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 restless_native
Joined: 12/17/2006
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If God did create it, what did he do before?

I wouldn't even bother to think about stuff like that if I were you. It will just hurt your head.
 ChaoticDreamer
Joined: 8/25/2006
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where did all the matter come form in the universe
Posted: 11/24/2008 7:54:30 AM
I'm more curious as to where some of these sub-humans come from and why are they on this planet to bother us.
 restless_native
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where did all the matter come form in the universe
Posted: 11/24/2008 7:56:57 AM
It's not about being curious. Of course it would be interesting to know the answer.

However, we won't actually know the answer. Instead the best we'll get is mindless speculation and people talking bollox based on faith.
 pantsonfire
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where did all the matter come form in the universe
Posted: 11/24/2008 8:15:09 AM
Apparently according to some really clever people including James Hartle, Stephen Hawking and some guy called Augustine, a 5th century saint, there was nothing before the Big Bang because there was no time before the Big Bang so whatever happened to cause it is beyond comprehension because time and space are inextricably linked and one cannot exist without the other, so there was no nothing, no void, no matter and no anti matter, nor was there nothing because there was no time in existence for there to be any nothing..... Which is beyond human comprehension as it stands..

What caused the Big Bang itself is generally thought of as a 'singularity' which is basically something beyond the scope of current physics knowledge .. They think it was the same occurrence as what happens at the centre of a black hole but they can't be sure ...

So basically ...


I dunno ...
 pantsonfire
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where did all the matter come form in the universe
Posted: 11/24/2008 8:59:30 AM
^^ Exactly, there was no forever... There was no time before the Big Bang ... It came into existence at the same time as the Universe itself... They think that as the Universe is expanding time is slowing down ... They are inextricably intertwined because they came into existence as a result of this same 'singularity' .. Therefor there does not have to have been something 'before' the Big Bang because there was no before... So even though it had a beginning, therefor came into existence per se, there was nothing before it because there was no before it for there to be anything there...

So the Universe has been in existence since the beginning of time because time was created by the very same 'singularity' that brought the Universe itself into existence ...

So if anything was there before the Big Bang, it wasn't because there was no before, it hadn't happened yet...


Ouch

 pantsonfire
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Posted: 11/24/2008 11:11:47 AM
^^^ Ooooh good one Mac but what was producing the light to produce these photons ???



Also I love the theory of multitudinous alternate realities all revolving on a single axis.. All running in parallel and not ever realising each other exists ...

I love the idea that these mass disappearances such as the one where the 5th Norfolk regiment vanished on August 21, 1915 in Southern Europe near Dardanelles.. Or the disappearance in 1590 of about a hundred men, women and children, who lived in an American colony on Roanoke Island, might be accidental crossovers of these parallel universes ...

Ooooooooooh interestinger and interestinger ...
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 11/24/2008 11:30:48 AM
LMAO ^^^ Maybe we're a one way universe ... Offloading only between 0600 and 1800 Monday to Friday, no return within 1 hr ....
 Talk4England
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where did all the matter come form in the universe
Posted: 11/28/2008 10:54:50 AM
surely logic tells you that :- whether there is anything in the universe or nothing ,in this state it MUST be endless in ANY direction. how can there be an end?? is there a brick wall somewhere with a sign on it saying, " THE END OF THE UNIVERSE".

Bad logic.
You are right that it doesn't have an 'end' but wrong that it is endless!
It curves round on itself - its not Euclidean as a whole just when 'localised'.
(Like the world's not flat just appears like it locally- damn another arguement arising.)
 Talk4England
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where did all the matter come form in the universe
Posted: 11/28/2008 11:13:31 AM
bridge the Helium mass gap 5 and then again at gap 8 to produce the heavier eliments

Stars ?
 Talk4England
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where did all the matter come form in the universe
Posted: 12/2/2008 2:30:56 PM
Andyaa


See someone hasn’t rushed back to explain the mass 5 and 8 gap problem and the person that blurted stars? is that an answer or a question.


It was the answer - the simple version.
Big Bang nucleosynthesis is responsible for the formation of hydrogen and helium according to the Alpher-Bethe-Gamow theory and stellar nucleosynthesis is reponsible for the heavier higher elements according to Bethe's later theories.

Your confusion regards the other posts you have made follow from your misunderstanding of space-time curvature (non Euclidean geometry of the universe), the effect of relativity, gravity and assumptions such as some galaxies not travelling relative to us at light speed. Will really throw you to find out that the edge of the observable universe in any direction is about 46.5 billion light-years away! And this is easily explainable to a clever person but to semi-quote you - I'd hate to dumb you down.
 doomedpoet
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where did all the matter come from in the universe
Posted: 12/6/2008 10:03:39 AM
i believe the answer is simpler than you think - all the matter that the universe was formed from comes from the same place all the missing socks go - tiny sock sucking mini black holes formed by the unique sameness of the myriad of sock drawers in the universe - the incedible forces present in a black hole dissassemble the sock to a sub molecular level at at the black holes event horizon and spew it back in time to before the universe was created - - this simple and yet elegant solution solves two mysteries
1 where the matter came from
2 where all the socks dissapear too

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