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 msquared
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Using her as whitewash to gloss over these disturbing trends over & over is dismissal, denial, deflection, & now supression.


These disturbing trends are equally as present in two-parent families. Blaming it on single mothers is the whitewash.
 TimPommell
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Posted: 1/31/2009 9:00:22 PM

These disturbing trends are equally as present in two-parent families. Blaming it on single mothers is the whitewash.

Personally I think the disturbing trend is the attempt to discredit anything someone says simply because they're not of a preapproved set of political convictions. Facts and statistics don't lie. Because Coulter used them for justification of her position doesn't mean she misrepresented them, and simply because we know children of two parent families that ended up with the same issues, doesn't mean she's wrong, but likely that the child was a product of a "different" yet similar dysfunctional family environment.
The truly disturbing trend is in the dismissal of the message based on the perception of the messenger without any regard for the actual message itself....
 MacKevinized
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Posted: 2/1/2009 7:10:15 AM
Her overly ectomorphic frame matches her cerebrotonic attitude of looking down on those she doesn't approve of.
I would suggest she seeks a doctor about anorexia or some other illness that is eating away at her. However, I think like most anorexics, she thinks it's everyone else in the world thats wrong and thinks she's in perfect health and has to maintain her mean, stubborn appearance to shield the insignificant feelings that drive her to hold outrageous positions.

She needs a sandwich!
 TimPommell
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Posted: 2/1/2009 7:52:03 AM
Attacking her physical appearance? So if she were say, Jessica Simpson-esque then her message would be more palatable, or would you advise her to put down the sandwich?

It’s still the same tired partisan schpill, attack the messenger by any means necessary; character, physical appearance, anything at all to divert attention from the actual message for which no reasonable defense can be offered…
 msquared
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Posted: 2/1/2009 8:07:43 AM

The truly disturbing trend is in the dismissal of the message based on the perception of the messenger without any regard for the actual message itself....


The message is that single mothers are to blame for society's ills. The message is wrong, and thus, is deserving of dismissal.
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
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Posted: 2/1/2009 9:30:33 AM

Facts and statistics don't lie.

Really, statistics don't lie. Let's go to the textbook for this one.


You have probably heard the old saying that there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. This saying is attributable to Benjamin Disraeli and is over a century old. It has also been said that "figures don't lie: liars figure." Both of these statements refer to the abuses of statistics in which data are presented in ways that are misleading. Many abusers of statistics are simply ignorant or careless, while others have an objective to mislead the reader by emphasizing data that support their position while leaving out data that may be detrimental to their position. One of our major goals in this text is to make you a more critical consumer of information. When you see charts or data in a newspaper, in a magazine, or on TV, always ask yourself: What is the person trying to tell me? Does that person have an agenda? Following are several examples of the abuses of statistical analysis.
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There are many other ways that statistical information can be deceiving. Entire books have been written about the subject. The most famous of these is "How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff. Understanding these practices will make you a better consumer of statistical information and help you defend yourself against those who might wish to mislead.

Basic Statistics For Business and Economics, Second Canadian Edition; Lind, Marchal, Wathen, Waite; McGraw-Hill Ryerson; Chapter 1, Subheading: Uses and Abuses of Statistics, p.12 - 14.

And as I mentioned before, this textbook has a picture of the shell game on the front. Here's what they say on the back cover about the shell game.

The shell game uses chance and probability to trick you. Statistics can similarly be misused and misrepresented, especially in business.


If any one has actual data that can back up Ann's rediculous analysis of the statistics, I am more then willing to look at the data. And if it stacks up I will gladly admit it. But right now we have some very flawed analysis of data.

P.S. I love how most of the people who are argueing that Ann is right, completely ignore my posts, since they do not have the ability to argue statistical analysis, and want to continue the lie that takes attention away from the real problems, like poverty and corruption.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 2/1/2009 9:53:53 AM
Yeah, I'd 'suggest' absentee fathers bear 50% of the problem.

Ann Coulter--again--is in the business of entertainment. She is not a sociologist--I'm not even sure she has a soul--she is not an expert in the field of the socio-economic struggles of single mothers.
She is, however, an expert in the field of inciting readers and listeners to a passionate level of, "See?! I told you they were out to get me!" paranoia. Those self-satisfied finger-pointers who make outrageous declarations regarding certain populations of our citizenry without proof.
 MacKevinized
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Posted: 2/1/2009 10:19:13 AM

Attacking her physical appearance? So if she were say, Jessica Simpson-esque then her message would be more palatable, or would you advise her to put down the sandwich?

It’s still the same tired partisan schpill, attack the messenger by any means necessary; character, physical appearance, anything at all to divert attention from the actual message for which no reasonable defense can be offered…


I'm sure there's many that like to see her emaciated appearance but my point was that the woman needs medical attention both physical and mental.

Funny how the paranoid can perceive that as an attack.

Her blaming single moms for society's ills is just as stupid as blaming society for creating single moms' ills.
 TimPommell
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Posted: 2/2/2009 7:53:35 AM

Funny how the paranoid can perceive that as an attack.

Lets see... in the past two posts, you've insulted her appearance 4 times and insisted she required medical attention for your diagnosis ... I believe you prescribed a sandwich... must be that holistic medicine I've heard so much about.

She needs a sandwich!

You’ve attacked her personal appearance and basically declared mental instability as a result of your diagnosis … In neither post did you address the issue, only your opinion of her appearance.


Her overly ectomorphic frame matches her cerebrotonic attitude of looking down on those she doesn't approve of.

If one considers that an insult it's an indication of their own paranoia?

I would suggest she seeks a doctor about anorexia or some other illness that is eating away at her.
She doesn't need to see a Doctor, you've already diagnosed her illness...

However, I think like most anorexics,
she thinks it's everyone else in the world thats wrong and thinks she's in perfect health and has to maintain her mean, stubborn appearance to shield the insignificant feelings that drive her to hold outrageous positions.
Physician! Heal thyself!
If I was one to take things out of context, I could show that to be a text book example of paranoia. Fortunately I'm not, nor am I a Doctor, so you'll have to perform a self diagnosis, hopefully you'll prescribe yourself something from at least one of your favorite food groups.

The assertion that children with these issues are limited to single parent homes is NOT what she said, she is merely saying statistically the issues are significantly increased in children of single mothers, and that the moral lapse in society and the absence of promoting the nuclear family concept is to blame for the dramatic increase in the ratio of single mothers. It’s not a shell game, it’s merely connecting the dots. If you want to decrease the number of children with criminal tendencies, then treat the cause, not the symptoms. Selecting the demographic with the highest rate of offense and focusing attention on them seems like common sense to me, but then again I’ve always thought doing things to keep your children out of jail and off of drugs was far cheaper than bailing them out of jail and paying for drug rehab … maybe I need a sandwich too….
 MacKevinized
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Posted: 2/3/2009 8:38:12 AM

So Charles, this Ann Coulter carries with her a history of callous flaming of stereotypes?


http://www.anncoulter.com/

Check it out and you can see this woman's diatribes against 'liberals' in her book section.
Rush loves her and would only need 1/2 of one of his viagra pills to pop a woody for her, they speak in the same style.


For what purpose does she do this? ~ to what end? and to who does it ultimately serve?


To sell books to the right wingers that need fodder for their own diatribes.
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 2/3/2009 2:17:58 PM

To sell books to the right wingers that need fodder for their own diatribes.


Yeah? I don't think it's right wingers alone putting her on top of the all the bestseller lists. There must be at least some lefties buying her stuff. If only to sit around and disect it and whine about how wrong she is, how anoexic she looks, and if she's trangendered or not.
 AlwaysSmiling401
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Posted: 2/3/2009 3:31:58 PM
Anne Coulter is a blubbering vagina.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 2/4/2009 1:59:28 AM
Yeah, I'd 'suggest' absentee fathers bear 50% of the problem.


I agree. They did a study a couple years ago on lions to see how the cubs would react to the absence of their father. When they took a lion out of its pride for a week the cubs started acting up. It was not until the lion was put back into its pride again that the cubs stopped acting up.
 MacKevinized
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Posted: 2/4/2009 9:05:42 AM
So this Ann Coulter can tell me? hmm? one smart chick, she married?


Nope, never was she's been engaged a few times but guys can't take it after a while and take off (another thing that happens to anorexics)

She was even engaged to a democrat, probably after not being able to find a republican to date. Maybe that's why she wrote the book "How to talk to a liberal, if you have to"
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 2/4/2009 6:28:38 PM

In this Area of Africa , ~ restricted and control area. ~ Seem that some young bull elephants were killing Hippo's for sport. ~~ the area being void of old Tuskers, they imported a few old bull tusker's and set them loose to keep the young males in line,


Yeah I saw that one too not too long ago on Animal Planet. I forgot what the show was called, but it was really interesting and just goes to show you how a father figure plays a big role in a child’s behavior and development.
 geeleebee
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Posted: 2/4/2009 9:29:47 PM
How do you figure the problems are to a lesser degree in two-parent families? On what do you base that assertion?
My children were raised in a two-parent home, and we were not without our share of major issues.
Having two parents in the home does not guarantee children any advantage over a single-parent household.
 geeleebee
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Posted: 2/6/2009 7:44:46 PM

You had more than one to go through "issues" with. You were not alone. 2 are more than one. When I had a problem with Dad I still had Mom and visa versa but I had a lot of friends who only had one parent. They got jipped. They would tell you theirself I'm sure esp if you are in law enforcement or part of the jury.
AC's stats are right my stats are right my view of children in brooken homes does not make me upset with the mom she is doing the right thing taking care of her child unless she is one of the sick women who use the kid I once got mad at the man thinking how could he not be there for his kid until I came to understand dad's rights laws are not on the book in a lot of states so some men have no choice. If a child has a network of people it has a better chance at living a productive life.


Wrong.
The ex-husband was part of the problem. He didn't want to discipline our children--he wanted to be their 'friend'. I was very much alone when it came to rules and consistency. They had a playmate, but not a father.
I reiterate, having two parents in the home does not guarantee the children will be raised in a healthy environment.
 Super Ryan
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Posted: 2/6/2009 7:53:04 PM

AC's stats are right my stats are right

Can you please post your stats, since I have already proven Ann's stats are crap.
 427cammer
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Posted: 2/7/2009 12:27:10 AM

Can you please post your stats, since I have already proven Ann's stats are crap.

No.... at the very most you have shown that there is a possibility her stats are crap. I agree with you, sometimes statistics are misleading. Maybe in this case the statistics that you have reffered to (the ones saying that the crime rate is going down while the rate of single mothers are going up) are the ones that are misleading. There are countless reasons why it may appear the crime rate is dropping (ie: soft on crime judges, smarter criminals, indifferent police or prosecutors... etc.)

I happen to think that the proliferation of single parent households is by nature leading to more children being raised in poverty. Even if there were no such thing as deadbeat dads (in dreamland), single mothers are still going to have more struggles financially. And so will the men paying child support. What arguments have you shown where poverty is the cause of single parenthood instead of the other way around?
 MacKevinized
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Posted: 2/7/2009 5:38:22 AM
In September 2002, Washington Post columnist Lloyd Grove wrote a column titled, "Mystery of the Ages", raising questions about Coulter's actual date of birth.[73] At the time, Coulter was insisting that she was not yet 40, despite media reports to the contrary. Attempting to resolve the discrepancy, Grove noted that Coulter had given her date of birth as December 8, 1961 when she first registered to vote in 1980 (the year of the Reagan-vs-Carter presidential election), in New Canaan, Connecticut, where the legal voting age is 18. He said that Coulter's Connecticut driver's license also listed her birth date as December 1961, but pointed out that a driver's license issued to her years later in Washington, D.C., gave her date of birth as December 1963.
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 2/7/2009 6:33:27 PM
Dance..."this Ann Coulter carries with her a history of callous flaming of stereotypes?

For what purpose does she do this? ~ to what end? and to who does it ultimately serve? "

Some have said it often ..... 6 pages of replies to this topic make and confirm the post ... entertainment and notariety. Nothing quite like ruffling feathers.

I stopped watching the thread but I just had to come back cause I really could not figure out what was left to say ..... I have discovered ... nothing... just repeating over and over now.
 faith2565
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Posted: 3/10/2009 8:13:44 PM
They are saying Ann is another leader of the Republican Party.
 HalftimeDad
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Msg: 98
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Posted: 3/10/2009 9:06:44 PM
This is from Meghan McCain (excerpted from the Daily Beast)


It is no secret that being a Republican isn’t the most hip political stance a person can take right now. President Obama has successfully established himself as the hippest politician around. You know you’re big when Katy Perry wears a dress with your face on it to host the MTV Europe Music Awards. To my fellow Republicans: I’m sorry, I wish I could be more positive about the current “hipness” of our party. But being a Republican is about as edgy as Donny Osmond. Granted, being “hip” is not a reason to join a political party, or a reason to agree with its ideals. But it is a way to get the attention of a generation—or, more specifically, my generation.

To make matters worse, certain individuals continue to perpetuate negative stereotypes about Republicans. Especially Republican women. Who do I feel is the biggest culprit? Ann Coulter. I straight up don’t understand this woman or her popularity. I find her offensive, radical, insulting, and confusing all at the same time. But no matter how much you or I disagree with her, the cult that follows Coulter cannot be denied. She is a New York Times best-selling author and one of the most notable female members of the Republican Party. She was one of the headliners at the recent CPAC conference (but when your competition is a teenager who has a dream about the Republican Party and Stephen Baldwin, it’s not really saying that much).

Coulter could be the poster woman for the most extreme side of the Republican Party. And in some ways I could be the poster woman for the opposite. I consider myself a progressive Republican, but here is what I don’t get about Coulter: Is she for real or not? Are some of her statements just gimmicks to gain publicity for her books or does she actually believe the things she says? Does she really believe all Jewish people should be “perfected” and become Christians? And what was she thinking when she said Hillary Clinton was more conservative than my father during the last election? If you truly have the GOP’s best interests at heart, how can you possibly justify telling an audience of millions that a Democrat would be a better leader than the Republican presidential candidate? (I asked Ann for comment on this column, including many of the above questions, but she did not answer my request.)

I am not suggesting that extreme conservatism wasn’t once popular, nor am I suggesting I should in any way be any kind of voice for the party. I have been a Republican for less than a year. Still, even after losing the election, I find myself more drawn to GOP ideals and wanting to fight for the party’s resurgence. And if figureheads like Ann Coulter are turning me off, then they are definitely turning off other members of my generation as well. She does appeal to the most extreme members of the Republican Party—but they are dying off, becoming less and less relevant to the party structure as a whole. I think most people my age are like me in that we all don’t believe in every single ideal of each party specifically. The GOP should be happy to have any young supporters whatsoever, even if they do digress some from traditional Republican thinking.

More so than my ideological differences with Ann Coulter, I don’t like her demeanor. I have never been a person who was attracted to hate or negativity. I don’t believe in scare tactics and would never condone or encourage anyone calling President Obama a Muslim. But controversy sells and Coulter is nothing if not controversial. Everything about her is extreme: her voice, her interview tactics, and especially the public statements she makes about liberals. Maybe her popularity stems from the fact that watching her is sometimes like watching a train wreck.


This is John McCain's daughter saying - more eloquently than I - the same things I've been saying. If the Republican party's direction is set by the extremists and radicals, it's not going to get near power.

I used to hang around with extremists. I know how commited they can get to the cause and the movement. They make great foot soldiers. Keep them happy. But don't let them have the keys to the truck, 'cause while they're driving into the bush they think they're blazing the trail.
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 3/10/2009 10:34:06 PM

Maybe her popularity stems from the fact that watching her is sometimes like watching a train wreck.


Gee Meghan, I felt the same watching your pop blow the election!!



If the Republican party's direction is set by the extremists and radicals, it's not going to get near power.


Why? Obama is an extremist and a radical, and yet, there he is---up the stage--reading the teleprompter--as our president. Looks to me like he's got it made. That must be why McCain lost, he wasn't extreme or radical enough. Or possibly, could it be, uhhh, I don't know, maybe he wasn't extreme enough for to motivate our side to vote for him.
Maybe that's why so republicans gravitated toward Barry. They actually wanted extreme radicalism. Maybe we better run Limbaugh out there next election.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 3/10/2009 10:46:27 PM
All McCain had to say was "if you elect me I will legalize pot" and McCain would be prez right now.

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