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 Samhein
Joined: 4/21/2008
Msg: 69
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.. and btw, I'm not speaking of everyone. Just those who posted as such.
 tall.cold.1
Joined: 10/18/2006
Msg: 70
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:35:06 AM
No, not all forms of Paganism are alike. I'm on a Druidic path in ADF, the organization Isaac Bonewits founded 25 years ago. In a lot of ways it's more similar to Asatru and other forms of Heathenism. Scholarship is quite important in ADF. We have 9 virtues. We're required to study an Indo-European culture and language. We don't cast circles. I feel more at home in ADF than in Wicca because the former is much closer to how I came to Paganism in the first place.

Yes, there are initiated British Traditional Wiccans (Gardnerians, Alexandrians) who deplore eclectic modern forms of Wicca. In ADF books by DJ Conway ("Celtic Magic", "Norse Magic", etc.) are not recommended because her scholarship is shoddy at best. Same with Ed Fitch and "Rites of Odin"; also, Douglas Monroe and "The 21 Lessons of Merlin", which Isaac Bonewits refers to as "The 21 Lessons of Hogwash". I read Sirona Knight's "Exploring Celtic Druidism" and the practice outlined in that book is more Wiccan than Druidic. Take a look at authors writing books on non-Wiccan forms of Paganism. Are they primarily a Wiccan author? Is the publisher Llewellyn? If the answer is yes to both questions, then the book should be avoided for the most part.

I don't have anything against anybody who wishes to practice an eclectic form of Wicca. The danger comes when those practitioners claim their tradition has been around for thousands of years and make other fallacious historical claims. One Llewellyn author even claimed that the word "Wicca" was Latin in origin. Any linguist worth their salt would know it's Anglo-Saxon. The letter "w" wasn't part of the Latin alphabet; it's not part of the Irish Gaelic alphabet, even though "w" abounds in the Welsh language. There are elements in Wicca which do have roots in pre-Christian Europe, but no, circle casting, calling the watchtowers, etc. aren't among them. Greece and Rome had mystery religions. Romans offered cakes and wine to their gods; sometimes they even offered up animal sacrifices, a famous example being the suovetaurilia. According to Miranda Green's "The World of the Druids", ancient Celts used to use cords in ritual.

As for Heathenism not being Earth- or Goddess-based, it's not as much as Wicca. However, Tacitus in "Germania" did indicate the ancient Germans had an Earth Goddess known as Nerthus. And Freyja was an important goddess for the Norse. Her female Valkyries were the ones who took slain warriors to Valhalla. So to say that Heathenism doesn't revere the feminine would be absurd. On the other hand, even though there are a lot of women in both Heathenism and ADF Druidry, we don't hand over all the power to any one female authority figure either.
 Samhein
Joined: 4/21/2008
Msg: 71
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/11/2008 4:51:12 AM

As for Heathenism not being Earth- or Goddess-based, it's not as much as Wicca. However, Tacitus in "Germania" did indicate the ancient Germans had an Earth Goddess known as Nerthus. And Freyja was an important goddess for the Norse. Her female Valkyries were the ones who took slain warriors to Valhalla. So to say that Heathenism doesn't revere the feminine would be absurd. On the other hand, even though there are a lot of women in both Heathenism and ADF Druidry, we don't hand over all the power to any one female authority figure either.


Yes, but having a goddess thought to 'represent' the Earth is not the same as an 'Earth-based' religion, especially when one considers how great the family of the Asa and Van are in terms of numbers. If you wanted to attempt to boil Asatru down to a theme, it would be a 'tribe-based' religion, since all things which it holds dear revolve around the familial unit and its relation to the immediate families around it, and to those who've gone before, in a sense.

And I certainly didn't say we don't revere the female; I said we are not a Goddess-based religion as was implied in the broad stroke. We don't call Christianity a male-based religion just because Jesus was a guy. There are many other reasons to say that about it.
 Enigma252
Joined: 3/1/2008
Msg: 72
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/11/2008 7:16:35 AM
Samhein, I think that higher forces chose some of us either by blood line or past life time efforts. People who are naturals have their own spirit guides that they were born with. I really doesn't matter what "label" of religion you want to put on it. It's about "are you doing 'The Work'".
 Samhein
Joined: 4/21/2008
Msg: 73
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:15:28 PM

Samhein, I think that higher forces chose some of us either by blood line or past life time efforts. People who are naturals have their own spirit guides that they were born with. I really doesn't matter what "label" of religion you want to put on it. It's about "are you doing 'The Work'".


But Enigma, I agree with you completely. Did I appear not to?
 Mystral13
Joined: 12/29/2007
Msg: 74
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:16:12 AM

think it depends on the individual i am a pagan, i call myself pagan, but i know others who dont like the term pagan, so they call themselves wiccans, yet we both follow the same religion and the same practices

I had this discussion recently with my Pagan group of friends.... and I think many people don't realize that there is a difference. The terms Pagan and Wiccan are NOT interchangeable. If you are Wiccan, yes you are Pagan.... but if you are Pagan, that does not mean you are Wiccan. Just like if you are Catholic, you are Christian... but I don't think all Christians would appreciate being called Catholic.

Wiccan is just one form of Paganism.... and I think that is what Samhein was trying to point out. I follow more of a Buddhist path than anything - and that is definitely not Wiccan..... for beginners, I don't follow any of the rituals that are associated with Wicca. I also have a lot of earth-based beliefs, but they are not associated with the goddess path. I agree that most Pagans - no matter the denomination, are peace loving people ..... no wonder it is a growing belief system.
 JMars
Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 75
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:34:03 PM

Wiccan is just one form of Paganism.... and I think that is what Samhein was trying to point out.


Actually, speaking as someone that has had a fair amount of contact with Theodish folk in the past, I'm pretty sure that what Samhein was trying to point out is that there are poignant differences in the various belief sets commonly refered to as "pagan"... differences as great as those found between the various cultures and languages of man.

Even as an umbrella term "pagan" is not equivalent to "Christian" or even "Abrahamic", with various denominations all stemming from a common set of scriptures, beliefs, practices, and prophets.
 walking the lake
Joined: 4/30/2008
Msg: 76
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:45:46 PM
I am a village wise woman as my sister in England is too. No need for this new age stuff... too over the edge. ..later...mea culpa..
 Alizure
Joined: 7/30/2008
Msg: 77
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 8/4/2008 7:38:26 AM
I have been practicing since I was a child. I am 35 now.. my husband is 30 he's been in paganism since he was about 11 years old.
yes its good to see others like me. I was hopeing to accomplish some kind of gathering around in my area.. which is HARD as hell because I live in a TINY town in NW alabama.
I have always seen spirits.. always spoke to them.. I have been correct on helping others when they show me pictures of loved ones.. I do tarot readings.. and psychic readings to. I do it to help others. Because usually the ones who come to me REALLY need help. and they think their either going crazy from the things that they have seen... or they have nowhere else to turn to.. because noone else beleives them.

I guess I could say I really enjoy helping others find their way. Because we all walk the path of a human being.... and we all on t hat path run into others along the way. Some stays with us throughout the whole journey... some only stays alittle while..
either way we all are connected.
 Alizure
Joined: 7/30/2008
Msg: 78
American Indian Ways and lumping tribes together with Shamans
Posted: 8/4/2008 7:46:49 AM
That is because in native terms to call ones self a shaman.. is BAD. I am cherokee.
They NEVER call themselves shaman. Because they always taught me.... if you advertise yourself as such.. its like blasphmey. Never say what you are... if others want to call you a certain label.. thats them. But you yourself should never do such things. Always let your actions speak for you. As long as its for the good of the people.. you wont have to call yourself anything. it just shows through.

New age folks.. shouldnt call themselves that either. they should just be Themselves.. without any labels. Becasue it just sounds like they want others to notice them... and see what they are doing.. at least the ones I know do that. And its very VERY sad.
My husband and I both have gifts when others try to label us.. we just smile and say "nah.. im not anything like that... im just me"

The only thing I tell people if im asked.. is im pagan but not wiccan. thats about it lol.
 vickinm
Joined: 7/7/2008
Msg: 79
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 8/16/2008 9:23:00 AM
It is nice to see other Pagans online. I have just recently started studying and in the process of finding my way. I believe I have been Pagan all of my life, but just now figuring it out. I haven't been able to find a group, but still looking. Traditional, organized religion has always left me lacking. Though I am very grounded in what I believe, I need a way to practice it that leaves me feeling conected and in touch with my god, myself, and my surroundings. I will continue to study and practice on my own and maybe I will eventually find some company.
 Diva_31
Joined: 6/24/2008
Msg: 80
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 8/25/2008 9:05:09 AM
I do practice Shamanism, but do not consider myself a Shaman. To me, a Shaman is the healer, the leader of the community...I am neither. I attend the drumming circles and journey with others.

I combine aspects of different religions, and follow a private spirituality as opposed to believing in one deity or one religion. I have varied beliefs, that do not fall under an organized religion or faith.

I believe in nature and power animals. Coyote is one that has appeared in many dreams and visions as of late...I saw Coyote running across the high way on a camping trip just before we almost hit a moose. Came close but at last minute the moose ran away after we slammed on the horn. :)

And for the record "new age" nope...Shamanism has been around 30,000 or more years...definitely not new age. Wicca, has been around a long time too. So nope, very "old age" here.
 Soul2Lunch
Joined: 7/12/2008
Msg: 81
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 9/1/2008 6:27:04 PM
Whoa I'm glad I ran across finally a good group of folks... must talk when I get a chancetonight....
 SMUCKY-TALLICA!!!!!
Joined: 8/23/2008
Msg: 82
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!
Posted: 9/17/2008 2:22:34 PM
stick to your authentic - culture specific belief systems!

Damn right! Pagans rock - thanks for X-man and Easter.

I see that there is a returning to the cult of Wotan happening in Germany - rock on Nordic tribes!
 Tisha Mc
Joined: 9/7/2008
Msg: 83
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 10/4/2008 1:53:57 AM
I'm neither Wiccan nor Pagan, but I'm curious. Would anybody be willing to message me and explain what exactly the beliefs are for these groups.
 trimostai
Joined: 9/22/2009
Msg: 84
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 3/25/2010 4:48:21 PM
I have never felt more comfortable in any other religion other than in Paganism/Wiccanism. The thing, now is finding someone on here that is just like me... or rather closer in personality. I have gotten so many messages from Baptists, Christians, Catholics, etc. Not that I have any problem with them but I really don't see a relationship beyond friendship forming there.
 WereJaguar
Joined: 3/26/2009
Msg: 85
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/25/2010 10:52:17 AM
I wish that I could get my hands on a copy of "Aradia" by Charles Godfrey Leland. It sounds like a cool book. Aradia influenced Gerald Gardner and Doreen Valiente but then again Aleister Crowley influenced them too.
 Dazzling Girl
Joined: 7/8/2008
Msg: 86
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Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/29/2010 9:51:18 PM
Wow--nice to see so many on here!

Pagan myself, interested in Wicca, can't seem to focus on it long enough...*grin*

I find tools useful for certain things, but honestly, the time I most feel connected to the goddess is when I take my evening 3-mile walk and feel the wind on my face. Simple things, I suppose.
 JnJon
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 87
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 5/28/2011 10:39:34 AM


Wow--nice to see so many on here!

Pagan myself, interested in Wicca, can't seem to focus on it long enough...*grin*

I find tools useful for certain things, but honestly, the time I most feel connected to the goddess is when I take my evening 3-mile walk and feel the wind on my face. Simple things, I suppose.


there is no need to try and rush at practicing your craft.
 worldtraveller74
Joined: 5/10/2011
Msg: 88
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 7/9/2011 12:38:04 PM
Whilst I am a die hard athiest, I do heavily appreciate and support your efforts. I hope more of you come forward and help erode the idea that the abrahamic religions are all there is.
 Ravenstar66
Joined: 8/27/2007
Msg: 89
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Posted: 8/23/2011 12:04:57 PM
Bumping this to draw out the pagans... again You have to be here somewhere

Although I'm very comfortable with solitude, and I do have a pagan friend or two in my area, community is the hardest thing about being pagan. We are just so spread out... and some of us still in the broom closet.

Forget dating lol finding pagan men is like trying to win the lottery

just joking.. sort of

Namasté
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 90
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 8/27/2011 9:46:15 PM
Is soilidly out of the broom closet, here!
 Ravenstar66
Joined: 8/27/2007
Msg: 91
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Posted: 8/28/2011 8:11:35 AM
awesome!

It's a tough step.. was for me anyway

:)
 LennyPane
Joined: 2/2/2011
Msg: 92
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Posted: 7/25/2012 9:12:53 PM
PakanaHerruus: do you listen to burzum?
 Cotillion89
Joined: 7/28/2012
Msg: 93
Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 8/4/2012 1:42:54 AM
I am fairly new to wicca , i read a boo by scott cunningham and it helped me realize that most of the beliefs i stumbled upon by myself where pagan, i would love to learn more but so many sites are fwrong can anyone point me in the right direction to further my learning
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