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 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
Msg: 40
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This is the way I see things too twilight..

I have repaired dozens of poor peoples cars , vans , and trucks as well as their chainsaws and lawn mowers .
I have given money , food and wood to those in need even though I am not rich .
When I help my neighbors and friends to be more prosperous, I am also helping my community.

If everyone helped the people around them, we would all be better off.

Let those people in other countries learn to help not only themselves, but help those next to them as well.

Until they decide to do this, anything anyone gives them will be like throwing gasoline on a fire.
It's like giving money to a crack head.
The problem will only get worse.
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 43
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/7/2009 5:37:27 AM

sorry but we should worry about the homefront before we start to worry about the starving people elsewhere.

"give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, he's fed for life"


Is there something wrong in carring about both Hunger at home and the Hunger of others?

I too believe in teaching a man to fish...but what happens when the lake dries up and the fish are scarce and the people are hungry...you just gonna give them a new top water lure?
 liljester
Joined: 11/3/2008
Msg: 44
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Posted: 3/7/2009 7:44:21 AM
OP, not reading through this whole thread, so if someone else already mentioned this, forgive me for the duplication.
The way I see it, a lot of those starving kids are born to basically animalistic parents, since they just couldn't keep it in their pants, knowing they had no birth control and couldn't feed any kid that would result. I have NO sympathy for "parents" like this no matter where they are from (yeah, got a lot of home grown ones). But, this is a problem they create out of a simple lack of self control, same as the obese. Nope, no sympathy at all.
Now, as far as the kids go, sure, I wish I could save every single one. Give them all full bellies, and a cozy bed to snuggle up in after story time. But I can't. Those "parents" just keep pumping more out too fast!
I say IF any foreign aid is going to be sent to these countries, make is something that would only benefit the kids, and make the parents WORK FOR IT. Get them out there digging fields and irrigation etc. Don't just hand them the money, and sure as heck don't be feeding them, let them feed themselves.
As far as the US jumping in and sending any aid, we don't have it. Didn't you hear about the recession, deficit, any of that? Right now we are so tapped that we should be feeding our own, and really don't have that much left over. Makes me sick the way the govt will just stockpile food and let it go bad instead of releasing it to all the food banks. How about pres hussein work on that one alone? Ass wipe won't, because he doesn't care about this country. Just putting us further in debt, so the other countries should be pissed off at him as well. Can't milk a dry cow now can ya'?
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 45
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/7/2009 8:13:23 AM
OP~
Elton John supposedly spends $2 million dollars/month on...crap! He spends around $250,000/month on flowers! At $32 per child he could support 62,500 starving kids per month!


Im not a big fan of Trickle down economics...but thats how our economy fuctions in a way...You may feel Elton John is spending his money on crap, but there is a human side to those sales. Someone has to make the stuff John is buying...so everyone gets a piece of the pie...The company and the employees that sold John the Item, the company and the emplyees the Manufactured the item get their cut...and the compay and its employees that furnished the raw materials to maker the item get their cut...and so on, and so on. Not to speak of all the side business that cater to the workers and employees...the money moves throught the system supporting many working people...not to mention the taxes everyone is paying on their earnings and purchases help local goverments pay for Libriaries, Cops and Fire protection...Street and Drainage, Parks...

So you see One man Crap is another man's Livelyhood.
 liljester
Joined: 11/3/2008
Msg: 46
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/7/2009 8:39:16 AM
SAguy, even those Starbucks coffee drinks are a simplistic example. No reason a cup of coffee should cost $5, but those that drink it don't even see it as the excess that it is, and are keeping the Starbucks employees employed. Yeah, I know, they are cutting back and not doing very well now, but it was just for a simplistic example. Those $5 cups of coffee are frivilous and all, just like Elton's flowers.
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 47
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/7/2009 8:54:12 AM
Hey liljester...maybe.

but my point is that the money isnt going down some rabbit hole never to be seen again...I was trying to point out that by elton spening money...that money goes down the line in one form or another to keep people at work.

even the $5 buck coffee helps alot of people...just look at the cup itself...how many workers down the line did it take to produce that cup from the raw materials stage till the delivery at *bucks for use... just think about how many different people had a hand in making that cup.
 moneyforyou
Joined: 1/26/2009
Msg: 49
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/7/2009 9:44:24 AM
OP, of course most humans are greedy and thoughtless

is this REALLY 'news' to you?
 moneyforyou
Joined: 1/26/2009
Msg: 51
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/7/2009 9:55:12 AM
^^

yeah, the problem is the disparity in where the kids are being born, and not

the people who can AFFORD to actually feed and raise kids, are not having them.

the ones that are already starving or next to it, pop them out like rabbits

people in the developed world, North America, and esp. Europe, are the ones not having kids

countries like Germany have negative net population growth , even with some immigration,

more people are dying each year than are being born there and in other European countries

meanwhile in drought-stricken hellholes of Africa and the poorest Asian countries, plenty of families have 10-15 or more kids, so maybe they will starve too..or make war agaisn the richer countries

why they do this? I dunno, maybe hoping SOME of their kids will be able to support them

or, very few entertainment options- no TV, internet, etc. ..just have sex

can't afford condoms, or think it's wrong to use them ?

so eventually if things don't change Europe will die off..maybe N. America too

while the poorest hellholes of Africa will have billions of people
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
Msg: 52
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Posted: 3/8/2009 9:50:46 AM
The basic reason for most of those starving people is politics. The starving ones, as a whole, are helpless pawns between those who are in power and those who want to be in power.

Until that equation changes, 95% of the funds spent to feed them will be embezzled, misappropriated, redirected and wasted. That doesn't mean we should stop sending aid. Some actually does trickle through.

I think if someone was really serious about feeding the hungry they'd buy a fleet of C-130s and arrange to airdrop food and medicine packets directly where it's needed- legally or not.

That concept could work here, too. It may come to that in some parts of the country.
 EmbraceHug
Joined: 2/18/2009
Msg: 53
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/8/2009 2:45:08 PM
Msg 56. What makes Africa a hellhole? You have been all that continent I take it?
 rossomycoo
Joined: 8/29/2008
Msg: 54
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Posted: 3/9/2009 8:21:38 PM
Maybe they should legalize and promote Abortion in those countries too! It seems to help kwell the starving children issue in the U.S.
 liljester
Joined: 11/3/2008
Msg: 56
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/10/2009 10:45:49 AM
SAguy_06, um, I think we agree and are just saying it in a different way, and that is causing the confusion. Not sure, but that is what it seems to me.

Thunderscribe, "I've been to Africa.
Volunteer work.
Yes, many parts of it are hellish."
I can back and agree with what you say about Africa, with exception to the volunteering. Had to pay me a lot to keep me there for a minute, much less any longer.
 moneyforyou
Joined: 1/26/2009
Msg: 58
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/10/2009 1:11:42 PM
^^

yes I have also seen farmers harvest part of their crop (what their contract was for)- often about 1/2 of what's in the field, then let the remaining part rot in place.

you'd almost think they could let a homeless shelter harvest it.

too worried it might depress prices though I suppose.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 59
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Posted: 3/11/2009 9:49:45 AM
While people in other countries are starving situations like this are becoming more and more prevalent in the US. With the rising unemployment and underemployment more and more Americans are finding that they cannot afford food and/or shelter:

1,600 families seek food handouts in Indiana city

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1 hr 25 mins ago

ELKHART, Ind. – Roughly 1,600 familes picked up food and other items sent by a charity to economically distressed Elkhart, Ind., which has an unemployment rate of 18.3 percent.

The 13 semitrailers that came to Elkhart carried more than $2.1 million worth of food, enough to help sustain about 5,200 families for a week. In addition to those who picked up supplies Tuesday, Feed the Children arranged for shipments to 3,600 northern Indiana families.

President Barack Obama visited Elkhart recently to muster public support for economic stimulus legislation. Layoffs in the recreational vehicle industry have driven much of the job loss in northern Indiana.

"What we want people to know is that in this time of despair, there is hope," said Larry Jones, the founder and president of Feed the Children. "People haven't forgotten you."

About 300 volunteers handed out the supply packages as hundreds of cars waited in a line wrapped around a shopping mall parking lot and onto surrounding roads. The city was the second of several cities on Feed the Children's "Americans Feeding Americans Emergency Caravan."

"It's been a struggle," said Patricia Smith, of Elkhart, who waited more than an hour to get her supplies, which came in a box containing macaroni and cheese, canned goods, toilet paper and other items. "We're surviving and we're going to make it through this."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_re_us/elkhart_food

This money for bailouts needs to be going directly back to the people so that the economy will be stimulated, employer's will need employees once again, and business will be booming.
 liljester
Joined: 11/3/2008
Msg: 60
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/12/2009 8:02:19 AM
This is a lot more prevalent than most seem to realize. Always makes me wonder why anyone would think that the kids starving in some other country deserve food more than the ones we gave birth to.
 moneyforyou
Joined: 1/26/2009
Msg: 61
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/12/2009 10:20:35 AM

What makes Africa a hellhole? You have been all that continent I take it?


I believe I actually said "THE hellholes of Africa", not that the entire continent is one..there all hellholes on other continents of course

just seem to be more of them , cover more of Africa..
 liljester
Joined: 11/3/2008
Msg: 65
world-wide hunger
Posted: 3/26/2009 6:08:19 AM
Sorry, but I have to disagree when people make blanket statements about just about anything, and implying all Americans are spoiled is totally off. Why is it that people always forget that the kids live at the level determined by the parents? And some parents just plain suck. Others aren't doing that well either. People ARE being tossed out of their homes these days, only big business gets bailed out, not PEOPLE. That BS plan/stimulus of hussein's sure isn't going to do ANYTHING for the victims that were already put on the streets, and yeah, their kids went too.

Again, will never understand why anyone thinks that kids in other countries need to eat more than our own. Never understand how people can be so ignorant to constantly forget that our kids are the most victimized and impoverished group in the country. Sending food to other countries, to me, is the equivalent of feeding the kids next door, while mine starves.
 torgo70
Joined: 6/14/2008
Msg: 66
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Posted: 3/26/2009 8:56:27 AM

Since Vietnam, there has been homeless


Since Vietnam? There has been homeless long(decades) before that.
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