing to swallow it a little at time by licking it up? I doubt it and _even_ I wouldn't expect a woman to do that.

The argument had nothing to do with oral sex itself so I really don't know what the point of your link was. It was a point simply made that shows that the amount of bodily fluids produced my men is more than that produced by women. If they were the same, HIV transmission between the two wouldn't be so disparate.

Since you wrote:

There's also the fact that HIV is more readily transmitted in heterosexual cases from male-to-female rather than female-to-male. This is has to do with amount of bodily fluids exchanged. More semen is produced than vaginal fluids (again, squirters set aside)
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Exactly what was your point then? This thread is about oral sex. Second, the difference in infection rate between men and women does not neccessarily have anything to do with the volume of the fluids. HIV infection occurs if the virus can reach the blood stream. If fluid volume was the overriding factor, the chances of being infected by a needle puncture would be small, since the volume of fluid exchanged is very tiny compared with the fluids with which one is in contact during sex. Volume is only one factor. Furthermore, givin the data from the link I posted, your comments regarding HIV are irrelevant to this topic.

Stop trying to rationalize your dislike for swallowing with pseudo scientific arguments. The fact is you dislike it and for some reason, you are bothered by those who do like it or those who might expect reciprocity. If you don't like it, fine. Don't do it. Just stop trying to convince others that you have some moral high ground with respect to guys who want their partners to swallow and who do not want to date women who do not. You have no more justification for not wanting to swallow than I have for not wanting to date women who don't swallow. I quit buying into the idea that guys ought to be grateful for what women decide to throw at them a long time ago. I don't have to settle for less than I expect, so I'm not going to settle for less.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 73
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/23/2008 7:50:31 PM

Not saying it's better, just tired of seeing the two compared when they're vastly different in my opinion. I find the whole "well we swallow when we go down on women so they should swallow too" argument completely weak.

Then stop using the reverse argument. I would never have mentioned it had you and the other no swallowing zealots not made it THE issue. If you're going to make an issue of it, I'm happy to run with it, so thanks for discrediting the argument. I do expect women to reciprocate and if they choose to not do so, they can find guys who are content with a one-sided relationship. I'm not. If your judgment regarding my estimate that about 1/2 of the women do this is as high as you seem to think, I'm not sure why you aren't gloating privately that I'm going to severely restrict myself instead of being such a zealot for the anti-swallowing sisterhood. Personally, I'd rather not date women who are repulsed by that sort of thing. It's a real buzz-kill to limit the options.

Someone specifically asked about differences in quantity about male and female cum. That was my reply that the quantities are different and that males produce more.

And, as I pointed out, men produce about a teaspoon, max, which casts your assertion very much in doubt.

The chance of getting HIV from a simple needle puncture IS small. There were less than 60 documented cases of this happening over a 20 year period. If you're talking IV drug users... well, you said it yourself, the virus has to reach the bloodstream. IV drug users using contaminated needles are injecting the virus DIRECTLY into their bloodstream, so what do you think is gonna happen?

If that means you aren't going to try and bring up the HIV red herring again, fine. I wasn't the one who brought it up. Thank you again for emphasizing the fact that the path to the bloodsteam is an important factor. That was exactly my point.

Lol, I don't have to rationalize anything and there's nowhere on this thread where I have done such a thing.

All you've done is try to rationalize it and you've spent most of your reply continuing to do so rather than just say you don't like it and let that stand on its own. I don't care if you (or anyone else) doesn't like it. That's your (and their) prerogative. Trying to justify it with all sorts of lame reasoning that is intended to make your personal preferences appear to be an objective basis for your preferences is not your prerogative.
 MsMicki
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Posted: 10/23/2008 8:07:56 PM
Hell yeah Snazzy!

if I didn't want u to cum.....I wouldn't have let u
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 75
oral sex and swallowing cum and why they wont do it
Posted: 10/23/2008 10:47:21 PM

I try not to worry about if they swallow or not. Just be glad your getting a BJ.

Right on, brother!!!!


It's one thing to not care if a woman swallows, but if you think you should be grateful for sex, regardless of whether that's oral sex or whatever, you have a bad case of PW. I put a lot of effort into trying to satisfy my partners and I'm entitled to seek out partners who don't act like they are doing me a favor by giving me a blowjob or anything else and then expect me to grateful for it. If a woman doesn't like doing those things, she should find someone with whom she's more compatible instead of trying to convince others to just deal with it. Believe it or not, there are women who like sex.
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