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 looking4her2335
Joined: 1/23/2013
Msg: 276
Why should I believe in aliens?Page 12 of 14    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14)

That's "were" rather than "we're", "possession" rather than "posession" and you've got a healthy amount of commas in that sentence by anyone's measure. If you're trying to make a point regarding the topic of education I'd suggest re-reading what you've just written before hitting that Post button

Ah, ad hominem. Nicely done sir. Touché.


These are things that eight-grade students should know from high school. I know that you'll now come back with some angry comment about me being a "grammar Nazi" but my point is that you can claim no scientific or educational high ground if you're so under-educated yourself.


Oh I'm educated enough. The fact that I slipped up and forgot to spell check is not indicitive of my level of education. It's indicitive of my, at times, crappy typing skills. I'm not upset though, I figured it was just a reaction to the fact that you posted links to lotus flowers on egyptian walls, and claimed that they were representations of grey aliens. Or, or the one where you shared a link to a cartouche that supposedly had a helicopter in it. It speaks volumes of how credulous you are however. Might want to go back to watching "Ancient Aliens" on the history channel guy.

It is funny how under your skin I've gotten though.
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 277
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 3:17:08 PM
Gah, I hate the Fermi Paradox, because it makes so much sense.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 278
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 3:26:03 PM

Might want to go back to watching "Ancient Aliens" on the history channel guy.

I don't subscribe to cable nor do I own a television. I can't say that a television is the best means of doing research, would you?

I visit the library, I download books from it via the OverDrive app, I review articles from the newspapers in other countries. And yes, I read things on the Internet. But of course it will be that last sentence that just triggered your need to respond to my post. If Pavlov rang a bell his dog would salivate. And if anyone suggests that they read something from the web then you do the same, I'd bet. It's almost as if you've been programmed to behave this way. See? I just triggered another response from you. And you'll respond now in a way that's typical. Go on, then. (Make me proud.) This is the part where you 1) laugh that anyone would believe something they've read from the Internet and 2) laugh at anyone who's into conspiracy theories.
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 279
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 3:27:34 PM

I visit the library, I download books from it via the OverDrive app, I review articles from the newspapers in other countries. And yes, I read things on the Internet. But of course it will be that last sentence that just triggered your need to respond to my post. If Pavlov rang a bell his dog would salivate. And if anyone suggests that they read something from the web then you do the same, I'd bet. It's almost as if you've been programmed to behave this way. See? I just triggered another response from you. And you'll respond now in a way that's typical. Go on, then. (Make me proud.) This is the part where you 1) laugh that anyone would believe something they've read from the Internet and 2) laugh at anyone who's into conspiracy theories.


You still haven't responded to my post on the moon hoax thread, fyi.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 280
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 3:38:13 PM

According to this account, he then concluded that Earth should have been visited long ago and many times over.

Of course, aliens have been visiting our planet throughout its long history. Perhaps a better question to ponder would be why they've been more secretive over the last few hundred or so years? Why not just show up and announce their presence?

It sounds like some of the alien groups do from time to time. http://www.rael.org/videos http://www.thinkingallowed.com/2jvallee.html
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 281
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 3:40:05 PM
Hitchens' Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
 looking4her2335
Joined: 1/23/2013
Msg: 282
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 3:48:29 PM

I don't subscribe to cable nor do I own a television. I can't say that a television is the best means of doing research, would you?

You're the guy who thinks that attacking grammar is an appropriate response to a claim. But no, not in all cases it's not. I'm not going to say that television is a completely unreliable source of information.

I mean there are valid conspiracy theories out there. I don't laugh at them all. I laugh at alot though. I'll laugh at people who repost cropped pictures taken out of context as evidence for extraordinary claims.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 283
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 4:38:33 PM

You still haven't responded to my post on the moon hoax thread, fyi.

Just did.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 284
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 4:54:51 PM

you have no clue do you?

hint: he said that facetiously, look up the word

My vocabulary is bigger than yours. To that I'd add that I type using my shift key as well.

Fermi might have said it facetiously but he was also doing it in ignorantia. You're doing the same, btw.


unless you believe the government is controlling space-time as well?

Your mental leap from what I wrote to the topic of government-control of space-time leaves me pondering what you're probably smoking at the moment.


did you even read the article or are you just cherry picking

Yes, I did read it. I enjoy reading and do so often. The point I selected would often be called the topic sentence (if it were merely a paragraph in length) or the crux of the anecdote in this case. You could say that I distilled the essence of what Fermi wrote and used that as a springboard for what I wrote. Communicators are known to do such things.


we call that a troll

And you're what I'd call Someone-Who-Didn't-Read-The-Entire-Thread.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 285
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 4:59:08 PM

I'll laugh at people who repost cropped pictures taken out of context as evidence for extraordinary claims.

The main point here is that you come to the forum day after day for the purpose of laughing at others. It's what you do. It makes you feel smarter.

But that doesn't actually make you smarter. It only makes you feel like you're smarter.

Why do you feel the need to laugh at others in the first place? If you were happy you wouldn't need to.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 286
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/13/2013 5:08:11 PM

Hitchens' Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Krueger's Razor: What can be dreamed without reality can be dispatched without reality.
 looking4her2335
Joined: 1/23/2013
Msg: 287
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/14/2013 10:22:26 AM

The main point here is that you come to the forum day after day for the purpose of laughing at others. It's what you do. It makes you feel smarter.

You come to the forums, to critique grammar. Not just with me, I've seen you do it to others as well. But no, I don't come here to laugh at others, I don't come here to make myself feel smarter, I'm smart enough, learning new things every day. I'm just so confused as to why you've gone out of your way to not comment on the supposed alien hieroglypics you posted links to. I mean, I know why you don't comment on them, they are dishonest at best. Do I think that you deliberately posted dishonest photos, not really. You don't strike me as the type of person who would do such things. However, I've seen your posts throughout these forums and found you to be a pretty mild mannered individual, until you started nitpicking grammar which is silly, and the tradmark of a person who doesnt really have much to say.


Why do you feel the need to laugh at others in the first place?

Outrageous claims that are not backed by verifiable, demonstrable evidence deserve nothing but contempt, at the very least extreme skepticism. I don't always laugh though, just sometimes. I laugh at silly things, like this:
supposed ET in Egypt: http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/egypt_grey.jpg
Actual representation: http://www.catchpenny.org/images/alien1.gif
I actually looked at the article on beforeitsnews, and wow. Completely off base.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 288
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/14/2013 3:52:12 PM

You come to the forums, to critique grammar. Not just with me, I've seen you do it to others as well.

I only correct the grammar of people on here who question the intelligence of others while typing like someone who's under-educated. And I try to do it in a way that an English teacher would: state the corrections and hope that learning takes place. You yourself took my advice and have been re-reading your own text before submitting it and you're closer to making your points now as compared to earlier--you aren't suffering from the stigma of all those errors.

I choose not to comment on the hieroglyphics because I provide the information for others, not for you. You're not my audience and you're not POF. You feel the need to get in the way of discourse. I feel the need to share information. So if it feels like I ignore your requests sometimes then that would be an accurate assessment of what's going on.


Outrageous claims that are not backed by verifiable, demonstrable evidence deserve nothing but contempt

No, what they deserve is no response from you and no anger from you. Why do you attach emotion to the actions of others? If someone wants to flap their arms like a chicken and wear tin-foil hats then let them. Why waste an emotion like contempt? Why judge others for their opinions if they don't match with your own (or their beliefs)?

I don't engage emotions when I talk about such things. I try to practice the first three tenants of Buddhism as much as possible so that I don't walk away from here feeling angry. POF isn't worth any anger whatsoever.
 Soul Union
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 289
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/14/2013 4:28:01 PM
I only correct the grammar of people on here who question the intelligence of others while typing like someone who's under-educated. And I try to do it in a way that an English teacher would: state the corrections and hope that learning takes place. You yourself took my advice and have been re-reading your own text before submitting it and you're closer to making your points now as compared to earlier--you aren't suffering from the stigma of all those errors.

I choose not to comment on the hieroglyphics because I provide the information for others, not for you. You're not my audience and you're not POF. You feel the need to get in the way of discourse. I feel the need to share information. So if it feels like I ignore your requests sometimes then that would be an accurate assessment of what's going on.

No, what they deserve is no response from you and no anger from you. Why do you attach emotion to the actions of others? If someone wants to flap their arms like a chicken and wear tin-foil hats then let them. Why waste an emotion like contempt? Why judge others for their opinions if they don't match with your own (or their beliefs)?

I don't engage emotions when I talk about such things. I try to practice the first three tenants of Buddhism as much as possible so that I don't walk away from here feeling angry. POF isn't worth any anger whatsoever. --- Albvs


This is one very smart and enlightened individual, although I doubt if he will be affected one way or another by my observations. Even some of his seemingly inconsequential comments are well worth digesting.

We need more posters like this, rather than the abundance of defensive, destructive, cynical, claw-your-way-to-the-top, anything-to-stroke-my-ego outbursts designed to humiliate and ridicule other people.

More power to your pen, Albvs.

- Peter
 looking4her2335
Joined: 1/23/2013
Msg: 290
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/14/2013 4:52:12 PM

I only correct the grammar of people on here who question the intelligence of others while typing like someone who's under-educated. And I try to do it in a way that an English teacher would: state the corrections and hope that learning takes place. You yourself took my advice and have been re-reading your own text before submitting it and you're closer to making your points now as compared to earlier--you aren't suffering from the stigma of all those errors.

You take the tone not of an english teacher, but of someone who is totally condescending. It not about hurt feelings though, I'm pretty thick skinned. As I said before, its indicitive of my terrible typing skills, but that's neither here nor there. You go so far as to ask if I'm from the south? That's what an english teacher would do? That conducive for learning? Right, you're about as close to an english teacher as you'd be to the pope.


I choose not to comment on the hieroglyphics because I provide the information for others, not for you.

No, I think you choose not to comment because well, the stuff was shown to be nonsense. It's odd that someone who claims to be disseminating this info to move the discourse along couldnt take his own advice and do alittle research. There is this weird thing called "google"...your little egyptian grey lotus flowery thingy popped right up in the image section. C'mon guy, for someone so high and mighty about their theories, you'd think they'd figure that one out. But right, it's because you are taking the high road haha.


Why waste an emotion like contempt? Why judge others for their opinions if they don't match with your own (or their beliefs)?


The question is why not? When people are posting links to complete nonsense like Raël, why not call it out for the intellectual trash that it is? When people are dishonest, well then, why not?
 mark777771
Joined: 4/22/2012
Msg: 291
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History
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/14/2013 5:47:35 PM
Nothing wrong with calling people out on their thinking. However, I question whether people actually try to see the other person's point of view and give it any creedence at all. And as far as the grammar police go, well give me a ticket.
 jed456
Joined: 4/26/2005
Msg: 292
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History
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/15/2013 12:02:58 PM

We need more posters like this, rather than the abundance of defensive, destructive, cynical, claw-your-way-to-the-top, anything-to-stroke-my-ego outbursts designed to humiliate and ridicule other people.


Like calling people who don't accept your words as fact sheeple?I visited David Icke's site you provided. IMO anyone who takes him seriously has problems just my opinion.Do I believe intelligent life is somewhere in the Universe? I do.

Can all Unidentified Flying objects be explained away,No they can't be.Science is discovering new planet's all the time.
But when it comes to Alien shape shifter's I am going to refute it until you provide evidence.I can claim I saw Bigfoot but without providing any proof it is a claim nothing more.

And here is the 1978 sighting that was seen around the world are they alien spacecraft no idea but something very strange is going on here.

http://fliiby.com/file/134288/y6ontlt5c1.html
 Soul Union
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 293
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/15/2013 9:25:17 PM
Nothing wrong with calling people out on their thinking. However, I question whether people actually try to see the other person's point of view and give it any creedence at all. And as far as the grammar police go, well give me a ticket. --- mark77771


disclosure [noun] The act or process of revealing or uncovering; freeing from secrecy or ignorance.

"It's one of these currents of history that won't be denied. The truth is going to come out. And when it does it's going to be explosive." -- Richard Doland [Historian and author]

"So once we get that 'out,' we will go back and completely reassemble the 20th century, rewrite it in a way, and may have to even go back and rewrite a significant portion of the last 12,000 years." -- Steve Bassett [Political activist]

"This is the greatest story in human history. And the reason it is the greatest story in human history is because it is the greatest story of human history." [Retired US Army Command Sergeant-Major with Cosmic Top Secret clearance while in the Military; UFOlogist; professional UFO researcher; Lecturer and Speaker]

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do." -- Ben Rich [Former Director of the Lockheed Skunkworks (1975-1991) just prior to his death in 1995]

"At no time when the astronauts were in space were they alone. There was a constant surveillance of UFOs." -- Astronaut Scott Carpenter [Photographed a UFO while in orbit on May 24, 1962. NASA has still not released the photograph]

"I've been asked about UFOs, and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization." -- Commander Eugene Cernan [Commander of the Apollo 17 mission]

"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth." -- President Harry S Truman [1950]

On August 20, 1949, Dr Clyde W Tombaugh observed a UFO that appeared as a geometrically arranged group of six to eight rectangles of light, window-like in appearance and yellowish-green in colour, which moved from north-west to south-east over Las Cruces, New Mexico. Dr Clyde W Tombaugh [American astronomer who discovered the planet Pluto]


- Peter
 whippedboi
Joined: 3/12/2013
Msg: 294
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/16/2013 12:09:26 PM
^^

'appeal to authority figures' is hardly the highest form of debate. because a few politicians (among others) believe or say they believe, everyone else should?

recall, politicians lie for a living ,as part of their training , and as a way to advance in their careers.

A bit odd how many of the same people who believe in 'aliens', ghosts, 'spirits' etc. , without a shred of proof, also believe the NASA moon landings of 1969, with massive evidence produced, were 'faked' ?

One can believe what they want to it appears.

BTW I know there are millions of 'aliens', in the USA, primarily in southern states. many originally from Mexico.
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 295
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/16/2013 1:19:31 PM
^^

FYI, believing that life exists elsewhere in the universe outside of our "pale blue dot" (aliens) is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make. Believing these aliens have visited our "pale blue dot", infiltrated our governments, mutilated our cattle, abducted our citizens, played "boogeyman" to our pilots, is quite another thing entirely.
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 296
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/16/2013 4:52:56 PM

To repeat this process multiple times as advocated by Alvs would require lines of communication and supply chains on an interstellar level.

If we went back into time and spoke with a science professor from about 200 years ago we'd probably have a similar discussion. Mr. 1813 would argue just like you're doing. He would assume that to travel from Boston to San Francisco it would need to be using the same methods that he's familiar with. He'd be incapable of abandoning the concept of rail travel and would state adamantly that in the future it would be impossible to travel between those two cities within the span of one business day. No way.

To Mr. 1813 there are restrictions to the speed of travel. And you, sir, suffer the same way. You believe Albert Einstein.

Do you really REALLY think that an alien race a billion years more advanced than ourselves hasn't moved past the Einstein interpretation of travel? Do you REALLY think that Earth's circa-1900 science is the ultimate definition of what happens around us?

It's just arrogant to think that we understand the power required to zip around the universe based upon our infantile level of understanding. It's arrogant to think that Einstein got it right.


Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British writer Arthur C. Clarke. They are:
1) When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. (See Einstein's speed-of-light restriction on speed.)
2) The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. (See how flying saucers can make right-angle turns at Mach 12+.)
 Soul Union
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 297
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/16/2013 8:42:02 PM
If we went back into time and spoke with a science professor from about 200 years ago, we'd probably have a similar discussion. Mr 1813 would argue just like you're doing. -- Albvs


You're right on the money, Albvs. For instance:

"Radio has no future, heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible, and these X-rays will prove to be a hoax." -- William Thomson (Lord Kelvin) [British scientist, 1899]

"In my mind, there is no question that they are out there. My career is well established. My textbooks are required reading in all the major capitals. If you want to become a physicist to learn about the unified field theory, you read my books. Therefore, I'm in a position to say -- yes, most likely they're out there, perhaps even visited, perhaps on our moon." -- Professor Michio Kaku [Author of Theoretical Physics UNY]

"I've been convinced for a long time that flying saucers are real and interplanetary. In other words, we are being watched by beings from outer space." -- Albert M Chop [Deputy Public Relations Director, National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and former United States Air Force spokesman for Project Blue Book]

"When the long-awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap. We had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited." -- Dr J Allen Hynek [Director US Air Force's Project Blue Book as a scientific consultant, astronomer, investigator and analyst]

"Given the millions of billions of Earth-like planets, life elsewhere in the universe without a doubt does exist. In the vastness of the universe we are not alone." -- [The Bible According to Albert Einstein]

"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are spaceships from another solar system. There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system." -- Dr Hermann Oberth [The father of modern rocketry]

"I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis." -- Dr Walther Riedel [Once Chief Designer and Research Director at the German Rocket Centre in Peenemunde]

"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles." -- Dr Harold Puthoff [Director, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, Author of Fundamentals of Quantum Electronics]

“The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled. My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin." -- Dr Maurice Biot [Leading aerodynamicist and mathematical physicist]

"Extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. The Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its embassies in various countries, such as Mexico, Chile and Venezuela." -- Monsignor Corrado Balducci [(As stated five different times on Italian TV), Vatican theologian and insider close to the Pope, Monsignor Balducci said that he is on a Vatican commission looking into extraterrestrial encounters and how to cope with the emerging general realization of extraterrestrial contact.]

"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the LA case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination." -- J Edgar Hoover

"I am convinced that these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nations on Earth." -- Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding [Commander-in-Chief, Royal Air Force Fighter Command]

"The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious" -- General Nathan Twining [Chairman, Joint Chiefs-of-Staff, 1955-1958]

"With control of the universe at stake, a crash programme is imperative. We produced the A-bomb, under the huge Manhattan Project, in an amazingly short time. The urgency today is even greater. The Air Force should end UFO secrecy, give the facts to scientists, the public, to Congress. Once the people realize the truth, they will back, even demand, a crash programme. For this is one race we dare not lose." -- Major Donald E Keyhoe [USMC, Director NICAP 1953]

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control, It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high-ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs." -- Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter [Former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency]

"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles." Dr Harold Puthoff [Director, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, Author of Fundamentals of Quantum Electronics]

"I feel that the Air Force has not been giving out all the available information on the Unidentified Flying Objects. You cannot disregard so many unimpeachable sources." John W McCormack [Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States, January 1965]

"I certainly believe in aliens in space, and that they are indeed visiting our planet. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities." -- Senator Barry Goldwater [1965]

"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. I've seen one myself." -- President Jimmy Carter [1976]

"I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said: 'Have you ever seen anything like that?' He was shocked and said: 'Nope.' And I said to him: 'Let's follow it!' We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light.We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it." -- President Ronald Reagan [Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C Miller, then Washington Bureau Chief for the Wall Street Journal]

"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously." -- Mikhail Gorbachev

"I'm not at liberty to discuss the government's knowledge of extraterrestrial UFOs at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject." -- President Richard M Nixon

“I believe, and I scientifically am certain, that there are endless other living forms out there, including intelligent sentient beings. I do know that there are entire universes of living forms out there." Dr Story Musgrave [NASA scientist-astronaut]

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth." -- Colonel L Gordon Cooper [Mercury 9, Gemini-5 astronaut]

"Mission control, we have a UFO pacing our position, request instructions." -- Astronaut Cady Coleman [NASA transmission, shuttle mission STS-73]

"We have contact with alien cultures." -- Astronaut Dr Brian O'Leary

"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!" -- Charles J Camarda, PhD [NASA astronaut]

We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do they come from, and what do they want?" -- Captain Edgar Mitchell [Apollo 14 astronaut]

"All Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence." -- Maurice Chatelain [Former Chief of NASA Communications Systems]

On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record-breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washington, he stated: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." NASA Pilot Joseph A Walker

"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 ft on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high. As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45-degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared." Mercury Astronaut Captain Donald Slayton

"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fiber optic technologies, Particle beams, Electromagnetic propulsion systems, Depleted uranium projectiles, Stealth capabilities, and many others. How do I know? I was in charge. (A matter of public record.) I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it." -- Colonel Philip Corso [Army Intelligence Officer, former Head of the Foreign Technology at the US Army's Research and Development Department at the Pentagon, four years Director of Intelligence on President Eisenhower's White House National Security Staff]

- Peter
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 298
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/17/2013 4:13:53 PM

"I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said: 'Have you ever seen anything like that?' He was shocked and said: 'Nope.' And I said to him: 'Let's follow it!' We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light.We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it." -- President Ronald Reagan [Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C Miller, then Washington Bureau Chief for the Wall Street Journal]

Ohhhhh... well that explains a lot. They stopped briefing U.S. presidents about aliens at some point. I'd guess that it was after JFK.*

But then Reagan started referring to aliens in his speeches**, combined with his Star Wars Initiative***, I couldn't reconcile this if they'd stopped disclosing all this to presidents. At least it makes sense now, he saw a UFO himself.

* http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/jfk_speech_transcript.htm
** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA
*** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative
 Albvs
Joined: 2/14/2013
Msg: 299
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/17/2013 4:22:28 PM
Yeah, but Peter, you can't believe a bunch of Colonels, Captains, astronauts, former U.S. presidents, NASA pilots, employees of NASA, heads of state, etc, etc. We all know that they're just a bunch of tinfoil-hat wearing loonies. How could they possibly have information that we don't? I mean, if there were flying saucers and aliens then Fox News would tell us about it.

Nicely done, btw.
 Rheostatic
Joined: 5/27/2011
Msg: 300
Why should I believe in aliens?
Posted: 3/17/2013 5:09:40 PM
Yeah, but Peter, you can't believe a bunch of Colonels, Captains, astronauts, former U.S. presidents, NASA pilots, employees of NASA, heads of state, etc, etc. We all know that they're just a bunch of tinfoil-hat wearing loonies. How could they possibly have information that we don't? I mean, if there were flying saucers and aliens then Fox News would tell us about it.

Nicely done, btw.


You mean, the exact same people who are supposedly lying to us about landing on the moon?

It's almost as if I should only believe them when I have a pre-conceived belief about what they are supposedly telling the truth about?

Ugh, this is getting awfully confusing. How do you conspiracy theorists keep up with it all?
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