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 thismikerocks
Joined: 11/20/2008
Msg: 89
God in a wordPage 4 of 12    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12)
Ticket you almost make me want to cry (sarcasm there) I think it can hardly be claimed that we are more intelligent now then we were back then. Certainly there is far more knowledge about how the world works now then there was thousands of years ago, that much is a given.

Yet because you posses knowledge does not make you a better person nor does it make you a person who can live properly within society. The average American posseses what.. a grade 4 education? At least people thousands of years ago could all farm land, or would have some sort of craft that they could practice at. Now we have people on welfare living off of our taxes. We have people going out and randomly shooting, murdering, raping, pillaging and plundering (okay maybe not the last two) at will. If you were to sit back and actually look at the world in perspective today you would realize that it is on a down hill slope to destruction.

God or no God humanity is in for a rude awakening in the years to come.

If you think about that little diddy involving Albert Enstien as well... at the young age he was back at the time that story was written he most likely had more knowledge of how things work in terms of scientific theory and what not then everyone who has posted on this forum so far. If anything he would have possesd the knowledge to credit or discredit the Lord, instead he took a university professors argument and turned it around on him.

Bottom line belief in God is faith in the fact is that he exists, science can't prove what it cannot grasp. Science is a man made conecpt and well I'm pretty sure all God believing religions agree on one thing and that is man cannot grasp the entirety that is God.

Maybe instead of bashing people and being rude like you have been (I know your trying to keep up an intelligent conversation but there are better ways of saying things then you have been and if you want to have a good and civil conversation then keep clean and don't be a jerk. If you don't want to be nice about then do everyone a favour and go be rude elsewhere.) give it a shot, open your heart and mind a little bit and attend some services or something. Failing that maybe do some chairty work or something good for the world and if you do already, well then good on ya.

Cheers Ticket, thanks for trying to keep the conversation alive but its okay.
 Behindthescenes
Joined: 6/20/2007
Msg: 92
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 4:08:46 PM
Some folks claim since they cannot "see" God he must not exist? Hmmm...we cannot see the wind either, we can see evidence of the wind..sure, but the "wind" its self no.Yet people say...boy its a windy day outside etc. If you have ever seen a baby being born ..human or animal , then I say...you have your proof , that their is a God !
 thismikerocks
Joined: 11/20/2008
Msg: 93
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 4:24:17 PM
You may not be criticizing people's faith sir but you are most certainly criticizing them. I apologize but I do have an education and I am not what any person has every considered to be poorly educated at that either. You say the majority of believers? Where did you come up with these facts? I'm sorry but your generalizing an extreme amount right now and maybe you should rethink your opinions when you have better knowledge of what your talking about.

I do not see ny politics at all in my faith, I hardly attend church this is true and so life my life free of any drama there. Yet even when I went to church I did not see any government conspiracy trying to make us do their will or keep us in line.

The Law is designed to keep the masses in control sir and nobody in any church I have ever attended has ever controlled me.
 James Bottomtooth III
Joined: 5/19/2008
Msg: 94
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 4:31:17 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is Malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him god?


Epicurus
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 95
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 4:43:46 PM
The average American posseses what.. a grade 4 education?

If you feel the average American after 12 Years of School has a grade 4 Education, what do you suppose your distant relatives had?

At least people thousands of years ago could all farm land, or would have some sort of craft that they could practice at. Now we have people on welfare living off of our taxes. We have people going out and randomly shooting, murdering, raping, pillaging and plundering (okay maybe not the last two) at will. If you were to sit back and actually look at the world in perspective today you would realize that it is on a down hill slope to destruction.

They farm Land today.

Unless you have comparative Statistics of random Shooting, Murdering, Raping, Pillaging and Plundering, you have posed no Comparison at all. The following Link will however give you an Index that Crime was far more rampant in the Past ... --> Gentleman's Magazine of 1731

God or no God humanity is in for a rude awakening in the years to come.

Proselitizing Drivel ...

Albert Enstien as well... at the young age he was back at the time that story was written he most likely had more knowledge of how things work in terms of scientific theory and what not then everyone who has posted on this forum so far.

Reality Check !!!

Einstein's famous equation "E=MC squared" is WRONG, or at best only partially correct. His definition of energy is WRONG, his definition of mass is WRONG, C is defined as the top speed possible for anything, then it is squared, which would be even faster and thus contradicts the definition. Light is described as a constant, which is WRONG as defined. In a higher understanding, light does not move, our perception of the speed of light is WRONG.

For his "Theories of Relativity", he can thank J. J. Thomson, Wilhelm Wien, Max Abraham, Henri Poincaré & primarily to Friedrich Hasenöhrl who all implicitly used the expression m=E/c2 for the mass of electromagnetic energy long before Einstein. The term "Theory of Relativity" was coined by Max Planck in 1908.

Contributors who supplied all necessary Infos which Eistein cobbled together:

Max Planck, Walther Nernst, Philipp Lenard, Satyendra Nath Bose, Niels Henrik David Bohr, Johannes Stark.

When we actually examine the life of Albert Einstein, we find that his only 'brilliance' was in his ability to PLAGIARIZE and STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS, PASSING THEM OFF AS HIS OWN. Einstein's education, or lack thereof, is an important part of this story.

Einstein had Membership in at least 16 Communist front Organizations.

In a Letter written to President Roosevelt, he recommended developing the Bomb which later toasted Hiroshima, and further advised the US keep an arsenal of Nuclear Weapons to keep others in check. He was the Father of the Cold War.

He is no different than 'Isaac Newton' who plagiarized 'Gottfried Leibnitz' Quantum Physics after he was handed a Copy, but then accused good old Gottfried of plagiarism himself.

In respect to Einstein's Discoveries, 'Hendrik Antoon Lorentz' had the math worked out, Einstein's wife did much of the math, Maxwell figured out what light was, Planck got us stuck with quantum theory, and Newton supplied his well-established classical theory of mechanics. What Einstein did was read these Papers, sit back in his Patent-Office Seat, and ask himself "What sort of Assumptions can I make that results in Physical Behavior like this?", and he boiled it down to just two short sentences:

"Physical Laws are invariant in inertial Reference Frames"
"Speed of Light Radiation in a Vacuum is constant".

Bottom line belief in God is faith in the fact is that he exists

You need to find out what the Definition of a Fact is.

Maybe instead of bashing people and being rude like you have been (I know your trying to keep up an intelligent conversation but there are better ways of saying things then you have been and if you want to have a good and civil conversation then keep clean and don't be a jerk. If you don't want to be nice about then do everyone a favour and go be rude elsewhere.)

If your Assessment that an Objective Demonstration that your Arguments are full of Holes make you believe I am being rude, then so be it. If you however want to insinuate I am actually being a Jerk or being rude, then you are walking on thin Ice. Its not the first time that Men of religious disposition go a little off the deep End when it has been shown the Points they have tried to make have no Basis whatsoever. Time to ask for forgiveness now.

Insults and Trolling are not part of this Discussion, or anywhere else on the Forums.
 thismikerocks
Joined: 11/20/2008
Msg: 97
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 4:50:53 PM
I give you the props on knowing the full life of Mr. Einstien and what not since I don' t know much about him I was making a comment more or less referring to someone else's post, I fully admit I am ignorant on that subject.

However yes you could word your arguments in much less provocative way and as a end result you would be a lot less insulting. If insults are not welcome on this forum then it as I wrote that you shouldn't be so rude when you are writing some of your responses because in fact I think you have been.

Your arguments are also full of holes because as I have noticed in general they lack any facts to them. Yet if you think about mayhaps we should just get back to the original point of this thread, as in any good forum people shouldn't go off on a tangent just because the word god was used.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 98
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 5:10:33 PM
However yes you could word your arguments in much less provocative way and as a end result you would be a lot less insulting.

That's entirely your baseless Perception, no different than any other religious Organizations which continuously attempts to mute those who point out Fallacies in their Arguments.

Your arguments are also full of holes because as I have noticed in general they lack any facts to them.

Just a Statement, or do you have anything to back that up?
We were only discussing God, and my previous Post clearly demonstrated how and why he was made up that still makes up a large Part of the current Christianity Movement.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 99
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 5:23:05 PM
Poking holes at other's ideas is what you have been doing in nearly every case!

Arguments are not Insults. Don't post if you don't want your Points questioned by Posters.

And yes, check your language and how you try to ridicule people... (my mother in law???) Now, who did you say lost it??? Will you be asking for forgiveness too, or just banning a few?

You mean every time someone makes a rather obvious playful Joke on the Forums. There'd be nobody left.
 b2inus2
Joined: 10/27/2008
Msg: 100
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 5:26:17 PM
^^^^Yes, areguments are not insults...disagreements are not insults....But the WAY you say things is insulting ....GET IT?

Ticket, I believe most of us are here to have fun, to be mentally stimulated, etc.
I am not interested in convincing anyone of anything...you can keep your ideas, but do you need to ridicule by putting ideas in there that did not exist there in the first place, ideas from your own head? Do you have to misquote or partially quote and therefore and incomplete idea, to prove your point??

This is no fun for anyone...and don't tell me again that if I don't like it quit.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 101
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 5:42:34 PM
Bottom line belief in God is faith

I don't believe that Faith is required to perceive an Existence of Something. I see it as a Mental Trick, in that a Person blindly assumes something to exist despite all other Indicators to the Contrary, then "perceives" or "experiences" the Mechanics, Kickbacks & Repercussions of his Mind, since it violates the Principles of, and suppresses the Faculties of Reason. Then he notices a Change in Thought has occurred, and then labels that as God.

That's why Religions often prey on the The Down & Outers and those in complete Apathy, where the Mind has already partially shut down the Result of Failures to deal with the Problem of Life. In this Frame of Mind, they are very susceptible and gullible to be sold "Salvation", and quite receptive to anything that provides a Door out of the Morass.

Science is a man made concept

I would refer to it as a Statement of Functions of the known World and its Phenomena.

besides political power it is one of the most commonly used instruments to place 'special' persons above others and to control masses to serve few.

Well said. And further its probably the Best Money Making Racket ever conceived.

God he must not exist? Hmmm...we cannot see the wind either, we can see evidence of the wind..

Wind is perceivable. Nothing was said about seeing it, any more than one can see music playing way over the Hills down the other side. But you can see Leaves fluttering in the Wind, feel the temperature Difference on your Skin, etc.

If you have ever seen a baby being born ..human or animal , then I say...you have your proof , that their is a God !

I see nothing in respect to a Birth that suggests there is a God. I'd be more inclined to think religeous Folk read things into it.

You may not be criticizing people's faith sir but you are most certainly criticizing them.

The Validity of your Arguments and Statements on Forums are subject to Poster Interrogation, Posts are not here for the Purpose of proselytizing. If its too holy for you, and you can't stand the Heat of having Holes pointed out in your Statements, then don't post here. Wrong Place.

^^^^Yes, areguments are not insults...disagreements are not insults....But the WAY you say things is insulting ....GET IT?

There are no Insults from my End, and if pointing out Holes in your Arguments makes you believe its insulting to you, then so be it. There is a distinct Difference between what defines an Insult and what you perceive it is. You have Nonsense to peddle, I'll gladly point it out.

Ticket, I believe most of us are here to have fun, to be mentally stimulated, etc.

This is a Discussion Board, a Forum. Not sure what that is, look it up.

I am not interested in convincing anyone of anything...you can keep your ideas, but do you need to ridicule by putting ideas in there that did not exist there in the first place, ideas from your own head?

Its called a Discussion, and your Post is subject to ridicule and a lot more, the Poster personally however is not. If you make a Statement that is ridiculous, anyone is free to point that out.

Do you have to misquote or partially quote and therefore and incomplete idea, to prove your point??

That's exactly what you have been doing. Ask yourself.
 Wind Chimez
Joined: 11/21/2008
Msg: 102
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 6:17:27 PM
Deism holds that God is wholly transcendent: God exists, but does not intervene in the world beyond what was necessary to create it In this view, God is not anthropomorphic, and does not literally answer prayers or cause miracles to occur.

Sounds like typical management practices. Wonder if the so called Jacobs ladder was how you climbed up the coporate ladder in the story book.

Scullduggery!!!

 Wildman46
Joined: 6/4/2008
Msg: 103
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 6:21:55 PM
This is no fun anymore... And don't tell me again that if I don't like it quit


Religious debates usually get pretty heated. You should know this going in, when it comes to religion, it can get very testy. If you can't take the heat, don't turn on the stove.

Never debate, Religion, weight, or Race in these forums, unless you can take getting your feelings hurt.
 Temptation50
Joined: 5/13/2007
Msg: 104
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 7:55:04 PM
I wonder if any of the lets say.....pro religion types will see the new Bill Maher movie ''reliculous'' or something like that.......
From interviews it seems to be very "factual" based......something the religous types really object to and usually take offense......
The first FACT being that the bible was written by men, mortals ......and then being iterpreted by more mere mortals to basicly read as anyone seems fit.......hence the thousands of different denominations that constantly slam everyones else denomination.......yet, it all stems from the identical book??
Go figure.....

No one, not one super evangilist has seen God, No one can prove they talk to God.....
So what gives??
Just believe what another so called self professed expert tells you??

No......I'll live with the insticts God gave me.......not what a well paid bible promoter tells me......
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 107
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 8:31:17 PM
Behind the exsistance of life, there is something more at work, a blue print of some kind. We are playing the game, but we don't even know there is a programming code running in the back ground.

And that I can agree with, in that you don't pretend to know something that has not yet borne out which leaves absolutely no Doubt in anyone's Mind who or what God may be.
 Wind Chimez
Joined: 11/21/2008
Msg: 108
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 8:46:26 PM
The English word for “God” has become a source of confusion for Christians since at least the Anglo-Saxon era. Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary says that the origin of the word ‘god’ comes from a Germanic word ‘gad,’ pronounced as “gohdt.”

Apparently the word god is used generically by many different religions to refer to their deity or “invoked one.”

So OP are you refering to who GOD who might exist to some or how the word relates to the english speaking believers?????
 ~JustSimplyMe~
Joined: 8/18/2006
Msg: 110
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God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 8:49:21 PM
A.S.is

What's the worst thing about being an atheist?
You've no one to talk to when having an orgasm!

That's the best ever. When my bf and I first got together I had to ask him if me saying 'Oh God' offended him
 Dancing_4_You
Joined: 1/21/2006
Msg: 111
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God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 9:57:48 PM
great stuff Phat and Tyee! have read about the numerous "religions" but never saw the stats! and yes, for some HP was hewlett packard versus higher power, although it is said that their voluntary contributions used to be so high, there may be a connection between the two! so how has this personal investment fared in todays' economy? i bet you the religious sector is making way more money right now!

as to proving there is or is not a G-d, that can go on forever, especially if in man's image. but, higher principles are always at work and cannot be denied. well, unless there is another einstein among us? boy, would i have liked to date him and pick his brain....

so in one word... i continue to maintain transformation is a good one. for me, it puts an umbrella over the rest. yin and yang, half filled and half empty, good and evil, love and hate, rain and drought, doubt and belief, life and death and the continuous cycle of things but maybe widening and maybe shrinking.

hmmm. maybe i missed it but some say the word is OM. here on pof, i've seen OMG in the under 30 segment.

ps geeze, this is a british columbia thread. ya think maybe HP moved over to india and china for a while? well sorry to invade from CA, but just in case anyone is angry with me for participating, i was born and raised in brooklyn. so maybe you all will forgive my entry!
 FunnyAndSweet48
Joined: 8/21/2007
Msg: 112
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 10:19:14 PM
In this view, God is not anthropomorphic, and does not literally answer prayers or cause miracles to occur.

Perhaps miracles & answered prayer are bonuses that one gets for having faith in God. This believer is very, very thankful that God has blessed her with countless miracles & answered prayer.

Ticket in a word: Atheist ... or is it Agnostic? I still like ya dude, even though you do take things a little too seriously sometimes. Christmas is coming ... Ticket could use a relaxing massage & aromatherapy session after all his recent exhaustive debating.


May a hedge of angels protect all posters from any Spiritual Warfare that might be happening on this thread.
 PhatFat the WaterRat
Joined: 9/11/2008
Msg: 113
God in a word
Posted: 11/28/2008 10:43:13 PM

No one, not one super evangilist has seen God, No one can prove they talk to God.....
So what gives??

interesting thing is if one admits that they confer with God AND He actually talks back to them, then guess what??,..... off to the nut house they go.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't I believe the saying goes.

I am not convinced that so many are necessarily atheist either,... but as FAS said,... Agnostic.... just SHOW me once and I'll believe ....right? No blind faith necessary.

To each their own.... just be kind.
 Temptation50
Joined: 5/13/2007
Msg: 114
God in a word
Posted: 11/29/2008 6:22:53 AM
See, that's not true.......^^^^^^
Lots of TV evangelists claim they talk to God........Usually he's told him to ask for more contributions.....you know, to spread the word......
Fact is. it's used to keep these evangelists in a lifestyle of the rich and famous......
They're not locked up until they're caught for other crimes......

Most church goers claim to have spoken to God......in this toungue dialect......
Another notion I have an problem listning too.........
They're not locked up.......embraced at times even, retarded......

My point is simply, religion revolves around MONEY and POWER.........
Both in my opinion are the two biggest evils known to man.........
 ryaninvan
Joined: 9/8/2008
Msg: 115
God in a word
Posted: 11/29/2008 9:35:10 AM
To me it's a scam. Look into your religions history and you'll see the sham it is.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 116
God in a word
Posted: 11/29/2008 11:03:02 AM
interesting thing is if one admits that they confer with God AND He actually talks back to them, then guess what??,..... off to the nut house they go.

That's not enough for Incarceration. The Criterias are far more stringent than that, its not that easy to do. And I doubt speaking to one's Maker is classified as a psychiatric Condition, although shooting at little green Men with Antennas on their Ears might be.

I am not convinced that so many are necessarily atheist either,... but as FAS said,... Agnostic.... just SHOW me once and I'll believe ....right? No blind faith necessary.

Exactly my Point. If you have to rely exclusively on "Faith" to in order to perceive something, then I would first question the Concept of 'Faith' itself and what Mental Effects or imaginary Ideas it produces.

This can be further witnessed by the Fact that Christians never experience the Message of Prophet Muhammed, and Islams cannot feel the Love of Jesus. Should you however tell anyone in your Congregation you have just experienced Enlightenment through the Hindu God "Shiva", your infidel A$$ will likely be excommunicated or your Airliner bombed.

Enlightening enough?

Faith ... self-fabricated mental Blocks to occlude & prevent painful Perceptions from the Pressures of Life, pretending non-existent Entities will provide a Crutch. Its a "Flip-the-Breaker" kinda Deal, when all other Means to deal with Problems have failed, and may possibly be the highest Level of Unconsciousness. The next Level down may be being under the Effect of psychedelic Substances, further down ... Sleep.

None of this has anything to do any with Spirituality or any Supreme Being, which is another Ball of Wax altogether, in that Faith is not necessarily required.
 ritawayward
Joined: 4/17/2007
Msg: 117
God in a word
Posted: 11/29/2008 11:22:44 AM
interesting thing is if one admits that they confer with God AND He actually talks back to them, then guess what??,..... off to the nut house they go.

That's not enough for Incarceration




And I doubt speaking to one's Maker is classified as a psychiatric condition


It's not far off! One of the first questions gps and shrinks ask when attending a mental health crisis
is "Does God talk to you?" and they always use " through the tv" as an example! lol
So, I guess talking to him is ok because the Docs are required to accept the right of prayer.
But, God talking back is another thing all together!
If the answer is yes, there are no beds short or long term, but you get a stay on a guerny in a hall
for 48 hour observation. Most mental health patients know which answer to give (regardless of their reality)
depending on whether they have a safe, warm bed elsewhere.
 Wind Chimez
Joined: 11/21/2008
Msg: 118
God in a word
Posted: 11/29/2008 11:36:18 AM
An adult talking to God is like a child with an imaginary friend.. the only differnce is the age factor.
It may help some get through their life but reality has a habit of kicking in at some point.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 119
God in a word
Posted: 11/29/2008 11:54:49 AM
So, I guess talking to him is ok because the Docs are required to accept the right of prayer. But, God talking back is another thing all together!

I am very sure about that too. It may be one Thing thinking God may be talking to you while watching Tammy & Jimmy Baker extract a few more Toonies out of your Pocket, its another Thing when he commands Airliners to be flown into Buildings.
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