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 tweetiebird66
Joined: 9/23/2008
Msg: 60
God in a wordPage 3 of 12    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12)

I prefer Vision & Sanity over Blindness & Illusion.


One man's sanity is another man's insanity.

One man's facts are another man's myths.

One man's right is another man's wrong.

..So many ants, running in circles...trying blindly through the illusion to find a way home...
 Life is Always Good
Joined: 10/8/2008
Msg: 61
God in a word
Posted: 11/27/2008 11:45:02 PM
Thanks Tick,

Glad you agree with everything I said, except:


I prefer Vision & Sanity over Blindness & Illusion.


The hereafter, whether it's there, whether it's even close to your personal approximation, whether it's even there. Have to go with the blindness and illusion. Vision and sanity don't allow for beliefs.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 62
God in a word
Posted: 11/27/2008 11:52:04 PM
Glad you agree with everything I said, except:

I have quoted 1 Line of your Post, but made no Reference to anything else in it.

Vision and sanity don't allow for beliefs.

Not necessary. Won't make any Difference, because once you get there, if you get there, if there is such a Thing as you have come to believe, whatever Reality/Existence is before you, you will have to deal with it at that Point. Enjoy your Life, worry about what comes after then.
 b2inus2
Joined: 10/27/2008
Msg: 63
God in a word
Posted: 11/27/2008 11:53:05 PM
The things that each of us believe at the moment ('cause things change, evolve sometimes, we grow...) are sacred.
They are simply, at least for me, a result of experience and the interpretation of that experience. I try to live a conscious life.

Ticket : To call those experiences "imaginations", "fabrications", and so on does nothing but break down communication. --- Tell me that you don't get it, tell me it doesn't make sense to you and I'll understand... But I cannot accept words like '"IT doesn't make sense" or "YOU are fabricating"...etc.
Personally I am not interested in convincing you of anything, because I don't need your aproval to know what works or doesn't Ticket. And unlike some, I don't have a strong need to be right.
I know God lives even if you don't think so. You look for Him with the eyes on your head...and I guarantee you will never find Him. Perhaps it is not about my "imaginations" but about your "blindness".

Even the word TRUST got all twisted. Trust is an action word, not a passive one, and it takes guts to do so. Trust is a muscle, it gets stronger the more you use it.
Ticket, you only trust yourself, you say? Amazing! So you are infallible and omiscient, know everything? Never made a mistake in your life and better yet, never will? I bet you are really humble too!!!

To my understanding this thread was about a word that described God, not a question of whether we believe in God or not. An exploration of different ideas can be stimulating ...don't you think? But only as long as those ideas are not being attacked.
Whenever I hear something new or unusual, rather than attack it I ask questions... Who knows one might learn something.

I know I don't have all the answers, but whatever little I have works extremely well. I would love to share what has worked for me because I see how people suffer, and they don't need to....I repeat: " Pain is inevitable - Suffering is optional" . Many times people can't find an answer and they conclude that there isn't one. They give up and suffer.

It is my belief that when we have pain, instead of avoiding it we'd be better off if we listened to its invitation. YES! Pain, problems, illness, disharmony in all its faces are nothing but invitations...To what you say?
They are invitations to look at the situation from a different perspective. that is all!! To grow outside of our narrow mentality, and to not let fear constantly rule our lives!

pine needle ...Personally I am not too concerned about the afterlife, about heaven or hell, etc. All that stuff will only confuse you I think. A sincere heart who really wants answers will always find them...the key words being sincere and humble.
I am more concerned in creating a heaven right here and now.
Borrowing from Gandhi: Being the change that I seek. <img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>
 Life is Always Good
Joined: 10/8/2008
Msg: 64
God in a word
Posted: 11/27/2008 11:58:11 PM
Ticket, you only trust yourself, you say? Amazing! So you are infallible and omiscient, know everything? Never made a mistake in your life and better yet, never will? I bet you are really humble too!!!


Just as an aside:

Thou shalt not run other people down in the forums or in the coliseum of wherever other people shall meet. the 11th commandment.
 Life is Always Good
Joined: 10/8/2008
Msg: 65
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:09:36 AM

Enjoy your Life, worry about what comes after then.


Don't have a problem with that. I keep wafffling between take it on the nose when you go down, or figure out what I want in the after time. Don't really want to be a frog or a newt. Thinking, maybe an adhanced version of Saturday Night Fever. Been talking to Travolta and we'll be at the QE in March. Hope you can make it.
 yabbdabbadoo
Joined: 10/9/2007
Msg: 66
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:15:49 AM
controversial...............................................
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 67
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:16:03 AM
Ticket, you only trust yourself, you say? Amazing! So you are infallible and omiscient, know everything? Never made a mistake in your life and better yet, never will? I bet you are really humble too!!!

Not sure what trusting myself has anything to do with "infallible" and "omniscient", nor anything to do with any Mistakes in Life. Do you now see what I mean with "Fabrications"?

Secondly, as usual, you have mis-quoted me incinuating I only trust myself when I never said that. I said I trust myself. I could further add to that my Family, Friends, Business Associates, etc., but does not incl. what you assume some God supposedly gave me.

Even the word TRUST got all twisted.

By your own Hand maybe, since you brought it up, and whatever you said about it doesn't make much Sense either, nor does it really have anything to do that is material to my Post.

To call those experiences "imaginations", "fabrications", and so on does nothing but break down communication. --- Tell me that you don't get it, tell me it doesn't make sense to you and I'll understand...

In bold below is yet another Fabrication:

"You look for Him with the eyes on your head...and I guarantee you will never find Him."

... because it doesn't exist, is not perceivable by others, ie. entirely of your own Make-up.

Even the word TRUST got all twisted. Trust is an action word, not a passive one, and it takes guts to do so. Trust is a muscle, it gets stronger the more you use it.

That makes even less Sense than your Previous Take of:

"YOU don't trust. That's ok. But if you don't TRUST, therefore know nothing about it, then the muzzle applies....."

... where I indicated I trust myself. Further, this is again something you have brought up out of the Blue, and had nothing to do with anything I had quoted previously. Doesn't make much Sense either.

And yet further it appears you fabricate the Idea that "I don't Trust", and you indicate that "Trust" is required to "know" Something. This is the Illogical Nonsense from Someone who wants to tell me something exists which cannot be perceived. If anything I would primarily question your Ability of rational Thought, never mind anything in respect to any God.

Perhaps it is not about my "imaginations" but about your "blindness".

I hope the Powers of Hypocrisy guide you well ... since you are one who is trying to make me see that which doesn't exist ...

To my understanding this thread was about a word that described God

The OP cannot limit your Response to a List of a specified Quantity of Words, Discussion has to ensue, as List Threads are deleted. Such Requests can be safely ignored.

It is my belief that when we have pain, instead of avoiding it we'd be better off if we listened to its invitation. YES! Pain, problems, illness, disharmony in all its faces are nothing but invitations...To what you say?

Does this actually make any Sense to you? Again what does this have to do with anything about "What God/Creator" gave us? You are again running off somewhere else here.

They are invitations to look at the situation from a different perspective. that is all!! To grow outside of our narrow mentality, and to not let fear constantly rule our lives!

???????? You completely lost me here. Very little in your Post is sequeteur to anything whatsoever.
 Jace B
Joined: 6/20/2008
Msg: 68
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:17:41 AM
God in a Word = 'US'

It takes 2 to tango
3's Company
4's a crowd.

All religions have stories of groups over coming great odds. They all teach us to live in harmony of some kind within groups. They all have rules how to deal with others in groups. Yet most of us think, 'I am, I do, I think, I live' You didnt come into world alone, people have always in some form or another have helped you throughout life. It's always been US..but some where we got lost.

Who would you be without those around you?

But with all of US, we can achieve anything. We can change the world, we can feed the poor, we can cure disease, we can find peace.

It takes all of 'US' to do it.
 b2inus2
Joined: 10/27/2008
Msg: 69
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:47:44 AM


Ticket you really did not understand anything I wrote!?
I know it's late...but did I accidentally write in Spanish or something?? Or maybe I will try that next time...
I'm tired ... I'm gonna say me prayers...lol Good nite!!
 Dancing_4_You
Joined: 1/21/2006
Msg: 70
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God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:53:52 AM
hope you don't mind my stepping into the "argument", but maybe t2r doesn't like the missionary position you are trying to impose. well, that should make him popular with the ladies, eh? ok, just lightening it up a bit or at least trying.

spirituality is not for one to define for another. if you believe in a G-d, don't get confused with speaking for that which is over you. each person can only relate upwards to a Higher Power. this is a personal choice, belief or disbelief and experience. it cannot be argued intellectually. all each person can do is to share their own journey.

an interesting read is fritjof capra. he attempts to link science and spirit. met him way back at a conference of very interesting people who sought to bang it all together. margaret wheatley is another interesting person who links biology to "more than". saw her slide show at another conference and i still can see it in my mind. showing underlying "order" to all disruption and an integrating force or pattern behind all movement. from petri dish to traffic jam, she had it all on film to see from "above".

as to what happens when we die? personally i don't care. i leave it to HP. some think their soul will remain, but why not disintegrate as if you were to pour a glass of water into the ocean? my friend who "believes" argues the soul is equivalent to the lowest molecule and not the entire drink! me personally, i'd prefer to put my energy into learning and serving, rather than to gloat how i will be "selected" to live forever because i am "chosen". rather an issue of ego, i would think, rather than of spirit.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 71
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 1:12:43 AM
Ticket you really did not understand anything I wrote!?

If filling your Post with non-sequeteur, illogical & indecipherable Gobbledygook is a Way for you to bow out of a Discussion, so be it.

each person can only relate upwards to a Higher Power.

I just want to point out, I do not deny the Existence of God, a God, or whatever that Concept may be for each of us, but I don't buy into Stories that were fabricated Thousands of Years ago clearly for the Purpose of social Mind Control.

i leave it to HP.

I fix my own Printers ...
 FunnyAndSweet48
Joined: 8/21/2007
Msg: 72
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 1:14:07 AM
If not for my trust & faith in God, I would literally be dead now, as in six feet under & my children would be motherless today.

So it doesn't matter to me if others choose not to believe in God but I personally wouldn't have made it this far in life without trusting that God answers prayer, usually not in the manner you asked, but often in some pretty bizarre & unexpected ways. I have shared my testimonials of all the times that God has turned the impossible into perfect resolutions when I've turned to Him, but will not share it here as my testimonials are not open for debate.

I don't criticize others for choosing not to believe but I honestly don't know how anyone can survive the toughest bumps in life without having faith in God. I can't deny that there have been many moments in my life when I questioned whether God really existed or not. I prayed yet my prayers went answered so I became very angry & hurt that the God I believed in & trusted wasn't there for me. Or so I thought ... until I realized, sometimes much later, that my prayers weren't answered because He had better things in store for me than what I prayed for. All I needed was to ask then be patient and wait for His timing, which is always perfect.

God is my FATHER, someone who is always there because His LIGHT shines inside me. I can choose to accept His presence in me & live each day knowing He is walking beside me. I can choose to speak to Him, listen to His wisdom, follow his guidance & allow His LOVE to radiate from me to all those who cross my path.

Choosing to stifle & deny His presence is a personal choice that each of us has to make for ourselves. Nobody has the right to criticize others for their choice to believe or not to believe. If you truly live with God in your heart, then God's love will emanate from you & not allow you to snub others, be judgmental or critical towards those who disbelieve Him, because God is LOVE & love doesn't do that.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 73
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 1:26:08 AM
I honestly don't know how anyone can survive the toughest bumps in life without having faith in God.

Just my Perspective on such Matters ...

I plan for all sorts of Contingencies, I know that Life is quite capable to throw all sorts of Wrenches into the Works and I always make sure I have all my Bases covered. And "Tough Bumps" I resolve by forming a Course of Action, what is required to resolve the Situation and then set out to remedy it. I personally don't find closing my Eyes and communicating with Whatever/Whoever is a causative Path that has any Bearing whatsoever to fix anything.

But that's just my take ... what I find works very well for me.
 ~Hello~
Joined: 7/30/2008
Msg: 74
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 5:32:10 AM
Ticket! may I quote you?? Thanks!

>>
I just want to point out, I do not deny the Existence of God, a God, or whatever that Concept may be for each of us, but I don't buy into Stories that were fabricated Thousands of Years ago clearly for the Purpose of social Mind Control.


I wish I had your way with words. That says it all for me. Thanks.

For the purposes of levity:
What's the worst thing about being an atheist?
You've no one to talk to when having an orgasm!

 XHTML
Joined: 6/5/2008
Msg: 75
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 5:35:51 AM
There are many faiths in this world in which there is at least one god, deity, supreme being, etc. Christianity is only one of them.

From
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
(where you can view a pie chart that illustrates nicely the figures below)



Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents
(Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.5 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand


You'll find another pie chart with different data at
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Worldwide_percentage_of_Adherents_by_Religion.png
it being on this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

where Muslims at 20% are second to Christianity at 33 %

My point is there are many religions, each with its own beliefs or variation of beliefs. The believers of various faiths may argue and defend their beliefs as being the right one, and some even go to battle in the name of religion. However all this effort and bloodshed does not prove there is a god. Lacking tangible proof makes it difficult to determine which description is accurate or appropriate, whether some say god is omniscient, loving, omnipresent, etc.

I conduct and hold myself to high moral standards and do so because of who I am, not because of some edict handed down in religion.

I have several friends who are Christians. If I'm their dinner guest I'll respectfully bow my head and join hands with everyone else as someone says grace and then add my "amen" before we dig in. I don't think any less or any more of my friends because they have a belief in a god, a belief that I don't share. I am confident they have the same feelings for me.

I conclude with the reminder friendships are lost because of disagreements over politics and religion. If we respect each other, even if our beliefs differ, the world will be a better place.
 Behindthescenes
Joined: 6/20/2007
Msg: 79
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 9:44:10 AM
I will not enter into the can of worms that has been opened here but I will say to Post # 45....a person can take any passage out of the Bible and turn it into a argument for their own personal use .Its not one verse that speaks for or against something...it is the context in which it was written that you learn the truth .Please do not take one verse out of The whole Bible in order to make yourself look Biblically Knowledgable....it in fact has the opposite affect..it makes you look like a fool.I have a suggestion for you...read the WHOLE BIBLE from start to finish..and if you need any help with the big words or meanings..please ask someone with some sort of authority to explain it you so then you can make a EDUCATED post on this topic. PS. yes I may have mis-spelled some words, but that does not take away from the meaning of them.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 80
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 11:19:40 AM
I have several friends who are Christians. If I'm their dinner guest I'll respectfully bow my head and join hands with everyone else as someone says grace and then add my "amen" before we dig in. I don't think any less or any more of my friends because they have a belief in a god, a belief that I don't share.

Exactly. Respect each others Beliefs, don't label anyone unheathen because they don't want to agree, comply or join. I don't need to be told what my afterlife Lot will be if I don't follow Sets of religious Scriptures and Dogma, nor do I need to convince anyone that their Beliefs are false or incorrect. Most Problems come about because some People feel their "God" gives them the Right to step on the Toes of others.
 PhatFat the WaterRat
Joined: 9/11/2008
Msg: 81
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 11:34:20 AM
I thought it somehow timely that I received this as an email today. It is a tad long winded but interesting with a hmmm kind of twist at the end.

Interesting deduction.

~ God vs. Science ~

'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!'

He considers for a moment, 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues.

'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er...yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one, 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters, 'From God.'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil' s everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes.'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer.

'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question, 'Who created them?'


There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing, 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes.'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet.

The student begins to explain ...

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.'

'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time, 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains ...

'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'

'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room, 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.'

'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers, 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues, 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.


PS: The student was Albert Einstein.
 XHTML
Joined: 6/5/2008
Msg: 82
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:03:48 PM

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'.


While Einstein's argument is indeed a long-winded one it does not prove that good cannot exist without god, which is the premise on which his whole argument is hinged.

Einstein was a genius but not all his opinions are forgive my pun, gospel truth. If one were to search Google for "flaws in einstein" they would be rewarded with numerous links to web pages describing flaws in his theories.
 thismikerocks
Joined: 11/20/2008
Msg: 83
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 12:15:22 PM
Quite the interesting information everyone's bring up here. Bravo.
 Life is Always Good
Joined: 10/8/2008
Msg: 84
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 1:37:14 PM
PhatFat the WaterRat,

Best read on here in a long time. Thank you.
 b2inus2
Joined: 10/27/2008
Msg: 85
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 2:09:04 PM
While Einstein's argument is indeed a long-winded one it does not prove that good cannot exist without god, which is the premise on which his whole argument is hinged.


Perhaps the whole point of our lives is to find out the truth about all this...
If the answer was obvious where would the mystery of life be?

Thanks WaterRat, really enjoyed the read too!

psst! coming to think of it, it seems to me that nothing much can exist without God.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 87
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 3:12:21 PM
'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.

The Wonderful World of Black & White Absolutes ...

A Couple Thousands of Years ago People were not educated, certainly knew little of their own language, reading & Writing, Geography, History, Science and what not and would probably not possess any more Knowledge than a 10 Year old Boy. That even the "Best have the Worst in them" would be a Line of Reasoning that would probably never have crossed their Minds.

How do you control Adults who are what would otherwise be considered Savages from our modern Context?

Make up a Story of some powerful unknown Being, which if you failed to obey or heed, will FEDEX you off to some Afterlife of everlasting Pain, creating ample Fear to bring about Compliance & Introversion.

Perhaps that was, at that Time, a good Entrance Point to create a Civilization, since if you can't Reason with them to stop doing stupid Sh*t, at least you can "Scare them Straight".

We have come and gone Way beyond that Point. These antiquated under-pegging Vices are no longer necessary, we have Income Tax now ...

Being far more intelligent & knowlegeable than our distant Cousins of Millennia ago, we have far better Means to research and possibly the actual Ability to find the God(s) we have sought for Thousands of Years. But utilizing "Mind Control" Propaganda of long ago designed for unruly Primitives & Neanderthals, Things have changed, we've come a long Way since.

it seems to me that nothing much can exist without God.

Thank you, thank you for validating me for all I do. Now down on your knees, tell me all the Crap you pulled off on your Mother-in-Law last Week ...

It is impossible that the deity created itself unless there already was some form of energy or substance, because we do know that the absences energy equals nothing.

Here is the Hitch ... I am sure one can create himself, possibly into the State of a Deity. But before this "Deity" even existed, what or who already existed that was doing the "Creating?"

We can talk about Time, and/or Sequences of Occurrence. The Man educated in popular religious Theologies will tell you God was always there, but that omits the Sequences of Actions that may have taken place.

Either some Information is missing, or the God/Creator Theory is invalid.
 Life is Always Good
Joined: 10/8/2008
Msg: 88
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 3:27:14 PM
What came first? The chicken or the egg? Seems we've beaten this one to death. To each his own and have a Merry Christmas. (Of course, can't let that one go without the religious connatation attached).
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