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 JIMMY927
Joined: 7/30/2006
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Age didn't do that to you, your lifestyle did. Stop making excuses for not taking care of your body and most of all, and stop speaking in terms of "we" as if you speak for all men who are 45+.
I can't aggree anymore than that...
 southernlass
Joined: 5/2/2006
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Can a Man of plus 45 hope to still woo a woo-man without the tools of his younger counterpart?
Posted: 1/5/2009 6:33:48 AM
There is a market for every age, every income bracket, and most appearances. One merely has to tap into it and have high self esteem and basic confidence. One is lovely and desirable if they believe they are -- they can be seventy and this be the case. They'll have the other seventy-somethings on the run after them too!

Believe in yourself and your dreams will come true.
 catkin2007
Joined: 12/18/2007
Msg: 28
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Posted: 1/5/2009 12:56:44 PM
Probably because those very men won't date anyone their age and/or they can't date anyone over 35. I guess its that old double standard thing here.
 Gizmozdaddy
Joined: 4/4/2008
Msg: 29
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Posted: 1/5/2009 4:29:21 PM
I end my thoughts on this topic....here. It's not enough that people come to this place with well intentioned fore-thought. It's not enough that one seeks to improve himself by gaining perspective, and it's not enough that despite, what, four attempts now to explain my approach to this thread....there are still people who seem comfortable taking pot shot's. I've made it crystal clear that never in any one of the the posts was youth, degree of"hotness," nor beauty as the world itself beholds it, at the root of my question. I spoke to a specific demographic of women who themselves come to these forums with the questions, "..where have all the good guys gone..." and besought THAT group of women....each one of them who I referred to as the "lovely and desireable" ladies among us, and asked them to remember that their dream guys is not necessarily in the person of that youthful guy with six packed abs, guns and buns of steel who had shown them already that they'd simply use them, if given the chance.

I expect that nothing I say at this point would go to the issue that the "snipers" amongs us seem to have nothing else to do with but, remain counter productive to this thread. So, they find a couple of words in the original post which taken out of context, provide them with ammo to delight themselves with. I explained this more than once in follow up posts, but, since it seems that SOME of you don't have the time to really understand the question, or, to see subsequent posts offered by this "OP" then, you'd never be able to actually help me, or by default, any human being who has had the life I've had in search of the love we are each all hopeful of knowing.

There's no possible way that in three or four paragraphs (two too many for this forum) that I could ever describe how my life put me here, or, how it is that I continue to want to grow as a man. So, I expect this question for me can not be answered. Not here, not to the degree I'd hoped. There's no particular thing I could have done differently which would have prevented the more than 40 surgical interventions I've endured. The Steroids would have still been used...the legs rendered useless! The spine a collection of screws, plates, cement and cadavar implants. No particular one thing I could have done would impact the loving union which lasts the tests of time, or my own shortcomings. No one thing other than choosing not to have had the past I chose....the athletic's, the career nor the naive nature which I possess.

If it helps any one of you to sit back in anonymity and take pot shot's at human beings trying to collectively improve their odd's and understanding of those who represent the opposite sex....if it somehow gives you some kind of pleasure to think me, or those like me, and, this question to be the farse some of you have made it, then, so be it. I move on and nothing you've said, or not said...will change a thing about the outcome of my life. We matter no more to one another than, any other im-perfect stranger, on the street! Shame, really!

To the others who approached this topic with care, and even with brutal honesty about the human condition, I thank you. For, I never needed anyone to make me feel better. Wasn't hoping for a pitty party, nor was it necessary for anyone to believe I'd had any more of a challenge, than the next guy put in a future of physical challenge and pain. I don't contend that I've had it worse. For, "...poor me, I have no shoes! Poor him, he has no feet!" So, thanks to those of you who in your own way, really tried to help shed some light here. Perhaps....as already stated, I am simply one of those destined to live with the physical challenges, and, with the limits thereby placed on my heart to be loved by someone who could see through to the heart of me, regardless the flawed and broken condition of the instrument. This is indeed likely to be something which remains inherently broken within me, forever?
 catkin2007
Joined: 12/18/2007
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Posted: 1/6/2009 7:10:03 AM
GizmoDaddy... I just read my response again because of what you wrote above, and I don't see anywhere that I took a pop shot. In fact, I thought it was pretty nice and truthful....
 arwen52
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Posted: 1/6/2009 11:08:33 AM
There are plenty of women in your age range who are in similar situations. Shouldn't be *that* hard to find unless you are passing them over, too. Attitude is the most important factor. If you are fun & interesting, people want to know you and be around you. Whether you find "The One" or not, make yourself and your life interesting and you'll have plenty of fun along the way.
 Brownlady1953
Joined: 12/12/2008
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Posted: 1/6/2009 6:30:06 PM
"I don't have to do anything but die and pay taxes".....

Well said, Cindy O!, Well said!
 Sapphireeyes
Joined: 1/13/2008
Msg: 33
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Posted: 1/7/2009 11:10:38 PM

I think men have a bigger "issue" with this then women. I, personally, would have NO issue being involved with a man who is overweight or has medical problems. I certainly aint no Playboy bunny or in marathon-runner shape. But I have found that men in their late 40's and early to mid 50's who I have gotten to know (for only a short time, because they blew it), are still as superficial as the ones I know in their 20's and 30's and are just interested in looks and sex, and not knowing a person for who they are, what makes them tick, what their life goals and dreams are..they are not looking for their soulmate or someone to grow old with. They ain't lookin' for Mrs. Right, they are looking for Ms. Right Now


I have found a good number of men who would never fit into this category...some may...a few might, but I think most men who are over 45 want the same things most women want...just to find a member of the opposite sex who *fits...who has the same goals and dreams...

I have found that alot of women are sooooooo hard on themselves and dont accept who they are...they keep trying to update thier looks to be someone they arent to compete with younger women without realizing they dont have to...neither does an older man...

Seriously if you cant see the value in older men and women...what seasoned with age really means...(granted some men and women have not realized their real maturity yet and might never do so). I know at 20 simple mistakes would have set me off, so no matter how much of a knock out I was, you had to put up with a ton of shit just to be near me. Now when something bad happens Im the first to laugh about it...mellowing with age is something that is priceless...now is OUR time....I just dont see why so many older people dont get this...we know who we are, what we stand for, our limits, what we want and how to achieve it...gosh life is good...need to stop whining about the aches and pains and concentrate on living ..go have fun yall!
 strawberi50
Joined: 6/18/2008
Msg: 34
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Posted: 1/8/2009 4:45:22 AM
I think any man of any age can woo a woman. You did note that I said woman...I guess it would be dependent on the type of woman you want to woo. Let's see, there are freshly cultivated type from the top of the tree, ( those are sometimes hard to reach), those in the middle of the tree, (been around a little longer and can be picked if you reach a little bit), those on the bottom branches (ripe and ready to be carried away) and those on the ground...(a little rotten but make great applesauce)...Mmm...Let's see, some women are too young, some are reachable but may take a little work, some may be ready for a relationship and some may need to be picked up and reworked but still delicious. Now then....what kind of fruit are you, that is the question?
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 35
Can a Man of plus 45 hope to still woo a woo-man without the tools of his younger counterpart?
Posted: 1/10/2009 8:48:03 AM

I call bull. Something like sexual dysfunction certainly CANNOT be discussed "upfront"... Especially with people in a community such as this - where sometimes gossip flies with great animosity, people absolutely should protect themselves from the malicious motormouths that are abundant on this site and on these forums. ANY issue that needs to be "discussed" between prospective sexual partners can absolutely wait until there is some clear anticipation of sex.

I was inclined to respond to THIS portion of CleverCoot's post by saying;
Of course people should NOT be discussing their sexual performance issues in early emails, phone calls, text mesgs, smoke signals, whatever. I personally do not believe it is incumbent upon anyone to reveal their medical history in their profile. If you require a significant assistive device for mobility, your service animal must go everywhere with you, ( or your oxygen tank) that should be brought up quite quickly before making the effort for a real life meeting. Whether or not you make that abundantly clear is your profile is a judgement call.
But then CleverCoot went on to say;

If you (nobody in particular) have deal breakers that include sexual performance or ability to perform certain sexual functions, I believe it is incumbent upon you to state that on your profile.

On your PROFILE?? REALLY???
First you say that an online dating "community" is NOT the place to disclose/discuss your personal sexual performance issues. Then you say that any significant dealbreakers regarding sexual performance SHOULD BE stated in your profile? Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
If by chance what you MEANT was, "anyone who HAS AN ISSUE with a partners' sexual dysfunction should say so in their profile, I still cannot agree. Any sexual performance issues are something that gets discussed PRIVATELY between the 2 people involved. If you think that we women should make a black letter statement "ED sufferers need not apply", what ELSE should we stipulate? Length and girth? How long you can go?
Trust me, I think we women have enough problems with men who come out with sexual discussion in the 2nd email, because they want to make sure that they aren't gonna get involved with a woman who doesn't like sex/uses sex as a means of control. Are you advocating that women who have the misfortune to dislike sex should put that in their profile so the ED guys can find them?
How completely and utterly ridiculous.
Cindy O
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 1/10/2009 9:34:41 AM

That's not only what I meant to say, it's what I said (i.e. the word "deal breakers" means this... ).

Well, it could be interpreted that the person POSSESSES the "deal breaker" issue, be it ED or whatever else. A better way to have phrased your comment would be " If you REGARD sexual performance issues as a 'deal breaker', put that in your profile."
Having said that, I feel it necessary to point out that in the over 45 age group, it may not BE that "black and white" .
And sometimes it's not the ED itself, it's the guy who hasn't come to terms with it.
Anyway, I don't recall ED being something outlined in the OT. I interpreted it as the OP having arthritis and a bum leg, and NO, not a bum middle leg.
Cindy O
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 1/10/2009 10:58:55 AM

Don't want to seem shallow?


Hmmm, so a woman with a healthy libido is now "shallow?" Interesting.

What makes sense to me is that 2 people meet, see if there is that elemental chemistry( which is NOT just all about physical attraction and sex) that causes them to prefer being in one another's company whether it's dinner in a 5 star restaurant or whitewashing the chicken coop.
When that connection exists, you'd be absolutely AMAZED at what other "requirements" become negotiable or that the 2 people can find ways to work around.
Again, I do not think the OP was speaking of ED. I think he was talking about high energy level, endurance for physical activities like dancing the night away, the body of a male underwear model,etc. He seems to have trouble understanding why women who frequently complain about the short supply of "good men" are not trampling one another to get with him. But if he's like rooted to the couch, if every other sentence out of his mouth is " I can't" , if he lacks a stable income, if he uses his medical issues as an excuse to ignore decent hygiene, the fact that he doesn't beat women or cheat on them or just use them for sex doesn't necessarily make him a "great guy".
Cindy O
 JIMMY927
Joined: 7/30/2006
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Posted: 1/11/2009 3:03:17 PM
Absolutely! That's a wonderful idea. Why doesn't that make sense to you? Why the game-playing. BE HONEST... state what you want... and don't pretend you want something you don't. We would save a TON of time here if people were HONEST about what they are looking for.

LOOKING FOR A HOT- LARGE-BRESTED- PINUP TYPE MOMMA ,WITH ALZHEIMER'S
 wolf_woman
Joined: 10/27/2008
Msg: 39
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Posted: 1/11/2009 3:43:35 PM
We over 45 gals ain't what we used to be either. Some of us never were. I learned to just accept the fact that I was never what was passed off as beauty. I was never meant to be thin and blond. Getting older just meant the rest of the world was becoming more like me, looks wise and physically. I for one don't want to be out running marathons. I'd rather just take a walk around my 'hood but then I live in the country. Sex is nice and we all wish we got more I'm sure. But companionship is every as desirable. There comes a point whe you just have to say I can't do that anymore but I can still do this.
 Gizmozdaddy
Joined: 4/4/2008
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Posted: 1/12/2009 5:14:03 PM
Great on-going feedback from you all! I didn't consider for a moment that so many different perspectives could exist with regard to this rather subjective view point I considered.

Many questions have spun off the original topic, and I enjoy seeing you all work through the issues which confront us all as people searching for the love we deserve in life. You've each opened my eyes to something tangible about my own experience as an aging but still vital, human being! And, while some of the responses thus far have been less than helpful, the largest quantity, by far, have been honest and well intended. I appreciate the chatter and help offered by all!
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
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Posted: 1/13/2009 10:06:25 PM
From the BeeGees:

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin alive, stayin alive.
Feel the city breakin and everybody shakin,
And were stayin alive, stayin alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin alive, stayin alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin alive.


From me:
If you're still in the game...
You still got game.

Can't hobble up to dunk like you used to?
Go for the three pointer from where you're at.

Hope this helps.
 Jumbie564
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Posted: 1/14/2009 6:20:36 AM

At 51, I am so much a better person than my younger counterpart. Okay, maybe “better” isn’t the correct word? I was who I was at those previous points in time – impetuous, arrogant, foolhardy, etc, etc. And, of course, the physical attributes were doing better… leaner, stronger, faster, more agile, quick recovery from a myriad of athletic and medical ouchies… did I mention more hair?? But that’s what you expect from a vigorous, healthy youth! Growing older, hopefully we gain wisdom, grace, sophistication, understanding, tolerance, and the realization that we can truly offer more than before. Okay, so maybe we can’t assume some of those intricate sexual positions that once thrilled our partner… or if we tried to swing from the chandelier it would come crashing down… and maybe having wild monkey sex/going at it for.


You start off fine by writing in the first person form, but then commit the worst of all faux pas by switching to the third person.

You don't speak for all men who are 45+. At the very least, you certainly don't speak for me. There is nothing I can't do now that I could do in my 20's - except to do it better.
 smhrgs3000
Joined: 7/7/2008
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Posted: 1/14/2009 1:18:11 PM
OMG, of course we can . What we lack in endurance & virility, we make up for in guile and cunning,....gless, plus years of some serious know how when it comes to touching, climax techniques, erogenous zones, romance, and foreplay. Besides, you ladies have the incredibly unfair advantage of being able to climax over, n over, n over, while we have to ration our "vintage bullets". But as we get older, we learn to use that to our advantage, dam the good luck, hehehe. And those weekend getaways to viagra falls don't hurt a bit either, hehehe.
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
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Posted: 1/15/2009 10:23:37 PM
Jumbie has the right attitude.
At about 39 heading into divorce land I took a long hard look at myself.
Was getting alittle pudge. No stamina.
Figured I'd work on that and took up running.
First few weeks couldn't run 20 feet without gasping for air.
Took 6 months for me to go a mile nonstop.
And it was a slooooow none too graceful mile.
Ran at night in a park so neighbors wouldn't laugh at me.
After two years I could go three miles non-stop.
Bout killed me but I could.
Started working out also.

I can now outrun my twenty something sons.
Faster and farther. Ticks em off plenty.
LOL
I can run 3 miles like nuthin now.

We do grow old. But it's a myth that we have to go to hell.
I mean some people do get struck down by illness, arthritis, or something.
That's unavoidable and bad luck if it happens.
But if your health is good you can stay strong way off into old age.
I remember Jack LaLane doing pushups on TV in the 60's.
He was forty then. He could still drop and do a hundred well into his eighties.
Still much buffer than most as well.

If we take care of ourselves we can make those three pointers from anywhere
on the court. One handed if need be. Dunk it too.

May take a few years if you wish to get started down that road.
sounds long. But the time will pass anyway.
Make it your ally instead of time wasted.
 Jumbie564
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Posted: 1/16/2009 7:47:12 AM

I'm being selfish I know, but I want her to outlive ME!
There's nothing selfish about wanting a partner that matches your health and activity level.

A word about osteoarthritis, chronic tendinitis, achy joints, etc... These aren't symptoms of aging, they're symptoms of abuse and neglect. When muscles atrophy around joints, a greater load is applied to bones, tendons, and cartilage. Eventually these areas become damaged, resulting in pain. Pain then becomes the reason (or excuse) not to engage in exercise and the condition feeds on itself and increasingly becomes worse.

Three words: SUCK IT UP. Take a pain killer, whatever, but start exercising and building those muscles around the joints. What exactly is "chronic" tendinitis? By definition, tendinitis occurs when you tear the tendon away from the bone. So do you mean to tell me that "chronic" means I'm always tearing the tendons away from the bone? Of course not, "chronic" has come to mean continuous pain in the area. The initial pain suffered from a case of tendinitis is from the injury itself. Pain prevents us from using the joint, which is a good thing so that the tendon has a chance to heal. But after the healing period has taken place - usually in about 6 weeks - scar tissue may continue to form in the affected area and now this becomes the source of the pain. How do you prevent this scar tissue from over-forming? Exercise. How do you break down scar tissue if you let it get to the point of over-forming? Exercise. Yes, it will be painful at first. Again, SUCK IT UP.

What's the best way to alleviate osteoarthritis? DIET and EXERCISE! What's the best way to compensate for pain caused by deteriorating cartilage around joints? EXERCISE!

A couple of years ago I had an MRI done on my back after injuring it doing squats (caused by bad form on the exercise). The pain was in my lower back and by the time I got the results of the MRI a few days later the pain had greatly subsided and after 2 weeks I resumed doing squats (paying much closer attention to correct form). In any event, when I spoke with my primary care physician about the MRI results he asked me if I had an chronic pain in my back - especially the upper area between my shoulder blades. I told him no, never. He then told me that the MRI results showed moderate arthritis in my spinal area. On one hand I wish he had never said anything. On the other hand I can only attribute the lack of pain to the fact that I lift weights to strengthen my upper and lower back.

Three years ago my right knee became inflamed after participating in a road race that entailed downhill running. The orthopedic doctor examined me and asked me how long ago I had torn my ACL. News to me. I had to think back some 35 years when I severely injured my knee playing basketball. At the time I was a kid living in the Virgin Islands and there were no medical facilities to properly diagnose the injury. An MRI was ordered which confirmed the ACL tear plus significant loss of cartilage. The ortho's recommendation? Stop running downhill. Other than that, he said to continue to maintain muscle strength and even suggested I start doing dead lifts to improve hamstring development. The bottom line is, despite having no ACL and virtually no cartilage in the knee, I experience very little pain in the knee. Why? EXERCISE!

SUCK IT UP men. Pain is no excuse. Exercise increases testosterone and maintaining testosterone levels helps prevent aging. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/19/health/19aging.html In addition, you'll find that exercise will alleviate the pain that people mistakenly attribute to the inevitable effects of aging. It's not aging, it's neglect.
 Chibob
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Posted: 1/17/2009 10:38:13 PM
Everybody just needs to aim lower. If you think your an "8", shoot for a "5" because you are probably a "6". A 45 year old guy is not going to have any success with a 35 year old woman, because a whole slew of 25 year old guys will say anything to get laid and the 35 year olds will believe them.
 BuffyfromSunnyvale
Joined: 1/14/2009
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Posted: 1/19/2009 10:10:25 PM
There is a really funny country song with lyrics "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was....." All us babyboomers are getting older, but 50 seems to be the new 40. If we don't use it we will lose it. Let's all stay fit, leave the cigarettes alone, and take reasonably good care of ourselves. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but ugly goes straight to the bone-just kidding, thru that in to see if you were paying attention. There is good treatment for anyone with ED, and love and affection have brought out the best in many.
 Jumbie564
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Posted: 1/24/2009 5:49:46 AM

I think that those of us who have been fortunate enough to remain in good health, keep our bodies fit, are energetic and still active, no matter what age, usually look for someone who is likewise. Being fit and in shape, healthwise, takes work. The older we get, the more effort we put into it. We don't do all that, only to settle for someone who is not on the same page.


I wish I could come up with a more emphatic response but for now, BINGO will have to do.

I'm getting just a little tired of men and women complaining about others having unrealistic expectations about what they seek in a partner and then follow it up with some Hallmark phrases about looking past the physical in favor of peering deep into a person's soul, capacity to love, blah, blah, blah...

Listen, it's called "leagues". If you want to play in a certain league then you need to work to belong to it. Stop pointing fingers and accept that you, along with EVERYONE else, looks for certain characteristics and won't accept less for yourself. Rather than piss and moan about what others are seeking, try working on yourself if you feel you are being by-passed by people you are attracted to.

The fact is, if people spend time working on their bodies, minds, and souls, they want to be rewarded - and they should be. That reward includes finding someone who shares the same commitments.
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 1/24/2009 11:08:41 PM
Perhaps instead of worrying about whether or not you fit in with someone else look for those who fit in with you instead. After all, there are those who will be more to your liking and those who will be less to your liking. It is probably not so much a point of open discussion but more a point of quiet reflection and contemplation. There are those that do not mind a person who has physical problems as they recognize that they too have them or could very well get them at some point in time. There are those who will always believe that they are better than that and no matter how much you think you want them they will be too emotionally unavailable for you to obtain. There are so many variables to people in general that make us choose them or not choose them. Things such as compassion, empathy, understanding, intelligence, humor, dedication, passions, drive, motivation, and so much more that you have to weigh in when deciding what you can live with or not live with. People often see a different type of person with any of those qualities. While 0ne person might see motivation as someone determined to continue to live through grave obstacles another person might see motivation as someone who runs and works out everyday. One person might see intelligence as someone who knows when to give up and another person might see intelligence as someone with the forethought to not accept the status quo as being the only way to believe. We all see people in different manners and we all have our own preferences as to what is right for us and what is not. It is when we continue to look to those that are not what we want or what is not good for us that we continue to be disappointed.
 ohthereugo
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Posted: 1/25/2009 4:35:48 AM
Can a Man of plus 45 hope to still woo a woo-man without the tools of his younger counterpart?

Piece of piss mate .
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