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 Aries_328
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so while it is possible to know the aliens are there, as of yet none of us have ever experienced one.


It is not. It is possible to think, believe, speculate, and want but it is not possible to know until there is some justifiable occurrence that demonstrates it. A square shape on mars, a communications signal, a morse code version of flashing starlight even... a UFO... (not the one hidden for decades and only worked on by the elite scientists involved in the conspiracy to hide the truth).

The point is that we do it all the time. We make stuff up. Often we make things up that sound so logical that it must be true. Even if it turns out to be true later... that doesn't change the fact that it was made up. Making stuff up doesn't make it true no matter how much it's wanted.

And by non-random. I'm saying that life exists where it can exist and that does not mean it is random. It requires very specific circumstances to exist. It requires many things to happen correctly to exist and in that case then life can exist. That doesn't make it random. It just makes it possible to exist in the environment that is compatible with its existence.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/1/2012 4:32:21 PM

You are just playing a game saying only the experience of something count for knowledge and that's not true. and if it turns out to be true later it wasn't just made up.


Actually I'm not trying to play a word game. The thought of something can lead to knowledge. Knowledge is not evidence. Knowing something doesn't make it true. It just means you have that idea.

I've spent the last month going as far as I can into belief vs. knowing vs. reality. It's been fun. Pretty much breaking my brain where it hurts. I want to believe in aliens. I have reason to believe in them. It is even logical and rational but that doesn't make them exist. I can also hold that belief and continue to hold that belief as though it is more than belief and still acknowledge that it doesn't make them real.

While you can do what you want as easily as I can do what I want, wanting doesn't make anything real either. You can hold your convictions of why it makes sense, why it is logical, why you believe what you believe. That doesn't translate to being real. Doesn’t make everything fall apart and go away if you acknowledge that either.
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Posted: 3/1/2012 8:42:05 PM

so there are aliens i can not see as well, i can know they are there, because i am here.

Pardon me if I start by saying you need to work on your sentence structure a bit. It can be confusing to determine what you really mean . You seem to be suggesting that because you exist, so must aliens. That is a non-sequitur, as there is nothing about humans in general [and likely you specifically] which is dependant upon alien existence. On the other hand, what you have actually written is that because you exist it is possible for you to observe aliens [if they exist]. That much is true...but there's no evidence of them, so one can make no absolute conclusion on the matter.



You are just playing a game saying only the experience of something count for knowledge and that's not true.
"knowledge" which is not based on evidence is meaningless, as it cannot be verified. Just because some 'fantasies' have later been proven true does not mean that all will be and that one can automatically conclude that aliens are 'fact'. In fact; scientifically, because many fantasies have been proven FALSE, the assumption of any fantasy being true is automatically proven to be a false assumption. IE, a fantasy can only be assumed true if no fantasy has ever been falsified [scientific method 101]. As long as those foresights and predictions have not been confirmed, they are still just fantasies, not facts.


while my knowledge of aliens is an Idea, i know via Science, that it corresponds with reality out there. even though the correspondence is indefinite, that the aliens are real.

Science leads to no such conclusion. Science requires disproving alternatives in order to draw a conclusion. What has been disproven such that "aliens" are the only possible explanation?


Even if I haven't met them, I can be sure they exist.

Not through science.


a lot of people wont admit to the existence of any thing they haven't experienced but there are many things that may be experienced only through logical argument because we can have no direct experience of them.

In this case there's no such logical argument. See above, regarding disproof of alternatives. There are two possible proofs: direct evidence, such as an alien on your lawn; and indirect evidence. The indirect evidence doesn't have to involve direct observation, but it does require a logical argument that the available evidence cannot possibly be obtained except by the existence of aliens.


so that's a shame. and the aliens are real whether i believe they are or not it does not depend on my belief so let us put that to rest. and not just when i meet them.

Sooo...prove it. Either logically or through direct evidence. Otherwise, all we have are probabilities, all of which are derived from a large number of assumptions.
 KorageHu
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Posted: 3/1/2012 10:31:31 PM
aliens exist. gods dont. i need to find a chick that has that in mind. end of story
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:35:19 PM

no the aliens do not exist as probabilities as much as you might suggest they do. that we exist here is proof that they can exist there, where ever there is.

"can" exist is a far cry from "do" exist. "Can" is a probability, not a certainty.


It falls on the doubter to prove that this is impossible which they cannot do.

That is true, but only to the extent of proving the "possibility" impossible. Since the reality itself has not been shown, there is nothing else to be disproven. As they say, that which is asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof.


That they can exist there and there is such a large number of there's for them to exist at untold billions of suns in millions of galaxys that to doubt their existanse is a form of madness and arrogance.

Again, this is at best probability, not certainty. "Doubt" is neither madness nor arrogance when there is neither evidence nor logic to support the claim. However, it might be both arrogant and mad to proclaim alien life "impossible" given what we know of the requirements of life. It is a far different thing to claim it "impossible" when it is only in fact "undemonstrated". All that I and most others are likely to say is that alien life is undemonstrated, and without demonstration, any claim of certainty is at least equally arrogant and mad as any claim of impossibility.
 Oceanside77
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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:57:28 PM
In certain moments I like alot of things that Steve Quale covers, mostly for entertainment, but then again the whole alien creating humans thing is an element that intrigues those who no longer have a religion. They are still looking for a Creator and higher being than themselves. I don't take too much stock in it becouse we still end up in an infinite regression of "well then who created the aliens and so forth", ad infinitum"...
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/2/2012 10:30:46 AM

we do not exist in a vacuum


Actually... we literally do live in a vacuum. It is called space. We are not outside of space we are in it. We may be protected from it but our existence definitely occurred within a vacuum :)
 veevee
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 3/2/2012 1:18:14 PM
Vacuum talk huh - so what we know is that we our universe is in the big Hoover in the sky. We are the trash that got sucked up from the better universes huh.
Once the dust bin gets emptied - it's all over for us or is that what black holes are for - exhaust and a hepa filter.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/2/2012 1:29:37 PM
The great hoover in the sky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum

a typical vacuum cleaner produces enough suction to reduce air pressure by around 20%.[2] Much higher-quality vacuums are possible. Ultra-high vacuum chambers, common in chemistry, physics, and engineering, operate below one trillionth (10−12) of atmospheric pressure (100 nPa), and can reach around 100 particles/cm3.[3] Outer space is an even higher-quality vacuum, with the equivalent of just a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter on average.
 ericwashere123
Joined: 1/30/2012
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Posted: 3/2/2012 7:22:07 PM
this isn't a scientific nor a philosophical question. I think you have been watching the history channel to much and have confused the pursuit of knowledge with entertainment. SCIENCE ONLY DEALS WITH QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE TESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 3/2/2012 8:29:42 PM

by the way. "have we been looking at the aliens all these years? are the sunspot on the sun living creatures living in a breeding cycle? mat colonies of bacteria or something similar?


Are you kidding me!? Seriously? I'm seriously thinking you need to up the dosage of whatever meds you're taking McCullough. Either that, or you're just starting to make stuff up for the troll of it.
 MikeWM
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Posted: 3/3/2012 5:40:54 AM
If aliens arent real how come ALF had his own TV show eh?
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 3/3/2012 7:10:04 AM

so it is Science.


What you're engaged in is not science but speculation and fantasy.

This is science:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:36:27 AM
What testing have you done?
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/17/2012 5:42:38 PM
and Belief is the difference between Human and Animal,
if you don't belive you aren't Human. not any more


Certainty of anything without evidence is faith and placing assumptions especially physical science theories as a dependency of anything of 'faith' will inevitably lead to the collapse of that theory. (I need a better word for theory in this sentence. I don't think it fits properly)

http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=1421

When in a tight spot, animals "lie" to their own kind to get what they want, a University of Rochester biologist has found.


A lie cannot be successful without a belief.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 3/17/2012 6:10:42 PM

if you don't believe, you'll see,
I've already made contact,


Up the dosage! Seriously!
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 3/18/2012 12:17:25 PM
>>>you will find i am providing everything , nessacary,

Not really. I mean, you've gone on to say things like aliens created AI's, and AI's created man.....but do you have any evidence of this? Have you proved anything?

No. You've just stated that its a good idea.

There's a difference between forming a hypothesis and testing one...you really need to understand that...

>>>and it's about to be proven.

So then you agree- you have yet to "prove" anything.

Why should I side with you if you cannot supply any proof? I mean, even if what you are saying is true- that aliens are real, and they contacted you- you have the personal experience of that event to back your own convictions on. But I don't.

No aliens have come down from the sky to shake my hand- I have no reason to believe they exist- and the utter lack of any evidence re-enforces this. I am not impressed or convinced by your convictions anymore than if someone were to tell me they shook hands with a flying spaghetti monster

Should I believe in something without any evidence supporting it? Is this the kind of support you want- from people who jump to conclusions and make assumptions? That testing hypothesis's should take back seat to forming a cool story?

It is completely unreasonable to challenge other peoples perceptions because you feel yours is better, but then claim its impossible to prove your perceptions are correct, and we should just accept your beliefs as fact.
 musicfellow38
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Posted: 3/18/2012 12:58:20 PM
"we do not exist in a vacuum" - mccullough64



Actually... we literally do live in a vacuum. It is called space. We are not outside of space we are in it. We may be protected from it but our existence definitely occurred within a vacuum :)
- Aries_328

McCullough64, I know EXACTLY what you were trying to say and I think you said it just fine. I know what you meant. You were being metephorical with your quote and it was a fine one. Which is what makes ARIES_328's reply quite funny. So hats off to both of you for an entertaining exchange. From his "smiley face" a the end of his comment, I'm guessing he's not disagreeing with your metaphor, just jumping on your choice of metaphor which happened to be literally false, thus amusing. Nice call. so I'm sincere when i say "LOL"
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/18/2012 11:49:47 PM
I'm not sure why aliens would want to create life on earth. Why us, in the first place, and why would they not have made themselves known to us at some point? What would be the big secret?

I think the idea some scientists have put forward that the seeds of life here came from elsewhere makes some sense. Some comets and some meteorites which have hit the earth contain organic compounds. Could some more complex molecules have formed from these in time, or even have come here that way? Countless objects, from as small as dust to miles across, and originating in all sorts of places, have fallen on the earth during its 4.6 billion years.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/19/2012 12:21:24 AM
We're just stardust. Still being bombarded by the universe, with new building blocks raining down on us over time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUk7TuKSeDs
 Jiperly
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Posted: 3/20/2012 4:03:51 PM
>>>I think the idea some scientists have put forward that the seeds of life here came from elsewhere makes some sense.

I agree, such a circumstance could be possible

That been said, a quick glance at the threads title shows you that we aren't talking about that....we're talking about life originating on its own, billions of species evolving on their own and only man had been "touched" by aliens.

Its a ludicrous suggestion to say the least...
 I_AM_THE_LORAX
Joined: 3/27/2012
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Posted: 4/5/2012 9:52:54 PM
anything can be taken out of context and made to suit an agenda...and usually when it comes to trying to explain some historical record etched on stone it becomes a game of poking in the dark in the sense that whats being referred to may not be actual events being recorded, but instead a pictorial way of writing the meaning of words in a language, like those found in ancient egyptian tombs and tablets. since theres no real way to know what is actually being conveyed, whats his name's translation is more like a possible explanation..not a definitive explanation.
 justajack
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Posted: 4/6/2012 3:38:47 PM
Anything is plausible....just depends upon your perspective?
 red_fir
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Posted: 4/12/2012 8:29:56 PM
Actually anyone with a library card knows that the field mice specified us in their hope to find the question more important than 42.
 Jiperly
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Posted: 4/28/2012 7:29:48 PM
Lol you don't find the fact that everyone thinks that aliens are exactly like us, when comparing the insane complexity of life on our planet alone, to be a lil bit revealing?
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