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 Cargy.
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would you advocate making the other two illegal? Just out of interest


Even as a regular smoker, I'd certainly like to see that made illegal. I really can't identify any benefits to the habit, and acknowledge it's a filthy addiction.

Not sure about alcohol. That would be a whole other debate. What is clear though, is that the problems associated with alcohol are real and can be seen every weekend (and other nights) in a town centre (or A&E unit) near you!
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 2/1/2009 11:42:03 PM
Where did I judge and discredit ALL posts? Ignorance hand in hand with arrogance? Curious now as to where that assumption comes from.. I merely pointed out that I was proven right with post 2.. I said that any anti drug poster would be on the end of accusations of high horse morals and close mindedness.. These accusations were forthcoming... The only judgement I made was against myself and the posting habits of certain others..

I have made no blanket judgements.. I have made no accusations against all marijuana users.. I just pointed out a trend ...

I have my opinions, I post based upon those... I am open to being educated and informed if I am incorrect but up til now there is very little here to change my opinion..
The majority of those posting pro marijuana comments have made assumptions about those who are anti.. They have accused them of hypocrisy, moralistic high handedness, close mindedness and ignorance .. Perhaps that is because the only pro users on here have a predisposition to making immediate personal assumptions.. But perhaps not.. That opinion is subjective to the reader..

I am not getting involved in a personal spat.. I still believe that it would make no difference to the Public Houses that are struggling already.. I still prefer the knowledge that drugs are illegal, I would like to see cigarettes subject to harsher laws.. I don't smoke, I don't want my children to smoke.. However smoking is legal therefor I have no say in the matter.. I deal with it as best as I can given the law's stance.. If marijuana becomes legal, then I shall have to deal with that also..

People have pointed out that smoking and alcohol are just as (if not more) harmful as careful marijuana use.. What then would be the point adding a third narcotic to the legal list of 'highs' when the users cannot be guaranteed keep their usage moderate?

I'm sorry, I may be a moralistic, hypocritical bore but I will stick to my guns.. I do not want to see marijuana on sale in Public houses... I respect those who have put their opinions across properly but get fed up of being told that because I disagree with them, I am the one who is uneducated/ ignorant/ moralistic ...
 stevencl
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Should pubs here in the UK be allowed to sell Marijuana ?
Posted: 2/1/2009 11:54:16 PM
Should pubs be allowed to sell it? NO, NO and again NO. I am a psychiatric nurse and most admissions to acute units are due to the use of illegal drugs including marijuana. Marijuana can cause paranoid delusions and schizophrenia amongst other mental illness and i've seen a lot of lives destroyed by it
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 2/2/2009 2:58:11 AM
^^ I have to admit, if there has to be a drug culture I would prefer that drugs were properly monitored, produced and checked..

Is there such a thing as a truly 'safe' drug?
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 2/2/2009 5:21:23 AM

question... if u had a doctor who u trusted and had been going to for years, then found out he smoked weed, would u change doctors


If he was stoned whilst treating me or my family then yes I'd change... I couldn't trust him to be fully aware, I'd be the same if I discovered my Dr drank whilst on duty..



question... if u employed a hot shot solicitor with a great reputation, but then found out he smoked weed, would u use someone with a worse rep


If he was stoned whilst representing me ( although I'd love to know the legal ramifications of a solicitor breaking the law?) then yes I would.. I'd be the same if I discovered he had a bottle of whisky in his drawer..



It's not solely the drug usage I would have qualms about, it would be how they affected the professional integrity of both people...
 Cargy.
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Posted: 2/4/2009 1:32:58 AM

Anyone watch horizons? Scientists have discovered a drug within cannabis called CBD that prevents psycosis.


Yeah, I watched it. They didn't say it prevented it, they said it was effective in reducing certain psychoses

It's only found in natural plants and, unfortunately, has been all but eliminated in genetically enhanced varieties in common use (e.g. skunk) to make room for extra THCs.
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 2/4/2009 4:17:36 AM
Ok Daftbat I can see how my post could be construed as such, it was not intended as a statement against all posts, more as a marker that a significant number of pro users consider anti drugs opinions to be uneducated, close minded and holier than thou. I stand by what I think but I concede that I may have not put it across very well..

I am not so pigheaded that I would never consider changing my opinion, I have just never seen anything to change it..

I've been around people who smoke pot (weed/ whatever) and I found them to be horrendous company, when stoned... Conversation was impossible, the smell was dreadful and the second hand smoke made me feel sick.. These same people were excellent company when sober.. I know you can make the same accusations about alcohol but I have never got drunk on the alcohol someone else has been drinking...

There was a significantly higher percentage of drop outs amongst the marijuana users at college also... Is that attributable solely to the smoking or not? I don't know but I do not want to risk my children becoming part of those statistics..

I'm sorry I am just never going to be happy with the idea of Marijuana being freely available..
 CK1708
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Posted: 3/15/2009 9:46:30 PM
On POF it says do you do drugs No, Socially or often(>3 times/week) so most people do lie, but it people have had Cannibis in the past you would, but No for that question, but I have smoked it in the past and enjoyed it too and it makes working in a job so must better, and I've mixed Cannibis and alcohol together lots of times
 PortadownGuy
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Posted: 3/18/2009 5:56:06 PM
Interesting thread - as for the original question, I don't think mixing alcohol and marijuana is a solid idea. In my experience, I can only handle both when starting them at the same time - I couldn't take a few drinks then have a smoke otherwise I would feel a bit queesy. However the coffee shop idea as operated in the Netherlands should be open for discussion. I won't rehash the arguments already posted but from a financial perspective it would be a huge cash cow for the country both in terms of taxable revenue but also the 'weed tourism'. In the current economic climate this would provide relief for many people in the form of entrepreneurial and employment opportunities.

I would welcome a legalisation of weed for reasons of health and conscious. The health reason is because I would be more accepting of it being grown and processed in a legitimate standard without added chemicals. On conscious reasons I would much rather buy it from a licensed establishment even if it were more expensive than criminal methods. Some of the shady characters I have dealt with in the past have been scummy and would always prefer to stay well away from them but I had no other method of obtaining weed.

I don't expect it to be a serious proposition though for many generations to come. This thread already has shown that many people are almost programmed to automatically come to the conclusion that drugs are bad without even looking objectively at it so the politicians would never run with it for fear of not being re-elected. The UK and Ireland has a world renowned drinking culture that somehow people derive pride from and get incredibly defensive when it's qualities are questioned. Just look at the recent proposal for setting a minimum price limit for a unit of alcohol - Gordon Brown realised it would be political suicide (the noose is almost ready anyway). On one hand they are trying to appear to be actively involved in solving the problem when they couldn't really be bothered in the first place. The first step to cutting problematic alcohol consumption is to enforce the current laws and also to remove all advertising and promotions.

I have struggled to analyse whether it is a gateway drug or not. I have taken hard drugs but my first drug was alcohol then tobacco then weed and so on. Using that logic, alcohol was my gateway drug, weed was only the illicit gateway drug. I mainly progressed through these out of a sense of adventure, discovery and experimentation. Maybe they say weed is a gateway drug because of the dogmatic 'just say no' and the like campaigns which paint it as Satan reincarnated however when people realise there isn't much wrong with it they check out what else people lambast.

I personally have used it for quite a few years and in that period have graduated from university and have landed a job that I really wanted. As stated before, the key is the users personality and the quantity and frequency of use, some people have an addictive and psychotic personality as standard so would fail using any substance. I for one find weed a very personal experience and enjoy it best in the company of close friends or by myself....the only person that will take that away from me is myself.
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