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 NDTfan
Joined: 6/5/2012
Msg: 126
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?Page 6 of 19    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)
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It gets worse. Even though they're outnumbered, 80 percent of men on dating sites message women just out of high school, and the older a man is, the more skewed his age criteria gets toward younger women.

No wonder so many men complain that online dating doesn't work for them. They were living in a dream world, and are crushed to find out that it's not the magic potion that will drop an 18 year old in his lap. They don't realize that the issue ISN'T with online dating, or that they're outnumbered. It's that they've limited THEMSELVES to criteria so unrealistic and unobtainable that they never had a chance to begin with.
 heybabaganoush
Joined: 7/20/2013
Msg: 127
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 1/31/2014 5:18:06 PM

Thank you very much. That made a huge difference. To not get the result 600+ I had to find smaller cities. Excluding Male seeking Male and Female seeking Female, the following is the result for within 15 miles of Hope Arkansas, ages 18-99:
Male: 257 and Female 163.

I didn't search other small cities but on that basis, on POF there are about 3 males for every 2 females.


Not in a larger city. A five mile search around my Zip Code in Vegas for just 30-31 yields 248 females and 672 males. It does go down as the age goes up. 42-45 is 312 Female/614 Male.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 128
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 1/31/2014 6:29:20 PM

Thank you very much. That made a huge difference. To not get the result 600+ I had to find smaller cities

I didn't search other small cities but on that basis, on POF there are about 3 males for every 2 females.


It depends on the age group you search for, and likely somewhat on where you search.

It's easy to search a big city if you are curious, just narrow the age range down to 1 year and the distance from the zip code to within 5 miles, you will usually get less than 600 for both genders. Age 20-20 means only people 20 years of age living within 5 miles of a zip code. It there aren't enough people, POF automatically expands the distance to like 25 miles.

The ratio is 2:1 males at the youngest age, and it steadily gets more even up to age 50. At roughly age 50 it's balanced between men and women, then past that age there are more women on this dating site than men.

I used to work in statistics, so it's pretty easy for me, though I can only access the data as a user. Normally at work I would have full access to the entire database and use SQL or SAS Institute for advanced analytics to analyze this sort of data. This kind of data is really pretty simple, SAS is overkill for the size and complexity of POF data.
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 129
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/2/2014 1:12:46 PM

Thank you very much. That made a huge difference. To not get the result 600+ I had to find smaller cities. Excluding Male seeking Male and Female seeking Female, the following is the result for within 15 miles of Hope Arkansas, ages 18-99:
Male: 257 and Female 163.

I didn't search other small cities but on that basis, on POF there are about 3 males for every 2 females.

Ahhh, not so fast! You don't want to be logged in -- you'll get LESS females popping up.

Hope Arkansas, age 25-45, 50m radius, "online today" (thin, athletic, average to make pages within 35):

Men: 649
Women: 237

2.7 Men for Every Woman in Hope, Arkansas :)
 chrisshrew
Joined: 6/13/2007
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Posted: 2/12/2014 5:35:25 AM
The 2:1 radio is seen as a quite conservative estimate by many. Don't doubt that there are more men than women on dating sites. Its easier in the real world in that its generally women who are approached so some don't bother with online.

The extremes that some people think it is thou is way over the top, I'm surprised nobody has argued that its 100:1 lol. These 5:1 or 10:1 estimates are just an excuse for why not many messages are getting replied to in my opinion. The figures just don't add up as there are many women who use dating websites and men who don't.
 abmccray
Joined: 8/3/2008
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Posted: 2/12/2014 6:23:31 AM
It's 5:1 ACTIVE men vs. women depending on site/demographic in many cases. For instance, Match's woman count is bolstered by the daily fake profiles that pop up before they are deleted later that date - you always have a number of cycling "fake" profiles per location because of the scammer-delete-new scammer profile thing that happens there every hour. When AFF was an actual "dating" site, the ratio was something like 50-1 male/female, with, often, almost every woman in areas between 20-30 being a scammer, cam service, or escort service.

25-35 is probably the most imbalanced male/female ratio on this site, and with active profiles, it is probably 2/3-1 or so with active profiles depending on area.

What skews perception, though, is if you were to control for certain aspects - ie. things like weight or number of kids (since many men search for women average or less and with 0 kids), it gets as high as 10-1 in that demographic with those controls set in. if you reverse that search (looking for guys average and "below" with no kids) and compare it to women aged 25-35, you can see those 5-1 ratios that people often proclaim in some areas (especially medium-large cities with huge income disparities).
 nyceguy85
Joined: 1/11/2013
Msg: 132
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/12/2014 9:17:21 AM
Here is how I would break POF down: The ratio for men to women on here seems to be 50:1 which is interesting because the ratio of women to single heterosexual gainfully employed men without criminal records in America is likely to be 50:1.
Because the ratio of men to women on here is so skewed, most men rarely receive an initial message from a woman, but many women will receive 5-10 messages from men per day. Must be nice to have those odds on a dating website. I think alot of women opt not to participate in online dating because they can get attention from men in a real world setting. Those who are unable to get that type of attention in a real world setting resort to online dating because on the internet they can feel like a Beyonce or Jennifer Lopez as they can pick and choose who they give their attention to.
 traveltrekker
Joined: 9/17/2013
Msg: 133
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/12/2014 8:30:26 PM

Men: 649
Women: 237

2.7 Men for Every Woman in Hope, Arkansas :)


Doesn't look like there's much hope for men in Hope.

Regardless of how much men outnumber women on dating sites, the total number is not as important as the number of high quality people, unless just anyone will do.
 EricTheBrave
Joined: 12/31/2013
Msg: 134
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/12/2014 8:46:21 PM

It's 5:1 ACTIVE men vs. women depending on site/demographic in many cases.


How do we know this?
 VolcanoKing
Joined: 8/6/2012
Msg: 135
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/12/2014 10:41:20 PM
It's interesting how ratios can work sometimes.

Clubs and such will have "ladies night" where they encourage women to show up just to get a bunch of them in, even waiving the cost of entrance so the event is not a sausage fest.

Speed dating, on the other hand, seems to be an event where there are always loads of women (especially when you're over 40) and very few men. I've noticed too, when I look at singles events around town on meetup, and note who is going, it's usually 80% women.

Guys-if you are looking for ladies, try speed dating or meet up singles events. There just aren't enough men to go around.

It's just weird how there, simultaneously, seems to be a lack of women, then suddenly too many. Or too many men, and then, not enough.
 Seki1949
Joined: 9/4/2013
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men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/12/2014 11:47:01 PM

I concur with Outmind not wanting a tee-total woman...


Non-drinker in a woman's profile is a Deal Breaker for me. I don't want a second beer on a Saturday night to be a Constitutional Crisis.
 Seki1949
Joined: 9/4/2013
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Posted: 2/12/2014 11:58:51 PM

If someone needs any kind of liquor on a daily basis to relate to someone in their personal life, they have real issues.


Exhibit A
 that_ol_lady
Joined: 4/19/2013
Msg: 138
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/13/2014 12:53:31 AM
yes its true some websites are nothing but big sausage fest on wheels...lol if more men would start hooking u wit each other there would be less complaining about not getting laid an the bitter women haters would finally be happy..
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 139
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/13/2014 1:40:13 AM

Doesn't look like there's much hope for men in Hope.

Or pretty much any other place if 2.7:1 ratio is bad. :)

Regardless of how much men outnumber women on dating sites, the total number is not as important as the number of high quality people, unless just anyone will do.

True... of course in the Hope, Arkansas assessment -- I set it to Thin, Althletic, and Average Only. That way, the # of guys would be limited to 35 pages on Advanced Search. When ya log out -- before you hit the submit button -- it will produce the real numbers. If you stay logged in, as a guy, you'll see less females show up (age range & looking-for criteria mainly) -- and you'll think there's less gals.


It's 5:1 ACTIVE men vs. women depending on site/demographic in many cases.
How do we know this?

Although I don't agree with that # being so prevalent on the main/accepted sites -- you can do sample searches and see for yourself. Different sites vary. And of course, places.

My Area: 30-40, Thin/Athletic/Average, 5 mile radius, online-today:
Guys: 534
Girls: 159

That's a 3.36:1 ratio. :) So yeah, one can check by doing Advanced search as female->male or male->female and logging out to clear filters.
 nyceguy85
Joined: 1/11/2013
Msg: 140
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/13/2014 10:11:27 AM

It's interesting how ratios can work sometimes.

Clubs and such will have "ladies night" where they encourage women to show up just to get a bunch of them in, even waiving the cost of entrance so the event is not a sausage fest.

Speed dating, on the other hand, seems to be an event where there are always loads of women (especially when you're over 40) and very few men. I've noticed too, when I look at singles events around town on meetup, and note who is going, it's usually 80% women.

Guys-if you are looking for ladies, try speed dating or meet up singles events. There just aren't enough men to go around.

It's just weird how there, simultaneously, seems to be a lack of women, then suddenly too many. Or too many men, and then, not enough.


I think one reason for that is because a majority of women prefer the traditional form of dating where the man approaches them and takes over from there. Women who frequent the clubs are typically the kind who are either dragged there by their single friends or are opportunists who enjoy not having to pay a cover charge and free drinks from guys who think they might get their real phone number in return. I kinda see the women at speed dating events as desperate and the bottom of the barrel. Nothing against those who participate in the activity, but I could not imagine an attractive well to do woman at a speed dating event. If they existed in large quantity, then speed dating events would be infiltrated with sausages.
 activemelaney
Joined: 9/8/2012
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Posted: 2/16/2014 8:40:03 AM
Latest study on BBC...53% male to 47% female on all sites, all ages. Paid sites...56% female. Even higher on EHarmony. Males out number females 61% to 39% on free sites. Males out number females until age 43 then the reverse. Males have more accounts but more females more active within 7 days. Females tend to remove accounts. Males let accounts go dormant rather than remove. A higher percent of single women have tried OLD than males but do so for shorter time than males.
 DiezelPhoenix
Joined: 5/15/2013
Msg: 142
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/17/2014 12:28:12 PM

Problem is that 98% of the men want the 1-2% of the very attractive young women that post


100% of made-up statistics are right 60% of the time and incorrect the other 76% and half of those people are undecided.
I have no idea how you get these numbers, but if this website reflects any reality, its' that the experience of men here does not reflect those numbers at all.

And I've experienced this for myself as well.
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 143
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/17/2014 4:21:27 PM

53% male to 47% female on all sites, all ages. Paid sites...56% female. Even higher on EHarmony. Males out number females 61% to 39% on free sites.

And they're probably reporting from claims by the sites themselves, which shouldn't be taken at face value.

One can do a search in a not-huge city area on Advanced search -- and log out BEFORE hitting submit (so your profile stats won't filter results either).

Thin/Athletic/Average -- search those, male vs female -- not by who have ever had an account. But who are ACTIVE within 24 hours or "Online Today". :) And do a popular-but-not-too-wide age-range, too, like 28-38, and within a certain mile radius so the # of males on Advanced Search is high for "online today" but doesn't hit the max of 35 pages.

You'll see a real comparison.
 chill78
Joined: 10/13/2013
Msg: 144
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/17/2014 9:39:22 PM

Problem is that 98% of the men want the 1-2% of the very attractive young women that post. They don't get a response so they think that men outnumber women on all dating sites. Aim to your level of attractiveness - that is the key. If you aren't that hot - don't seek out a "10."


Of course, the best looking women will get the most emails. However I think stating men rarely contact women that aren't in the top 2% in terms of looks is a myth. I have contacted women that I thought were okay ( not great ) looking because I liked their profile. I'm sure there are other men that have done the same thing.
 PlentyofThis123
Joined: 11/23/2013
Msg: 145
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/18/2014 2:16:50 AM
A good hint that the men outnumber the women here is by the fact that a woman can get tons of emails on a weekly basis, while men get a trickle of emails here and there.
 activemelaney
Joined: 9/8/2012
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Posted: 2/18/2014 7:33:54 AM
^^^plentofthis

Not really. 10% of males send out hundreds of messages to 90% of females. If she has a pulse, he emails her. I'd assume that most males are selective. Sure, I rec'd 20 messages a day for a week or so...from the same guys who messaged every other woman. Clutter that we delete.

In contrast I doubt there are many females who send out 100s of messages.

If I was a male I would not send a message right away to a new member I was interested in. I would wait a week...let the mob frenzy...then send out a unique message. It will be a welcome surprise to her.
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 147
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/18/2014 11:22:23 AM

I don't think that it matters regardless of what the ratios are.

I disagree. It matters quite a lot if the ratio is quite big.

If you can't get positive feedback in a 50/50 split then you can't get any in a 70/30 0r a 90/10 either.

Very true if you mean the 70/30 or 90/10 is the ratio against you (10% girls, 90% dudes for a guy; 10% guys, 90% gals for a girl).

Not true the other way around. If you get little positive feedback from a 50/50 split, you'll get more positive feedback in a 70/30 split that's in your favor, and even less in a 30/70 that's not in your favor.

Either people respond to you or they don't.

It's a numbers game, actually -- assuming one even has any "game" at all. You'll get more responders with an awesome ratio than with a horribly poor one. That's a given if one has any game to begin with.

I think maybe you were implying that if you have Literally ZERO dating value -- it doesn't matter what the ratio is. And to that, I agree.
 activemelaney
Joined: 9/8/2012
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Posted: 2/18/2014 1:50:58 PM
Doesn't matter if the majority cut it or not. The next woman will have different 'majority'...mix of guys in her yes or no groups. Any guy who smoked, had a photo of a vehicle, mentioned hunting was in my reject pile...another woman's pile might be guys who are bald or doesn't drink. I was happy to date a bald guy who didnt drink. I'm sure there are men who don't want to date overweight women...others are fine with it.

There are no majority groups for everyone.

At the end of the day, males and females pair off. One to one. If a guy or gal can't be in the acceptable group of a member of the opposite sex then it has nothing to do with male/female ratios. Time to take inventory of 'why'.
 or_current_resident
Joined: 6/3/2013
Msg: 149
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/18/2014 3:19:15 PM
Busting some myths about online dating…….from Twoofus.org

Millions of Americans are using online dating services. And not to just to meet people-they're marrying them too.
More then one-third of the people who married between 2005 and 2012 reported meeting their spouse online,according to a study conducted in 2012; about half of all people who met their spouse online met throughout online dating, whereas the rest met throughout online venues.
Despite the prevalence of online dating, old myths die hard…….

1.The average top 10 dating sites,the male-female ratio is close to 50-50.

2. There's no one my age online.

The average age of online daters varies by site,although it probably skews younger. That said,seniors represent a growing share of the market. Again, certain sites appeal to different demographics,including age groups. Explore them.

3. No one is responding,so why bother?
Dating isn't a numbers game. Don't obsess about how many "winks" "nudges"or emails you get. In fact, having too many options can back fire. You many become so overwhelmed by the possibilities that you never settle on a reality.
And don't be discouraged if you aren't flooded with emails. If your looking for a serious relationship, you only need to find one person you click with.

4. Everyone lies online. Ok, this myth is more or less true. like 80% on their age,height or weight……
Admittedly,,some lie more about crucial matters, such as martial status. Also not profile pic, only call late night……etc.
Let's face it, though: Lying isn't limited to the Internet.

4. It's all talk, no action.

imo, after a few exchanges, let the other person know you'll like to meet. If he or she puts you off, move 0n.
 the_biggavell
Joined: 7/9/2012
Msg: 150
men outnumber women on dating sites Fact? or Myth?
Posted: 2/18/2014 3:40:10 PM
1).yes there are more men than women on dating sites. This one in particular? Not sure, but others i know for a fact there are, thats why they dont work.
Why? Because its a numbers game for us.
We have to GET you; even if that means going across many sites, we gotta get many of you, and when we have had our fill, choose one woman that will look out for us.

Women on the other hand may choose to come on here, and throw up a photo but never really be on here. Most dont even have the skill to GET a guy they really want on here, so they are really just waiting for someone to message them that piques their interest. There are also many women that choose not to go on here for a wide range of reasons, ie: stigmas, security reasons, social status etc.
If a man is choosing not to go on here, its more or less an ego thing or he doesnt need it.

2) i think i might have answered it along the way... but long story short..

Women are just goofy like that lol.

All kinds of excuses not to go online, mostly have to do with ego or fear of something. If they found the courage to go on, they come to the brick wall of having to figure out what they want, and some just dont want to do that....they want the 'lottery ticket' man to just come to them with no energy or work involved.


I do believe that online is more in favor for women because they have a great deal more control in their encounters with men.. but i guess thats not whats in question.
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