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 aremeself
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how long has there been life on earth in comparison to the age of the universe?

very short, I believe, so, what are the chances of there being life on another planet at the same very short time?

read that somewhere.

personally? havent thought about it long enough.

 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 2/10/2009 11:12:47 PM
>>>they are just looking for a place to "throw it out there".

And they can just as well put their thoughts on a piece of paper, then throw that paper into a fire if thats all they are looking for- they are presenting their thoughts in a place where they know it will be examined and judged by their peers- the word "forum" implies this.

>>>....when that happens..no one wins.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to allow people to propetuate what I view as ignorance because they have a low self esteem. Its unfortuant that people feel this way, but seriously- what solution is there? Their demons are their own, and me abstaining from expressing myself as they express themselves will not help neither them nor the debate.

>>>....now lets get back to the post and find out where the ET are hiding...

I vote Utah. It would explain SO MUCH about that state....

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>>>how long has there been life on earth in comparison to the age of the universe?

The universe is currently believed to be approx 14 billion years old- the Earth is believed to be approx 5 billion years old- life itself is believed to be approx 4 billion years old, and human life is suspected to be 200,000 years old(well, Homo Sapiens at least)
 aremeself
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Posted: 2/11/2009 1:37:28 AM
200,ooo into 14 billion is a very short time. so the evolving process would have to have had the exact same timing in order for them to be around the same time.

or they would have to have evolved faster in order to have invented some time warping space travel, if they have been around here.

there are lots of variables, but 200,000 years is a very short time in the scheme of things.

so maybe they have come and gone already.

or they are just starting.

or they havent evolved yet.

and what do they look like, cant look anything like us.

or what if god did this on more earth type places.

I am going to bed.
 aremeself
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Posted: 2/11/2009 1:38:19 AM
200,ooo into 14 billion is a very short time. so the evolving process would have to have had the exact same timing in order for them to be around the same time.

or they would have to have evolved faster in order to have invented some time warping space travel, if they have been around here.

there are lots of variables, but 200,000 years is a very short time in the scheme of things.

so maybe they have come and gone already.

or they are just starting.

or they havent evolved yet.

and what do they look like, cant look anything like us.

or what if god did this on more earth type places.

I am going to bed.
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 2/11/2009 5:41:15 AM
>>>there are lots of variables, but 200,000 years is a very short time in the scheme of things.

Don't be confused- it didn't take 200,000 years for man to evolve- we simply evolved into man 200,000 years ago, from other Homo's- meaning it didn't take us 200,000 years to get here- it took 3 billion, 999million, 800 thousand years to get here.

And one thing proponants of aliens often fail to understand is, evolution doesn't exist to create intelligent life- it most certainly is not the apex of evolution- evolution creates ADAPTIVE life. The fact that intelligent life has only appeared of the last 4 billion years only in the last million is a testiment to how rare intelligent life really is- like I said before, if we were to look at life as a 24 hour clock, mankind would have appeared only in the last few seconds before midnight. The conditions in which intelligent life is created is not entirely understood, but to simply conclude that if life were to appear on another planet that intelligent life would appear at the same pace really doesn't take the randomness of evolution into effect, nor does it take the purpose of evolution into effect.
 aremeself
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Posted: 2/15/2009 11:53:23 PM
the universe is so big that there must be other life out there.

the universe is so big that there must be a god out there.


sorry couldnt stop myself.
 Hibernian1960
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Posted: 6/17/2011 8:11:05 PM
"Gives me hope there might be abundant life on Venus after all :)"-James

Indeed, there might very well be sulfuric-acid metabolizing bacteria on Venus in the atmosphere. Our experience of life on Earth indicates that it is present nearly everywhere we look.
 Page 2u
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Posted: 6/18/2011 12:56:25 PM
IMO—I would say we will find life, under every nick and cranny of the universe.
Every particle has the potential to from an aggregate – the more complex the aggregate --the closer it comes to what we call life.
 shakeitupbaby2012
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Posted: 6/18/2011 2:07:47 PM
Sulfur compounds serve as both fuels and respiratory (oxygen-replacing) materials for simple organisms.
It's an interesting find. In order to exist on other planets those elemental and environmental conditions would need to exist.
It does lend to other forms of life being in existence.
 Page 2u
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Posted: 6/18/2011 7:48:27 PM
I think its not so much a chemical mixture—ie. Sulfur compounds--(oxygen-replacing)
Its more of a degree of complexity. –no matter what the aggregate is composed of
it can reach a state of complexity that, we would identify as--- life.

therefore---imo-- its very likely that, life will be everywhere.
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Posted: 6/18/2011 9:09:54 PM
There are two issues being conflated here. The first is "where can life arise?" The second is "where can life survive or thrive?" From what we observe here on Earth, life can persist in amazingly difficult environments. However, the majority of life appears to not only exist within a relatively narrow range of conditions, but have internal chemical processes related strongly to those conditions. That is, life may be constrained in its origins to environments with moderate conditions, certain chemical and energy resources, and liquid water. Those conditions do not seem to be ubiquitous in the known universe, so I doubt that life is all that widespread. Mars may have harbored suitable conditions long enough for life to arise, and the current conditions may not be harsh enough to have wiped it out. Venus, however, may never have given life a chance to arise, much less adapt to the conditions which are now beyond extreme everywhere on the planet. At least on Earth and Mars, there are gradients of conditions which give life refuge or opportunity at the edge of tolerance before pioneering the truly extreme conditions.
 aremeself
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Posted: 7/2/2011 10:14:35 PM
before we get all gijitty about life on other planets, we should maybe have a clue on how life starts, beyond our fantasies, that is.
 jessehoo
Joined: 12/21/2009
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Posted: 7/8/2011 5:44:10 PM
That there be life on another planet is not really profound.

Is life limited to cells or cell liek structures? does anyone know? When did the cell become alive? Is it only alive if it replicates? Whaat? Are pre-replication molecules not alive?
 Jiperly
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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:23:38 PM
No, but non-replicating molecules will disappear within a "generation"
 abelian
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Posted: 7/12/2011 2:26:36 AM
Its more of a degree of complexity. –no matter what the aggregate is composed of
it can reach a state of complexity that, we would identify as--- life.

That isn't true. Carbon is unique. You can make more organic compounds (those containing carbon) than you can compounds from all other elements put together without carbon. (at least a factor of 10, perhaps a factor of 100). If you restrict the definition of organic to those containing hydrogen, there are still a factor of 10 or 100 more organic compounds than inorganic compounds. Carbon's outer electron structure allows carbon to form long chains and rings in complex geometries that no other element can, so life is carbon based. The element Si (and other group 14 elements) has an outer electron structure that most closely resembles carbon. However, the resemblence is not close enough, in that even Si, which is most like C, does not form long chain molecules. Basically, life is constrained by the conditions under which carbon compounds can exist as sufficiently complex and stable molecules.

Other constraints involve the necessity of a liquid to that would serve the same purpose water serves on earth - the transport of organic compound inside a living organism and in which living organisms can form. There aren't many to choose from. Water has the property that it's denser as a liquid than as a solid. i.e., ice floats. If that weren't the case, the oceans would be frozen from the bottom up. Ice that formed on the surface would sink as it freezes on the surface in winter, but the heat from the sun wouldn't thaw much of the surface, just like it doesn't at the poles.

For me, we are the proof that the universe supports life and it is way to big of jump to say that there is no way it exists anywhere else.

I don't think anyone (apart from some religious fundamentalists) believes that earth holds the only life in the universe. On the other hand, there are probably many fewer planets capable of supporting life than planets that can't support life. There are trillions of galaxies out there. It's unlikely that earth is the only place life exists.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 7/12/2011 5:17:39 PM
Intelligent life is another matter. We obviously failed to attain that state here where we used up all the resources, went broke, barely made it to our moon and back, are wiping out 25% of land based lifeforms/biodiversity in a short spurt of arrogance, and cannot even govern ourselves on this blue ball without the threat of wars and technology that can sterilize this planet. There is so much space junk now in orbit that it serves as a Bozone Layer, protecting the universe from the known harmful effects of humans.

Beam us up Scotty...no signs of intelligence here!
 jessehoo
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Posted: 7/12/2011 7:37:08 PM

No, but non-replicating molecules will disappear within a "generation"


Yes, obviously, but the distinguishment between animate and inanimate things is largely a matter of perspective. It sort of starts to disapear the smaller and smaller, you go until you reach mere atoms. Not trying to be reductionistic, just saying BASICIALLY......the entire universe is alive.!!. !. 11.1!!!>!>1!.1!1.1.1!>!!!!!
 stargazer1000
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Posted: 7/22/2011 7:05:08 AM

Yes, obviously, but the distinguishment between animate and inanimate things is largely a matter of perspective.


No, it's a matter of definition. Animate is anything that's alive. Inanimate is anything that is not alive. Pretty simple, really.


It sort of starts to disapear the smaller and smaller, you go until you reach mere atoms.


Then electron/neutrons/protons then quarks...

Everything on the macro scale (including life) is made of these particles but that doesn't mean these particles are alive, no more than, because houses are made of bricks, every brick is a house.


Not trying to be reductionistic, just saying BASICIALLY......the entire universe is alive.


Not trying to be reductionist, just trying to shoe horn a "new agey" explanation that is not justified.
 stargazer1000
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Posted: 7/22/2011 6:54:43 PM

Is a virus alive? A prion?


Well, I'm not a biologist so I only have an enthusiastic amateur's level of learning to go with.

Prions, I don't have nearly enough information to offer a remotely informed opinion, so I won't address it.

Viruses, however, are interesting. They are made of RNA. They are mobile. They reproduce, albeit by taking over the normal functioning of a cell. They consume resources. They are subject to natural selection. Sounds "alive" to me.
 stargazer1000
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Posted: 7/22/2011 8:48:00 PM

Viruses don’t have enough genes that can do anything beyond make new viruses, so they're generally not considered to be alive.


Does "biological" work as a definition, versus "non-biological?"
 Hibernian1960
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Posted: 7/25/2011 3:55:03 AM
Life as we know it.

Prokaryotic, eukaryotic, exhibiting bilateral symmetry or radial symmetry, reproducing sexually and/or asexually...Covers a lot, doesn't it?
 DevinRD
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Posted: 8/2/2011 2:46:21 AM
Isn't it a mathematical certainty that life exists on other planets?

I think the only feasible defense for a theory that life exists on Earth alone and no where else in the UNIVERSE would HAVE to be based on religion particularly creationism.

"God made us on Earth and didn't make anyone else on any other planet."

For anyone and everyone, religious or not who believes that life evolved naturally rather than being placed here literally by the hand of God, I think it goes without saying that its impossible for there NOT to be life that evolved naturally on many other planets throuought the universe.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 8/2/2011 4:26:46 AM
Even the gods have their home planets. This was probably a vacation planet for them, us being the ants they could screw with during a picnic.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 8/4/2011 6:13:05 PM
One need only look at how humans treat their own planetmates to extrapolate how other species would view us in context. The slaughter of dolphins, whales, elephants, other bipeds,fellow mammels, amphibians, pollinators, and all sorts of interdependent species, shows that we are not truly from this place that give us life, allows us to continue to thrive and survive, and the failure to link that we are inter-dependent on thousands to millions of of other earthlings to be allowed to live on this rare blue ball of life in a big and expanding universe. We ignore the canaries in the coal mine of our brief existence at our own peril.
 R_O_U_S
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Posted: 8/10/2011 7:26:48 PM
as life developed from blue green algea X _Y_Y its been published as more of the question as to where did it come from... if the nitrogen froze from planet x and a rock having grater mass took years to hit from planet x causing the divergency between X_Y in mitochodric similaities in what alien system was this first established and what chatasrophe brought galaxy x to an end. Probably a collapse of a sun or supernovae nearby in the milkyway.. its prbably happening relitivity (X) quantumly hidden in a wide scale in dark matter. i opine lol.
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